Olympus Tutorial: Live Composite and Light Painting ep.55

[@drewpyper]

Says he's not creative, applies lateral and creative thinking in tutorial. Rob - your videos are excellent. Thank you :-)

[@RobTrek]

Wow, thanks!

[@Andy-pu2iv]

Excellent. That explains so much about this mode. Good results too! And you say you're out of your comfort zone!

[@RobTrek]

Thanks!

[@druggero77]

I own an EM5 Mark2 and have been trying to figure out its many features some which can be very confusing. Your videos are the best. Nothing fancy, simple, and you present the information in a way that I can understand. Your videos having really helped me learn this complex but outstanding camera. Thanks.

[@RobTrek]

Thanks for your feedback! I appreciate it.

[@wahabdilawar]

Brilliant feature and excellent tutorial. Last night... I shot some star trails with the good old multiple shot and then blend method and then tried the same with live composite. Piece of cake doing it with the live composite. No need to do postprocessing for hours, while so many images are blended together and the file size is just that of one normal file. Amazing. I intend to try this with feature for some food photography. Thank you very much for your time and effort.

[@RobTrek]

Thanks for sharing!

[@JulesMoyaert_photo]

"Au contraire"! You are VERY creative! Thank you, Rob!

[@RobTrek]

Thanks. I try.

[@andrzejk4959]

Super super tutorial. The best I've found on the internet. Greetings from Poland.

[@RobTrek]

Greetings and thank you!

[@yveshetu8026]

Good demonstration. Thank you!

[@RobTrek]

You are welcome!

[@jamespayne4759]

Great video !!!!! You explain things very will so, people like me can understand them. Great instruction !!!!!!

[@RobTrek]

Thank you. I try.

[@alanbier]

Rob, you start off saying you're not creative - but not bad at all in that department! Regardless, I'm a pretty advanced amateur and had yet to fully grasp the methodology of LiveComp prior to watching you're video. But you're "uncreative creative" methodical and "unemotional" approach is perfect in explaining the methodology. Thanks so much!!

[@RobTrek]

Thank you for the feedback. Sometimes it just takes hearing from a different perspective to understand a concept. I wish I had more time to do these videos, but I try to do them straight through and uncut so I can explain each step, without skipping, and so people can follow along.

[@karls6802]

Finally, I get. Your good teaching techniques help to increase our knowledge and change our perspective from frustrating to a challenge worth trying. Thanks again, it opens a whole new area I have yet to try (in a digital camera format).

[@RobTrek]

Thank you!

[@marcelbarriel]

Really great tutorials you make, easy to follow ( I am Dutch ) and first time user of Olympus cameras since yesterday, you helped me out more than the manual....

[@RobTrek]

Thanks! Glad to help.

[@ch.b.4139]

Thank you. You said you did the best you could... You did the best for me. I learn a lot. All is clear. Christophe (France).

[@RobTrek]

Thanks!

[@fderive]

Great presentation rob thanks!

[@RobTrek]

Thank you!

[@bobfrewin3108]

Thanks Rob. There are a number of videos on Live Composite which show the end result but none that I have found that tell you how to get there. At long last we have one. Thanks again.

[@RobTrek]

Thanks for your feedback!

[@RoSoSilva]

I love your videos, Rob. You are great asset to Olympus.

[@RobTrek]

Thanks!

[@malcolminthemiddl]

Really excellent tutorial so much better than the multitude of "non-voiced" videos trying to do the same thing I like your slow informative process it's easy to follow

[@RobTrek]

Thank you!

[@LarsLarsen77]

I specialize in light painting, and this is everything I've ever wanted. With this I can do unlimited length long-exposure light painting photos during the daytime. Holy shit!

[@RobTrek]

I've done live comp during the day. You may need an nd filter, 5- 10 stops.

[@smiff4748]

Rob, you really are creative. I have learned so much from your video's so thank you for sharing.

[@RobTrek]

Thank you, Smiff.

[@stevocem]

Nice video! This is good to capture lightenings for example.

[@RobTrek]

Thanks!

[@danielclifton4589]

I really enjoyed this tutorial. You did a great job demonstrating how to use live composite. Thanks for the great information, and the tip to finding cheap gels!

