OLED 4K TV as a PC Monitor | 2 Years Later

[@JiajuChen]

This is some real world OLED usage documentation. Pretty useful for everyone who considers using an OLED TV as a pc monitor.

[@AAFroes]

I've been using 55 OLED TVs as my main monitor for almost 5 years now. Never had a problem, my B7 had about 8k hours usage. Now I have a c9. I will NEVER go back.

[@awsl12345]

@@AAFroes what's c9

[@Slintovski]

@@awsl12345 the lg c9 , it's an oled tv 3 generations older than the current c2, i know the naming can be a bit confusing

[@awsl12345]

@@Slintovski thanks

[@sasukeuchihaanbucapt]

This is nothing I mean I could understand making a video on a plasma screen but an OLED this is simple minded and the fact he made this video shows he is just as simple-minded, the only thing I get out of this is him showing his everyday average rig that he just started doing 2 years ago and I've been doing this since 2015 with a 65 inch Samsung 4K, what's next when everybody upgrades to 8K he's going to do a video on that milking it as well I mean he's average 🤦🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Personal_Comp]

I've been using B8 55" as a PC monitor with ~8hrs per day usage for almost 4 years now...not a single problem ever. Not image retention(or I at least didn't notice it), not burn in, not dead pixels...it works perfectly. It has thousands of hours in games with static hud like AC Origins, AC Odyssey, TC Division 2, Cyberpunk, RDR2, God Of War, Metro Exodus...every game played in 90% OLED light HDR if it was available and working.

[@AAFroes]

b7 to c9 here, same experience.

[@evilpl-u9m]

How tou divide picture?

[@parkerbohnn]

I fell asleep and woke up and thought I was still dreaming but nope it was burn-in for real. Dam it.

[@Dragon211]

i want to buy an oled tv but im worried about the brightness after 4 years, have you noticed the screen getting darker at all?

[@rosed4878]

whats the width of your table may i ask? I cant decide on a tv screen size

[@alexandrum]

Welcome back! I missed your calm, soothing videos to guide me through building the perfect office.

[@freeocha]

I really like that you are actually showing the problems you met and how you solve them!

[@KG_BM]

This man rarely posts, but when he does, it is QUALITYYYY.. i used your dual monitor setup video, ultrawide comparison , 4k vs ultrawide comparison, and now im watching this from my c1 48” desk. Idk whats next but ill be here for it

[@s.c.r.]

Yeah same. I wish he posted more often, I could watch his videos all day lol

[@elmalloc]

Hi, I'm David!

[@92kosta]

How are you watching videos on a desk?

[@KG_BM]

@@92kosta i put the table leg through my eye, i can see in 8k

[@michaelb9940]

ok

[@sucram65]

I’ve been using a CX 55” as my monitor for the last two years. The difference for me is I run virtual machines from my work MacBook Pro. I have them in various aspect ratios but I typically have 4 displayed at the same time. Also have a PS5 and gaming pc connected as well. Works great. No burn in.

[@hmdesignBD]

What monitor arm you are using?

[@BlacKi-nd4uy]

iam using the cx55 as monitor, aswell as tv. no burn in. perfect for me. idk what could be better then this, exept 8k or 240hz.

[@BlacKi-nd4uy]

@@hmdesignBD i screwd mine to the wall. you need the space, because its a big screen.

[@Veryth]

One thing that can really help with the font rendering in Chrome based applications, is to use the `/disable-lcd-text` command line flag. It forces much better font rendering in the browser, without having to resort to the greyscale ClearType setting, which makes the OS text look quite poor IMO. This even works for applications like VS Code. FYI, your videos were one of the main reasons I decided to buy the LG CX 48" for myself :) And I absolutely do not regret that decision at all.

[@HoloScope]

How do I do this??

[@sharkbytefpv4326]

@@NijiDash If this was reddit I would give you a price. For now, take my sincere gratitude.

[@NijiDash]

@@sharkbytefpv4326 Thanks, happy to help!

[@Salio_Mendes]

@@NijiDash oh woow! That is actually amazing and it works really well thanks Marvin 😊 👍

[@timmyp6297]

You are better off trying to adjust Cleartype first. Cleartype has settings.

[@davidlt]

I feel that 40" 5K2K monitor (21:9) might be a nice option. It's basically ultra-wide of 32" 16:9. These are already large monitors and thus not cheap. Especially 40" ultra-wide, the price is very high. 48" with 4K is too low PPI. If you work with a text you need to consider pixel structure, operating system and how fonts are being rendered (e.g. does your OS stilll do sub-pixel rendering?) 32" monitor with native 4K (so scaling is 100%) is good enough, but not perfect. 42" with 4K (100%) is might be easier for some folks (depending on your distance from the monitor). At 42" size I would expect 5K resolution (5120 × 2880) to get that ~140 PPI.

[@dee_em_bee]

“Guess I’ll see you again next year” 😂. Good to have you back putting up content again. I ended up buying the new 42” LG and an ergotron HX off the back of your recommendation, really pleased with the way the mount performs; definitely worth the extra money. Here in the UK you can get 5 year burn in warranty from John Lewis. Was really reasonable only costing £28 (so about $45 Canadian dollars) a year. Means I don’t even worry about it now and can just get on and enjoy the TV. Still waiting for them to update the software tho, the Picture in Picture still isn’t working properly.

[@Chris-zf2xk]

I bought the ergotron last year and let me tell you. It completely changes the experience for this TV. I have the LG C1 48 paired with the Ergotron. I have tried other monitors in the 32 inch range and returned all of them and went back to the LG C1.

[@xephyr2371]

How has the experience been? Mac or pc? Productivity?

[@Chris-zf2xk]

@@xephyr2371 I use it for PC/Console gaming literally everyday. Its an amazing experience especially with HDR. HDR on OLED pop way harder than other TVs/monitors. Its a great experience.

[@TrollPirate]

@@Chris-zf2xk Does HX need some sort of adapter to work with the TV? I have LG CX 48 and I am considering getting this as well!

