OLED vs 1,196 Zone LCD Dimming - What Looks Best?

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OLED vs 1,196 Zone LCD Dimming - What Looks Best?
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[@TAP7a]

Watching this on a phone, wearing not-perfectly-clean glasses, I think I'm probably depriving myself of the full impact of these videos

[@A-A-Ron17]

Yeah, I don’t think you can ever gauge monitor quality performance and comparisons from another screen unless it’s superior to those being demonstrated in every aspect. Thought that this morning while watching a 144hz v 240hz v 360hz comparison on a 60hz tv.

[@who_what]

Aren't most phones actually pretty good displays? They're usually oleds with a high peak brightness no?

[@A-A-Ron17]

@@who_what yeah, most will have oled with good HDR, so for image comparison it’s probably good. But for refresh rate they’ll cap out at 60-120hz

[@ianharris3502]

Your phone likely has an oled screen, so that's precisely where you should be watching a video like this. Just clean your glasses, bro

[@JuztBillz]

My phone is the only oled screen I own😂

[@kallestofeles]

13:16 - that bloom from the jumping balls really jumped out for the FALD.

[@fredsas12]

Watching this on my Philips 75 PML9506 living room HTPC display. This TV is also a mini led type with over 1000 dimming zones and I can definitely see the raised blacks levels and slight blooming on the MLED side by side examples. Great video. Always enjoy watching your insights.

[@Gc7788m]

Great detail highlighting these monitors' differences. Thank you

[@b1lleman]

Missing one test here. Dragging a window quickly over a black desktop background. That would quickly show any local dimming limitation (from experience on a miniLED)

[@e21big]

Likewise there's basically no testing on bright highlight of a relatively large object at all. Showing fire scene from Mad Max or big explosion and you can very quickly see the limitation of OLED highlight weakenss. Overall, the test here's already heavily favour OLED technology.

[@sadman.saqib.zahin01]

@@e21big because when tallying up all the benefits and disadvantages, OLED is miles ahead of the competition. It's not the best in every way, but it's weaknesses are much less botherable compared to the weaknesses of LCD. I don't even keep my OLED's brightness to the maximum because I hate eye searing highlights. But the lack of infinite contrast and truly vivid colors of LCD is a much more botherable weakness.

[@socialreport2836]

@@sadman.saqib.zahin01 It's not true. In bright scenes the colors are more vivid and better in mini led LCDs, OLEDs simply don't have the brightness to have those colors. In QN90B, for example, 52% color volume, OLED C2 only has got 34% color volume 10000 cd/m2 (rtings), so more colorful are mini leds. In quite dark scenes OLEDs are the best, in bright scenes or relatively bright ones mini led LCDs are the definite winners. Overall we watch brighter scenes than darker ones, so for TVs (especially for sport channels) mini led TVs are preferrable. Watch side by side TV comparisons. Right now only truely QD-OLEDs can compete with mini leds.

[@naththoau]

@@socialreport2836 Most of TV show and movie are always sRGB/BT.709 in SDR mode, it is totally unnecessary to have BT 2020 or DCI-P3 because both BT.2020 and DCI-P3 are only reserved for HDR mode. Modern TV can display at least up to 100% gamut coverage for sRGB and BT.709 especially IPS and volume can reach up to 150% in sRGB and BT.709. It will never achieve to reach 100% in BT.2020 unfortunately for HDR, they still have got a long way to go. All LCD tv either TN, IPS and VA always have backlit or edgelit on at all times, the only blocking the light out is the twisting of Liquid Crystal depends on if it is IPS or VA or TN. So it will still display greyish in black level. The only OLED TV has self turn off each pixel so you have true black. You are not correct, the only most accurate brightness measurement is at 9% or 10% windows size, thats it. If it is still achieving high numbers of few hundreds nit from OLED then that is still bright enough, the only brightness gets reduce if you have bigger windows of white to protect OLED from burn in because of automatic brightness limiting kicks in. VA does get hot and still does have burn in risk (but much less risk than OLED) and ABL will still kick in. IPS has a lot less burn in risk than VA as IPS does not get hot. To me OLED and VA tv must have decent cooling system to help reduce burn in risk. The old Panasonic Plasma my dad has had a decent cooling system to keep cool and does not get too hot so it reduce burn in risk to plasma tv, it last over 15 years and not even a single failure, that was truly impressive! The only fault we had was flashing of red fringe, it means the hardware in TV was starting to wear out when it is on hot day in summer, unfortunately. So we sold it to someone who is keen and able to repair it themselves, you will never get it fixed at shop in Australia anymore due to Plasma is already phased out and discontinued.

