Omega-3 Deficiency in Vegans Causing Mental Decline | Dr. Joel Fuhrman Response

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

Nobody gave a crap about what I ate until I changed to a whole food plant based lifestyle. Many years have passed and it was painfully obvious at my 40 year reunion who was healthy vs. who was not.

[@peter5.056]

same here! At my 30 year reunion, I look like I'm 30, and everyone else (the ones who haven't died, that is) looks 60.

[@lenguyenngoc479]

Same shiet here. Everyone instantly become nutritional experts right after the the word plant based and or meat-less diet comes out. The word vegan and vegetarian trigger even greater reponse

[@respectkindness-oj6xz]

​@@lenguyenngoc479their demons get triggered

[@memofromessex]

100% - I am about the same age, and most of my friends are massively overweight or looking at least a decade older (though it helps that I have the same hairline I had when I was a teen).

[@ceeemm1901]

Same, because I'm now plant based at 67 and have been for 7 years, but on and off veg for 35 years before that, I no longer care about what the "non vegs" eat. But when people suspect and ask why I don't eat animal produce, they become these pseudo-nutritionists with "wisdom" they got from Morning TV Infogossip programs. These are people my age that have fat butts and guts, walk with osteo-limps, on hypertension pills, diabetic meds, Rheumatoid tabs, GERD, sleep apnea, and spend 20 minutes on the toilet groaning out a solid nuggety shit ( I'm in for 90 seconds every morning at 7am with a perfect Bristol Chart No3-4). This planet needs to be renamed "Planet Cognitive Dissonance" I go to the doctor, just for fun, once a year to get my bloods done for about 12 criteria, only to hear the Doc say "Great, just keep doing what you're doing"...he knows what I'm doing.

[@emilyking9558]

So many people have various deficiencies but it’s always vegans who are called out.

[@thomasjohnson308]

Omg yes, and the only reason the vegans here are getting called out is because they lived long enough to experience dementia whereas the omnis were, you know, dead. Fuhrman mentions that but doesn't highlight it enough given the carnist context most of the world is operating in.

[@potterylady44]

Ugh...right...sick of it

[@richardcardinale7152]

While I was vegan I get deficiencies, now all good with carnivore diet

[@adiohead]

@@richardcardinale7152 You're deficient in empathy.

[@michalovesanime]

​​@@richardcardinale7152 I had the opposite happen.. What now ? Is your ancedotal experience worth more than mine? Everyone is different, different things work for different people. We also have no idea HOW you were eating. A lot of vegans ,just like people with regular diets, have deficiets because they dont know how to eat a balanced well rounded diet.

[@bscaptain]

Mic, I appreciate your willingness to show that these are complex topics and not act like you have all the answers

[@mattclark6482]

Excellent point. Dr. Berg would pontificate for a lengthy video with absolute authority about something he knows nothing about. Furthermore, he's not even a doctor, he's a chiropractor

[@garry8390]

Humans are predominantly carnivores

[@HealingLifeKwikly]

@@garry8390 "Humans are predominantly carnivores" Research and our bodies prove conclusively that we are adapted to being omnivores, not carnivores, but diets dominated by whole plant foods are healthiest for us and by FAR healthiest for the planet.

[@garry8390]

@karlwheatley1244 what you're experiencing is known as brainwashing

[@gwendolynsmith9532]

@@HealingLifeKwikly Karl, will people who believe “humans are predominantly carnivores” EVER change that opinion, regardless of how much evidence to the contrary you show them? I sometimes wonder.

[@egalitarianvegan8806]

My mother was mentally sharp to the end of her life at 98. She had been vegetarian for 67 years. No fish oils or algae supplements. I suspect there is a genetic factor in why some don't have cognitive decline. She still taught dance up to 95 then covid ended the classes. She still continued to learn new dances on line.

[@DraynorManor]

Was she active in her life? Some form of exercise or walking

[@nitaweitzel822]

​@@panchui4 and bad stuff

[@TrojansFirst]

@@panchui4not the conventional eggs which is what she was consuming. And eggs have far more Omega 6 and 6 and 3 compete for the same receptor sites.

[@orlitamarov]

For sure. There are so many factors, it’s impossible to pin down such a complex issue to only omegas. My grandma had a bipolar disorder, but she was in a relatively good shape intellectually till the age of 82. When my grandad, her husband of more than 60 years, passed, she had a horrible depressive episode and after that she deteriorated in front of our eyes. She was physically surprisingly healthy, but her dementia progressed so quickly, it was terrifying. She was Finnish, so there was a lot of fish in her life, so omegas didn’t help with genetic (most likely) predisposition to bipolar disorder. I am vegan, I also have it. Thanks grandma 🥲

[@mattclark6482]

Sounds like an awesome lady, thanks for sharing.

