Sepultura - Landgraaf 27.05.1996 "Pinkpop Festival" (TV) Live & Interview

[@andersonjulio9253]

00:00 - Attitude 03:52 - Dusted 08:04 - Straighthate 13:30 - Arise 14:55 - Dead Embryonic Cells 17:44 - Orgasmatron (Cuts In) 20:11 - Interview

[@HenriqueFrederico]

00:00 - Attitude 03:52 - Dusted 08:04 - Straighthate 13:30 - Arise 14:55 - Dead Embryonic Cells 17:44 - Orgasmatron (Cuts In) 20:11 - Interview

[@elalquimista3256]

Gracias por el setlist

[@paweszkudlarek7346]

Dzięki

[@maidenlord6663]

the real Sepultura the cavalera Sepultura

[@上田Uえだ]

ALIGATOU! ありがとう！ Thanks! from Japan!

[@seanclark4149]

Lol

[@markin_]

'96 is the year Andreas stopped aging.

[@DanielGGava]

hahahaahahah

[@markin_]

@@DanielGGava né não? Kkkkk

[@gcervatti]

Caralho Andreas é eterno

[@marcoantoniopereira3536]

nao fica véio mesmo

[@andreeudes3422]

Andreas vulgo: alemão hahahaha

[@jameschocolateshow]

Quem esta escutando em 2020 ate 3030 da 1 like. Viva Sepultura

[@perepomes763]

Roots! Raices!!! Arrels!!!! Escoltant ara mateix . Respect from Catalunya.

[@gamezera]

eu

[@miguelreul1463]

Eu

[@patrickdias9534]

Tô ouvindo agora e batendo cabeça na cozinha

[@rodrigomamedio4940]

22/02/2020 em pleno carnaval eu escutando aqui roots bloody forever

[@WhirlwindDrums]

No disrespect to the current sepultura lineup (who are awesome in their own way) But this is the REAL Sepultura

[@billyaubin5360]

The new Sepultura is not good. At all.

[@kzshrr]

Honestly the new one sucks! They died after Igor left in '06

[@sepasoulfly3725]

@⭐Heather⭐ fuck the new sepultura and fuck greedy kisser and his fuckin greedy wife!!!!!! if not them max would stay

[@agentjohnson3973]

Roots is when sepultura started their down hill decline

[@mr.blonde66milkyway66]

*Territorial Passings* predicting the future

[@lasfzeppelin5344]

El monstruo brasileiro!!!! Grande Brasil y saludos desde México

[@AndreSouza-fg8kx]

Saludo usted del Brasil

[@jacksonsakamoto6739]

Hermanos ✌️

[@adrianobassgarra]

Hoje o Brasil está um lixo. Muito ruim na música.

[@charleskluivert1813]

🇧🇷🤘🏻🇲🇽

[@claranancyquinterocalderon2954]

Los amó, sepultura lo mejor, saludos desde colombia

[@pedrometal1597]

En esa época sepultura destrozaba todo a la altura de los más grandes sepultura orgullo latinoamericano

[@senhorxsilva149]

Pedro saludo de Brasil , hermano 🤘

[@marciocoelho2481]

Hablas la verdad, amigo. Saludos de Brasil.

[@tonyhdezrios271]

Max & Igor "En Forma" × Andreas Parece Que No Pasan Los Años

[@walterschiavoni5304]

Cambiaron para sobrevivir... Igual siempre hicieron gran música

[@gcervatti]

Puta madre mi hermano que verdade.

[@AydenHaggarty-vc1hg]

This is amazing I had no idea Sepultura was this huge band, it's almost insane how little credit they get for how much influence they seem to have

[@danielhays608]

Sepultura was the biggest band in the world man, they were bigger than Metallica. Ask anyone who who was really paying attention back then.

[@kabokatila6440]

Youre birthday about 2007? 😂

[@maxsyruj5872]

Sepultura was bigger than Metallica in Europe in 90s. Then media shut them down. Google why my friend.

[@emobombz]

@@maxsyruj5872I couldn’t find anything in specific. Why exactly or what to search? Their fame should’ve just kept increasing IMO.

[@carlostorres1437]

Brutal sound of the mighty Sepultura.

[@kotoom1]

The whole fkn drum set is shaking when Igor is playing. What a BEAST!