[@ryandrew8832]

If you are to keep a large 16:9 or similar display such as a TV or an ultrawide monitor, I would 1000000% recommend a curved display!!! Makes viewing at desk distance sooo much better and comfortable and a lot less straining on your eyes👌

[@caseydwayne]

I think there's a certain size and R value that works but I found my 27" 1500R uncomfortable.

[@danyo6938]

The in-window chrome extension! 🤯🤯🤯 THANK YOU.

[@AdithyaShreshti]

Which one??

[@wazenight]

05:10 ​@@AdithyaShreshti

[@LordFlipFlap]

I use the B9 as a monitor in a lot of the same ways you are. I had the dead pixels as well, and contacted LG about it. It was covered under warenty for me. LG sent some tecknichians over and they changed the panel for free.

[@abhirock5818]

Shatadvne muklig halge turkte

[@SpontaneousWeasel]

I used a plasma for several years and although the motion handling was excellent, the temporary and sometimes permanent image retention always bugged me and wrongly led me to write off oled screen tech as I had wrongly assumed the screen burn/image retention issues would be similar. After watching too much digital foundry, I pulled the trigger and now have a cx oled and I haven't noticed even one instance of temporary IR over the past 7 months of daily usage. It's a great time for oled!

[@FG-td4vs]

@SIG Oled ain’t going anywhere anytime soon

[@EJM07]

@@FG-td4vs cope

[@paigesalas8142]

Same i bought a sony a90k and have had it over 6 months and no burn in issues so far

[@UmVtCg]

One can never watch too much Digital Foundry

[@Multimeter1]

C9 owner here. The dead pixels are a same issue here…. LG has some quality issues for sure on their panels

[@neocodexx]

Theres a registry hack you can use to make your application top bars dark grey to avoid burn in. Also, having them white was extremely distracting for me anyway. Look it up.

[@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL]

I bought LG C2 42 inch 1 week ago. I am very happy. Thank you for power toys and fancy zones tools. 42 inch is a perfect screen for me (Work, gaming, TV).

[@TriunnBjornson]

I'm strongly considering this screen for my next monitor. Seem a lot of good so far. How has your experience been now that its a year later?

[@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL]

@@TriunnBjornson top. Excellent. You must just have minimum distance between 80cm - 1 m from the screen

[@Mixx10]

Wow thanks for the tip to use region to share. I have that exact same issue with teams. I had to get a second monitor just for screen sharing. So glad to see you posting a video again!

[@HelloDavid]

Glad it helps! It was definitely a major painpoint for me, and I had to do similar before using my laptop as a second screen for sharing. What a pain that was.

[@cyberclaude]

I have been using a LG 4K 40" smart tv as a computer monitor since the end of 2017. That's my main monitor. I mostly play pc games and during the pandemic i also had a lot of meetings using Zoom. I don't have any issues of any kind, no ghost images. The screen is as sharp and clean as it was when i bought the TV after 4 1/2 years.

[@flipincan]

This guy's channel is prime example of "Quality over Quantity"

[@Wupday]

yea... his dead pixels show real quality

[@Danjovisagat]

Hiding the taskbar is number 1. Changing backgroud to black is number 2. Rearranging windows in a tile format is a great idea.

[@GRYL180]

You are so right. I subscribed!

[@windmaomao]

The biggest problem of this setup is the heat, radiation and the distance to the monitor. I have been using this setup for years as well. But I’m older so I don’t sit so close. And I use another monitor at closer distance. In the end I use this large monitor as a background monitor.

[@FG-td4vs]

I haven’t noticed any heat from the tv

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

This is what I fear. I used my last TV as a Secondary Monitor. It was a El Cheapo Walmart Special. But it was LED so I usually just left it on and never had to worry about Burn In or Image Retention. It's really got me worried and Scared to ruin this expensive TV.

[@kasakka]

I agree with everything you say here. I have also used the LG CX 48" for two years working from home and no burn in on mine. No dead pixels either. My solution to the sheer size of the display was a floor stand to put it at 1m viewing distance. I found this along with 125% scaling and some RGB subpixel smoothing contrast adjustment using Better Cleartype Tuner largely negated the text rendering issues. After moving I have now put the LG CX into my living room to use as a TV and plan to buy something else for work use, probably a 32" 4K and the 28" LG DualUp as I could use more desktop space than the LG CX offers and it's not that practical to get a second monitor next to it due to its size.

[@creativerayn]

I can relate to all your points - since moving to the same screen as my pc/gaming monitor I haven’t looked back and find it difficult to consider moving back to an ultra wide or even an alternative 42” lcd screen. The oled is just unbelievable, together with g-sync.

[@JamesDulin]

I know this is an old comment, but, what video card do you have? I have a 2080ti, but, its 4 display ports, which makes this a non-starter for me (which makes me sad).

[@creativerayn]

@@JamesDulin I also have a 2080ti - Corsair one. For my use it’s worked out well since I mainly use it for gaming and some 3D work. My only issue with it is the hdmi port being 2.0 so I can’t utilise the full spec of the monitor - no 120hz / hdr at 4:4:4 but at 60hz / 4:4:4 I’m more than happy - I would also love a 3/4 series card to have the hdmi port located at the back. The oled more than makes up for it though in all honestly, but again for my use 🙂

[@JamesDulin]

@@creativerayn wow, that's the same pc I have. I only have displayport on my corsair one though

[@creativerayn]

@@JamesDulin I’ve got the Corsair one i165 - it has one hdmi at the front and 3 display ports at the back. I find it hard to go back to a custom build or prebuilt system, I had a Phanteks Evolv case which I built a system in before and loved it but can only imagine upgrading once Corsair (if they do) do a version with a 4090 - even then I’m sure it would be ridiculously priced, but this one has served me so well and I love the form factor, lack of noise and temps are amazing for the size.

