OLED vs 1,196 Zone LCD Dimming - What Looks Best?

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OLED vs 1,196 Zone LCD Dimming - What Looks Best?
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[@shahrukhwolfmann6824]

Burn-in issue is why I avoid investing in an OLED panel RN. NEO G7 is the best choice available for content consumption of course. And for content creation we have Steve's favorite the MPG321UR-QD from MSI which HUB dubs "the productivity beast"! So until OLED's burn-in issues get solved out, we have MPG321UR-QD for content creation and the NEO G7 for content consumption. Thanks for the monitor recommendations Tim, much appreciated.

[@TAP7a]

Watching this on a phone, wearing not-perfectly-clean glasses, I think I'm probably depriving myself of the full impact of these videos

[@hovhanneshovakimyan]

7:22 Non-OLED technology produces better whites, while OLED produces better blacks.

[@1Aquadon]

Thanks Tim... cant wait for 42" QD-OLED for color vibrancy/saturation boost... hopefully next year!

[@donkeysunited]

Hi. Is that different to the LG C2 ?

[@donkeysunited]

Never mind, I was misinformed. I had previously read a review of the C2 that said it had a Q-OLED monitor but that was wrong.

[@Skylancer727]

I'm hoping for a 27-32 inch 4K display to replace my old PG27UQ. Though really hope newer monitors also have dynamic tone mapping like this one has. Most of the time I honestly prefer to use dynamic tone mapping over actual HDR. It's just more consistent and gives the same peak brightness as in HDR. Final Fantasy 7 for example turing on real HDR looked basically identical besides the menu looking grey instead of blue. That means the fake HDR was actually more accurate ironically as every other Final Fantasy game has that more blue menus in it.

[@1Aquadon]

@@donkeysunited Yes.. so far there are only 2 QD-OLED TV's (Sony A95K & Samsung S95B and 1 or 2 monitors ..cant remember Model#'s that have QD-OLED) but next year should open this up a bit both in TV sizes & monitor options as well... hopefully LG will have some QD-OLED offerings!

[@donkeysunited]

@@1Aquadon Thanks!

[@fredsas12]

Watching this on my Philips 75 PML9506 living room HTPC display. This TV is also a mini led type with over 1000 dimming zones and I can definitely see the raised blacks levels and slight blooming on the MLED side by side examples. Great video. Always enjoy watching your insights.

[@DDosAndDonts]

VA+ local dimming is perfect balance between price, availability, longevity, and contrast.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

The Tim/Voiceover Tim dynamic duo have put out another superb video. The G7 did very well! Would definitely be satisfied with that level of performance compared to what I have, at least until LED tech matures more (and comes down in price). Cheers!

[@LaylaGW]

Would be interested in motion, especially with video games. Been playing Elden Ring a bit, and it frequently has point sources of flaming sparks flying through the air. Be curious to see how well each monitor does with that in a night scene with camera movements. Basically pixel response times with the backlight or something like that.

[@marrow94]

Those effects in HDR are incredible, near the end of the game they become more intense and with a good TV or monitor those sparkles really pop out of the screen, seems almost 3D.

[@kallestofeles]

13:16 - that bloom from the jumping balls really jumped out for the FALD.

[@KlabauterManiac]

Watching this on my new LG C2 42. Best viewing experience i've ever had.

[@teamtechworked8217]

The best part for me is that monitors like these make the lower end lcd monitors continue to go down in price to the point where you can get a 27 inch IPS 165 hz monitor for under 250 for a decent monitor. I just picked up the x27q and waiting for delivery. Hope its as good as Tim said it was ;)

[@Mat-hr1dg]

Yeah, it also shows what insane margins were made on individual monitors

[@beni5149]

I picked up a g8 for 400€ I used to use ips but the amount of dead pixels and stuck pixels along with the horrible contrast and backlight bleed just put off ips for me I switched to a Samsung va and even though it had more ghosting and the viewing angles where worse i just found the va experience much better

[@Gc7788m]

Great detail highlighting these monitors' differences. Thank you

[@Elc22]

This is really helpful in understanding what the difference is between the oled and the high count local dimming zone LCD screens. Watching this video on a nice phone screen helps a lot. Higher end phones all tend to have OLED with high max brightness screens.