[@RobTrek]

Thanks! Check out my video on using cheap gels with flash. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6iydZKtmK2HjJY

[@superbrokul]

Thank you for another great tutorial, Rob. I spent half a day today watching your videos!! :)

[@raycross7259]

Excellent tutorial, thank you ❤

[@RobTrek]

Glad it was helpful!

[@royjenkins-packer7370]

Great effects, gives me pointers to use my creative side. thanks Rob

[@RobTrek]

Thanks for watching!

[@newjersey1029]

Love your tutorials

[@RobTrek]

Glad you like them!

[@w0bblyd0inkb0ink]

Very genuinely helpful tutorial, thank you very much again Rob!

[@RobTrek]

Thanks for watching. Glad to help!

[@nellatrab]

You did great Rob...Thanx!

[@RobTrek]

Thank you!

[@jinglee5168]

Oh my that's so nice

[@RobTrek]

Thank you.

[@turbotoke]

Great Stuff! can't wait to try this out

[@stevemathew4555]

Very late to the party, but the more i use this camera the more i am impressed. Lightpainting would usually take me stacking loads of images in photoshop or using star trail software. cant wait to try this out. The whole menu system is quite intuitive coming from another manufacture. The whole concept and usability of these camera is amazing. I only picked one up for travel photography but find myself using it more and more.

[@RobTrek]

Totally agree!

[@berniestang2616]

I love your videos … just so awesome ❤

[@RobTrek]

Thank you so much 😀

[@smkunder1]

Good one Rob, something I have been struggling to figure out.

[@RobTrek]

Thanks. I need to do another one of these when I get some time.

[@c.augustin]

You did really great with your example. Looks creative enough to me! ;-)

[@RobTrek]

Thanks!

[@kennynvake4hve584]

You should be able to Dodge and burn..like when I use to develop my on Tmax 400 speed black and white film... like you said you should be able to remove light also.

[@RobTrek]

It would be nice to remove light. Maybe save the picture then start over in that mode.

[@lastbros1754]

Thanks for all your videos Rob! If it wasn’t for you I don’t think I’d be In to photograph.

[@RobTrek]

Thanks, but I'm sure you'd get into photography without me.

[@Blue172]

Hi Rob, What a fantastic tutorial, I'm in the process of switching fully from a Nikon D750 to the Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II, as I get older I find myself needing to move to the "lighter life". Live Comp is one of the main reasons I'm moving to Olympus but I'm still trying to get my head around the Olympus menus and my question to you is related to this video, I see the default setting for the monitor is -7 which I understand that it's better for the monitor to be dimmer as in most situations for light painting and star trails etc it will help but the setting I can't get my head around is in menu D2 - Live View Boost (Live Composite) what exactly do the options do (Off, On1 & On2)? Any help appreciated as like I said these menus are alien to me, Thanks, Billy

[@RobTrek]

Thanks! I tried to explain the Live View Boost in another video at the 26min mark. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWPZl2irbbuFgdU

[@Blue172]

Rob Trek Thanks Rob your a star ☄

[@Blue172]

Clifford Manthey thanks 📸📷

[@nellatrab]

Awesome Rob...thanks!

[@RobTrek]

Thanks!

[@davidgreen3563]

Hi Rob It’s me again having now watched this aspect of light drawing and having watched the Olympus one some time ago, I think combiningt the two gives a lot of info, one criticism on yours, I think perhaps showing the models or figures First may help in understanding the composition or what the creature looks like. Rob I’m being picky, I learned a lot, more than the Official Olympus one, as you explained by demonstration that the picture or shutter doesn’t pick up things that are darker, so wearing dark gloves means your hands become invisible, like a magic trick. Thank you!

[@RobTrek]

Thanks. I try to think of everything, hence the long videos. But you're right, I should have talked about the composition and subject more.

[@anthonygarbo8114]

Great explanation. With the 4th of July holiday on the horizon can you put together a short video on using Live Compose for fireworks.

[@RobTrek]

I've actually never done fireworks, so will have to give some thought. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@turbotoke]

Visions of Rob taking names on halo is what keeps me coming back! lol

[@barbaraalgar7]

Brilliant tutorial thanks

[@RobTrek]

Thank you!

[@jakobhovman]

Hello Rob...Great demo...Thank You...! PS: It is a great help to use the Olynpus app, to link the picture on to a bigger PC or laptop screen

[@RobTrek]

I've always been meaning to try tethering (or something close) with Olympus. Will look into this. Thanks. -Rob

[@kennynvake4hve584]

I think this mode would really be great shooting fireflies...have you ever tried to shot them?...they should be out this time of the year, around 8-9 pm...