[@andymason1840]

The best live line up ever-, saw them in the same year. Completely blew me away

[@JoaoGabriel-gw9bc]

Sepultura ao vivo com duas guitarras é outro nível 🤘🏾

[@edsonmartins2240]

Verdade , quase um death !

[@edsonmartins2240]

Igor , máquina!

[@gabrielcampos9413]

Guitarra do Max faz muita falta!

[@andersonmacedo9164]

Se eles colocassem um cara pra fazer a guitarra base, não iria fazer diferença, pois a falta é o Max. Mas, apesar de eu achar essa fase foda, a atual tbm é massa. O sepultura lançou excelentes discos com o Derrick. Eu diria até melhores, tecnicamente e conceitualmente falando.

[@pauloborges8055]

@@andersonmacedo9164só dois títulos “Arise” e “Chaos Ad”……… nem antes nem depois !!!!!!

[@saidrumkel2407]

Thanks SEPULTURA for making a great concert in Indonesia in 1992....

[@subuwil]

Una de las mejor bandas latinoamerica Sepultura quien lo escucha 12 de septiembre 2020🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟

[@gothysub]

This is Sepultura!

[@ВладимирКотенко-ч9в]

Слушаю сепултуру лет с 11. Сейчас мне 37. 2022г. Слушаю кайфую.

[@PritishA82]

Was listening to it and was vetting an Agreement. (office work_from home, during Covid19 lockdown) Simply Awesome........ Peace and Lots of Love from Mumbai, India.

[@sundaywalker2698]

12:44 WTF.....They dont know yet. One of the best of many best metal gigs in history. And its last one... No more Pantera in Moscow. No more Sepultura in Holland. Nothing left....

[@DaniloSantos-ww2gi]

Todos no auge, isso é legado! Foda, sepultura é pra sempre. Eu vivi essa época, eu sei o que era a energia dos caras juntos.melhor banda dos anos 90 !!!

[@juniorpontes4620]

- Maximiliano Cavalera - Igor Cavalera - Andreas Kisser - Paulo Xisto Jr. - Simply True Sepultura 🎵🎼🎶🎤🎸💪😎👊 - Hail From Brazil - We Are Together 🎸💪😎👊

[@Bafodecabra]

Tem como o cara ficar parada com um som desse não. Sepultura era pura energia.

[@rogermozart1313]

12:36 Iggor monstro 🤘🤘🤘

[@stevenbailey925]

Saw them at first Ozzfest 1996 with Danzig, Type o Negative, Fear Factory, Slayer then Ozzy. Dream show for my first "real" concert. Many more after. Cavaleras rule metal!!

[@TheMohamadaliimron]

This is golden era Sepultura band...Max,Igor,Andreas,Paulo Jr ❤

[@markpate9519]

No doubt.i never listened to sepultura after max left

[@HC-X]

Como dizia no Rap do Thaide ... Que tempo bom que que não volta nunca mais.

[@nanos1260]

En esos años que reinaban Sepultura y Pantera,ambas formaciones con hermanos al frente. Orgullo sudamericano.

[@hoppersdoppers]

What a band. Saw them on this tour in Newport and donington a couple of years before. Max looks so young here. So glad I saw this tour. Amazing before the split. So sad but hey... That's life

[@enoquesb]

Sepultura de hoje tem músicos foda mas não assusta nem criancinhas. Esse é o verdadeiro Sepultura e sempre será esse.

[@Ameer-xy5ng]

When i first heard sepultura..i said to my self im so lucky to be born that time..still to this day i bang my head sometimes..

[@1998gst4611]

now you're head is broken! LOL!

[@anthonyblack3579]

I heard a high school mate playing Chaos and instantly started banging. Then came Roots... Now the doctor says I have a neck of a hundred year old arthritis patient.

[@paulpv7]

Probably the heaviest band to ever play the mainstage in 40 years pinkpop

[@armdrk3233]

Yes,and I think the second heaviest band played there is System of a Down.

[@kimasailo6629]

Igor's drumming always great

[@Rhenzribeiro]

Yes

[@diablodiablodiablo3827]

Brutal

[@rafa_sousa]

Beast

[@hansphurz9411]

Igor's drumming WAS great! Back in the days!

