Oliver Pattern Makers Vise Repair - Brazing Broken Cast Iron for Andy Rawls

Oliver Pattern Makers Vise Repair - Brazing Broken Cast Iron for Andy Rawls
Brazing a broken casting off of an Oliver Pattern Makers Vise for fellow KZbinr Andy Rawls.
Andy's video showing how he broke the vise: • I Broke a $1000 Vise t...
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[@AndyRawls]

Incredible repair Keith! I can’t thank you enough for making this happen. Thanks for sharing your talents with us!

[@rayfisher2160]

Keith before you do the next Brazeing job could you please make a perheat oven, a few fire brick & a weed burner.

[@paulcopeland9035]

@@rayfisher2160 So........what he did, didn't work?? Looked pretty good to me!

[@Jimmy_in_Mexico]

Andy, this is an awesome vise. I would love to see you reach out to windy hill foundry or something like that and ask him to replicate this piece. Then send it to ABOM and have him machine it back to perfection. This would be an awesome rebuild beyond just a repair. This repair is great, but it would be really cool if you had a replica

[@1pcfred]

@@Jimmy_in_Mexico can probably just buy a Chinese knock off.

[@Jimmy_in_Mexico]

@@1pcfred that's the problem now, I don't care to buy some Chinese knock off, I would rather see an American citizen benefit by making the part and then finish machine the product. There is a satisfaction of knowing that there are craftsmen that still want to do good work in the USA. Andy wasn't satisfied by buying a Chinese knock off vise, he wanted an original. I don't know if these are still made in the USA or if the patent is still protecting the design.

[@chrisknowles]

I watched Andy's video when this happened, and it was awesome to see how many comments recommend you to fix it for him. It just shows how close knit this community is! It's good to see this come full circle. Looking forward to seeing Andy using this vice in his next projects.

[@clydedecker765]

Love Andy. Glad you can help him. The heartbreak he demonstrated when he broke that vise was almost as much as mine.

[@belyear]

I genuinely think that brass repaired cast iron is beautiful when you can see the repair. The gold colour contrasting with the grey iron.

[@Scatt-fz3wm]

I watched the episode where Andy dropped his vice and was hoping it ended up with you to repair Keith. Awesome

[@eodhowland]

When I saw Andy drop the vise in his video, my first thought was, "I bet Kieth could fix that." I'm glad he contacted you and that you were able to save that beautiful vise!

[@barney2633]

Good work, as usual. Your videos are surprisingly calm and tranquilising. The opening music sets the scene perfectly.

[@Paul-FrancisB]

Good morning everyone, from the UK time for a coffee and a video 🍵😁

[@peterhobson3262]

You're having coffee in the UK, I'm having English Breakfast tea here in the US. But we watched the same video.

[@Hoaxer51]

Good morning from Vero Beach, Florida. I hope all of you are getting ready for a great day! TGIF, Well, when you’re retired it doesn’t mean as much. Lol

[@judebrown4103]

New subscriber from Andy's channel. My heart sank when he dropped it but was encouraged by all the helpful suggestions. Fantastic seeing how you fixed it, beautiful job and very educational. I shall watch your work as often as I can, youre a very kind and generous man. 👍

[@RandallMoore1955]

Hi Keith, I have watched you braze for years. And learning from you has worked well for me on the cast iron engines used in the Oil field. I have not had any returns. Thanks Keith for taking your time in teaching in the way a person can understand. Always a pleasure. Your friend from Ohio

[@oh8wingman]

As a Journeyman welder I have used a number of different methods of repairing and I agree with you wholeheartedly in regards to brazing versus other methods. NiRod will work but it much be done in increments and each increment must be peened immediately to overcome the shrinking of the weld filler material. Arc welding of any kind causes carbon migration to the weld zone which tends wo weaken the weldment. Brazing does not have this problem because the cast never actually melts. One thing I have noted with virtually all of the cast repairs using brazing is the lack of "searing" the cast prior to actually brazing it up. To sear the surface, you use an oxidizing flame and simply run the flame over the prepared surfaces once or twice. When you do this you will see small sparks coming off the cast iron surface. What those sparks are is the carbon granules in the cast burning away so you can achieve better brazing results. Another thing is the use of flapper wheels for grinding. Flappers are meant for polishing a ground weld. Due to the fact that a flapper is soft and pliable, it will seldom if ever take a weld down flush. You need to use a hard disk and take the weld down to just about flush and then finish with a flapper. If you don't, the flapper will deflect over the weld and leave a hump in the middle and dish out on either side of the weld. The best hard disk for this kind of work are called "Coolie Hats" or type 28 disks. These disks are not flat but in fact shaped like a shallow bowl. There is little need to angle a coolie hat to get it to cut since the angle is built in. When flushing down welds they work great because you can put them down flat on your work surface and they will only remove the high spots. Type 28 Coolie Hat Grinding disk: www.abrasivessafety.com/grinding/angle-grinders/depressed-centre-reinforced-bonded-wheels/