[@sadman.saqib.zahin01]

@@socialreport2836 the person above explained the technical details so as to why, when watching media materials, LCD does not have any noticeable upper hand. And I would also like the add the side-by-side real-life comparison of OLED vs LCD to drive home the point. If you're watching the same content in an OLED and another LCD tv, the colors and contrasts on the OLED will infallibly look better to majority of the people. You can even watch this comparison test on KZbin, if you can't arrange that setup in real life.

[@wojciechszmyt3360]

With your videos topic progression, is it fair to guess that the next vid is going to be a comparison between QD OLED and classic OLED? :) May be interesting! I think it would be valuable info for the viewers, whether it's worth to splurge the cash for the cutting edge tech of QD OLED.

[@clownavenger0]

Prices are fairly similar

[@Skylancer727]

That's what I was thinking as the colors on the QD LCD showed more colors in areas than the LG OLED. Things we know the QD-OLED do better.

[@HanmaHeiro]

Could you provide links to the videos used for this comparison? I know the first is "The Black" video from LG but I don't know the second video with the red light bulb at 13:20. Thank you.

[@xcom9648]

You will not be able to spot the difference due to youtube compression, and both give pretty much a perfect image.

[@LaylaGW]

Would be interested in motion, especially with video games. Been playing Elden Ring a bit, and it frequently has point sources of flaming sparks flying through the air. Be curious to see how well each monitor does with that in a night scene with camera movements. Basically pixel response times with the backlight or something like that.

[@marrow94]

Those effects in HDR are incredible, near the end of the game they become more intense and with a good TV or monitor those sparkles really pop out of the screen, seems almost 3D.

[@Bigburgy]

Your comparisson videos are just perfect. thanks for this great work.

[@TechLevelUpOfficial]

Good content as always Tim, next up try explaining the color performance in your testing. Or maybe try to explain the whole segments of the reviews you usual make, a lot of people still don't get some numbers like delta E and stuff like that, just like you did with the response time heat map.

[@shahrukhwolfmann6824]

Burn-in issue is why I avoid investing in an OLED panel RN. NEO G7 is the best choice available for content consumption of course. And for content creation we have Steve's favorite the MPG321UR-QD from MSI which HUB dubs "the productivity beast"! So until OLED's burn-in issues get solved out, we have MPG321UR-QD for content creation and the NEO G7 for content consumption. Thanks for the monitor recommendations Tim, much appreciated.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

The Tim/Voiceover Tim dynamic duo have put out another superb video. The G7 did very well! Would definitely be satisfied with that level of performance compared to what I have, at least until LED tech matures more (and comes down in price). Cheers!

[@1Aquadon]

Thanks Tim... cant wait for 42" QD-OLED for color vibrancy/saturation boost... hopefully next year!

[@donkeysunited]

Hi. Is that different to the LG C2 ?

[@donkeysunited]

Never mind, I was misinformed. I had previously read a review of the C2 that said it had a Q-OLED monitor but that was wrong.

[@Skylancer727]

I'm hoping for a 27-32 inch 4K display to replace my old PG27UQ. Though really hope newer monitors also have dynamic tone mapping like this one has. Most of the time I honestly prefer to use dynamic tone mapping over actual HDR. It's just more consistent and gives the same peak brightness as in HDR. Final Fantasy 7 for example turing on real HDR looked basically identical besides the menu looking grey instead of blue. That means the fake HDR was actually more accurate ironically as every other Final Fantasy game has that more blue menus in it.

[@1Aquadon]

@@donkeysunited Yes.. so far there are only 2 QD-OLED TV's (Sony A95K & Samsung S95B and 1 or 2 monitors ..cant remember Model#'s that have QD-OLED) but next year should open this up a bit both in TV sizes & monitor options as well... hopefully LG will have some QD-OLED offerings!

[@donkeysunited]

@@1Aquadon Thanks!