[@RobTrek]

Interesting idea! Not too many fireflies anymore, not like when I was a kid.

[@bdssoaz]

Hi Rob, Thank you very much for another great tutorial. This is exactly what i was looking for, i really appreciate it. Cheers!

[@RobTrek]

Thanks again for your feedback!

[@younicbic]

As far as I can understand, that seems to be an evolution of the flash sync on 2nd shutter curtain

[@RobTrek]

Kind of. I think it's more of an extenstion of bulb mode.

[@pjbell1398]

FYI- I tried LC for fireworks, mmmm I did not factor in Wind! I plan to retire LC with fireworks hopefully tonight with the HNL harbor fireworks display.

[@RobTrek]

Practice makes perfect!

[@jerrylewis4898]

Thanks Rob, I now have a better understanding of Livecomp. I understand that shooting star trails are done in live comp, if I am shooting outside, would the settings be the same, and what if any would I need to change?

[@RobTrek]

The overall method is similar, just have to watch the shutter speed. 0.5 seconds is not long enough. Maybe try 15 seconds in live comp. I'll eventually get around to doing an astro phtography video. Thanks.

[@steveworthington930]

Hi Rob, Robin Wong said the opposite, do not under expose 1st shot? Maybe he,s thinking night/astro scenes? Can see in daylight you need an ND filter, I intend to use it at night, no light pollution, with perhap,s some fill flash.

[@RobTrek]

I don't want to contradict Robin Wong! I believe at night you don't need to underexpose. During the day, a 10 stop nd filter.

[@steveworthington930]

@@RobTrek Thank you for taking the time to reply Rob, off to Scotland next wk, thinking composite shot,s of bothies were useing, ( in USA, maybe mountain cabin,s), some light painting, light up the cabin with dark starry skye behind, get it right a keeper.

[@pujkoob]

I'm crazy, i bought my pen F yesterday !

[@RobTrek]

Congrats! Great camera. I take mine out all the time!

[@pjbell1398]

Hey Rob: In life composites used for night photography, do you think this would work for shooting Aurora? The northern lights

[@RobTrek]

Honestly, I can't answer that one. Never shot an Aurora before.

[@marghuxley]

Thanks Rob a great lesson. Can I use this for aurora photography? Also should I use a wireless or remoter shutter release device when taking live composite?

[@RobTrek]

I don't think it works for aurora. You usually don't need a remote shutter release for live comp since the exposure is generally very dark to start with. Some people just put a black card or anything very dark in front of the lens before the exposure starts and just before it ends.

[@capturethelight1035]

Impressive!

[@RobTrek]

Thank you!

[@phanxquang]

Thanks, I watched your tutorial at least 3 times. I could create a picture after live composite. I streamed the HDMI out and capture via HDMI capture card at the same time. However, I did it at home. Is there any option it can save to the video on the camera? Thanks

[@RobTrek]

Not that I am aware of.

[@phanxquang]

@@RobTrek Thanks for your answer. Is there any option to set HDMI out without info overlay? My camera isOM-D EM-10 III

[@RobTrek]

@@phanxquang On the E-M10 II, you press and hold the info button. Not sure on the E-M10 Mark III as I don't have that camera. Let me know if that worked so I can tell others. Thanks. -Rob

[@PuchoWebSolutions]

Hello from New York City! Can live composite be used for product photography? Is the final image in RAW or JPEG format? Thank you for informative video.

[@RobTrek]

Live Comp creates a Raw image. As for product photography, I don't see why not. It's a creative tool so anything goes!

[@kennynvake4hve584]

What does that antishock do?...Do you have a video on it?...I see it on my Olympus E520...and I think I understand that it stops the shutter for how ever many seconds you chose under the anti shock setting..is this how it works?

[@RobTrek]

Yes. I have a video on shutter modes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3_Lkp59a8SFeM0

[@miriamwagner188]

Rob, Can you do live composite on your PEN F?

[@RobTrek]

Yes, it is exactly the same on the Pen F!

[@MiaogisTeas]

I dunno, mate - that was pretty creative! Nice work 😁

[@RobTrek]

Thanks.