[@davidrussell8689]

I work in a place where there is very little engineering tradition. Cast iron brazing just isn’t known or used . People do stick weld cast but post welding cracking / cooling is always a problem . Post machining also is a problem with stick welding .

[@rogerslone6742]

New subscriber,Andy sent me over, Thanks for helping Andy out,he was hurt when the mishap occurred,he all smiles now,Great repair,

[@williamellis8993]

Great job, Keith. Thanks for helping Andy with this. I know he really appreciates what you did.

[@user3141592635]

Great video. One can also use silver-solder to coat both broken surfaces, let it cool down a bit, then apply more flux, heating and pressing the parts together. This method does not need grinding or any joint-preparation except cleaning out grease and the like. The more silver, the better, but it is common with 44% The benefit, is firstly, you preserve the geometrical dimensions better, no grinding, and the strength is not less. The silver content may scare you, but with this method, you are only using a small amount. The silver works to the solder, to make it flow and penetrate fluxed surfaces like water.

[@youtube-handle-are-a-joke]

Thanks for the tip, I do braze cast iron maybe once every 2 years and was wondering about silver. I have a new water pump that was delivered broken, I am going to try the way you describe.

[@royreynolds108]

I watched the video that showed the jaw as it fell and broke. I contacted Andy and suggested either you or Adam Boothe fix it. I am glad he took the advice. Well done. I will be watching for his video of installing the vice.

[@petermagoun7457]

High Keith. I haven't watched this video yet but, while it was on my mind, thought I'd ask for an update on the stoker engine. Love to see something that was in such poor condition rebuilt and working again. Love your channel, txn.

[@dtoad48]

The update is the bore mill is being worked on so he can work on the engine.

[@sherrieday3183]

I seen a welder use a portable buddy heater to slowly preheat cast and then rosebud. Great show

[@richardbrobeck2384]

Nice repair a friend of my father's did cast iron repairs for one our government Shipyards !

[@stephenbridges2791]

I like the addition of the plate. Very well thought out.

[@themountainraven]

As a subscriber to both channels, thumbs up for the community. Awesome 👌

[@CornishMiner]

Very nice job Keith. You are becoming quite a dab hand at brazing cast iron!

[@StubProductions]

That vise is extremely delicate with very thin castings. I’m amazed it doesn’t fail under normal use.

[@Dudleymiddleton]

Top drawer brazing, Keith you done a real good job on that, thank you for sharing!

[@Farm_fab]

Keith, speaking of rosebud tips, my dad worked for a now defunct door manufacturer many years ago, and their signature door products for architectural products were knot block doors. When pine lumber is finger jointed, the section with the knots were cut off to make more uniform products. His employer bought these by the pallet, and they selected the best from these pallets. These were about an inch thick, and were applied in various patterns on both sides and were bevelled to highlight the blocks. As they were finishing the doors, they took a rosebud tip to certain doors, and charred the surface, followed by wire brushing the doors to give them a weathered effect. The final step was Thompson's waterproofing finish. I know you do woodworking, and thought you might like this process.

[@MrDLWheeler]

great repair...and mate..glad to see you looking so healthier.

[@67cudaksa34]

Andy is one of the finest woodwokers i have ever met. with i had 10 percent of his talent

[@patbullard9276]

Keith, I’ve heard reference to your name several times on my utuber sites but this is the first time I’ve seen one of your videos. I am now subscribed and enjoyed the video. I appreciate what you’ve done for Andy Rawls and have already watched his video showing your contribution. Thanks.

[@petegraham1458]

Nice repair! I concur with the steel face decision to distribute any point loads .