[@dariomladenovski7047]

just keep in mind that all of this content is OLED demo's and the minLED still held pretty well but if you put on some brighter content you'll see the miniLED wipe the floor with the OLED, ABL will kick in and the OLED will look dim and bland

[@b1lleman]

Missing one test here. Dragging a window quickly over a black desktop background. That would quickly show any local dimming limitation (from experience on a miniLED)

[@e21big]

Likewise there's basically no testing on bright highlight of a relatively large object at all. Showing fire scene from Mad Max or big explosion and you can very quickly see the limitation of OLED highlight weakenss. Overall, the test here's already heavily favour OLED technology.

[@sadman.saqib.zahin01]

@@e21big because when tallying up all the benefits and disadvantages, OLED is miles ahead of the competition. It's not the best in every way, but it's weaknesses are much less botherable compared to the weaknesses of LCD. I don't even keep my OLED's brightness to the maximum because I hate eye searing highlights. But the lack of infinite contrast and truly vivid colors of LCD is a much more botherable weakness.

[@socialreport999]

@@sadman.saqib.zahin01 It's not true. In bright scenes the colors are more vivid and better in mini led LCDs, OLEDs simply don't have the brightness to have those colors. In QN90B, for example, 52% color volume, OLED C2 only has got 34% color volume 10000 cd/m2 (rtings), so more colorful are mini leds. In quite dark scenes OLEDs are the best, in bright scenes or relatively bright ones mini led LCDs are the definite winners. Overall we watch brighter scenes than darker ones, so for TVs (especially for sport channels) mini led TVs are preferrable. Watch side by side TV comparisons. Right now only truely QD-OLEDs can compete with mini leds.

[@naththoau]

@@socialreport999 Most of TV show and movie are always sRGB/BT.709 in SDR mode, it is totally unnecessary to have BT 2020 or DCI-P3 because both BT.2020 and DCI-P3 are only reserved for HDR mode. Modern TV can display at least up to 100% gamut coverage for sRGB and BT.709 especially IPS and volume can reach up to 150% in sRGB and BT.709. It will never achieve to reach 100% in BT.2020 unfortunately for HDR, they still have got a long way to go. All LCD tv either TN, IPS and VA always have backlit or edgelit on at all times, the only blocking the light out is the twisting of Liquid Crystal depends on if it is IPS or VA or TN. So it will still display greyish in black level. The only OLED TV has self turn off each pixel so you have true black. You are not correct, the only most accurate brightness measurement is at 9% or 10% windows size, thats it. If it is still achieving high numbers of few hundreds nit from OLED then that is still bright enough, the only brightness gets reduce if you have bigger windows of white to protect OLED from burn in because of automatic brightness limiting kicks in. VA does get hot and still does have burn in risk (but much less risk than OLED) and ABL will still kick in. IPS has a lot less burn in risk than VA as IPS does not get hot. To me OLED and VA tv must have decent cooling system to help reduce burn in risk. The old Panasonic Plasma my dad has had a decent cooling system to keep cool and does not get too hot so it reduce burn in risk to plasma tv, it last over 15 years and not even a single failure, that was truly impressive! The only fault we had was flashing of red fringe, it means the hardware in TV was starting to wear out when it is on hot day in summer, unfortunately. So we sold it to someone who is keen and able to repair it themselves, you will never get it fixed at shop in Australia anymore due to Plasma is already phased out and discontinued.

[@sadman.saqib.zahin01]

@@socialreport999 the person above explained the technical details so as to why, when watching media materials, LCD does not have any noticeable upper hand. And I would also like the add the side-by-side real-life comparison of OLED vs LCD to drive home the point. If you're watching the same content in an OLED and another LCD tv, the colors and contrasts on the OLED will infallibly look better to majority of the people. You can even watch this comparison test on KZbin, if you can't arrange that setup in real life.

[@TechLevelUpOfficial]

Good content as always Tim, next up try explaining the color performance in your testing. Or maybe try to explain the whole segments of the reviews you usual make, a lot of people still don't get some numbers like delta E and stuff like that, just like you did with the response time heat map.

[@wojciechszmyt3360]

With your videos topic progression, is it fair to guess that the next vid is going to be a comparison between QD OLED and classic OLED? :) May be interesting! I think it would be valuable info for the viewers, whether it's worth to splurge the cash for the cutting edge tech of QD OLED.