[@HuplesCat]

I was vegetarian for ten years before going vegan. Been vegan now for 12 years. Vegetarian gave me anaemia after a couple or years. I fixed my diet. Two years ago I noticed I was having trouble going down stairs in the morning. I'm a retired RN. It was Parkinsons Disease symptoms. I was devastated. A month later I'm listening to the Food Revolution and someone said about omega 3 and DHA and senility and Parkinsons Diseases in old vegans. So two days after starting the algae capsules all my symptoms went and remain going a year later. Obviously I am an individual and this is not science based but I thanks everyone mentioning this issue as it existed for me and I had no idea.

[@HuplesCat]

@@tarahh.3921 Nature's Way NutraVege Plant-Based Omega-3 VeggieGels

[@OneSeedGoal]

This video is a little too technical for me. Also, Mic talks very fast.

[@RabbitWatchShop]

Several years ago, I learned from Dr. Greger that, while getting in Omega 3s has benefits, the bigger objective is lowering or eliminating consumption of specific types of inflammatory omega 6s found in animal based foods, highly processed foods, and most of the cooking oils.

[@bikibird]

A diet high in fish implies a diet low in red meat. So, is it the Omega 3's that are the benefit or the the reductions of unhealthy fats. I suspect it's the latter.

[@michaelglenning5107]

I wonder if CAMALINA oil with high omega 3, some omega 6 would be beneficial. Or duck weed, also high in omega 3, and has B12 in it.

[@RabbitWatchShop]

@@michaelglenning5107 Regardless of omega ratios, one has to keep in mind cooking or food grade oil is highly processed and concentrated fats. Even the healthier oils, such as premium first cold pressed extra virgin olive oil sourced from one location in small glass bottles, impairs blood flow and causes damage to veins, arteries, etc. They result in weight gain and increase inflammatory markers. That said, I often use extra virgin olive oil. I’m still losing weight, lowering cholesterol, and feel better when consuming it compared to, say, vegetable oil, etc. Yet I know my weight loss would quicken if I dropped all oils. And I’m sure I’d feel better, too. This isn’t coming from me, either. Meta analysis on oils, including the healthier ones, all impair blood flow, increase inflammation, and due to being concentrated fats, tend to increase weight slightly or significantly depending on amount and rate used.

[@carbrock.2854]

@@bikibird The same enzyme that converts Omega 3's also converts Omega 6's, so if you have a lot of Omega 6 in your blood (from animal products and vegetable oils), it crowds out the Omega 3's and makes it hard for the enzyme to find it to convert. Fish oil and DHA supplements would supposedly help because it bypasses the enzyme function and gives DHA directly, but then you're talking about side effects ... why play that game? Just eat whole plants.

[@HarveysWorkshop]

Omega 6 is way more in vegetable oil

[@libiure]

old woman that's been a vegan for decades - not too many people my age have my excellent health or mental acuity ...

[@nitaweitzel822]

Me also

[@carynmartin6053]

Then you must know how and what to consume, good on you 🎉

[@RC-qf3mp]

The question is whether you’d be even better off eating fish regularly, ie., cognitively, skin, cardiovascular health, anti-inflammatory properties, etc.

[@JulioMacarena]

Hopefully you don't have cognitive decline from nutrient deficiency and just THiNK you are old and healthy... 😅

[@libiure]

@@JulioMacarena i'm a forensic auditor of government agencies, so it's not like i'm not proving my mental abilities on the daily ..

[@zephyr2002]

As a non vegan I rarely ate anything with Omega-3 anyway. Guaranteed I get more as a vegan.

[@respectkindness-oj6xz]

verify detailed nutritional labels and you will notice most foods naturally have more omegas than you expected in adequate proportions

[@11235Aodh]

All vegetables, fruits and starches naturally have more omega's 3 vs 6. Like spinach 370 milligrams of omega-3s in just 100 grams of the leafy green. We don't need to eat nuts and seeds or buy dr. Fuhrman's supplements..

[@abstuli]

It is all the seed oil that is in all food that cause a poor omega 6 to omega 3 ratio. Over 20% of all the calories Americans now eat come from seed oils. The average American is much more affected by this than those on vegan or carnivore diets therefore they get far too much omega 6 from junk and processed food which contains a lot of seed oil high in omega 6. You can watch this lecture Dr. Chris Knobbe Are Vegetable Oils the primary driver of Obesity, Diabetes and Chronic Disease?

[@11235Aodh]

@@abstuli Yes but meat also has saturated fat and cholesterol, which are possibly even worse than omega 6 oils (and we can make all the saturated fat and cholesterol we need ourselves, all animals can). So what's left is whole foods plant exclusive :).