[@iwanjirkuw8596]

WOW! THX FOR OVERWHELMINGLY DETAILED REVIEW! 👍

[@tf_8435]

It would be great if you reviewed the Samsung 43” QN90B. An alternative to the LG C2 42” if you are afraid of OLED burn in.

[@KlabauterManiac]

Watching this on my new LG C2 42. Best viewing experience i've ever had.

[@RemusKingOfRome]

Great test, very informative.

[@WaffleCake]

Really appreciate HU making a dedicated channel for monitors.

[@teamtechworked8217]

The best part for me is that monitors like these make the lower end lcd monitors continue to go down in price to the point where you can get a 27 inch IPS 165 hz monitor for under 250 for a decent monitor. I just picked up the x27q and waiting for delivery. Hope its as good as Tim said it was ;)

[@Mat-hr1dg]

Yeah, it also shows what insane margins were made on individual monitors

[@beni5149]

I picked up a g8 for 400€ I used to use ips but the amount of dead pixels and stuck pixels along with the horrible contrast and backlight bleed just put off ips for me I switched to a Samsung va and even though it had more ghosting and the viewing angles where worse i just found the va experience much better

[@AaronGoodTimes]

I just want a 32 inch 4k 144Hz monitor with excelent motion, no blooming, no burn in, and wide/accurate colour gamut. Please make manufacturers do it Tim.

[@JoeBlow-ub1us]

The Neo G7 is a very good choice in those parameters. I mean these tests are looking at their flaws through a microscope. A perfect monitor just isn't a realistic expectation, even at the high end. $800 for the neo g7 is a good deal. I'm starting to lean towards it myself over the OLED options but LG should be releasing a 32 inch oled Q1 next year.

[@alucard0712]

really appreciate your work!

[@DarkionAvey]

VA+ local dimming is perfect balance between price, availability, longevity, and contrast.

[@inceptionsd]

Too bad its smearing in darker transitions.

[@Elc22]

This is really helpful in understanding what the difference is between the oled and the high count local dimming zone LCD screens. Watching this video on a nice phone screen helps a lot. Higher end phones all tend to have OLED with high max brightness screens.

[@dariomladenovski7047]

just keep in mind that all of this content is OLED demo's and the minLED still held pretty well but if you put on some brighter content you'll see the miniLED wipe the floor with the OLED, ABL will kick in and the OLED will look dim and bland

[@TheNyayko]

WHAT A DIFFERENCE !!!! THANKS MAN

[@lukashavel7690]

Well you did what you could extremely well! Thank you for it. ;) Now I will just wait for some HDTVtest reviews to do the rest.

[@luckystrike656]

I would love to see a side by side comparison between a top oled/qled TV and an older panel

[@Kiwi-9381]

Early for these incredible production quality videos! Keep up the amazing work, my favourite channel for tech stuff .

[@altoroos]

Great job at creating and presenting such a difficult topic/comparison to present via KZbin - Keep up the Excellent Work!

[@bliglum]

Even with a million zones, there will still be a slight blue/grey push to the warm dark colors (dark browns and reds especially). 16:55 is one example, with the blue tint of the backlight bleed turning the red paint slightly purple/pinkish. 18:50 is another, with all that dark blue tinted bloom around the red Christmas lights... There's also the slower pixel switch times.. But, if burn in is a concern. The LCD will surely beat the OLED there..

[@SamanthaVimes177]

Okay but I'd love to see side by side of the James Webb Telescope imagery 😍

[@halrichard1969]

Thank You Tim. You are Numero Uno, when it comes to monitor testing and review. Please keep us posted on new Q OLED monitors. I really want to buy one.

[@Tsenngu]

Very interesting comparison. I went for the LG since i already had the "old" G7 32 inch and i wanted to go both bigger in addition to 4k. Of course for me the difference was insane from the old G7 but i am actually missing the agressive curve. Getting used to flat again now but that curve was immensly immersive :)

[@mjsmjs2765]

I’m thinking about going for the Neo G7, but the curve really worries me as I’ve only ever had flat. Does it take some getting used to?

[@Tsenngu]

@@mjsmjs2765 It took me only like 2 days cuz i ended up loving the curve. So it is individual but more immersive if you ask me.

[@robhewitt5640]

@@Tsenngu what has the better picture out the two in your opinion?