[@megaprimegamer1184]

What do y’all suggest for my usage? 42 or 48 or… Weekdays - only Netflix/ KZbin Weekend - movies/ console/ some pc gaming

[@kiwibuddy]

I went the same route as you did but noticed severe burn in where my desktop icons were. I do suggest anyone who is planning to go this route to not have any desktop icons. One other downside is the auto-dimming . Other than that, Im never going back to using ultrawides

[@kiwibuddy]

@Not the other one I believe in prior firmwares you can using a technician controller but I believe it’s no longer an option to toggle it on and off. Others can correct me if I’m wrong

[@RareAmv]

@@kiwibuddy Odd, I have been using my CX for about 4k hours as well without any visible burnin either but I left all the safety issues on, as personally, apart from the dimming (which I just got used to eventually) are near impossible to notice. Though I do have BFI/Motion Pro on medium, so this inserts a black frame before every other 1-2 frames (i believe medium does it less often) at the cost of some brightness but in the hopes since it has to toggle the pixel fully, to prevent burn in, so far so good. I do have a bunch of icons on display quit statically. Sorry to hear that you are facing burn in, perhaps you got the short end of the stick in the panel lottery :(.

[@he.lena21]

LMAO imagine using an OLED as a monitor and having desktop icons showing 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@RareAmv]

@@he.lena21 sorry but I have done so for 4k hours without any issue? Of course if you leave the tv on for hours on end just showing the desktop it will cause most likely burn in but you normally open windows browsers games movies, switch things around etc. Correct? OLED is by no means a perfect technology for monitor usage but with proper precautions it can last a long long time....

[@kiwibuddy]

@@RareAmv don’t even bother responding to the troll. Haters gonna hate. I’ll just call LG to see if I can get the panel replaced since it’s within 2 years or I’ll get a new monitor.

[@George-hj4xg]

Been using the 48" quite sometime and its still great. No problems with the burn in thingie and that can be avoided by common sense, far as I can tell. I just got the new 42" and now will use it as my monitor, and use the 48 as a TV somewhere. I changed because of the size, the 42 is easier to actually use full screen with a computer and better for games because I can sit closer now. 48" was just too big up close with a desk for most games, get dizzy and other reasons. Which I countered that playing games by backing away but like using a desk better. But have no plans of using anything other than an Oled for my monitor.

[@MiGujack3]

how about dead pixels

[@Goejii]

Wow the number of dead pixels is insane!🤯

[@Shockload]

the funny thing is that you wouldn't even have noticed them if he didn't zoom in, that's why he also doesn't care enough to go through the warranty hassle, those many dead pixels over 2 years of heavy usage is not bad for an OLED, as long as they don't appear in 2 months lol

[@taylorhickman84]

Agreed, my LG 65" OLED is 3 years old and has zero dead pixels

[@fontexstudios]

If you have the time, you could just buy the QN90B and the AW3423DW and do the comparisons, as there are many people interested as well in knowing if it is worth the change. It is becoming clear that next decisions to dump an OLED TV will be based on what is a worthy change, than what is an upgrade.

[@evanfrozone]

You really are taking much better advantage of this than I am. Thank you for the ideas as I’ve struggled with the comfort of using my cx

[@Montieyt]

I've been using my LG CX 48" OLED for about 2 years now with my RTX 3090 with no issues as you described in this video. No Image Retention or Burn In. Fantastic Display. However I'll likely upgrade to the New LG 42" C2.

Why? Too big 48 inches? Thanks!!

[@aeonflux965]

Hi Monte, I recently purchased the LG C2 42" TV, and I must say, it is worth every penny. You will absolutely love it! Personally, I think 48" is to big as a gaming monitor, but I am so excited for you. You are in for a treat. 😊

[@nonothing4474]

don't call it an upgrade when you're going from 48 to 42 inches even if it's a newer model dumbas Doesn't matter if you're changing it just because it will be better for you in your garbage setup either

[@mikerosoft1009]

Do you do anything to 'shake up' the OLED from burn in or just use it like a normal monitor?

[@aeonflux965]

@@mikerosoft1009 Hi Mike, I just use it as a normal monitor. LG has some nice features built-in that address burn in, so I don't worry about it to much.

[@ChumlyFernando]

Not joking, your video has completely changed my workflow. I had NO idea that you could use Fancy Zones to spread windows across multiple zone, nor use right click to enable it. Thank you! Also, as others have been saying, great product quality my guy! Well done

[@KarlMikkelsen]

Hey Chumley, How do you span a window through several zones? I can get it to span across a couple of zones that are adjacent by hovering near the edge/corner, but I don't seem to be able to span across three or more zones like David does at 4:42

[@EusebioWachuwey]

@@KarlMikkelsen In short: hold control to expand window to various zones From a support page : Description of the new feature / enhancement A hotkey should allow user to expand a window to the next zone in FancyZones, instead of moving it. Scenario when this would be used? I have a 49" ultrawide, and the right side is used for idle programs like Spotify, Slack, Discord, etc. The zone is split horizontally in the middle, so that I can have two of these idle apps showing at the same time. However, this does so that I can't easily take up the full height of the display in that area when I want to, since it's not one zone, it's two. An example userflow of this feature would be: Move window to top-half zone. shft + windows + down-arrow would make the window expand to the zone beneath. Supporting information

[@JustSomeDude31]

Glad you talk about text visability, as I'm a writer who also uses the pc for entertainment purposes I was looking for a 43 inch monitor. But I am also considering an OLED TVs. After a bit of research I noticed most 40+ inch monitors and/or TV's have text clarity issues. I guess a ultra-wide 34 or 38 inch monitor is perhaps best for me.

[@kustomkure]

I have Samsung M7, 43 inch. Text clarity is top notch.

[@N0N0111]

2:18 HOLY CRAP that looks like the corner is PIXEL rotting, that gave me a scare not gonna lie. So about that extended warranty is it a good idea on OLED if you are planning for a +3 years to max 5 years use?

[@paxpaxman4423]

I have loved to live with a 32" monitor for the last six months and never want to go smaller again. I even feel that 34" or 42" would be a nice future upgrade as my monitor is the biggest screen i have and watching movies from the couch behind my desk is not the ideal

[@AlwinCrasto]

I use a 48" C1 as a monitor. That Chrome add-on and the Region to Share app were EXACTLY what I needed! Thank you so much! Could you also please share your Fancy Zones layout config file? It looks like you put quite some time and thought into configuring that layout and I'd like to try that out for my workflow.