[@clownavenger0]

Prices are fairly similar

[@Skylancer727]

That's what I was thinking as the colors on the QD LCD showed more colors in areas than the LG OLED. Things we know the QD-OLED do better.

[@HanmaHeiro]

Could you provide links to the videos used for this comparison? I know the first is "The Black" video from LG but I don't know the second video with the red light bulb at 13:20. Thank you.

[@xcom9648]

You will not be able to spot the difference due to youtube compression, and both give pretty much a perfect image.

[@Painindaazz]

Owning a g7 neo 🤘🏻 i can twll you all its like the best decision i could do. I olay on pc and ps5 and both worlds work great and produce great visuals. The blacks are great, the colours are great👍🏻 I had a aorus fv43u before which had a VA panel too and was great too but i needed to downsize, but also the fv43u is a great monitor i can recommend if you got room for it.

[@AaronGoodTimes]

I just want a 32 inch 4k 144Hz monitor with excelent motion, no blooming, no burn in, and wide/accurate colour gamut. Please make manufacturers do it Tim.

[@JoeBlow-ub1us]

The Neo G7 is a very good choice in those parameters. I mean these tests are looking at their flaws through a microscope. A perfect monitor just isn't a realistic expectation, even at the high end. $800 for the neo g7 is a good deal. I'm starting to lean towards it myself over the OLED options but LG should be releasing a 32 inch oled Q1 next year.

[@DrakonR]

More interested in miniLED tech for desktop usage.

[@Bigburgy]

Your comparisson videos are just perfect. thanks for this great work.

[@tf_8435]

It would be great if you reviewed the Samsung 43” QN90B. An alternative to the LG C2 42” if you are afraid of OLED burn in.

[@kingplunger1]

now the lcd tech just needs to be a little cheaper and I would instantly buy one, so I can use the same monitor for work stuff and gaming. the very minor difference is just not worth the burn in risk

[@Batman-bh6vw]

Kind of my thinking as well. When I buy a premium product, I'd rather not worry about how I am using it.

[@arijit276]

Burn in is not a problem now days. It got solved since 2019 with built in screen burn avoidance features.

[@sametsamet9264]

The difference is so minimal, you won't notice if you get used to it. Meaning, it's not worth extra the price while above 800 dimming does enough.

[@Fleur_de_lis2k]

Johnny from "The Fast Show" watching oled: It's... black... BLACK! BLAAACK!!!!

[@noelnarayan6135]

Love C2, but I am getting tired of the aggressive ABL on high APL scenes, high APL sorts of scenes is where the miniLED look better, not every scene has to be dark, what about bright open world games, the aggressive ABL dimming from OLED tech is kind of annoying, otherwise they are perfect displays. Its definitely a hard choice still. But anyways, thank you so much for these in depth monitor reviews and comparison, will be donating to you guys soon :) in hopes these sorts of videos and reviews will continue to release in the future!

[@MistyKathrine]

If you don't mind voiding your warranty, you can get the service remote (like $10 online, if that) and disable the ABL.

[@ondrejsobek6565]

@@MistyKathrine No, you cannot. What you can disable via the service remote is ASBL (automatic STATIC brightness limiter) = slow dimming over time when there's very little happening on the screen (like typing something in Word). ABL (automatic brighness limiter) is a characteristic of the OLED panel and cannot be changed in any way. I have owned the 42C2 for a couple of weeks now and I think it's single handedly the best PC gaming display you can buy right now (imho better than Alienware QDOLED), but your statement about disabling ABL is factually incorrect.

[@RainboomDash]

@@MistyKathrine what you can disable is Temporal Peak Luminance Control (if the average picture level doesn't change enough, it'll dim down over time until it detects a significant enough change) and Global Sticky Reduction (TPC and GSR for short) GSR is for when there's static elements on the screen it dims the whole screen a bit (separate from the logo dimming in user settings) you can NOT disable ABL... only the two ABSL algorithms I mentioned

[@MistyKathrine]

@@RainboomDash I thought that's what you said, but clearly I was too tired when I was replying... XD I purposely dimmed my screen by setting the OLED pixel brightness to 35 and that's still plenty bright for monitor use, and I don't even notice the ABL anymore. I also use a firefox plug-in called "dark reader" and set contrast to max which makes most of the white space on websites pure black, which I actually think works really well for sites like KZbin since it's actually black instead of grey like their dark mode setting.