[@FrankC656]

Great comparison! I just need a 27 inch neo g7

[@NotHimJim]

Hold on... there's a monitors unboxed as well as hardware unboxed?! Mind blown! .......... Subscribed.

[@danw7864]

It’s interesting how different some of the colors look.

[@fushmontor2208]

Very good content keep it up compare qd-oled & Oleds with cheap TV's to understand if it's really worth it or those black levels & extra brightness worth the extra buck

[@jameswhite5324]

I've been considering a Samsung 43 inch qn90b as a pc display. It would be helpful to those of us shopping early for Christmas if you could add this tv to your review list. It only has 720 dimming zones compared to the G7's 1196, and it's a larger panel. Is the comparative blooming performance really noticeable in a constantly moving gaming scenario? And do monitors work as well with movies and general content? Thanks for any advice and love both your channels

[@beni5149]

The qn90b has 360 dimming zones bud

[@kingplunger6033]

now the lcd tech just needs to be a little cheaper and I would instantly buy one, so I can use the same monitor for work stuff and gaming. the very minor difference is just not worth the burn in risk

[@Batman-bh6vw]

Kind of my thinking as well. When I buy a premium product, I'd rather not worry about how I am using it.

[@arijit276]

Burn in is not a problem now days. It got solved since 2019 with built in screen burn avoidance features.

[@e21big]

Processing is very important for the current gen mini-LED I think. Said this many time but the QN90B tv perform similarly to this monitor when game mode is on, but it performs significantly better when using full processing power of a none movies mode (which would be a more apple to apple comparison to C2 which is also a TV and benefit from TV processing)

[@marrow94]

I agree, on my QN90A I use Filmmaker mode for games a lot, it's perfect when the game is more cinematic like Yakuza and you don't need that instant input lag.

[@siruspan]

Good comparison but I think you missed 2 things. One is that neo g7 have less accurate eotf tracking so sometimes when lcd have brighter highlights its actually less accurate then oled. Other thing with letterboxing you also should check this feature with added subtitles.

[@Michael-Ray]

Can't wait for your new channel CPUs Unboxed 😅

[@Jeges420]

Good video for drinking game. Take a shot whenever you hear Tim say "here" 😁🍻

[@coleevans2487]

It would have also been nice to see webpages and text right next to one another

[@falmatrix2r]

I wonder, is the LG 38GN950 still worth it at $900 or should I just wait for at least a mini-LED panel?

[@bambideluxe]

Do you have links to the HDR demo videos you use so we can compare with our own monitors?

[@VelcroSnake93]

I don't suppose a 27-28" version of the Odyssey Neo G7 or G8 is coming out at some point? I like what I see from it, but 32" is too big for me as far as a computer monitor goes.

[@samh5886]

Increasing number of zones help but the algorithm/processing is still more important. Sony TVs ' full array solution do very well compared to it's peers (that has alot more zones) and with less glitches, especially when face with challenging scenes and motion. Stationary pattern doesn't show this aspect. Nothing still beats OLED of course I til microled become smaller/cheaper.

[@potatoes5829]

Definitely a massive difference -someone watching from a TN panel

[@1712sid]

Have you thought about recording in HDR ? Would give a better idea of the performance of these monitors

[@AllTracTurbo]

Do all OLEDs have grays that look blue or is it just an issues with this display? I don't know if you mentioned it since I skipped through some of the video, but every time gray was shown, the LCD looked natural and the OLED looked blue. At 23:02, there are two guys wearing black shirts on the LCD, but they look blue in the OLED. There are more examples at 9:19, 11:12, 11:21, and 13:16.

[@markjacobs1086]

LG OLED is rather cold by default. You can fix that by selecting a warmer picture profile.

[@andrey7268]

4:29 Brightness waves on the G7 shown by the camera probably means the monitor is not flicker-free, at least not on low brightness.

[@djayjp]

You need to include a subtitle test, Tim!

[@charaznable8072]

How good is the latency of the local dimming? You can have as much zones as you want but if the local dimming lags it kind of ruins the HDR gaming quality.

[@oxfordsparky]

Instant to the eye.

[@ILAN.Y]

I have a PG35VQ with 512 zones and I love it. I do notice the local dimming sometimes in HDR content but in the vast majority of cases it's very good and unnoticable for me, and due to OLED having burn-in risks I will stick to LCD for now.