[@respectkindness-oj6xz]

@@abstuli and salt is worse than sugar, i had a stomach rupture after following a high salt diet. NaCl + H2O = NaOH (caustic soda) + HCl (hydrochloric acid)

[@geoffpalmer1008]

Summary: 1. Alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) is the most common (up to 70% in omnivores) omega-3 fatty acid in the human diet (up to 100% in Vegans). 2. Consuming preformed DHA (fish, algae, etc.) blocks the conversion of ALA to DHA in the Liver (see study below) 3. ALA converts to LPC DHA in the liver, the form best used for the brain. 4. Preformed (TAG) DHA (fish, algae) mostly increases red blood cell DHA, not brain DHA like LPC DHA does 5. Higher DHA in the Omega 3 Index, may be a better indicator of how much DHA is NOT reaching the brain 6. Consuming preformed DHA may result in less DHA uptake by the brain 2024 Study: Dietary docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) downregulates liver DHA synthesis by inhibiting eicosapentaenoic acid elongation "In conclusion, we identify a novel feedback inhibition pathway where dietary DHA downregulates its liver synthesis by inhibiting EPA elongation." 2009 Study: Alpha-linolenic acid and its conversion to longer chain n3 fatty acids: Benefits for human health and a role in maintaining tissue n3 fatty acid levels "inclusion of dietary DHA dramatically reduces the accumulation of d5-DHA, including a 40% reduction in brain and in liver" 2021 Study: Potential role of hepatic lipase in the accretion of docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) by the brain “Our laboratory has demonstrated that dietary LPC-DHA enriches brain DHA efficiently, whereas dietary free DHA and triacylglycerol (TAG) DHA at equivalent dose have virtually no effect on brain DHA content” “These results suggest that HL (liver-produced hepatic lipase) activity may be the major source for the generation of LPC-DHA in the plasma necessary for transport into the brain…” 2020 Study: Plasma BDNF is a more reliable biomarker than erythrocyte omega-3 index for the omega-3 fatty acid enrichment of brain "The commonly used erythrocyte omega-3 index is not suitable for brain because of the involvement of unique transporter at the blood brain barrier (BBB)." "(LPC)-DHA significantly increases brain DHA, which results in an increase of brain BDNF" Bonus: ALA also elevates Brain-Derived Neurotrophic Factors (not just DHA) 2015 Study: The plasma levels of BDNF and MDA significantly (P 

[@camillaclare59]

Thank you Geoff- I don't think there's anybody who knows more on the topic of plant-based omegas.

[@camelliagrower]

Do you take an Omega supplement? If so, what type? Thank you

[@nyoodmono4681]

Which animal on the planet studies what is good for them? Can you not see how far you deter from nature with veganism right from the get go? Injecting B12? Ignoring appetite. We have seen enough cranky pale vegans with eye problems, It isa obvious

[@MrLoknar]

@@camelliagrower The whole point of his comment is to say we shouldn't take omega 3 supplements but consume ALA - the type of omega 3 found in plants. Seeds like flax and chia are a good source but they need to be ground (or at least soaked) in order to be digested, otherwise flaxseed oil or canola oil are good choices.

[@camelliagrower]

@@MrLoknar So calorific

[@Dumbledore6969x]

Everyday in my oatmeal I add one tbsp chia seed, one tbsp hemp seed, and two tbsp ground flax seed. This should just about cover my needs for all of this. Just to be sure, I do take one algae pill a day (serving size is 2, I take one), just to cover my butt. The seeds can be purchased in bulk and also provide healthy proteins

[@kenjohnson6101]

I include walnuts, flax, chia, hemp, etc. in my 17-ingredient breakfast recipe. But a couple years ago I did an Omega-3 test (Omegaquant) and found that while my ALA was off-the-chart on the high side (2.36%, Refernece Range: 0.12-1.51%), my DHA was off-the-chart on the low side (1.01%, Reference Range 1.13-6.07%). I started taking an algae oil supplement, which brought the Omega-3 up pretty quickly. Then I read somewhere that turmeric can help your body metabolize ALA into DHA, so I tried going off the supplement for a while and adding turmeric to my breakfast mix. That didn't work, so I went back to the supplement. It brought my Omega-3 back up to a healthy level, so I thought I could lower the dose from 2 pills to 1, but my Omega-3 started going down, so now I've gone back to the 2-pill recommended dose. Here's the data: Omega-3 Index (Reference Range 3.00-14.10%): 05/24/2022 2.82% Nordic Naturals 715mg X2 (EPA 195mg, DHA 390mg) 12/23/2022 6.49% Turmeric 04/12/2023 4.09% Nordic Naturals 715mg X2 11/3/2023 7.10% Nordic Naturals 715mg X1 7/8/2024 6.11% Nordic Naturals 715mg X2 ...

[@richardcardinale7152]

​@@kenjohnson6101plant nutrition are so easy to get everything you need... still always need to tweak here and there lol

[@michaelglenning5107]

What do you think about duck weed? Omega 3's, 7 times the protein of soy, plus b12

[@kenjohnson6101]

@@michaelglenning5107 Duck weed? Never heard of it. (Can you smoke it?) Mike - You should do a video on duck weed.