[@RainboomDash]

@@MistyKathrine yeah, I use dark reader and turn contrast setting up as well May be less easy on the eyes but it's too ugly without lol

[@alvarg]

even now i'd take the samsung and not have to worry about burn in, great video though, honestly you'd need an oled side by side to notice the shortcomings of the VA+ FALD

[@hinatashoyo2999]

Do this again !! G7 has a new update! And is even better now

[@notimeforspace2477]

What changed? Is G8 better than G7?

[@bliglum]

Even with a million zones, there will still be a slight blue/grey push to the warm dark colors (dark browns and reds especially). 16:55 is one example, with the blue tint of the backlight bleed turning the red paint slightly purple/pinkish. 18:50 is another, with all that dark blue tinted bloom around the red Christmas lights... There's also the slower pixel switch times.. But, if burn in is a concern. The LCD will surely beat the OLED there..

[@Eusebiugh]

Would have been nice to post the settings you used on description for the neo g7.

[@tresnugget]

Man the G7 and G8 handles blooming so much better than the PG32UQX

[@riba2233]

of course, va compared to ips.

[@tresnugget]

@@riba2233 touche

[@MetalForever895]

Good video for drinking game. Take a shot whenever you hear Tim say "here" 😁🍻

[@82Tellus]

One thing you can very clearly see a massive difference between OLED and LCD even with the best FALD is in the eyes, you know that shine/glint that eyes can have from reflecting lights, on OLED these are always strong in terms of candelas and the contrast is massive, the same eyes on an LCD simply lacks the same contrast and "punch" in bright spot/glint/glare. Another easy to spot one is a night sky/space with stars or any other scenario with mostly black and tiny strong light sources.

[@Dionyzos]

This is something I notice all the time with my OLED in games especially, Life is Strange True Colors being one example for a character driven game where facial expressions are a key factor for people who enjoy those games.

[@FrankC656]

Great comparison! I just need a 27 inch neo g7

[@WaffleCake]

Really appreciate HU making a dedicated channel for monitors.

[@Airwave2k2]

Not having an HDR Monitor watching a comparison of HDR content always raise the question in me; do I really see the difference. Yeah you kinda see a difference, but would it be more visible if you had one of these monitors to begin with.

[@HCGonzalezJr87]

You are core, it won’t be as apparent. I have a 77’ OLED and since my black levels are good, I can see all of the LCD haloing. Watching on an LCD would give you the “crushed blacks” issue where your panel is incapable of displaying the true source material and it will just blend/normalize the two things you’re trying to compare. Watching on a VA might help.

[@cl4ster17]

This is SDR content and viewing this on an HDR monitor makes the differences only barely more visible.

[@muizzsiddique]

Watch it on your phone? (nvm, video isn't available in HDR)

[@danielparks9035]

From experience any HDR 400 monitor will look exactly the same really. You need to have HDR enabled and either local dimming or OLED to notice a difference. I have had both a FALD panel and OLED and I prefer the look of the OLED. But FALD panels are still great since they can't burn in (easily), are cheaper, and also can be much brighter so they work great in rooms with a lot of natural light.

[@FatheredPuma81]

I assume HW Unboxed is fine with people using significant portions of their videos without mentioning or linking to their video correct?

[@NotHimJim]

Hold on... there's a monitors unboxed as well as hardware unboxed?! Mind blown! .......... Subscribed.

[@bilall2572]

What i noticed, as Seen in 14:05 that the neo cant quite Display Details. I dont know If Its a setting Thing. If i lower the contrast or Auto dimming to Auto (high before), some of the Details appear again. Maybe you could Show US the beste settings for the neo? Or even compare them when the settings are the best 14:05

[@Farming-Technology]

13:42 what is going on with the red hand on the sax player? Does it again in a few seconds.