[@briangray3351]

All good Rob but for some reason I cannot get beyond 60 seconds to that mode. I'm in M and followed your exact settings after a full reset. Any thought on whets wrong? M1iii 14-150mm kit lense..

[@RobTrek]

Hi. Sorry for the late reply. Beyond 60", you will move into "Bulb" mode. Watch this video for more info: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJ2ynptvmq2tetU

[@jamespayne4759]

What stop ND filter did you use for this video ? You did not say in the video.

[@RobTrek]

I really can't remember, but most likely a variable nd with a max of 5 stops.

[@listonheinz9103]

Done Livecomp on a couple of occasions, it’s really fun and you learn a lot about exposure. But I don’t seem to be able to use a 2 or 10 second timer when using this feature which is annoying due to possible camera shake... I guess I could always use the Olympus app or a release to trigger the camera, but I rarely use those. Am I right or has I just not found the timer feature?

[@RobTrek]

I haven't found a timer either. Best way to start the shutter is with a black card or just use your hand to cover the front of the lens so the image is completely black when starting.

[@pjbell1398]

Also: how do you think live Comp would work shooting fireworks? Thanks. I so appreciate your details in all your videos. Your explanations are so easy to follow. Also is shutter speed always set in Manual?

[@RobTrek]

Works great for fireworks. Thanks.

[@edwin_ac]

Hi Rob nice video you got there. Just a question, in live composite, technically you can use the flash right (for the base exposure), but it will be blown out since the fastest shutter speed is half a second. Is my understanding correct?

[@RobTrek]

Yes, shutter speed is half a second. Whether or not the image will be blown out would depend on power output of the flash and distance of the flash from the subject. In this video, no way I could use a flash. If doing a car or building in low light, then flash might be okay.

[@edwin_ac]

@@RobTrek thanks.

[@AerialLensVideo]

Thank you, Rob - Great video, and you definitely ARE creative! One thing that confuses the baggeebies out of me is the interval or shutter setting. I just do not understand if the TIME setting you choose is actually the interval between shutter releases (frequency) with shutter speed unknown, OR the actual shutter speed (open time) with the interval unknown? I've watched several videos (yours is the best by far) but the answer is still unclear. Are you setting shutter speed, or are you setting how OFTEN the shutter opens??? The elapsed time counter on the camera display seems to indicate interval only -- please set me straight. Thanks, sir!

[@RobTrek]

Thanks! It's actually just shutter speed @ 1/2 second in this case, you're not setting an interval. The liveview is updating in real time while compositing the images.

[@AerialLensVideo]

Thank you, Sir - much appreciated.

[@PWS777]

How would handle a water fall for silky flow images?

[@berniestang2616]

Your videos are instrumental for so many …thank you . I HAVE A QUESTION… I did composite shooting for fireworks and star trails … & after the composite is done , it always says “noise reduction in progress “. Is this normal & is there a way to turn off noise reduction after each composite shot?? It takes up time .. plus I was thinking is it best to do noise reduction in post ?? Just checking on this bec I am wondering if I need to change a setting on the in-camera noise reduction. THANK YOU 😊 Appreciate your thoughts!!

[@RobTrek]

You need to turn off noise reduction in the "E" menu -> Noise Reduction -> OFF

[@berniestang2616]

@@RobTrek So sorry to be a pain ., what & where is the “E” menu … I am shooting with the OM-1 . I have the noise filter & noise reduction set to “off” already …. I have tried figuring this out & am completely stumped ! Thank u for any thoughts…

[@RobTrek]

@@berniestang2616 "E" menu is the old menu. Looks like you found the right place for the OM-1. Unfortunately, you can't turn off noise reduction in LiveComp. For fireworks, I recommend using LiveTime or Bulb mode + Intervalometer. You can turn off noise reduction in these modes.

[@berniestang2616]

@@RobTrek Ok thx . I appreciate the response & your time !! I did my first star trails … ABSOLUTELY love livecomp ! I will check into the other modes ! Thank u !

[@RobTrek]

@@berniestang2616 For star trails, it's okay of noise reduction runs, as it is relatively a short process compared to the several hours to build up the trails. For fireworks, it's faster to use livetime.

[@tariqalkindi8045]

I need your advice am trying to use live composite in my Olympus em1 mark iii but not active why? although i can reach it from menu but not active when shopping any clue?

[@RobTrek]

Sorry I missed your question. You need to put the E-M1 III into "B" mode on the mode dial to access the live comp.