[@johnow7]

Those foods contain ALA and humans are poor converters of ALA to EPA and DHA.

[@fieldlab4]

Let's face it- lack of B12 was also an issue, causing elevated homocistine levels. B12 deficiency is common in meat eaters as well.

[@KK-lg8uz]

meat eaters is a wide category. It might just suggest that those meat eaters aren't eating enough meat.

[@Julottt]

Yes especially the mentors of Furhman, the hygienist health freak didnt like B12 supplementation, good point!

[@fieldlab4]

Prehistoric humans who managed to cook or cure meat so they could safely eat it, similar to carnivores would have been going for the liver, organs, etc. where B12 and so many other nutrients are concentrated. By only eating "prime cuts" you are likely to end up with a B12 deficiency.

[@fieldlab4]

BTW all the common B12 supplements are vegan. It's from gut bacteria. No animal larger than bacteria produces it. Human poop is actually loaded with B12, only our lower intestines have gotten lazy about absorbing it. Greger suggests people just don't eat as much dirt, bugs and feces as we used to . It's not some prize from the big strong beasts.

[@KK-lg8uz]

@@fieldlab4 so they could safely eat it? We ate a lot of raw meat, still can safely. We don’t actually need to cook meat, never have.

[@nelsonhoffman5922]

Not even vegan but love Mic's videos. One of the best on youtube in regards to nutrition.

[@Damsidus]

Same here. I like to learn from many points of view.

[@gharbadthewhoa2315]

What is stopping you from going vegan?

[@richardcardinale7152]

You don't have high standards lol

[@adiohead]

Go vegan! It's easy and morally right.

[@lenguyenngoc479]

​@@richardcardinale7152and your idols probably said something among the likes of "oh we have cave paintings depicted how we hunted and ate animals, we must be carnivores". Btw cave painting or animal bones from archeological sites are..."observational" studies. What you have is not a high standard, but a double standard

[@CraWea]

This video made me sign up for your Patreon👏This was just an excellent review of the science with an honest take. Such a rarity. I appreciate you!

[@rdnyman]

I get a lot of jokes when I tell people I switched to a plant based diet 2 years ago and then they tell me all the reasons it's a bad idea. Of course they have no evidence, only stories and podcasts to tell me about. All I tell them is that at 58 my bloodwork is better than it has ever been (including Omega), I have lost fat, built muscle and I am not on any medications. Thanks Mic for posting honest and science based content. Keep up the great work!

[@mesCheerios]

I guess I'm a nerd but this is a satisfying watch, no controversy no drama, just an extensive literature review that leaves much to be answered. It's really interesting to me to wonder about what is really going on inside our bodies and whether we will be able to find out. Your blood thinning -> blood flow hypothesis is great.

[@boxyourbuddy]

Walnuts. Like only 22 grams of walnuts. It fits flat in your hand. Walnuts people, walnuts.

[@ThatGuy-Official]

Seriously, it's not that hard, and they are a great, quick snack. Also, in most places in the US, you can grow a walnut tree in your backyard.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Unless you're allergic to them 😢

[@ThatGuy-Official]

@@ASMRyouVEGANyet Flax is a great alternative.

[@80sguy27]

Super nut.

[@Niglaz303]

if you can convert enough yes :)

[@elephantintheroom5678]

I appreciate your honesty, and how deep you dive into these topics.

[@roku3216]

My takeaway: A hundred year old vegan might get dementia because they’re super old.

[@masterlightjames950]

Old age has nothing to do with dementia. You can be old and have no dementia.

[@roku3216]

@@masterlightjames950 That’s what I keep telling people, too, so this was just an example. It’s like when “Vegans get strokes” is because they didn’t die off from other things like heart disease when they were younger.

[@LisaCulton]

Dementia is not caused by age.

[@robman2095]

@@masterlightjames950 Of course it has something to do with it. It is highly correlated. But saying old people are more likely to get dementia, which is clearly the case, does not mean that everyone will get it as they age.

[@leizee1224]

Bad take, completely misses the point of the video

[@dboyd1651]

Plant based Omega-3 sources Chia seeds Brussels sprouts Algal oil Hemp seed Walnuts Flaxseed Perilla oil Microalgae oil

[@11235Aodh]

Purslane, spinach, kale, lettuce, potatoes etc. All plants have fat, the fat they have is always the correct ratio of omega 3 to 6 (with a few exceptions). That our body also need this exact ratio is again proof (to me) that we should eat predominately plants.

[@11235Aodh]

@DesertWalker-zf7eb Is nonsense, it's like 88% vs 97% and in a world where everyone is eating excess protein. All amino acids are created by plants and a healthy gut lining will only carry peptides of 1 to 3 amino acids into the bloodstream. The body will not prefer to break down an animal protein of several hundreds of amino acids before absorption if it can just get the amino acids straight from plants. It doesn't make sense and is disproven (even vegans pee out UREA).