[@eddiel.7770]

Nice repair, I have an Emmert pattern makers vice which I picked up out in the trash years ago. The top lip on the hinge that mounted the vice to the work bench was broken so I cut and drilled a piece of 1/4 inch thick x 2 inch angle iron and screwed it to the remains of the hinge. Worked great, love the old vices.

[@MrChevelle83]

9:50 using an oven was exactly what i was thinking right before you said it!!! Brazing is the best for most cast iron repairs Ive used it several times over the years. I had a pair of old exhaust manifolds and instead of replacing them I scrapped them flat and brazed the studs in, worked out great.

[@felderup]

gas bbq, oven, same thing.

[@richtes]

@@felderup I thought that but wouldn’t want to take my old Weber much beyond 500 f for very long. Maybe could get a smaller part higher on the ceramic with lump charcoal, but not something the size of the vise.

[@felderup]

@@richtes preheat to what it'll do, it'll also make an easy surface to put a plate on, but yeah, when i was a kid the nicest bbq's were thin sheet, now there's nice ones made of thicker stuff. there is an oldish technique of putting iron parts directly on coal, actual coal i mean, anthracite. apparently it worked like mad for keeping parts at a good temp. for a surface that has to keep flat, probably needs a buffer.

[@Zamboni-0805]

Great repair job...I am sure Andy is 100% happy with you quality of work. I am a new sub and looking forward to more of your talented work

[@HandToolRescue]

Excellent.

[@paulappelquist3491]

I dropped a bench vise and the swivel base broke in two. I put used a lot of flux and heated it in the forge until brazing rod flowed into the break. It was just like sweating copper plumbing. I was so surprised how well it worked! The vise is still in service. I can barely see the repair.

[@jonfranklin4583]

My cousin once broke his dads 4" bench vice on the outboard or moveable jaw, snapped it off at the thin point by using a large pipe wrench and beating it with a hammer. This happened on an 80' boat in Alaska where you couldn't just go replace the vice at the nearest hardware store so his dad, who was an old school mechanic that grew up using a torch, decided to braze it up. His son said no way it would ever hold and with a grin the old man said "I think it will work just fine". He brazed it up and his son tried everything he could think of to break that braze job to no avail. That was 25 years ago and to my knowledge it is still in use on that boat! Your braze job looks like it will hold up equally as well, Thanks for the lesson in brazing!

[@componenx]

I started out brazing bicycle frames in high school (after teaching myself to make repairs in Jr high), and I've never had a failure, except when loads were much too high for the joint size. The only welding I've ever done is flux core, and while it's a good process, I've had more than a few instances were the weld failed, but when I cleaned it up and brazed them instead, they held just fine. While I'm sure it's partially due to my lack of skill level, when I want a bomb-proof joint, I braze it.

[@dave6501]

Thank-you Keith that was very cool of you to do that. I hope you to both have some good collaboration coming up.

[@RobertBrown-lf8yq]

Beautiful repair on a difficult casting 👍 The strengthening plate should prevent further damage. Maybe suggest to your mate that he could spray the mating surfaces with a copper primer ( the kind used by panel beaters), prior to finally fixing the plate. Regards Robert (Sydney, Australia)

[@jodyvanliew2514]

Very nice work Keith .

[@KS-cp6bj]

I watched the fall video. It made more sense seeing the whole vise. Glad you were able to save it.

[@lauriepocock3066]

I was taught to put my thumb on top of the file, not my finger, the reason being id it locks out your wrist so easier to keep the file square, plus see how easier to hold the file horizontal

[@ApexWoodworks]

Lovely repair, Keith. Outstanding work as always.

[@robertpearson8798]

I have an antique Emmerts pattern makers vise that’s had several repairs done to it (a couple not so great) At work we have a Kindt-Collins one from the 1960’s (they bought the patterns from Oliver) that’s in perfect condition. I’m going to miss that vise when I retire soon.

[@jbratt]

Andy sent me…I didn’t know you had a channel. I’m an OWWM guy over the years (my shop is full of restored WWII era Delta machines). Great job! I’m a new subscriber.

[@adamdiaz8442]

Hi Keith awesome content my friend been a avid fan for a long while now and may I say u are looking great congrats on the wait lose hope all is well adam uk

[@WilliamTMusil]

Hiya Keith. Corner is broken on my Emert Turtle. I'm gonna watch this one quite a few times when I try this. 😀

[@jackww839]

New subscriber from Andy’s channel. When it broke I was hoping to watch a craftsman repair it. Awesome work!