[@oppi263]

which chrome addon

[@mopnem]

You could always screenshot & recreate his fancy zone layout. Very nice of him to show his advice.

[@nicetugboat]

Would also love a copy of the config file for Fancy Zones!

[@AlwinCrasto]

@@oppi263 The Windowed Chrome add-on linked in the video description.

[@AlwinCrasto]

@@mopnem Yep, that's what I ended up doing.

[@JaredEubank]

7919 hours on my 65 inch oled from like 2018. Its my TV but I use my computer on it about 60~70% of hours easy. No issues, only thing occasionally I find annoying is the auto light adjustment thing. I have seen occasional image retention but its never been a real issue. Considering a 42 inch OLED display, bigger is too big on a desk, unless your sitting back further.

[@JuanFmTech]

Damm your Fancy zones setup is on another level and, wonder how long did it take to get to that?

[@Juliano-v]

Because of your video i changed my setup to have the "same" experience using c1 and i must say, thank you! It's a very pleasant experience using a 48" monitor dividing the screen Also, thank you for the recommended apps

[@matthewgaines10]

It isn't the amount of years, it's the amount of hours. I have a C6 with only 2772 hours. Your TV is years newer, yet is more aged. Particularly with the built in protections turned off. It would interesting to see what 10,000 hours look like with the protections turned off. You can forget about any warranty once you go into those menu settings to make changes. They can decline any panel related claim at will for making those changes.

[@vb8428]

how long do you think the c1 would last with about 40hrs of usage per week mostly watching movies and videos?

[@Omizuke]

Oh man the RWBG sub is most likely a killer for me. I've always had trouble with non RGB sub displays. Regardless of the size and resolution. I'd really like a glossy, RGB sub, 1600p ultrawide. Not 1440p.

[@jedics1]

Interesting, I had wondered if playing games in windowed mode to run at lower resolutions to retain higher fps would work, are there any issues doing this? Like your cursor jumping to the desktop? This is especially important for those who need to sit close for the best focus point when wearing glasses and your right about the PPI, once you spend a bit of time reading text at 200 its very hard to go back to anything near 100 again. Even for someone with ageing vision like myself the difference is huge as is the fatigue levels. Sharp text is not optional imo. I have lusted after deep blacks in a monitor for two decades but so far there are just to many compromises.

[@TheRealRobG]

I have the 43 inch QN90B, and apart from the sub-pixel issues with slight colour fringing around text - which pretty much go unnoticed with anything other than tiny text, and is less noticeable with dark backgrounds - it's fantastic. A perfect size for working, and excellent for videos and gaming. It's especially good at 4K 120Hz HDR gaming on my Xbox Series X. The best part is - zero issues with burn-in. It's just not a thing with Neo QLED.

[@MIchaelSybi]

Would it be good for working?

[@TheRealRobG]

@@MIchaelSybi I find it fine for working. I can have the text larger and move it further back on the desk. It saves me having to wear reading glasses.

[@MIchaelSybi]

@@TheRealRobG Thank you! Any burn-ins? As working on PC supposes static images

[@aryaprincess2479]

The problem with this is that 4K at this size is too low PPI... so monitors do have a reason to exist that serve a purpose different to a TV. If we ever get to 8K just like you said then yes, monitors and TVs can become interchangeable. As for the white bars they need to implement something on an operating system level. Like a window bar should be a gray color and each pixel should rotate around red, then green, then blue, while nearby pixels do the same but not all same color at the same time. This way you won't notice the color change but each pixel would round robin between those. I have a double-ultrawide Samsung Odyssey G9 and that thing is a beast, I only wish it was a true 5K 21:9 ratio instead of a 32:9 but I can live with it.

[@tvm2209]

PPI is fine for the 48", but anything higher and I notice in a bad way especially text.

[@mattb.7713]

Someone likely already commented this, but Asus announced a 42" OLED monitor (presumably using the C2 panel) which will have a heatsink and obviously monitor standby features as well.

[@Nyubug]

I've been using my LG cx 48 as my main monitor and I love it! I made an auto hotkey script that launches my programs/games in 1920x1080 borderless windows and it also moves the window position to the bottom center of the screen. Less eye strain and it's like playing on a normal monitor. The top and sides of the screen are black because my desktop wallpaper.

[@imn0tgarbage]

Please, please share this with me! I want to game and have multiple other windows open. Can you share in detail how you did it?

[@darylcheshire1618]

I wanted the 48 inch LG but in Australia was hard to get and only cost $100 less than the 55 inch TV, so I got the 55 inch TV and I also got the Aurorus 43 inch VA monitor. Now the price is reduced to 50% of the 55 inch.

[@Patelivision]

Been waiting for this video. Thanks for the update! In Firefox you can maximize videos in the size of the window without an extension. Go to about:config Set full-screen-api-ignore-widgets to true. Maybe there's an equivalent for chrome? Which chrome extension are you using? Also the region to share is very helpful. Thanks for telling us about it

[@Tony-pb2gi]

The extension for chrome is simply called 'Windowed - floating KZbin/every website'

[@Patelivision]

@OneFortyFour and videos still maximize to the full screen?

[@ne_vladek]

@@Tony-pb2gi bro, thank you!

[@FractalPrism.]

I've had the LG C1 OLED for abt a year now. I left all the anti burn in stuff turned on and did all the recommendations offered for picture settings etc from Vincent Teo & Digital Foundry; i have zero dead pixels and never see any kind of burn in or ghosting. I do find it annoying how fast the auto dimmer turns on, as its certainly obvious when it does. This monitor is used for productivity, casual browsing and pc gaming / ps5 etc. It is my daily driver, so its probably turned on for 10-16 hrs a day. With the 55 inch model i have the backrest of my chair 64 inches away from the front of the panel (i have two of the same rectangular ikea desk configured in a square). This effectively doubles the PPI in my field of view since I sit twice as far away from the monitor. Because i sit so far away, I do not need to move my neck to see any part of the desktop; its easy to put any program in Fullscreen without any viewing angle or comfort issues. I also have a 27 inch dell 1440p as a secondary for things in need nearby (discord, chat, tutorials) but not on the main screen. I highly recommend this panel if image quality is important and if you can easily tell the difference between "dimming zones" and an OLED which has per-pixel illumination.