[@iwanjirkuw8596]

WOW! THX FOR OVERWHELMINGLY DETAILED REVIEW! 👍

[@KrazyKlutt]

The only thing that has hinders perfect blacks / infinite contrast is the human eyes, I find that there is obviously no blooming from my OLED TV but my eyes sees a blooming effect from the contrast , most notebly from pure white text on a pure black background like in this video. We need better eyes 🤩

[@emmata98]

Putting the number of pixels as dimming zones to compare with the LCD would have been awesome.

[@QuentinStephens]

Great analysis. My takeaway from this is that 1196 zones is nowhere near enough. It's only a 46x26 or 52x23 matrix and I think we're going to need at least two zeroes on that. But it's great to see technology advance and I'm sure future monitors will be even better. BTW at 17:18 never mind the black, look at the red and pink: it's horrid on the G7.

[@oxfordsparky]

Not at all, I have a qe65qn95a that is a FLAD mini led tv and has just shy of 800 dimming zones, yes you get some haloing in tests like the white dot on a black background but in real world use it’s not even close to being an issue, what is a huge bonus over even the greatest OLED technology is the brightness, even my 2021 TV has a peak brightness of 2700nits and easily sustains well north of 1000nits if needed. That brightness gives amazing vibrancy and power to colours and allows you to view excellent HDR content even in direct sunlight which an oled simply cannot do.

[@QuentinStephens]

@@oxfordsparky I'm clearly much more demanding than you.

[@lebigmac74]

What is wrong with that pink powder @14:03 ? On the Neo G7 the pink is totally blown out and I'd say this is by far the scene with the biggest differences between the two, therefore I'm quite surprised that wasn't mentioned at all.

[@coleevans2487]

It would have also been nice to see webpages and text right next to one another

[@potatoes5829]

Definitely a massive difference -someone watching from a TN panel

[@krandeloy]

10:41 man these videos are fantastic. As a Layman THANK YOU! I most certainly would not be able to tell the difference between the two screens without them directly next to eachother. One of the other images I noticed at this point was the reflection of the honey pull, the mirrored image of the pull at the bottom of the frame, the OLED was capable of greater detail because of the contrast difference.

[@TheHighborn]

yeah. like seriously!

[@SASenglish]

One thing with oled is you can clearly see micro stuttering on blacks. But also you can see stuttering on the Christmas lights scene when they are moving across.

[@Kcducttaper1]

Both of these monitors look magnificent on my 12 year old HP LCD!

[@Ryzza5]

Shame there was no game footage to determine how real world these differences would be.

[@samh5886]

Increasing number of zones help but the algorithm/processing is still more important. Sony TVs ' full array solution do very well compared to it's peers (that has alot more zones) and with less glitches, especially when face with challenging scenes and motion. Stationary pattern doesn't show this aspect. Nothing still beats OLED of course I til microled become smaller/cheaper.

[@Tsenngu]

Very interesting comparison. I went for the LG since i already had the "old" G7 32 inch and i wanted to go both bigger in addition to 4k. Of course for me the difference was insane from the old G7 but i am actually missing the agressive curve. Getting used to flat again now but that curve was immensly immersive :)

[@mjsmjs2765]

I’m thinking about going for the Neo G7, but the curve really worries me as I’ve only ever had flat. Does it take some getting used to?

[@Tsenngu]

@@mjsmjs2765 It took me only like 2 days cuz i ended up loving the curve. So it is individual but more immersive if you ask me.

[@robhewitt5640]

@@Tsenngu what has the better picture out the two in your opinion?

[@halrichard1969]

Thank You Tim. You are Numero Uno, when it comes to monitor testing and review. Please keep us posted on new Q OLED monitors. I really want to buy one.

[@luckystrike656]

I would love to see a side by side comparison between a top oled/qled TV and an older panel

[@schnup2000]

im still for LCD dimming in monitors but for tvs im all about the oled tech. i think there is no simple answer to this. I personally just dont want any long term issues with my monitor (burn in for example) and therfore oled just isnt an option. but lcd dimming just got so good that for gaming aspect i think you dont need anything better than that. But when it comes to watching contet like movies im into oled for that because its just the best contrast you can get which makes for a awesome watching experiance. im thinking about buying a 32" Neo g7. and i think i wont regret it

[@bradmorri]

Red channel on the LCD screen has a lot of clipping and the gamma of image is overall brighter. the White balance was different, the LCD much warmer than the oled and likely the cause of the clipping. If the LCD WB and clipping were calibrated to avoid the clipping match the gamma, I think that most of the criticisms would be reduced or non existent suggesting that the differences are more a consequence of the out of box calibration settings rather than the underlying tech. Even with the different calibrations, the LCD put up a remarkable showing given the constraints of the technology

[@tomtomkowski7653]

Watching this on my old 1080p laptop.... it's like listening to the hi-tech headphones review using headphones for $5 :)

[@whencuriositystrikes880]

9:49 the handle has a very noticeable better contrast for the OLED.