[@Nissardpertugiu]

@@hansphurz9411 He still great i think

[@michaelpereira1009]

Essa formaçao sim era monstruosa...os cara estavam no auge do bagulho...sepultura no cenario do metal global tava moendo bonito colocava muita banda fudida no chão...PQP da até vontade de chora 😕

[@rafaelmiranda147]

Foda! os caras rebentavam juntos...mas justamente na tour do Roots que o max ficou um cuzao e sabotou tudo. Foda.

[@felipemelo285]

Rafael Miranda o sucesso subiu a cabeça, botou tudo a perder.

[@galosniper7010]

@@rafaelmiranda147 eu discordo, o Max teve toda razão pra sair, cada um seguiu seu caminho, foi isso, e no fim, ganhamos duas bandas, Sepultura e Soulfly

[@xalabadai]

Funkeiro de meeeerda

[@mrcubitcho4586]

@@galosniper7010 3. Sepuultura, Soufly e Cavalera Conspiracy

[@funtimes5414]

Amazing. Tremendous instrumentals. Sounds better than most studio albums

[@vaughnmild4467]

Goddamn! They were something special

[@rickgamber8882]

Igor is a monster back there. Saw these guys open for Ozzy years ago, and they blew me away. Great band!

[@gfgranja]

14:57 best breakdown in metal history

[@jacksaw7664]

they looks like a gay

[@RibeiroGames12]

Nem de longe

[@gfgranja]

@@RibeiroGames12 My opinion..

[@mrpskane]

Um dos melhores!

[@ludrummerable]

A melhor de todas sim!

[@andrzejrogala1835]

Good luck ! I'm from Poland! Superos SEPUL TURA!

[@gavj10]

Sepultura fantástico! Que saudades da década de 90!

[@mrymex]

i really luv this max cavelara sound . he's truly legend.

[@ributhartata4172]

That's a concert bro .... No camera ... no hp ... just head banger ... 🤘

[@ПавелНиконов-к6ю]

Это просто бомба не зря я всю жизнь слушаю это. Я стал тем кто я есть благодаря Сепультуре. И не жалею об этом. Спустя столько лет я смотрю это и понимаю как они ещё тогда укрепили мой мозг.

[@GiotheGhreat]

I think these were the last days of Sepultura as a band, the tension while they were playing and the separate interview. It really sucks how they split.

[@NWOWCW4Life1]

It really does suck how Max and Andreas alongside Paulo and Igor separated. Now it just seems like both Max and Igor want to take shots at their former band mate and Green also and while yes, Andreas isn’t exactly that innocent, it’s just sad. Then again, I wonder if Max would of ever stayed had personal tragedy not gotten to him. Looks like they were at the end of the rope around 1996.

[@adamgolding5790]

Yes it's evident in their energy here.. interstingly Max even credits Andreas as writing some of the tracks and lyrics :/

[@deuseomaioral]

Sepultura from Brazil !!!

[@jiesus2596]

I see where Billie Eilish got her fashion from.

[@iggmeister4137]

Hehehe

[@jimbosr.7777]

she wears what they make her she has no choice with what she does with her life haha shit would suck

[@yellowlightingbolt]

Don't even mention that manufactured puppet in a Sepultura video is almost sacrilegious.

[@SuperCosty2010]

Billy who?

[@Drugaddict22]

Billie Eilish is a overrated cunt,get that shit out of here.

[@kawythowy867]

56 years old and a metal fan. And I just found Sepultura…..YES! Man I thought Panera was hard and they are. But this bans equals there rage and intensity. Wow. 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼wish Maxx was still there ,what a voice! Seems he does it so effortlessly.

[@RayW....]

Love that interview. I've never heard Max speak before. He's a badass...

[@EduardoAllgayer]

Cara, eu vi Sepultura abrir show pro Ramones em Porto Alegre. Depois vi eles com o Derek abrindo show do Metallica. A diferença é muita, saudades da época do Max.

[@marcosmaia8230]

Ainds tem animal que gosta do derrick verde , eu ainda prefiro com max apesar das perdas dos vocais de max

[@robteka]

Cara, mas aquela abertura pro Metallica foi ruim, som tava ruim...já vi shows com Derrick tão bons ou até melhores do que alguns com o Max. Já vi mais de 30 shows da banda e aquele do Metallica foi o pior.