[@TH-lo8mq]

Still torn between the AW3423 and the C2. The C2 is a TV so I can always move it to another room when it ages or easily sell it. The AW currently has a lot of QC issues, but has a higher refresh rate and shorter height to allow for a second monitor on top. UW is also a slightly better gaming experience for games that support it. First world problem 😅

[@twobitsnick]

I should warn you that an OLED used as a computer monitor might have limited resale value...

[@TH-lo8mq]

@@twobitsnick I assume you are implying burn-in. Well, that remains to be seen. It's very rare these days unless you are really abusing it.

[@busterscrugs]

I'm surprised all those dead pixels don't bother you. Both my C1's have had a singular dead pixel and it bothers me endlessly.

[@samgao]

You can always go for the 48" Gigabyte OLED monitor so it'll act like a real monitor rather than a Smart TV... With the real "monitor sleep" and "monitor wake" on signal. Works for my PS5 and PC alike, and when it's not in use, it just goes to sleep (turns off) so you don't have to worry about any images on the screen

[@supermac1749]

Hello, I just ordered this oled. how is it for you ? still no burn in or issues ?

[@samgao]

@@supermac1749 I have an LG oled TV, but I wished I got the asus oled 48

[@supermac1749]

@@samgao how is the LG no burn in ?

[@jalapribila7974]

I have been using a standard LCD TV instead of a computer monitor for 5 years now. And happy with it and never thought of going back to monitors (what a waste of money!) But watching this video, I have one big remark. You changed your screen to twice larger size of previous , and the distance between your eyes and the monitor remained the same (about 20-30 cm). Double this distance. For example, I sit somewhere at a distance of 70 cm - 1 m from the 41' screen. Comfortable game, work and Internet surfing without any negative aspects that you noticed in the video.

[@N0N0111]

Good call on canceling those other monitors, going back to VA panel would be a SUPER NO. And QD-OLED first gen TVs/Monitors have so many oddness that you rather want to get the next gen. I am personally waiting for what Asus and Gigabyte will do for their large scale monitor models. Now we know that LG - Sony and Panasonic will have 42" 2022 OLED models. No news on Samsung QD-OLED for 42".

[@ksh6]

"QD-OLED first gen TVs/Monitors have so many oddness" What are the oddness? Are there too many issues?

[@N0N0111]

@@ksh6 Watch the "hardware unboxed" & "HDTVTest" reviews here on KZbin.

[@tablettablete186]

@@N0N0111 Thanks for pointing out where to find, I will take a look too!

[@TechVibeReviews1]

I use a 43" with my laptop whenever I play games or watch KZbin. The screen sharpness was only at half from the factory, and turning it up all the way on the TV really solved the issues from the pixel blur.

[@SlurP667]

Thanks once again for this amazing video. :D I've been using an 48C1 for almost a year now, remain in gaming mode, but have dropped my OLED brightness to 25. No burn in so far as well, but so far, so good. I try to avoid those white window titles, use dark mode wherever available or I can make it available, say through Dark Reader plugins. My background is plain black. My task bar is on screen #2 (out of 3). Yes you can do that with Windows 10 and I hate Windows 11 for it. Auto-hide taskbar has been buggy forever, so I've never gotten used to it. Since there is a second LG TV in the same room I meanwhile avoid turning the 48C1 on via remote but use the LG ThinQ app, which works fine. There's a button under the screen? I hadn't even noticed. 😂 For months and months I had set a blank screensaver to go off after two minutes, and for the most part it worked fine. Occasionally there's this one or other stubborn program preventing it to go off, but you get a feeling for that. However, what annoyed me the most was turning the thing on and off because it doesn't matter what device IDs you set the TVs do, that part only takes over after they've been turned on. So it's either playing peek-a-boo with the sensors or becoming creative. ThinQ turns it on nice. HomeKit did not work out for me and putting more time into that to tinker around with made no sense when I had a solution. Now when turning it off, I rely on JPersson77's LGTVCompanion. Amazing little thing. How does YT like links? I rarely comment. github.com/JPersson77/LGTVCompanion It's on github /JPersson77/LGTVCompanion Download, install, configure and that's it. I put in my IP - the TV is connected via CAT5, gets a fixed IP from DHCP. Some functions need to be enabled in the TV but that's all listed on the Github page. Since my Windows is German I made sure to select "neu starten" under additional options (bottom left), otherwise the TV just turns off when you reboot the machine, and then chose [x] Automatically blank after 2 minutes of idle time. It works unless I have Elden Ring running for whatever reason. That's it. Machine shuts down or suspends to disk and the TV immediately turns off as well.

[@jinx20001]

I've also been using a C1 for almost a year with no burn in so far but I think you are making too many compromises to your experience honestly, it's like you are living in fear every day that an issue will happen and that's not how one should enjoy what they spent so much money on if you ask me. Oleds are already dim compared to standard displays, there ain't no way I'm setting 25 oled pixel brightness, no way I'm using a completely black background etc etc. Instead when I purchased the thing I took out 5 years extended warranty and that's it, I don't have to worry, if theres an image problem it gets replaced, I'm using 85 oled pixel brightness, I don't avoid any content at all, if HDR is available best believe I'm using that, I payed for that experience. Baby sitting a TV so hopefully it lasts just makes no sense to me, I will do the obvious steps though like hiding static icons or the task bar because it's easy and common knowledge for not creating a problem early but there's no way I'm going to the extreme you do, at that point I think I'd rather have a different display and use it with no worry.