[@robinsaxophone232]

Dr Colin Campbell and Dr Caldwell Esellstyn are 90, sharp as a tack and still traveling, doing seminars and citing studies. Although Dr John McDougall passed recently at 77, he was still doing a live show and remembering dates and complicated medical terms and studies just days before he passed. I’ve been pbwf for 7 1/2 years and at almost 70, my brain is working fine.

[@sd200man]

This is a really professional and thorough presentation. Thanks. I had just watched the doc's video yesterday. I too decided years ago to supplement because of Dr. Greger.

[@KenTurman]

Excellent and much needed breakdown on Omega 3 supplementation for us plant based folks! Thanks!

[@11235Aodh]

Listen to dr. John mc Dougall rather, he's not trying to sell you something he's promoting. There is enough omega 3 in whole plant foods especially leavy greens.

[@franciscote9975]

" Believing " that Omega 3 deficiency causes neurological issues is not science, or is it ?

[@TangoMasterclassCom]

Thanks for the great video! I take this topic very seriously. Dr. Lisa Mosconi, who does a lot of research of dementia, really emphasizes DHA for brain health. Since I read her book, I take my supplements (algae EPA and DHA) in addition to eating enough ALA from plant foods (ground flax seeds, nuts and seeds). Dr. Ronda Patrick also explains a lot about the importance of DHA for brain health.

[@classicgameplay10]

There is really no difficulty at all taking those supplements, so no big deal. Even if you are not vegan.

[@zzzz1192]

yah rhonda information on this has change my life and the people i know, as a vegan that alwways gets asked about helth, ive helped people with cardiovascular issues with simply having them add this fat to there diet. so grateful for her

[@TangoMasterclassCom]

@@classicgameplay10 yes, Lisa Mosconi and Rhonda Patrick are not vegan, and they recommended for the general population.

[@cicciomattese]

most studies don't show benefit so..m

[@TangoMasterclassCom]

@@cicciomattese no benefits if someone is deficient?

[@KYLE-zo4bm]

maybe he means well but i don't trust any supplement salesman

[@SuperDodoe]

Snake-oil salesman

[@kingorbit]

I am with you, since Dr. Greger takes algae Dha Epa i do now as well, I buy from BRAGGS instead of Fuhrman, its $20 vs $58 for a 60 day bottle.

[@robz.3225]

Agree. He lies about other stuff 2.

[@panchui4]

​@@robz.3225what he lies about?

[@SuperDodoe]

​@@panchui4he's a liar. One lie or a thousand he'll lie to sell you a line of bs

[@tomgoff7887]

Thanks for providing the links to the cited studies. That's really helpful.

[@Petunia-fl9lu]

just be aware that all vegans cherry pick their studies and you can find just as many studies showing deficiencies as showing no deficiencies but all humans are not the same, we require different nutrients at different times in life, particularly fetal development requires maternal DHA

[@tomgoff7887]

@@Petunia-fl9lu That seems a bit harsh especially when we consider how the carnivore/keto/paleo/low carb diet advocates regularly trash the science here on KZbin. People like Mic do distinguish between healthful 'vegan' diets and junk food 'vegan,' diets which I suppose could be called cherry picking. I see that the Veganhealth website that Mic cites, addresses nutrient requirements at various life stages. Also, of course, the US RDAs etc are set out by age/life stages. The human body synthesises DHA so it's not an essential dietary nutrient. Thar said, I do eat small oily fish and take fish oil capsules.

[@mayhu3282]

As a caregiver to my 90 year old mother with vascular dementia, I'm in touch with lots of people in the same situation. My mother ate a rather healthy Mediterranean diet, with plenty of fish, all her life and her onset was at 85 after isquemias due to Covid. However in the groups I'm in, who are mostly American, nobody reports their patients having eaten plant based or Mediterranean, and their age of onset is much earlier, and their symptoms much more extreme. So I do think in my mother's case, her diet had a protective effect.

[@debbiefodor7088]

My father died with vascular dementia at age 75. He had his first stroke about 10 years before that. My father was a strict vegan for decades, for many years he was a raw or mostly raw vegan. My father was anti- conventional medicine and never had his blood tested. After his first stroke, his blood was tested in hospital. His B12 levels were rock bottom and his homocysteine levels were sky high (B12 is needed to break down homocysteine). The result: vascular dementia. My father’s weight, cholesterol, triglycerides were all excellent. It’s a shame he never had his bloods tested until it was too late, but I have used his experience as a learning experience and make sure that I and my family have yearly blood tests for a range of substances so we can get on top of any deficiencies before disease develops. I am paranoid about B12.