[@yojimbo8550]

Era pra ter metido o pé naquele derrick lá em 2003, 2004, que tava na cara que era limitado, e chamado o Marcus do Claustrofobia ou o Vitor do Torture Squad que cantavam muito mais

[@marcosmaia8230]

@@yojimbo8550 exatamente irmão isso mesmo eu ainda prefiro o vir o Rodrigues o cara é foda É metal ótimo frotmamm carismático chama o público é foda , o sepultura atual não é tão horrível assim não mas o derrick verde não tem nada a ver com metal nada a ver com metal nada a ver com metal, voz dele não tem conotação nenhuma não é grave não é agudo horrível, agora o baterista é um monstro

[@claitonfernandes140]

@@yojimbo8550 não vai sentir diferença hoje em dia, voz dele tá horrível

[@СергейЛепаков-з6л]

Сепультура в то время была мега крутой группой, как щас помню на кассете слушал "рутс" в захлёб, даже уроки под них делал))).

[@toddlecher4097]

my first show was 1994 Pantera/Sepultura vulgar/chaos tour in portland,OR. good ol days

[@DR-tx9mr]

todd lecher Holy shit. Good for you, dude! I would give a finger to have been there.

[@lfkk4640]

That was far beyond tour.

[@toddlecher4097]

@@lfkk4640 sorry bud still have the ticket, far beyond tour was with type-o negative in 95, then Pantera/white zombie in 96. i've been to every show Pantera in portland, still have every ticket every backstage pass

[@dmartinez3348]

That's amazing.

[@alee7275]

God damn that would’ve been sick

[@boristheb1ad3x67]

My first concert was at torhout festival 96 in belgium. Lineup was crazy. Sepultura, rage against the machine, red hot, bjork, massive attack and Radiohead

[@nTo-vlog]

Oh my God!

[@jesusgilpuga5330]

Gran concierto de la gira del roots al igual que el otro concierto de la gira del roots en el doctor music festival en Cataluña

[@higler.]

Igor is a god damn machine here!!

[@AndreSouza-fg8kx]

Old times

[@brettd530]

It's just a god damn shame that Sepultura had to break up. They were the ultimate band.

[@seanmetal4138]

Agreed. Only Pantera was on the same level for 90s metal.

[@brianblumenberg5470]

They weren't going to last. Max and Igor hated each other's wives and Andreas was not on board with the whole tribal thing. He wanted to stay more thrash/death metal.

[@philipposkasotis8658]

@@brianblumenberg5470 Yea very true. However this video feels like you are watching Soulfly

[@santapa_]

@@brianblumenberg5470 then why against was still whit the tribal thing?

[@tribalguyyt]

Cavalera Conspiracy is more Sepultura than it's current line-up. A damn shame indeed.

[@anthonyblack3579]

"Off our new album Roots" - I still have the cd in the car.

[@bernardokubrick]

same

[@nettoflorestal]

Me too. But "spit" is dead 😭😂

[@DanDeeg78]

One of the best! A life changer for me when that fucker came out for sure

[@ИванИванов-д7щ6о]

В 96 году roots взорвала мне мозг, по моему мнению это лучший альбом группы!!!

[@andersonmacedo9164]

Я очень рад, что русскому парню нравится наша бразильская группа Sepultura. ✌️✌️✌️

[@СергейСкифский-у6л]

Безусловно Легендарный альбом, но Chaos. AD - это лучшее что было у Sepultura. Никакой Arise с этим не сравнится.

[@leonidfisherman9159]

@@andersonmacedo9164 Была в то время своя рок группа в Калининграде, Россия, помню был у нас концерт и я в футболке с принтом Sepultura Chaos. Фанат их)

[@nillnick5798]

Когда услышал впервые Roots, он показался мне нереально крутым. По нему я учился играть на барабанах

[@redjohn354]

Holy shit! I was there in the middle of the moshpit. In the moment they started the song "roots" a heavy rain shower started. The good old days...🤟🤟🤟

[@joaquinyance2380]

Que grandes . Cómo me ubiese gustado poder verlos . Pero bueno nací en el 92' .. parabens craks

[@Bass.29]

Sepultura no auge fez em 4 integrantes o que o Slipknot não fez em 9... Sem desmerecer o Slip é claro, mas o Sepultura foi uma grande influência para eles e tantas outra bandas de metal pesado.