[@VornameNachname-dt6qg]

14:04 what is that ok the right side? Looks terribly washed out

[@daemonwhite3740]

I'd love to see comparisons to your standard SDR monitor. Especially in a question of "Why should we consider HDR in the first place? Is it worth the upgrade?" Also HDR in gaming comparisons.

[@liquidsunshine697]

Even watching SDR content OLED makes the picture look so good SDR can look similar to HDR

[@RedundancyDept]

@@liquidsunshine697 Yes, I'm less and less impressed with HDR proper these days. Most SDR movies, for example, don't look noticeably worse to me, most of the time, on the same panel. But that's sort of the point; all content benefits from the fantastic contrast ratio that a good HDR panel gives you.

[@liquidsunshine697]

@@RedundancyDept I will say when I watch HDR or Dolby Vision content, especially if shot with IMAX cameras. It's pretty breathtaking

[@clownavenger0]

would be a cool video for sure but the best way i can explain it would be a light in HDR looks similar to a light IRL can while in SDR it looks like a picture on a screen. Handles bright colors allot better without washing them out.

[@daemonwhite3740]

@@clownavenger0 Yeah, I know the explanation and how it works. I've seen bad HDR content and good HDR content, where bad is like they clamped values so you lose detail in bright and dark areas. But I've also yet to see a proper side-by-side example. Stores only show the goods and I also can't trust the "Before/After" demos to be un-edited to make Before look worse than it is. Then there's also the HDR400 standard without Dimming Zones which is super garbage and Edge-lit HDR monitors for comparison. I'd expect to see black levels suck on SDR monitors, but the dynamic range difference is what I'm interested in seeing the most. Brights vs Brights, Darks vs Darks, etc.

[@EverydayElectronics23]

neo g8 here with a good panel and i can vouch for this monitor.i owned qdoled monitor and returned for samsung. brights are bright and colors pop off screen.

[@Nairam10]

You have no issues with visible horizontal lines on 240 hz?

[@EverydayElectronics23]

@@Nairam10 nope, none. I looked and looked and can’t find anything. I must of got a good panel and I’m glad I did cause it’s insanely good.

[@Nairam10]

@@EverydayElectronics23 Are you using AMD or Nvidia GPU - because I heard that the issue mainly appears with Nvidia...

[@EverydayElectronics23]

@@Nairam10 then that’s wrong cause I’m using strix 4090. I don’t believe what other people say. I use my own experiences. This why people get mad cause I’m not one to follow others and do my own thing

[@Nairam10]

@@EverydayElectronics23 True, I am glad you got a good panel. I will probably buy a neo g7 or 8 as well. I was just checking the chances of a bad pannel.

[@marsovac]

Watching this on a C1... the left hand side seems native video, not camera footage of a video. That tells that you have a really good camera :)

[@andrey7268]

4:29 Brightness waves on the G7 shown by the camera probably means the monitor is not flicker-free, at least not on low brightness.

[@AllTracTurbo]

Do all OLEDs have grays that look blue or is it just an issues with this display? I don't know if you mentioned it since I skipped through some of the video, but every time gray was shown, the LCD looked natural and the OLED looked blue. At 23:02, there are two guys wearing black shirts on the LCD, but they look blue in the OLED. There are more examples at 9:19, 11:12, 11:21, and 13:16.

[@MLWJ1993]

LG OLED is rather cold by default. You can fix that by selecting a warmer picture profile.

[@TheNyayko]

WHAT A DIFFERENCE !!!! THANKS MAN

[@Michael-Ray]

Can't wait for your new channel CPUs Unboxed 😅

[@e21big]

Processing is very important for the current gen mini-LED I think. Said this many time but the QN90B tv perform similarly to this monitor when game mode is on, but it performs significantly better when using full processing power of a none movies mode (which would be a more apple to apple comparison to C2 which is also a TV and benefit from TV processing)

[@marrow94]

I agree, on my QN90A I use Filmmaker mode for games a lot, it's perfect when the game is more cinematic like Yakuza and you don't need that instant input lag.