[@tariqalkindi8045]

@@RobTrek Thanks so much Bob

[@analogueypx5949]

This is a really nice idea (especially the flame part). I was looking up for tips on this. So is this on all OM-D cameras? Including the older em5,10, EM-1 (all mark 1s) etc.? Also, would using a polarizing filter cut out the reflection we're seeing on the LCD screen?

[@RobTrek]

I don't think the em5 or em10 has it, but I do see it on the em1. A polarizer might help, not sure I have one small enough for my 12mm, but good idea. Thanks.

[@mark1hancock]

Great video as always Rob, just a quick question, why do you start with an under exposed shot, if the live composite only adds new light you picture won't end up with the correct exposure and end up a bit dark?

[@RobTrek]

Another way to think of it is how a painter starts with a white canvas then adds darker colors. With light painting, you start with a black canvas then add lighter colors. I could keep adding light until everything is correctly exposed. However, if I did start with a correct exposure, adding more light would start to overexpose it, which cannot be corrected after you start. If that is the effect you are going for, then that's fine - like creating a high key portrait. Hope that helps. Thanks for your question!

[@berniestang2616]

Im attempting this tonight with fireworks., so I am practicing in a dark room just to get familiar. At the end of my photos, it says noise reduction in progress, would you turn that off if you’re shooting raw ?

[@RobTrek]

Yes, turn that off for fireworks! It's really only effective for very long exposures like 60secs or more.

[@berniestang2616]

@@RobTrek How do I turn it off ? Ive been trying to figure that out since July Fireworks. Thank you ! Thx

[@RobTrek]

@@berniestang2616 Which camera do you have? It should be under the "E" menu -> Noise Reduc -> OFF.

[@berniestang2616]

@@RobTrek OM-1

[@berniestang2616]

@@RobTrek I cannot find it - I have the OM-1. I thought maybe it was under the menu for live composite - but I cannot find how to turn that off . I was thinking noise reduction in post was better . This in camera noise reduction in live comp takes a lot of time , especially during fireworks, I missed a lot when the camera stalled for noise reduction. I appreciate any help . Thx 😊

[@cannondale1100]

Great video, well explained.. After the camera processes the image does it create both a raw and jpeg image or just jpeg?

[@RobTrek]

It will save as whatever you set in the super control panel. Raw, Raw + LF, LF, etc... Thanks!

[@Ahguang85]

thanks for the video! you are a great teacher! great help. it's a shame that i didn't even realise i have this function in my camera =P

[@RobTrek]

Don't feel bad. I'm finding things new all the time!

[@ThePNWRiderWA]

Thanks Rob that was a huge help. Your not creative ? I think your very creative

[@RobTrek]

Thanks!

[@dnoseofficial9232]

do use filter to take this picture?

[@DivisionStreetDrums]

Happy New Year Rob, trying to pick a new body, Pen F or EM5 Mikita, any recommendation? Another great video.

[@RobTrek]

Happy New Year! If you do video, go for the em5 mark II. The flippy screen, the mic jack, the grip with headphone jack, make for the ultimate video setup. If you shoot mostly stills and want to be more creative, the Pen F is in a league of it's own. It has some very creative color controls and the design definitely inspires.

[@DivisionStreetDrums]

@@RobTrek Thanks Rob, Pen F it is. Happy New Year. I can't wait to use Live Composite

[@jonbarnard7186]

I noticed you were saving the images as jpeg Rob. Will it save a raw file in live comp.?

[@RobTrek]

Yes, you can save as raw. I do jpg mostly for the tutorials. I'll have to start doing tutorials with raw. Thanks for your question!

[@jonbarnard7186]

@@RobTrek I've been using Olympus cameras for years, (including the C series, and the D series, and the E series), but their current cameras have so many features, it's nice to have somebody who puts the time into figuring them out and sharing. Olympus camera manuals are terrible, cryptic, almost laughable really. How can you be so good at engineering and so bad at explaining your product? It's like they don't want you to understand these features! I'm sure I'm not the only one of your subscribers who hasn't bothered with a lot of this stuff because Olympus doesn't bother to explain how they work. Maybe you should write a book.