[@EduardoAllgayer]

Verdade. Mas hoje o Slip atual é mais interessante do que o Sepultura atual. Uma pena.

[@unkmus]

É até possível sentir vibes do sepultura no Slipknot. A bateria e riffs das guita praticamente.

[@guilhermetonon7267]

Eduardo Allgayer slipknot agora é só pop, sepultura vive a sombra das músicas de max.

[@paulobriffcado7400]

@@EduardoAllgayer espera o novo álbum do SEPULTURA, eloy é um monstro

[@EduardoAllgayer]

@@paulobriffcado7400 certo, e não desmereço a banda atual, mas a gente tem saudades do sepultura com Max e Igor

O ano de 1996 foi um ano de muitas descobertas...chega até ser nostálgico...foi muito intenso.

[@pavelsima5853]

really thanks for this video... respect to Brazil!

[@MrTruth-ib5ce]

Sepeltura played in my back yard, 6 years before i was born🤘🏻. Landgraaf🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@jacinto1477]

Can we just appreciate that sepultura could switch between many genres of metal masterfully. I mean these guys went from being a classic trash/death metal band in the 80's, then they did groove metal with chaos a.d, then nu metal with roots.All great albuns(even though, some assholes in the comment section will say that roots sucks) Edit:Maybe roots isnt completely nu metal, but it was definetly influential for that genre

[@msw0322]

I agree but I'm not sure I would label Roots as nu metal since it was released in 1996. Sure Korn and Deftones' debuts had already been out for two years but even then nu metal still wasn't really an established sub genre yet.

[@adamloader4693]

It’s true that the term “nu metal” didn’t exist back then, but Roots (together with Korn and deftones debuts) certainly influenced many of the nu metal bands that came out afterwards

[@weslleyoliveira9751]

Besides that, they knew how to insert with mastery influences of the brazilian musical roots in metal in the album roots

[@MrTruckman1971]

Probably all of you are right, but I will keep my idea they got a completely new music genre, using, as their record says, their "Roots".

[@DanDeeg78]

I always described it as Tribal metal, but it never stuck with anyone.

[@talesmendes4217]

Quando Sepultura era Sepultura..O original 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@mayoncesar3459]

vida longa aos CAVALERAS levaram o nome de Minas pro metal mundial ...

[@tombarnes5970]

Arise fast as hell! Holy mother! They nailed it!

[@ubirajaraSoares1]

Rock Brasileiro em sua melhor performance. Dusted foda

[@BasilLimbu]

When 90's Was Best For Metal Festival. #ThrowMeToPit

[@milvetcomics3366]

I used to listen to their album Chaos A.D. quite a bit back in the day. It came out in 1993 when I was 17.

[@frozenlake1215]

The songs are already awesome, but the live tone they got in this set makes it sound even more heavy and MASSIVE. Awesome awesome awesome. Plus the same day Rage Against The Machine and The Prodigy also played? I would give anything to time travel to that show!

[@thehealingprocessbandofficial]

Yeah Roots suffers from poor production in my opinion. Live versions of the songs are so much better.

[@rolandlemus203]

I give 1996 Holland audience high marks for incredible energy in that crappy weather:) I don't know who mixed the sound but even on my office speakers, this is sounding pretty damn awesome! :) \m/!

[@zemarques5257]

Arrepia todas as vezes que escuto essa música ao vivo. Sepultura!

[@kawythowy867]

27 years ago. Amazing! Time Goes too fast.

[@gfgranja]

Andreas looks the same today, didn't age a bit

[@mrgonzalogavira]

A little bit fatter kkkkk. I'm brazilian, I've met Andreas in Porto Alegre city in 2003. He's a really nice guy.

[@shlomoshekelwitz7690]

Paulo aged enough for the both of them.

[@gfgranja]

@@mrgonzalogavira I'm brazilian too.