[@Raivo_K]

This. While more zones is good it is slower in latency compared to per pixel dimming on OLED. If im not mistaken the latency is higher just because local dimming is enabled. It does not have to be in active use (ie viewing HDR content). I hope manufacturers address this and make it faster in terms of latency cost.

[@atrium12]

@@Raivo_K probably unnoticeable to most people

[@socialreport2836]

It's practically unnoticeable for a human eye but for PC input lag it will increase ms. For online shooters the local dimming can be switched off.

[@hinatashoyo2999]

Do this again !! G7 has a new update! And is even better now

[@notimeforspace2477]

What changed? Is G8 better than G7?

[@Kcducttaper1]

Both of these monitors look magnificent on my 12 year old HP LCD!

[@schnup2000]

im still for LCD dimming in monitors but for tvs im all about the oled tech. i think there is no simple answer to this. I personally just dont want any long term issues with my monitor (burn in for example) and therfore oled just isnt an option. but lcd dimming just got so good that for gaming aspect i think you dont need anything better than that. But when it comes to watching contet like movies im into oled for that because its just the best contrast you can get which makes for a awesome watching experiance. im thinking about buying a 32" Neo g7. and i think i wont regret it

[@patricktho6546]

Putting the number of pixels as dimming zones to compare with the LCD would have been awesome.

[@FatheredPuma81]

I assume HW Unboxed is fine with people using significant portions of their videos without mentioning or linking to their video correct?

[@noelnarayan6135]

Love C2, but I am getting tired of the aggressive ABL on high APL scenes, high APL sorts of scenes is where the miniLED look better, not every scene has to be dark, what about bright open world games, the aggressive ABL dimming from OLED tech is kind of annoying, otherwise they are perfect displays. Its definitely a hard choice still. But anyways, thank you so much for these in depth monitor reviews and comparison, will be donating to you guys soon :) in hopes these sorts of videos and reviews will continue to release in the future!

[@MistyKathrine]

If you don't mind voiding your warranty, you can get the service remote (like $10 online, if that) and disable the ABL.

[@ondrejsobek6565]

@@MistyKathrine No, you cannot. What you can disable via the service remote is ASBL (automatic STATIC brightness limiter) = slow dimming over time when there's very little happening on the screen (like typing something in Word). ABL (automatic brighness limiter) is a characteristic of the OLED panel and cannot be changed in any way. I have owned the 42C2 for a couple of weeks now and I think it's single handedly the best PC gaming display you can buy right now (imho better than Alienware QDOLED), but your statement about disabling ABL is factually incorrect.

[@RainboomDash]

@@MistyKathrine what you can disable is Temporal Peak Luminance Control (if the average picture level doesn't change enough, it'll dim down over time until it detects a significant enough change) and Global Sticky Reduction (TPC and GSR for short) GSR is for when there's static elements on the screen it dims the whole screen a bit (separate from the logo dimming in user settings) you can NOT disable ABL... only the two ABSL algorithms I mentioned

[@MistyKathrine]

@@RainboomDash I thought that's what you said, but clearly I was too tired when I was replying... XD I purposely dimmed my screen by setting the OLED pixel brightness to 35 and that's still plenty bright for monitor use, and I don't even notice the ABL anymore. I also use a firefox plug-in called "dark reader" and set contrast to max which makes most of the white space on websites pure black, which I actually think works really well for sites like KZbin since it's actually black instead of grey like their dark mode setting.

[@RainboomDash]

@@MistyKathrine yeah, I use dark reader and turn contrast setting up as well May be less easy on the eyes but it's too ugly without lol

[@DontFuckWitDreDay]

Neo G7 wins because no risk of burn in and also 165hz vs a max 120hz ability from the C2.

[@deepak9212]

Is there any link to the Christmas light scene video? I want to check my own Neo G7 for blooming.

[@Airwave2k2]

Not having an HDR Monitor watching a comparison of HDR content always raise the question in me; do I really see the difference. Yeah you kinda see a difference, but would it be more visible if you had one of these monitors to begin with.

[@HCGonzalezJr87]

You are core, it won’t be as apparent. I have a 77’ OLED and since my black levels are good, I can see all of the LCD haloing. Watching on an LCD would give you the “crushed blacks” issue where your panel is incapable of displaying the true source material and it will just blend/normalize the two things you’re trying to compare. Watching on a VA might help.