[@Teeum5]

Hello Rob, I'm really impressed! Great video... and to my opinion that looked very creative. I really like the second photo of your creature in front of the flames. Really really good! I hava a question. When using live composite you seemed to have taken hundreds of pictures. Is this right? Or do photos that are taken this way count as if you'd only taken one shot when reading out the shutter count. I ask this because I had problems with the shutter of my E-M1 twice and had to send it in to Olympus. So I wouldn't want to do hundreds of pictures in just a few minutes just to have two pictures at least. Hope you understand what I mean.

[@RobTrek]

It combines all the images into a single file, so there will not be hundreds of files on your memory card like when doing focus bracketing. :) Thanks for your question!

[@Teeum5]

Yes, I know that but that was not what I meant. What about the number of shutter counts? Will they go up for hundreds as in your two pictures seen?

[@RobTrek]

I checked it this morning. It adds a couple of shutter counts when the mechanical shutter fires, but when doing the composite in silent shutter, the shutter count didn't seem to change. I'm going to look into this some more. Thanks!

[@dnoseofficial9232]

do you use filter i mean

[@RobTrek]

No filter, just live composite mode.

[@kentxx12]

God Show as always Rob,but what about the elevator music you are playing over your videos?

[@RobTrek]

Thanks. I dropped most of the music the last couple of years for my reviews and tutorials.

[@MDMiller60]

M1 Mark III: I thought the base exposure was supposed to be what you want or normal exposure for the foreground. ...ok. this i really a light painting, not car trails, lightening, or fireworks, with a desired foreground and exposure on the foreground.

[@RobTrek]

Yes, that's it!

[@kennynvake4hve584]

You are the coolest guy...you could have been a doctor..or you might have already been one..or are one..I dont know ...Im just rambling...Im looking at buy an E-M10...and using my two lens from my E520...I just dont know what to do...the M10 is at like 175$...with charger, strap...and no lens..the only other camera Im looking at is a(bad word here) a Sony..SLT-A57.

[@RobTrek]

Both are very interesting cameras. You'll need an adpater to use your e520 lenses on the em10, so be sure to add that into the cost. I don't think the e520 lenses will work on the sony. If you're thinking long term the em10 micro 4/3 mount is still around. You'll be able to buy new or slightly used for a long time. The Sony A mount is all but dead. You'll have to buy used most of the time. I can't say one camera is better than the other, but I am familiar with Olympus and I have tons of tutorials you can follow. There may be a Sony SLT channel, but I have no idea.

[@extremelydave]

For someone who is "not creative" that looked pretty creative to me.........

[@hetoge]

My sentiments exactly that's great creativity

[@desertfrag]

OM-D 10 Mark II user here. If the camera can't focus and create the first base shot which is typical at night capturing lightning then Live Composite will fail despite the camera's prompt that it's ready. The only recourse is setting focus to manual. Frustrating to discover this firsthand.

[@RobTrek]

Yes, low light focusing is a problem.

[@markvanwilligen8113]

Put a black cloth over the display of the front camera and the lens (front) if the filming camera. so, a black tunnel between camera's. This will kill the reflections on the display that your viewers see. For the rest... great video's

[@RobTrek]

I was thinking of attaching an hdmi recorder to the main camera and get direct capture of the screen. Still, the black cloth is a simpler solution. Thanks for the tip!

[@sfortis]

@7:42 paused the video and trying to clean this annoying fingerprints on my screen

[@RobTrek]

My eyes are so bad, I can barely see the screen anyway.

[@sfortis]

i mean the PC screen :) there is a grey markline that seems like fingertrail on the video... thanks for the tutorial, i made my first live composite

[@terrywbreedlove]

I wish this would work in daylight :(

[@RobTrek]

You can use a 10-stop ND filter for daytime.

[@terrywbreedlove]

@@RobTrek I have one of those 👍🏻. I think after this 4th of July Holiday weekend. I will go to the beach and try it out.

[@dnoseofficial9232]

auto subscribe sir

[@dmitriyp6582]

"Not so creative person" - he said) such a liar))))

[@RobTrek]

Really, I'm not very creative. I just don't have the eye for it. But thanks!

[@naturemacro]

so much for not being creative! lol are you kidding? hahaha

[@RobTrek]

Seriously, I'm nothing compared to all of the talent out there. But thanks!

[@antonydavid2953]

a great project whilst we are all imprisoned by our goverments.

[@RobTrek]

Lots of things to try at home.

[@wingofwinter888]

finally i know how it works hahaha thx you sir

[@RobTrek]

Happy to help