[@eddiemill6600]

@@shlomoshekelwitz7690 😂😂😂😂😂

[@musictech2929]

Exactly what I was thinking ! He looks way more healthy than Max nowaday

[@vincesisen7221]

In 96 I've listen that at 13years old today 37 yo listen end of my life

[@dimstu5398]

15:24 ........."Let's go..... um, dois, tres, quatro.." ....................Respect

[@carlosjean167]

Esse show merecia uma gravação na integra,

[@milhouse777]

Me faz pensar como todas as bandas foda brasileiras costumam ter algum impedimento quando estão no auge da carreira, triste como os moleques nunca estão preparados para todas as merdas burocráticas que encontram no caminho, problemas que destroem em semanas a confiança e respeito que demoraram anos para adquirir como amigos.

[@jasonstorck1313]

I miss you! Sepultura! From Brazil! Congratulations in music!

[@edgardoromero7267]

Que viva SEPULTURA!!!!, SALUDOS DESDE EL SALVADOR en pleno ataque del COVID19

[@timmyb8694]

Thank you for posting. Nvr knew this existed. Great quality as well!

[@joseluistobon9324]

Con todo respeto, esta banda es el sonido y feeling verdadero de Sepultura from Brasil, bien por los calaveras, saludos. ✌✌✌🎸🎸🎸

[@oscaroliveira5128]

A maior banda do Brasil

[@Alanoffer]

Powerhouse drummer

[@Jordan-ht6oo]

that breakdown of arise was inssane to hear it in headphones i can only imagine actually being there

[@Munky84]

Best metal band in the best moment!!

[@alexanderromanov3821]

My favorite band till 1996

[@marcelvandervelden3081]

when life was good ... ik was daar !!

[@psyx7303]

I remember this album, good music 🎵 I So many weros they not appreciate the good music 🎶

[@claytonaraujo828]

Porra cara o Andreas não envelhece cara ... Pqp kkkkkkkk o cara ta do msm jeito

[@narayanasupramati1394]

Também já tinha percebido isso. Deve ser parente de um Pickles em conserva. Ou dorme em formol. (((I'm Pickles Rick!!!)))

[@guilhermetonon7267]

não usa droga alguma. O q importa é grana.

[@markin_]

Incrível

[@douglasmachadop.o1272]

Kkkkkkkkk

[@MarcioSilva-fk1hq]

@@guilhermetonon7267 , você que pensa ... rsrsrsrs

[@beastmother9437]

Old is gold! ❤ Old Sepultura My generation !!!!

[@axistec]

Audience nowadays should learn a thing or two out of this 90's metal crowd...

[@vannjunkin8041]

Hair swinging.. surfing..

[@shoketsu1200]

i've began gig in 2012 at 12yo and it was still kinda heavy but now it's totally shit, people are boring af now..

[@thehop639]

Yea ban all wanky mobile phones.... The destroyer of everything!!

[@christa1980]

Mobile phones ruined a lot

[@Harrypjotter7]

Haha and this wasn’t even a metal crowd

[@wilm567]

This is the moment you realize SEPULTURA was at the peak.

[@maurice5458]

Been There, great show!!

[@kaiblumenstein5209]

The Last time i saw them in the Classic Lineup 😅 Thanks for the Upload!

[@jussieladislau9228]

Lavando minha alma na terça de Carnaval 2020! SEPULTURA BR PORRA

[@syracuse6651]

I love the power of the old seplatura

[@kirillstarikov]

Лютая мощь! не зря их слушаю уже много лет

[@patrykpatryczek2189]

youtube is avalaible in russia ? haha

[@kirillstarikov]

@@patrykpatryczek2189 why not ?

[@LuisAlvarez-kb1qh]

Inyección pura 🤘🏼 desde Costa Rica 🇨🇷 22/11/21 se vive el Metal 🤘🏼🇨🇷🇧🇷

[@RobsonVieira_-_rockbychoice_-_]

Essa velocidade aí do Arise só o Iggor fazia... pqp

[@drinke9767]

Hoje nem ele mesmo faz.

[@hemorrhage9708]

@@drinke9767 claro, idade.

[@cybernetic-hades]

@@drinke9767 Idade, né. Bateristas extremamente rápidos e agressivos na bateria quando jovens não são a mesma coisa quando envelhecem. Um exemplo é o majestoso Joey Jordison; na juventude era foda em Metallica e Slipknot, depois deixou o Slipknot por um problema na coluna, voltou a tocar mas não é a mesma coisa.