[@cl4ster17]

This is SDR content and viewing this on an HDR monitor makes the differences only barely more visible.

[@muizzsiddique]

Watch it on your phone? (nvm, video isn't available in HDR)

[@danielparks9035]

From experience any HDR 400 monitor will look exactly the same really. You need to have HDR enabled and either local dimming or OLED to notice a difference. I have had both a FALD panel and OLED and I prefer the look of the OLED. But FALD panels are still great since they can't burn in (easily), are cheaper, and also can be much brighter so they work great in rooms with a lot of natural light.

[@vapour_focus]

Johnny from "The Fast Show" watching oled: It's... black... BLACK! BLAAACK!!!!

[@bradmorri]

Red channel on the LCD screen has a lot of clipping and the gamma of image is overall brighter. the White balance was different, the LCD much warmer than the oled and likely the cause of the clipping. If the LCD WB and clipping were calibrated to avoid the clipping match the gamma, I think that most of the criticisms would be reduced or non existent suggesting that the differences are more a consequence of the out of box calibration settings rather than the underlying tech. Even with the different calibrations, the LCD put up a remarkable showing given the constraints of the technology

[@robertlawrence9000]

Only if LCD manufacturers of 4k panels put another LCD just for backlight control behind the 4k panel, it would really help on the blooming problem. Even just a cheaper 1920 x 1080 panel for backlighting would significantly help. Of course processing for response time would come into play. Myself, I like the concept of OLED but the burn in and image retention issues I worry about and a good LCD is more worth it to me. Another thing, I don't know much about the Odyssey G7 but I have watched reviews of the C2 and the C2 color accuracy is off in a lot of ways compared to other models. Also if you want to use the C2 with retro systems, the C2 has processing problems with lower resolutions and formats.

[@technosurfer92]

What you describe sounds a lot like Dual Layer LCD tech. It does exist and works wonders, but the cost to manufacture is very unfavorable in the fiercely competitive consumer market. Hisense tried to market a Dual Layer LCD TV for consumers, but it was shortly discontinued, most likely because OLED TVs are so affordable anyway. Dual Layer LCDs are only really available for reference/mastering monitors for professionals, where the peak brightness of dual layer LCDs is valued despite their insane price tag. As for color accuracy, the out-of-the-box colors are bad because those TVs are using an absurdly high color temperature (way above the 6500K standard). The average person is easily tricked into thinking that a cooler color temperature looks "better" than a warmer one, even though the warmer color temperature may be more accurate. Because of this human bias towards cooler tones, any TV that chooses to display accurate colors will be at a major disadvantage at a TV store when they're being compared side-by-side. This is one of the reasons why "HDR Filmmaker Mode" in TVs exists, as it's a push by the film industry to make color accuracy marketable to the consumer. In an ideal world, all TVs in a showroom should use Filmmaker Mode, but it's not gonna happen as long as outrageous color temperatures sell more TVs at the store.

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

Both technologies are good for certain use cases.

[@tresnugget]

Man the G7 and G8 handles blooming so much better than the PG32UQX

[@riba2233]

of course, va compared to ips.

[@tresnugget]

@@riba2233 touche

[@lebigmac74]

What is wrong with that pink powder @14:03 ? On the Neo G7 the pink is totally blown out and I'd say this is by far the scene with the biggest differences between the two, therefore I'm quite surprised that wasn't mentioned at all.

[@AdastraRecordings]

I cranked my Asus up to see if I could notice the difference, it's night and day, the red hue reproduction on the VA is awful compared to the OLED, do you happen to know what the screen bit depth is on these monitors? My VG27A is only 8bit with dithering but those reds are really not good on the G7.

[@rneth744]

How about an HDR versus SDR comparison?

[@salami_yt]

wat

[@Junior305able]

wut

[@tails2299]

Go to Best Buy

[@samgoff5289]

That is pretty stupid....especially because you would only see the difference if you were watching with an hdr capable screen...so just look at the difference

[@houssamalucad753]

@@samgoff5289 most new phones are HDR capable and will showyou the difference

[@KrazyKlutt]

The only thing that has hinders perfect blacks / infinite contrast is the human eyes, I find that there is obviously no blooming from my OLED TV but my eyes sees a blooming effect from the contrast , most notebly from pure white text on a pure black background like in this video. We need better eyes 🤩

[@soulshinobi]

After playing a picturesque space game like Eve online the LG C2 is tempting...