[@danw7864]

It’s interesting how different some of the colors look.

[@Kiwi-9381]

Early for these incredible production quality videos! Keep up the amazing work, my favourite channel for tech stuff .

[@Sam_Saraguy]

If there were zero burn-in risk over a 7- to 10-year timeframe with the OLED, it would win hands down. But as things stand at present, I'd go for the LCD monitor. Just can't see myself being happy living with any amount of burn-in after 3, 4 or 5 years.

[@lukashavel7690]

Well you did what you could extremely well! Thank you for it. ;) Now I will just wait for some HDTVtest reviews to do the rest.

[@soulshinobi]

After playing a picturesque space game like Eve online the LG C2 is tempting...

[@RemusKingOfRome]

Great test, very informative.

[@altoroos]

Great job at creating and presenting such a difficult topic/comparison to present via KZbin - Keep up the Excellent Work!

[@nimrodery]

Often the G7 seems to show details missing in the OLED version, and sometimes the OLED seems to show more detail. Maybe a screen capture would be a decent idea at some points in the video so we have some sort of "standard" image to compare (I'm thinking of the scene with all the LED lights at night, where some branches seem to be more illuminated on one version or the other).

[@16xthedetail76]

That is exclusive to LG. I work with monitors and TV's on every level, LG is known for crushing blacks to the point where you're missing half the image. Sony will NOT do that, sony processing will analyze the missing parts and elevate those levels and make them clear. LG is actually pretty terrible compared to sony. If you are considering a 42" OLED pick sony, they're so much better though they're more expensive.

[@nimrodery]

@@16xthedetail76 Nothing I mentioned was near black, and it sounds like a myth made up by Sony.

[@nimrodery]

@@16xthedetail76 Yeah looks like it can be fixed in a few minutes, with or without calibration. Possibly settings meant to reduce artifacts from streamed content. I'm leaning more heavily towards "rumor started by Sony."

[@reganbrannigan3006]

Now I could’ve watched this on my OLED TV but I’m sure watching it on my wet phone screen is just as good

[@robertlawrence9000]

Only if LCD manufacturers of 4k panels put another LCD just for backlight control behind the 4k panel, it would really help on the blooming problem. Even just a cheaper 1920 x 1080 panel for backlighting would significantly help. Of course processing for response time would come into play. Myself, I like the concept of OLED but the burn in and image retention issues I worry about and a good LCD is more worth it to me. Another thing, I don't know much about the Odyssey G7 but I have watched reviews of the C2 and the C2 color accuracy is off in a lot of ways compared to other models. Also if you want to use the C2 with retro systems, the C2 has processing problems with lower resolutions and formats.

[@emiel255]

I really hope they will make a 1500+ zones in the next 2 years or so

[@nexarath]

Honestly, as someone looking to get a G7 Neo cause I need a work/gaming setup monitor but am coming from a couch setup CX55, I was all in on the purchase up until the very last video. Not sure what happened exactly, but MAN that contrast and coloring on the C2 blows the G7 Neo out of the water in that Japanese video at the end so badly it's not even a contest. This is my problem with non-OLEDS still.. not so much the local dimming and what have you, just the vastly, vastly superior contrast on OLEDs that just makes the picture pop way more. Although, to be fair, it may also have something to do with the screen coating, as the G7 Neo afaik has a light but still matte coating, whereas the LG OLEDs are all glossy af.

[@theeternal417]

Simulating a C2 Oled on my C1 Oled. This is what the internet was made for.

[@TheLordstrider]

why does the Oled crushing blacks. i mean i can clearly see all the details on the G7 but on LG C2 they are way too dark.

[@EvilijoUK]

Watching this on IPS 1000:1 contrast monitor. Everything looks exactly the same, all shades of grey 🤣

[@ViralWatchMedia]

I have an astigmatism so I see bloom on both the OLED and LCD comparisons, So I cant even tell a difference hah!

[@9502922]

Please make a video of tuning neo g7 to get its best output!!