[@ElmerJFudd-oi9kj]

Nice job Keith, I always love to see your repairs.

[@Jameson4327]

I knew you could fix this plate. When I seen the first video, I you were right person to be able to fix it. I’m glad he reached out to you.

[@chuckholton4666]

Beautiful repair by a guy who knows what's what! Great job😊

[@hobbyaddict9908]

Great job. Thanks for helping Andy out of a jam!!

[@TheArtofCraftsmanship]

Great job! You’re the king!

[@paulbarton397]

This a really nice tutorial

[@paulmeersa7162]

Nice work Mr. Rucker. Pre heating to cherry red is the key AND slow cooling from cherry red. Brazing is less likely to crack under these conditions than welding. So good job all-round.

[@Scott_A]

You can get silicon bronze mig brazing wire, it is magnificent. Id never heard of it til last year (i knew about gas welding silicon bronze, just not as a coil of mig wire) it is fantastic for thin materials and auto body among many other things

[@hepburn118]

Always cushion your wood, that's a life lesson right there.

[@paulatkinson2849]

Excellent job as usual Keith 👍

[@bigun447]

Wow, we are having an Oliver morning. We watch "Ross the Oliver Man" and "That Oliver guy-Chris Losey" Granted they are Oliver tractor owners, repairers, and users of Oliver farm equipment they are great KZbin presenters. Ross is an expert at Down Home humor and Chris is a study of the exact way to repair properly. If you have any interest in what is required to put food on your table you will like these channels. I believe that OLIVER was the parent company of the Oliver pattern makers vises as Oliver made many products including some railroad tooling.

[@petemclinc]

Oliver made woodworking equipment targeted to manufacturers and pattern shops.

[@bigun447]

@@petemclinc Oliver made many wood products at their Shelbyville, Illinois plant. I wonder if their woodworking equipment was a product of that. My wife's uncle had a big Oliver thickness planer. I think he and my Father In Law used it to make dimensional lumber as a byproduct of their sawmill. When my FIL suffered a stroke his memory went back to the horses he had and also the sawmill. He used to ask if we had the horses tied up securely so they would not run off with the buggy. Being an enthusiast of old farm equipment we talked about his first tractors. He talked about the locust plague where they dragged logs down the rows hoping to kill as many locusts as possible. Check row planters so they could cultivate crossways to get as many weeds as possible. He told me on one visit not to let my wife's brother-in-law drive his tractors. The funny part was the BIL was in the room.

[@jimrosson6702]

Great job amazing to watch a true craftsman at work

[@MrTexasDan]

Hey Keith, New subscriber just over here from Andy Rawl's channel. Great repair on the Oliver vise!

[@Farm_fab]

It's good to see, Keith, that the porosity of the casting didn't limit the brazing to adhere.

[@benkeller3]

As usual Keith you produced another great video. Thanks for what you do.

[@johnoliver9885]

I always cut tracks with the mini grinder edge into the vee’s to increase the overall surface area. As far as temperature you did not mention the cast iron ‘shadow’, to my simple mind the key to superior weld strength when brazing. I have also used drilled holes and tapping Allen screws into the vee pathway before brazing on really heavy cast iron pieces.

[@paulkelly1702]

Nicely done

[@user-pn1lm3pi6p]

Very nice work!

[@bcbloc02]

Another one salvaged!

[@mrgruisinge]

Watched Andy break this. At the time I thought of you to fix it. Glad he reached out to you.

[@jamesreed6121]

Nice repair on a difficult part! I was hoping you would use the old planer you restored last year. May the next project. KOKO!

[@fruitful7753]

Nickel welding rods work great, palco 606 is the machinist favorite foe repairing cast. Just preheat cast first.

[@markkaes3144]

Andy sent me - new sub. Great work 👍🏼

[@scottwilcoxson2439]

Another Vintage Machine saved from the scrapyard!

[@gg48gg]

Great video and excellent advice and walk through! Looks like you could have used a right angle die grinder. Ive got a ryobi cordless one that works great for this.

[@fsj197811]

Very cool, thanks for sharing.

[@GunnyStudio102]

KR, have not seen your videos in a while, but good as usual. thank you for the great content. Also noticed some other personal changes, hope you are doing well, and those changes are positive for you.