[@11235Aodh]

@@debbiefodor7088 Did he never supplement with B12? It's the only think i'm sure to supplement.

[@cicciomattese]

​​ studies show thay b12 supplementation don't reduce neurologic diseases/dementia/mortality and vegans/vegetarians have less neurologic/dementia diseases with very low b12. Anyway raw vegan diet is usually harmfull cause lack healthy unsaturated plant fats and have protein/caloric deficiency and these can increase neurologic/dementia risk

[@cicciomattese]

​@@11235Aodh don't exist scientific evidence that b12 supplementation reduce neurologic/dementia and mortality

[@cicciomattese]

studies don't show benefit in b12 supplementation/lowering homocystein tp reduce neurologic/dementia and mortality risk, raw vegan diet is often lacking plant healthy fats and with protein/caloric restriction and this is harmfull and increase dementia/mortality risk

[@christophervann]

Thanks Mike, I saw that interview with Dr. Fuhrman. I've been doing the Dr. Brooke Goldner smoothie protocol with a half cup of flax every morning. She swears supplementation isn't necessary, like a lot of plant based doctors. Have you covered her work? I'd be interested to hear you talk about whether her diet protocol which includes unlimited avocados and flax affects blood viscosity and endothelial function, especially during workouts (with all that fat sloshing around in the blood). Cheers

[@Llullaby3]

I second this and would be very interested in Mic’s take, considering that she seems to get pretty remarkable results with rather sick people

[@sergeantbigmac]

HALF A CUP EVERY MORNING? Thats gotta be a typo right? Serving size is a tablespoon and if you mix much more than that into oatmeal or a smoothie it gets slimy and weird.

[@Llullaby3]

@@sergeantbigmac Oops! 1/4 cup. It is a big smoothie though and good for a couple servings until midday

[@Mrm1985100]

Interesting how with both Dr Vetrano and Dr Shelton, two of the mentors Fuhrman mentions here, there is a strong B12 connection. Dr Vetrano believed B12 deficiency was a myth and wrote about it, and Dr Shelton had extremely low B12 levels when he was older. All of these people, including Dr Joy Gross, were also very involved with natural hygiene, fasting for health, and forms raw foodism.

[@debbiefodor7088]

My father died of vascular dementia aged 75 after decades as a vegan. His first stroke occurred around age 65 and blood tests showed exceedingly low B12 and corresponding sky-high homocysteine levels (leading to the stroke and dementia). He never had his bloods checked until it was too late. He was anti-conventional medicine. B12 levels matter.

[@Mrm1985100]

@@debbiefodor7088 Yeah, B12 is by far the most important supplement for vegans. I'm surprised people still insist on not taking it. We've also known full well about it since at least the early 1970s, if not earlier.

[@CtheForestthroughtheTrees]

After watching Dr Greger's piece on B12, I realize that I had had a B12 efficiency many times in my youth! (... As someone on a standard American diet.) after switching to primarily a plant-based diet many years ago, I did not experience any of the deficiency symptoms. Upon expanding my nutritional knowledge and consequently becoming fully vegan, I now supplement B12, as it seems to be a common deficiency. However, I am still on the fence on ala/dha supplementation, since it does tamper with the liver's conversion of it naturally. Fortunately, I have more common sense than the celebrities who abandoned veganism out of deficiency-fear, and I will never go back to eating oceanic sentient life. I am concerned about how much microplastic may be in the supplements, since evidence indicates that it is in their flesh.

[@berlinangel987]

@@CtheForestthroughtheTrees Vegans don't supplement with fish oil, but with algae oil.

[@Mrm1985100]

I remember Dr Fuhrman saying that Herbert Shelton had an extremely low B12 level when he was very old (the lowest he had ever measured or something). So that's a cofounding factor right there.

[@Mrm1985100]

Wow, I just discovered that Shelton and Vetrano, two on Fuhrman's "mentors", were condemned for starving/dehydrating a few people to death. There are the court hearings online for anyone interested. They were also chiropractors.

[@cicciomattese]

@@Mrm1985100 No, b12 supplementation that lowering homocystein don't reduce neurologic/dementia risk, not even cardiovascolar and mortality

[@cicciomattese]

@@Mrm1985100 b12 supplementation don't reduce dementia/neurologic/cardiovascular/mortality risk

[@Mrm1985100]

@@cicciomattese Those people were not extremely deficient in B12, they just had raised homocysteine

[@cicciomattese]

@@Mrm1985100 many had deficiency aslo children

[@relaxgood5214]

The best talk I have heard on KZbin is by Dr Tim Radak on whether vegans should supplement with Omega 3. Non biased and very informative on this subject. I have watched it several times.

[@eatplantsloveanimals]

I take DHA supplement as insurance, but I also strength train twice a week because I think it's actually more important for brain health. I've listened to podcasts by Dr Andy Galpin (not plant based) who talks a lot about the link between sarcopenia (loss of muscle) and dementia and how strength training increases BDNF.