[@SlurP667]

@@jinx20001 Had my OLED brightness set to 85 before, default setting IIRC, but over time it just was too bright in the desktop environment. Now if I had a quick option to switch just between 25 and 85 for gaming, I'd do that, but most of the time I'm too lazy to switch back and forth manually. Even 85 was somewhat meh sometimes playing WoW with all those static UI elements and the screen dimming down automatically. Generally my screens are set on the darker side, 15-25% brightness, the room has north-facing windows and sunlight isn't working against them either. If there's a HDR option in the game, I'm taking it, but honestly cba to switch Windows itself back and forth between HDR and SDR because developers were unable to implement it properly. That 5 year warranty sadly wasn't an option, unless I had gone with the LG one and their version didn't sound like they offered "burn-in protection". Wallpapers, I've had various over the decades but truth be told most of the time I haven't even seen them because I've always had the screens plastered with windows. My previous one was just a black one with a logo and frankly even now when mostly minimizing windows via Autohotkey when I don't use them and the screen turning black after two minutes anyway, I don't feel like I'm missing out. Every user case is luckily different, making it more interesting, and as long as you're not forcing a Linus, I hope it works out for everybody and the general burn-in fear, that's associated with buying an OLED screen, will just become a cautionary tale of the olden times. BTW my C1 gets to run for 12+ hours a day. I've had a 65E7V and an iPhoneX for years - OLED everything! - and so far so good :D This is me being more "relaxed" about it :D

[@iboopedyournose]

Welcome back! Missed your well thought out and aesthetically pleasing reviews! :D Edit: I hope that see you next year at the end was a joke!

[@edinquispe123]

I've been having the same conundrum as of late, to either go for one of the new TVs-as-monitors or go for an older model. Comparing the CX to the C2, I think the best bet would be the C1 model, given it just handles everything the C2 does but at a cheaper price. The C2 is just a bit brighter, and yeah, it does have the full-bandwidth in their HDMI 2.1 ports (the full 48 Gbps, compared to C1's 40 Gbps), but still, LG is asking for too much to pay for an upgrade like that. Comparing the Samsung QN90B and what has or is becoming the best TV out of Samsung (and probably the year) in the Samsung *S95B* , there's a clear winner: the S95B. The only catch is that they don't have that model in a smaller size (it's small size is 55"). I was thinking about that new Alienware monitor too, but it has no HDMI 2.1 ports, which is shocking given that it would have been my go-to had it had it. And also, Samsung helped make it, I believe that monitor is using the same tech (QD-OLED) as their S95Bs, but they or Alienware really limited it by adding that HDMI 2.0 port. Kinda dumb, and am hoping if Samsung has any plan to really enter that TV-as-a-monitor market that LG has been leading right now with their CX, C1, and C2; or stick to making high-priced monitors as a separate department to their TV division with no overlap unlike their competitor LG. Last thing would be to see if Hisense would enter that TV-as-a-monitor market too, as their LEDs have been getting closer to OLED levels, but I guess not for this 2022 season.

[@laingadaing]

Just curious. Why is lack of hdmi 2.1 on a 1440p ultrawide a dealbreaker? New consoles can give you 1440p 120 over 2.0

[@RareAmv]

I currently use the CX for about 4k hours as well. I was looking at the newer versions which likely have better panels there is one feature they nerved with later iterations starting from the C1: removing BFI/Motion Pro for 120hz content, as well as not having any configurable gradation in intensity. Though this might be placebo, I believe that having the pixels turn on and off as frequent as possible might prevent burnin as well, since it has to toggle all pixels on and off instead of leaving it on for static images. Ofcourse at the cost of brightness so in that sense it might compensate with the fact that i have the brightness turned slightly higher with bfi on medium.. but in my mind turning off a pixel fully but with higher peak brightness compared to having it statically on with lower brightness, it feels like the former is better :X. I really hope that in 1 or 2 generations they add this back, but most likely the qd oled seem to be a better pick in regards of burn in.

[@Nunoflashy]

@@RareAmv The C1 has 120Hz BFI, they removed it on the C2 though, which makes no sense.

[@toymaker3474]

@@Nunoflashy could this be fixxed with a firmware update?

[@RareAmv]

@@Nunoflashy Oh, but it was not configurable correct? (Like the low, medium, high settings), personally i have it set to medium, high is way to flickery and i believe that was the default on the C1/2. Oh well.

[@jaysonortiz3513]

What Monitor mount and bracket are you using to hold the OLED? Amazing video!

[@xophere]

Great work flow tools. My issue was lack of easy movement between sitting and standing. But I see you could easily just shift the window from lower to upper position.

[@GabrielSilva-hl5xz]

Great FancyZones layout! I have one question: How do you snap to multiple zones without holding down Ctrl? Do you use a mouse button for the Ctrl?

[@Werm000]

Yes, you can set up fancy zones to use a mouse button. My mouse has one near the thumb that is convenient

[@sweedishpie360]

Been using a 48" c1 as a PC monitor for like 10 months now. No burn in and using full brightness. Hands down the best monitor I've owned. That being said. I prefer gaming on my led qled. That HDR brightness on the qled is in a league of its own where even the infinite contrast of the OLED can't even match

[@nyhosi]

lg c1 48" is a tv not monitor!

[@sweedishpie360]

@@nyhosi I know that. Still, doesn't matter. It's a tv that can be used as a monitor that is better than 95% of monitors out there.

[@Voidward]

@@sweedishpie360 Bro, how? I use mine at 20% brightness unless I'm playing games / watching movies. That would sear my eyeballs unless I was in a room full of natural light.

[@sweedishpie360]

@@Voidward I'm just used to very a very bright screen. My q90t qled hits very high nit levels while having excellent black levels albeit some minor blooming on certain scenes. Even find the c1 to be too dim even at full brightness 😅 I do take care of it though with a screensaver and a black wallpaper. No burn in whatsoever

[@MarcoPiampiani]

One of the things that this video covered extremely well is that because we will keep getting larger and larger TV's all the time, hopefully with a continuing trend in keeping the prices at a good level, when you finally drop that 100 inch TV on your computer desk, you don't have to treat things as "full screen", you can just pretend that your entire wall is a screen and you are just positioning your apps or games or desktop overlays "on a convenient section on the WALL directly in front of me", so just play your game in an ultrawide window strip near the bottom (at a decent eye level) and still watch a TV show in a 20+ inch window in an upper corner area. It might be tempting to "woah CoD XXX in full 100 inches" but you WILL just get eye strain and neck pains flicking your eyes to corner spots to look at radar/HUD elements.