[@spaghettilocomotive]

Hi Tim, I was wondering if you could do us with a samsung neo g8 a solid, and look into why hdr is broken on 240hz mode in elden ring, but completely fine in shadow of the tomb raider. I need to set the monitor to 120hz in the osd to play elden ring with hdr without the image being washed out. It would be nice if more people was aware of this, so maybe samsung could fix it with a firmware update. Thanks for your hard work putting out these videos for us. :)

[@KrazyKlutt]

It's the same on my Neo G7 at 165hz. Even at 120hz the HDR more washed out than on my OLED TV. So I think it's broken in any mode. Just a bit less at 120hz

[@naththoau]

Judging by bottle with red sparkling against black I see blooming on your Odyssey which looks really bad on the top compared to my Sony TV with FALD I don't see it on the top. I think miniled with blooming is still a big issue problems for some scene, it is not perfect though!

[@nickcharitidis23]

The real question I have though: For people like me who want to have a monitor configured on a low brightness setting, is local dimming still good enough?

[@9502922]

Please make a video of tuning neo g7 to get its best output!!

[@marsovac]

Watching this on a C1... the left hand side seems native video, not camera footage of a video. That tells that you have a really good camera :)

[@bilall2572]

What i noticed, as Seen in 14:05 that the neo cant quite Display Details. I dont know If Its a setting Thing. If i lower the contrast or Auto dimming to Auto (high before), some of the Details appear again. Maybe you could Show US the beste settings for the neo? Or even compare them when the settings are the best 14:05

[@SASenglish]

One thing with oled is you can clearly see micro stuttering on blacks. But also you can see stuttering on the Christmas lights scene when they are moving across.

[@chrism6880]

The checkerboard pattern, from watching the video on my phone's oled screen, looked way better on the LCD. The white looked grey on the oled side.

[@EvilijoUK]

Watching this on IPS 1000:1 contrast monitor. Everything looks exactly the same, all shades of grey 🤣

[@brettgrey5658]

What is the local dimming and black level set at for the G7...?

[@jodiepalmer2404]

Mine is a 2010 Sanyo LCD TV 32 inch. It is overall a great TV but to heavy for it to be attached to the wall. But I'm thinking off getting a PC monitor to use for my PC. Whether 2k or 4k so I'm stuck on what to get and which is cheap with good quality settings

[@nimrodery]

Often the G7 seems to show details missing in the OLED version, and sometimes the OLED seems to show more detail. Maybe a screen capture would be a decent idea at some points in the video so we have some sort of "standard" image to compare (I'm thinking of the scene with all the LED lights at night, where some branches seem to be more illuminated on one version or the other).

[@16xthedetail76]

That is exclusive to LG. I work with monitors and TV's on every level, LG is known for crushing blacks to the point where you're missing half the image. Sony will NOT do that, sony processing will analyze the missing parts and elevate those levels and make them clear. LG is actually pretty terrible compared to sony. If you are considering a 42" OLED pick sony, they're so much better though they're more expensive.

[@nimrodery]

@@16xthedetail76 Nothing I mentioned was near black, and it sounds like a myth made up by Sony.

[@nimrodery]

@@16xthedetail76 Yeah looks like it can be fixed in a few minutes, with or without calibration. Possibly settings meant to reduce artifacts from streamed content. I'm leaning more heavily towards "rumor started by Sony."

[@gucky4717]

Watching this on an C2 42" OLED i can see the G7 has some glow where any bright object is at a black edge. Its like using a spaycan instead of a pen in paint. Yes the G7 is brighter...but always think of the artists intentions. Does he want the picture that bright? Or are the details in the dark more inportant.

[@socialreport2836]

It depends. An artist could have an intention to have 2000/4000 nits there, so G7 Neo could be a little bit closer to that intention than OLED but still not there.

[@99Ctube]

@Monitors Unboxed can you make a video about the new Win 11 HDR Calibration App?