[@timothys9288]

Also, I heard no citation from Dr. Fuhrman to prove what he's claiming. Direct studies would be necessary to determine, FIRST, what levels are needed for brain health. We don't even have a benchmark for blood tests. So, let's take a step back and demand research be done before we start making recommendations for people's diets.

[@RC-qf3mp]

the benefits of Omega 3 DHA/EPA from fish and fish-derived oils is one of the most studied supplements/nutrients in history. Unless you’re a tribal vegan living in an echo chamber, you should be able to readily use a simple search to find such research. It’s a no-brainer.

[@timothys9288]

@RC-qf3mp - One of the most studied? For what purpose? For instance, what is the RDA of omega 3? There is none. Why? Because it's not studied enough to even know if you need it as a nutrient in your diet. All you have are guesses. People are guessing if you even need omega 3 in any amounts greater than found in common plant food.

[@11235Aodh]

@@timothys9288 I agree 100%.

[@RC-qf3mp]

@@timothys9288 see The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition - “Fish Consumption and Mortality from All Causes”. There’s more benefit from eating fish than just the omega 3, since fish is so high in other nutrients, but the omega 3 (DHA/EPA) is a big factor. It’s a no-brainer that eating fish regularly is good for you, which is why coastal regions of japan and the Mediterranean where lots of fish is eaten, people live long healthy lives. Yes, fish have faces. Get over it.

[@sandray7609]

​@RC-qf3mp part of the issue is it's studied on people who eat high amounts of meat dairy and eggs. These create blood sludge, so it's a no-brainer that supplements help thin the blood improving circulation. If a WFPB diet keeps blood thinner naturally, why would a supplement be necessary? In fact, it could lead to risks of stroke or excessive blood loss if there was an accident. I don't think the studies are conclusive at all!

[@bohditony]

Over 25 yr vegan b4 the supplement craze still alive & thriving

[@SSS208-s]

But take b12

[@mkmstillstackin]

Love the thoroughness of your research and the objectivity, Mic! Great topic that's been sorely in need of further exploration.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Great episode, as usual, Mic. I wondered if you could come to a recommendation beside "it's probably a good idea" because I haven't been able to. Sounds like we're on exactly the same page.

[@MictheVegan]

"Meh, probably good" is the official recommendation I believe. Thanks!!

[@mike.999.s]

Dr Klapper was very much against Omega 3 supplementation. A couple of years ago he changed his mind and started himself taking a algae based DHA/EPA supplement. Dr Greger recommends 250 mg DHA and 125 mg EPA per day. Both those two excellent doctors are 100% science based. I follow their recommendations as I think it may be a good insurance against Dementia.

[@johnlorenzo4383]

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[@RobZwierlein]

Furhman is a salesman. He makes wild claims that cannot be supported.

[@marcellfejes5124]

This guy feels like a snakes oil salesman within the plant-based community. He made several DHA claims a while ago (he sells highly overpriced DHA supplements btw), but was heavily put in his place by Jeff Nelson from Vegsource by the actual science, which he even acknowledged. But here he is again.

[@ellev11]

Years and years of wonderful plant-based cruelty-free foods and my brain is in tip-top shape. And living aligned with my morals is Priceless. Dropping needless violence is everything. Vegan 4 Life

[@ladym.9268]

This is the first video of your's I've watched in a long time. I've been watching your videos on and off for about 10 years. You haven't aged a day! Your skin, hair, energy... You're looking great. Thanks for your high quality content.

[@krjohnson29]

I would take them (and did for years) but the main reason I stopped was the cost. Despite the relatively modest cost, when money gets tight the "ehhh maybe its doing something?" line item is the first to get cut. I might start again at some point though. 🤷

[@hannahmitchell87]

my exact thought process too! They are quite pricey compared to my multi

[@BarbaraStevenVids]

Walnuts , chia and hemp would be cheaper.

[@11235Aodh]

@@BarbaraStevenVids I'd go with this as well for sure if i thought i needed it. I listen to dr. John mc Dougall and whole foods have plenty omega 3. Spinach for instance has 370 milligrams of omega-3s in just 100 grams of the leafy green.

[@NinasPlantBasedVeganRecipes]

Mike, I tried Dr. Fuhrman’s DHA and other vegan DHA supplements, and I will never try another again because each caused me all over painful body hives. That’s a reaction others can get too, due to the presence of bacteria. I’m going to stick to my vegan 🌱 diet, eat at least 1/4 cup of flax per day and hope for the best!

[@foxdylan9536]

Thanks for doing the research Mic, that was a rabbit hole and half. 😊

[@L1ttlef0ot]

Congrats on hitting 400k subs Mic!!!