[@b213videoz]

I've had my Dell Alienware OLED laptop for 5 years now and... no signs of burning out 😜 Which is strange: on Samsung Galaxy S9 and Note 9 I could see burning out in less than half a year

[@stac]

The OG of desk setups and ergonomics content creator.

[@sacb0y]

I've been using a 55" q90A as my main monitor and I love it. I was concerned about going over 50" but the picture quality on 55" models is just better. And I think thats a universal aspect. The zone stuff does look neat though, I wanted to see how the windows 11 update fares before trying other options cause I do tend to use the full screen a lot cause my applications have lots of inspectors.

[@limxz1986]

dayum. 55" is my TV lol. do you have to sit far away to use it?

[@sacb0y]

@@limxz1986 Personally I don't, I use it at 100% scale and sit maybe 2 feet away, I used to sit further thanks to a pull out keyboard. but I just got more used to it. In my mind it's just 4 23" monitors seamlessly stacked lol. Games are an exception though, most games and movies I sit further away in a chair. An FPS, or a game like cities skylines, I might not but it depends.

[@parkerbohnn]

I've got the same TV and the 55 inch is 120mhz and has the wide viewing angles. The 50 inch has 60 mhz and no viewing angles.

[@sacb0y]

@@parkerbohnn I believe it's also bright with more dimming zones.

[@parkerbohnn]

@@sacb0y That's right and with this TV you have to turn "picture clarity" to off.

[@vladg5216]

I've got almost 10 thousand hours on my LG B9, no burn in whatsoever. I use it as a PC monitor mainly. However, to mitigate risk of burn it, I keep the brightness down pretty low - around 20% for PC monitor use most of the time. I also use dark mode whenever possible because white backgrounds exercise all three subpixels while black backgrounds simply leave those pixels off. 20% brightness sounds low, but it's really not. I turn all my monitors down, even at work, because I hate staring at a super bright screen all day. OLED's natural colors and perfect black levels means the screen doesn't have to strain with brightness in order to fool you into thinking it looks good. It just looks amazing even at low brightness.

[@oppi263]

Same. Im using since 2020 LG. Cx 48 and no burn in. Mostly static content. Between through some games or movies. Worth to upgrade to c2 42"?

[@oppi263]

Image rentention, yes but doesnt bother me and goes away too... Some ips monitors i had extreme burn in problem with Image rentention...and Dell covered in warranty

[@oppi263]

I consired new samsung mini led and 42" LG too.. if get burn in... Qd oled not aviable... Deliverly date August

[@TheBattle1992]

Im using CX 55" as monitor for almost 2 years with 3080, no regrets. 5 years warranty on it, so until then will keep it for sure.

[@مقارنات_الجيوش]

02:20 dead pixels

[@50shmekles]

Just got a C3 42 inch last week, I haven't gotten used to it and window management has been lackluster. This is the first REAL in depth user experience video I've found on having a large monitor, thank you tons!

[@dieglhix]

it requires some tuning which took me several hours to figure out... The most basic thing is to use proper scaling and then also enabling 8:8:8 on 4K 120hz. YOu must use an HDMI 2.1 cable, and if your GPU does not have HDMI 2.1, you will need one because it's absolutely worth it. For windows management there are third party apps

[@FortyTwoAnswerToEverything]

I've got a regular backlit 42" 4K LG and it's been a pleasure putting my trading windows, virtual machines, and favorite youtube videos all one one screen at once. Because my Dell laptop doesn't have HDMI ports , I had to buy a thunderbolt dock to be able to get full 4K 60Hz HDR. The USB-C dongles didn't work in this instance, limiting me to 4K 30Hz, no HDR. Also, what remote did you use to get into the service menu? My LG 60" plasma has this thing where it completely turns off the panel in between scenes to simulate dark levels. I need to turn that off

[@alenopsar]

I have been using the CX48 for 2 years as well for both media and work display. never had burn-in or any other issues with it.

[@OC.TINYYY]

Man, that is a lot of dead pixels. That would drive me nuts.

[@Neph-v5r]

My LG C1 arrived yesterday, i'll be setting it up over the next couple of days. The burn in issue did worry me to start with but I've seen very few cases of it actually happening to people. I'll be using the C1 for different things such as gaming (maybe 20% of the time), image editing as astrophotography is my other hobby & watching films, Netflix etc. This is why I decided on a TV rather than just a high end monitor, I'll be keeping all my desktop icons on a separate monitor so there wont be any constant static icons on the OLED. I'm looking for all the info I can find on using the C1 with my new PC build so thanks for the content & i've subscribed to the channel :)

[@GanymedeXD]

I have an oled screen in my HP Spectre laptop and no problems with retention or burn in. My A90J at times I use as third screen … as my main pc is based in living room and sometimes flip stuff over to 83” … even though I have the issue that I fall asleep watching TV the safety options are brilliant … no retention or burn in.

[@Neph-v5r]

@@GanymedeXD Thanks for the info, that's good to hear. This will be my first OLED screen, I've always only had 1080p so I'm really looking forward to the increase in quality.

[@GanymedeXD]

@@Neph-v5r That will be an amazing step up! I was a bit nervous about all the burn in talk as well … but nothing so far … not even any retention and I had several ‘accidents where I woke up in the morning and it eas on static pic as the screensaver did not realise I was sleeping … nothing being watched … but I activated pixel shift, have the idle timer and screensaver … after a certain time I must give the all good still watching, Netflix does it as well … and if a program like Netflix switches off as no feedback the Sony screensaver pops on … so all good … the C1 is brilliant … was torn between c1 and A90J … but as DTS fan the Sony offering passthrough and me being a Sony guy since the early 90s with a Sanyo, Philips and Samsung disaster in between stick to Sony … but was damn close this time …

[@hendrikmarais9092]

Good to know! I got the C1 48 and your previous videos reassured me before I bought. It’s been almost a year and still no issues with mine. For Mac users, an app called Magnet does more or less the same as Fancy Zones. Lastly, would you mind sharing the name or a link to your monitor arm?