[@iteerrex8166]

Mr Rucker you’re looking much better, the color is back 👍

[@angieandfidelromero9343]

Yes looking healthy and fit!

[@jimrobcoyle]

TIG using phosphor bronze filler works very well

[@llapmsp]

Another awesome repair. Thanks for sharing.

[@mathewmolk2089]

I've said it before, I am not a fan or ANY cast iron repair other then oxy fuel with real cast iron rod, but you did a first class job with brass . If you have a way to get it in and out of the show (Skid Steer in our case) you can't beat a charcoal pit outside for preheat and slow cool. - We do have a stress relief furnace but even on really big parts (Hundreds of pounds) we tack it up with ni rod and put the part in the bed of charcoal and cover it with more charcoal and it heats just as good or better then the programmable furnace. When when the welding is done. it gets burred in more hot charcoal again and covered with fiberglass insulation and a steel plate if it's going to rain. and left there for 24 or more hours. (BTW THe ni rod gets ground out during welding and filled with cast iron. ,,,,,, After machining/grinding you have an undetectable repair with total color match and properties as the rest of the part. But one more time, Kieth. Great repair. You are getting better and better with the brass every time I see you use it.

[@componenx]

Never tried CI rod before, and I've been brazing since I was in Jr high in the '70s. I'd never touch CI with anything but brazing.

[@silasmarner7586]

I appreciate your comment, 'cause unlike a lot of the cranky peanut gallery dead set on criticism, you've had tons of experience doin' it your way. Thanks Matthew!

[@JimG31547]

So glad to see you helping Andy. When that piece fell he was heartbroken. You did an outstanding job.

[@timf6916]

Nice work.

[@henryD9363]

It seems like it would be a good idea that while you're heating the entire material then put the blanket over the far end. While you're doing the bracing. This will keep the heat in on the distant end and wouldn't cause the welding area to cool down so much. That huge amount of surface area is just ideal for radiating and conducting heat away through the air. The blanket would significantly reduce the loss of heat I believe.

[@larrybud]

I think I'd like to see the screws at 30:00 welded in. To remove you don't need to remove the whole thing anyway. Hopefully the added plate will distribute any force that may otherwise break the braize.

[@elsdp-4560]

Thank you for sharing. Very nice professional repair👍

[@Blazer02LS]

Keith, with all the braze on cast you do, you need a heat table. Easy to make one, 4 legs and a chunk of steel grating, then you make a couple pieces under it to hold the burner out of a gas oven. Feed it with a BBQ tank and an adjustable regulator. Take a look at the one Topper Machine v=WCHyrzqfU6Q has for the idea. Would make a lot of your work easier as it would let you cook parts better.

[@blue-runner]

Beautiful job, Keith!

[@daveweber1331]

When I saw the title of this video, it made me smile, Keith. I was one of I don't know how many viewers that, after cringing and groaning when watching Andy drop that vice on the cement floor, I suggested he contact you, lol! Great work as always, Keith. And, as an obese person myself, I gotta say, you're looking like you've lost a substantial amount of weight! I wonder how much... I'm working on it myself - but not with anywhere near your level of success,

[@hansnoeldner1861]

Very good instructional video for cast iron repair!

[@gus9675]

Nice Repair Keith

[@Baron3D]

Charcoal for grilling is nice to use for heating up something.

[@zomie1]

King of the Braze!

[@patrickcolahan7499]

Nice work. I doubt that the plate is required, but it is a good insurance policy. Thanks for sharing.

[@ddblairco]

thank you Keith

[@andreabennett]

Great video as always, Keith!

[@keithgutshall9559]

When you got done I was surprised yo didn't put it on the surface grinder to get it flat.

[@DontCallMeGarage]

you've lost weight Keith, i hope you are in good health.

[@arneminderman3770]

Exelent repair !!

[@SteveeCee]

Wow.What a fantastic job you made of that Keith!!

[@melshea2276]

Good Morning Georgia!😊

[@edsmachine93]

Nice repair Keith. Looks very good. Great idea making the top plate. Thanks for sharing. Take care, Ed.

[@geraldharkness8830]

love how you work keith!

[@walterplummer3808]

Good morning. An excellent repair. If he wants to use the small metal jaws he will need a custom fixed jaw to allow for the steel plate. Cut him a deal.