[@emiel255]

I really hope they will make a 1500+ zones in the next 2 years or so

[@dreadpointgr96]

can you tell me the settings of the samsung?because my colours and brightness are not close to the one i see in this video.yours is more "alive"and the colours is more dence.

[@samuelkdu]

cant wait for the gaming version of the asus oled pa32dc hopefully next upgrade for the pg32uqx line

[@Arvi_The_Clown]

Does this test assume odyssey neo g7 being in in highest local dimming setting?

[@HiCZoK]

Are these both compared in HDR mode with HGIG ?

[@daemonwhite3740]

I'd love to see comparisons to your standard SDR monitor. Especially in a question of "Why should we consider HDR in the first place? Is it worth the upgrade?" Also HDR in gaming comparisons.

[@liquidsunshine697]

Even watching SDR content OLED makes the picture look so good SDR can look similar to HDR

[@RedundancyDept]

@@liquidsunshine697 Yes, I'm less and less impressed with HDR proper these days. Most SDR movies, for example, don't look noticeably worse to me, most of the time, on the same panel. But that's sort of the point; all content benefits from the fantastic contrast ratio that a good HDR panel gives you.

[@liquidsunshine697]

@@RedundancyDept I will say when I watch HDR or Dolby Vision content, especially if shot with IMAX cameras. It's pretty breathtaking

[@clownavenger0]

would be a cool video for sure but the best way i can explain it would be a light in HDR looks similar to a light IRL can while in SDR it looks like a picture on a screen. Handles bright colors allot better without washing them out.

[@daemonwhite3740]

@@clownavenger0 Yeah, I know the explanation and how it works. I've seen bad HDR content and good HDR content, where bad is like they clamped values so you lose detail in bright and dark areas. But I've also yet to see a proper side-by-side example. Stores only show the goods and I also can't trust the "Before/After" demos to be un-edited to make Before look worse than it is. Then there's also the HDR400 standard without Dimming Zones which is super garbage and Edge-lit HDR monitors for comparison. I'd expect to see black levels suck on SDR monitors, but the dynamic range difference is what I'm interested in seeing the most. Brights vs Brights, Darks vs Darks, etc.

[@whencuriositystrikes880]

9:49 the handle has a very noticeable better contrast for the OLED.

[@DrakonR]

More interested in miniLED tech for desktop usage.

[@Farming-Technology]

13:42 what is going on with the red hand on the sax player? Does it again in a few seconds.

[@Yazon2006]

Interesting thing. Most of the content mastered on IPS with fullscreen backlight. That actually means that people who adjust brightness of a sceene expect you to watch it on the same panel type etc. This demo video was mastered on OLED screen to empasize OLED benefits. But in real life I always have a feeling when I watch my Sony A90J that scenes are not bright enough. I'm a big fan of OLED technology but it's not ready for wide usage yet. Especially as a monitor.

[@tyeueyu]

Thankyou

[@jonnypanteloni]

i think oled local contrast is higher my issue is once local contrast surpasses a certain threshold, realtive color accuracy between one color and another in high frequency areas cannot match the tonal variation. it's like a powerful candy. that said, it probably is the superior technology. but for me, personally I prefer non-locally adaptive LCD because of the uniform image characteristics. If Inwatch fast motion pixel tests in an oled vs lcd, I've gotten used to a high quality IPS 100%srgb/P3 gamut panel with smooth pixel refresh and constant-on-backlight/0 flicker, or frame-rate-sync flickr. I can see myself one day being one of those people who owns a color accurate qled and a color accurate locally uniform LCD.

[@nexarath]

Honestly, as someone looking to get a G7 Neo cause I need a work/gaming setup monitor but am coming from a couch setup CX55, I was all in on the purchase up until the very last video. Not sure what happened exactly, but MAN that contrast and coloring on the C2 blows the G7 Neo out of the water in that Japanese video at the end so badly it's not even a contest. This is my problem with non-OLEDS still.. not so much the local dimming and what have you, just the vastly, vastly superior contrast on OLEDs that just makes the picture pop way more. Although, to be fair, it may also have something to do with the screen coating, as the G7 Neo afaik has a light but still matte coating, whereas the LG OLEDs are all glossy af.

[@Ryzza5]

Shame there was no game footage to determine how real world these differences would be.

[@canirunit8162]

Is it possible for lg c2 vs QD-OLED in these kind of test?