[@RepublicofGamersJ]

Looks like a white Ergotron HX!

[@tan.91]

thats the thing tv's are so underated when it comes to using them as pc monitors, ive been using a 42" tv as a monitor for the last 7 months or longer and honestly it was the only thing i had laying around my house that i could use for my pc, ive even gone as far as using a surround sound system for audio to because it makes gaming and watching movies ect so much better when they are on a big screen with surround audio, just today i brought my partner a 24" tv for her setup just because i know how good they are to use, id definitely recommend using a tv rather than an actual pc monitor

[@DuBB900]

I’ve been looking into getting the LG c2 or c1 as my main screen for gaming. I’m leaning towards the c1 as the c2 doesn’t have that many more features but definitely has a big price tag. Any input or thoughts? Love the content

[@SiFFon-h2j]

Дуб он есть Дуб

[@AdityaWaghmare]

Thanks a lot for telling about 'Region to share'. This has been a problem in my monitor setup when sharing content on teams or anydesk as my resolution is much higher and causes remote viewer to have hard time seeing the screen.

[@francescob.3019]

funny that monitors today are so bad people go buy TVs to use as monitors

[@seanmcbay]

LCD monitors have always been bad if you care about motion.

[@petergibson2318]

You mean modern TVs are so good they can be used as monitors.

[@cliffweatherbee6914]

It's not that they're bad, they're just as expensive (or more so) than a decent TV

[@sedixo5962]

Which window manager are you using?

[@frisbfreek8434]

If you can add some viewing distance (with either a deeper desk or a keyboard tray) I would highly recommend going bigger to a 65” 8K TV. I went with the QN800A and it is an awesome productivity experience, with super clear text when using 200% scaling.

[@vladg5216]

They don't make 8k OLEDs. A 4k OLED is still better than an 8K LED. Quality of image trumps resolution every time.

[@frisbfreek8434]

@@vladg5216 We all have different preferences, but I would personally take 8K for productivity + no auto dimming + no burn-in risk over a 4K OLED, particularly when I don't usually work in the dark.

[@tyler7356]

I've recently been considering switching my monitor for an OLED. Thank you for this video.

[@Ritermann]

Burn-In: The very fact that you say things like "... and only notice it If,..." is clear sign that yes, it IS BAD. Or other people saying things like "it only bothers, if... otherwise its totally okay". Stop making up excuses. Just tell it how it is. What is it with you people trying to convince totally strangers of some product? :/ also, making any kind of "Burn-In tests" after two years is a joke. :D

[@deedd4401]

been using the 42" over 15 years now... and am considering getting oled for upgrade.. this baiscally answered all my questions :) thanks

[@colors6692]

"Nearly two years later and I still sound so depressed..."

[@denisy.392]

David, what leg are you using for that TV?

[@jairgs]

LATENCY... anyone? main reason why TVs are not used as monitors.

[@ben079329]

Oleds inherently have near 0ms latency (see some reviews from hardware unboxed)

[@Youbadouba]

Bro, OLED !!

[@mochmaster45]

at 4:42 and a little onward, how did you paint across multiple zones like that?

[@Lee-e]

@David Zhang - There is a new monitor in town; with totally a different aspect ratio: 16:18. I just wonder what you think about it. LG 28MQ780-B 28-inch 16:18 DualUp Monitor with Ergo Stand and USB Type-C It is like 21.5" two monitors stacked on top of one. This monitor is the only monitor with maximum vertical height. Yes, we could flip a 32" 4K monitor vertically to get this, but still, that's not normal as the RGB panel would be flipped too, causing readability problems. And also, the height of the monitor is almost the same as the 40"inch OLED TV. So, the dual setup of this type of monitor could be better than the famous dual setup of MKBHD - Marques Brownlee. Also, PPI is 140. So, no more pixels.

[@andrew2272kag]

My cx has started developing these. Got it summer 2020, it ran the hr long autorefresh about a month ago. It's never been used as a pc monitor, only for films and gaming, and it's been babied, so no long term statics, no direct sun, etc. There's scattered dead pixels on top and bottom border and some dead clusters too.

[@melodieux8695]

me too after 3 years

[@99xara99]

The one thing I come back to is wow - that text and UI look TINY on there! Honestly I just switched back from a 1440p 27" screen to my old 24" full HD in combination with an even older 2:3 full HD and I am *relieved* because my eyes could not get used to the text being this small! And scaling kinda defeats the purpose.

[@flightsimdeskuk]

But 1080p at 24" is the same size pixels as 4k at 48". If you sit at the same distance as you do with a 24" then the pixels will look the same. Of course you will have to move your head around if you decide to move windows off centre, but you have the same issue with multiple monitors.

[@geegigaga3370]

Love your honest opinions. On the fence about picking up a 48" OLED myself coming from a 34"UW VA.

[@SirAreve]

Thanks for this, I've been contemplating my next display and this video has made it a lot easier

[@noaglverbodentoegang]

Keep your eye on Qled monitors and tv's. Still trying to asses myself how these are on the longer use, but they look promising .

[@zaheedhasib]

Hey, you are back. This is great. Keep up the fantastic work.

[@KillerDeadXero]

sweets! i'm glad you updated because i'm always curious on committing on doing your set up. it really all makes sense on how you do everything. only variable for me is my desk set up and bedroom set up.

[@eduardtee]

Good to see that you are still uploading video's!

[@apocalipto3343]

Good morning, what is the name of the extension you have in Chrome to be able to see the videos in a full window? 🙏

[@ivanninkovic182]

A good, to-the-point, informative video with some useful tips. Kudos, man.

[@Cooper3312000]

My older B6 55in OLED has many of those black ink looking dots/dead pixels contacted LG and they refunded me the full price I paid years back as I live to far out of service area and was under LG Premium Care. Knowing this I will always buy LG in the future.

[@DM-rc4yu]

The ultrawide setup that you show looks a lot more usable. It seems the additional height would be very rarely used for work.

[@LLyra-vp1od]

Excelent review after two years!!