[@gamingmarcus]

The biggest difference I see is how the OLED displays nuance in the texture of facial skin and hair. Most small details and raised blacks you won't notice in moving scenes but the human features are very distinct and happen to play one of the biggest roles in immersion. See 16:20 and 16:30

[@HighIgnition]

The weirdest thing about all this HDR videos is tan in my monitor, the HDR sample videos look amazing, and when I open the same videos (youtube ones of course) they don't look any close as good as the ones on this videos!

[@djayjp]

You need to include a subtitle test, Tim!

[@thetechnerd7467]

I think Mini LED has better future for the pc market imo. Currently though Mini LED still has some work to be done

[@fushmontor2208]

Very good content keep it up compare qd-oled & Oleds with cheap TV's to understand if it's really worth it or those black levels & extra brightness worth the extra buck

[@siruspan]

Good comparison but I think you missed 2 things. One is that neo g7 have less accurate eotf tracking so sometimes when lcd have brighter highlights its actually less accurate then oled. Other thing with letterboxing you also should check this feature with added subtitles.

[@alucard0712]

really appreciate your work!

[@gucky4717]

Watching this on an C2 42" OLED i can see the G7 has some glow where any bright object is at a black edge. Its like using a spaycan instead of a pen in paint. Yes the G7 is brighter...but always think of the artists intentions. Does he want the picture that bright? Or are the details in the dark more inportant.

[@socialreport999]

It depends. An artist could have an intention to have 2000/4000 nits there, so G7 Neo could be a little bit closer to that intention than OLED but still not there.

[@efabiano82]

I ended up buying a AW4323DWF after buying a OLED gaming laptop from MSI. Even with a very capable PG35VQ the OLED just absolutely destroys a originally $2500 ultrawide monitor. It's fucking insane.

[@ViralWatchMedia]

got any screen burn yet? how are things with the monitor so far?

[@efabiano82]

@@ViralWatchMedia still highly recommend the monitor. Nothing to report negative, but being actually better than when I bought it. After getting the patch that corrected the EOTF curve for HDR1000

[@petersonfamily6223]

I am confused. The LG C2 is not using the same technology as QD-OLED Monitors. They have a different pixel setup.

[@99Ctube]

@Monitors Unboxed can you make a video about the new Win 11 HDR Calibration App?

[@Doweyyy]

I am crying out for a 4k 27 inch OLED 144+hz refresh rate PLEEEEEEAAAAAAAASE LG

[@Greysprunkiyay]

Seems silly they haven’t done it because they’d sell like hotcakes

[@Arvi_The_Clown]

Does this test assume odyssey neo g7 being in in highest local dimming setting?

[@mightyone3914]

on paper the specs of the neo g7 are superb. I used it for a week now and there are a few really annoying problems. yes black is black but its to damn dark where it should not be. I have a LG C1 so I have a good comparision. HDR has a really good POP in games but everything else just doesnt look right. Scrolling on youtube or others sites always creates a really bad dirty screen effect with HDR. And I had a really visible black line right in the middle of the screen. PS5 Games all looked way to dimm accept for the poping HDR effects. I dont know if my monitor just was faulty, overall it was a very disappointing experience. Now i have a Sony Inzone M9 and it looks so much better. The HDR is not as bright as G7 and black is not perfekt, but its so much better on the eyes with HDR always on. And PS5 looks bright and vibrant as it should be.

[@jekaufo]

Have you tried hdr calibrating g7 on ps5?

[@mightyone3914]

@@jekaufo yes I tried everything but never with a great result unfortunately

[@jamesoliver8204]

just in case you didn't know, you do have to manually set the brightness in the ps5 differently for different monitors, if you use the same hdr settings for both it won't look right. I bet you knew that already but i didn't want your experience to be ruined in the off chance that you didn't know so I thought I'd tell you.

[@jamesoliver8204]

The uniformity(black line/dse) problems on the g7 is probably why I could never live with one.

[@socialreport999]

Did you increase the G7 Neo brightness and where (through OSD or somewhere else in addition to that)?

[@deepak9212]

Is there any link to the Christmas light scene video? I want to check my own Neo G7 for blooming.

[@Delistd]

Where is the Samsung Odyssey ARK Monitor review??