[@geoffpalmer1008]

2013 Study: Omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids and vegetarian diets "Vegetarians do not exhibit clinical signs of DHA deficiency…"

[@FlorinaMata]

My vegan diet includes daily intake of walnuts (high in omega 3 & lecithin) and my hair has been healthy and hip bone length for years.

[@LouisW333]

Correlation does not imply causation

[@SkellyMC]

I was vegan for 5 years after struggling with my health on my last year being vegan, I went being pescatarian, my health improved, and I was probably missing some omega3 , I did use algea omega 3 supplement as vegan and it didn't help, I think that genetically some people don't absorb omega 3 so well from plant based source, it's just a theory.

[@skillfuldabest]

I agree. I was vegan for 6 years and saw a big improvement with fish oil over omega 3 algae/photoplankton powder

[@DaleWoodward-v7z]

I'm a mainly vegan, and ran into Omega-3 decline and mental performance decline. But there's easy ways to get Omega-3s back into a vegan diet. Look at ground flaxseed and flaxseed oil as high Omega-3 food sources. I use a blend of 8oz flaxseed oil added to 16oz olive oil to make an oil blend that is about 2:1 ratio between Omega-3 and Omega-6 fatty acids. A couple of teaspoons of that oil blend in my daily meals keeps my Omega-3 to Omega-6 ratio at about 1:1.

[@AmateurSurgeonThe3rd]

Looking forward to seeing you at Vegan Campout next week Mic

[@FM-qm5xs]

I get a mental boost from having algae oil but it is nothing compared to the mental clarity I get when having ground flaxseed. I only really have algae oil because I am too lazy to add flaxseed to my diet.

[@storyofzero]

I too find the biggest mental boost is from flaxseed. When I tried Dr Goldner’s. protocol my brain felt 20 years younger! For the first time since I’ve had black mould poisoning and a concussion 5 years ago my brain feels robust again!

[@geoffpalmer1008]

Supplementation with DHA and the psychological functioning of young adults Cambridge University Press Published in the British Journal of Nutrition “A total of 285 young adult females took 400 mg of (Algae) DHA, in a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial, for 50 days. After 50 days, recently acquired information was more likely to be forgotten by those who had consumed (algae oil) DHA (than the placebo).” “The active capsules contained…oil derived from microalgae…”

[@Akasha303]

Aah so happy with all this info! thanks for the hard work 🎉

[@terryjackson9395]

These doctors wouldn't be boomers. They'd probably be Bob Hope generation. As such, there's high lead exposure (from gas in cars since 1920s), and did they serve in WW2? For that generation, if they lived long enough by avoiding CVD and Cancers, dementia would just be the default way to go.

[@Mrm1985100]

They didn't take B12

[@TJ-zi2ks]

Thanks for recommending it’s a good insurance policy to be taking these medium to lower doses of omegas and agreeing with Dr. Fuhrman that its’s probably a good idea to supplement as well as disclosing you are working with a supplement that does contain these long chain omegas.

[@thelifeofelvis5962]

Thank you Mic for another great video! ❤

[@bambieyes8296]

I take a vegan omega supplement because i took one when i wasnt plant based and it helped my hormone cycles. I didnt want to lose that so i continue to take them. I know that anecdotal but its made a difference for me ✌️ultimately do what you feel is best for you and be as informed as you can to make that decision.

[@woxy6532]

Your videos are so amazing Mic ! Can you make a video about taurine ? Do you recommend to taking them - for men & women ? It would be a very interesting topic🐣

[@secundusytp4517]

I've been doing a deep dive into the effects of endotoxemia and found that omega-3s are necessary for the production of intestinal alkaline phosphatase or ALPI for short. ALPI converts endotoxin LPS (diphosphoryl lipid A) into a less harmful form (monophosphoryl lipid A) which could be a major asset in preventing said mental decline, which is often associated with endotoxin-related inflammation. Vitamin E is another important one as well that negates the effects of postprandial endotoxemia *and* hyperlipidemia, which could explain why nuts rich in Vitamin E, of all fat sources is shown to prevent heart disease. Fat sources in general are avoided by the most hardcore WFBP advocates which contain these two things, so it could explain some of this. Regardless, vegans as a whole are at a much lower risk of mental decline in old age, but this could definitely be something to look at anyways.

[@syzyphyz]

Nicocado definitely became very unhealthy after he stopped being vegan, he started binging on unhealthy processed fast foods etc so nothing he says can be taken seriously i'm pretty sure he just did it for the clicks and money, Miley Cyrus was also on a lot of drugs so i'm not really sure she can blame her vegan diet for "brain fog" and not all the drugs she was on. That being said, i started taking an omega 3 supplement a few years ago, i didn't really notice any difference but i'm only 33 years old but have been vegan for 15 years now, maybe i'm just not at the age where i would notice a difference anyways.

[@peter5.056]

I was friends with Nick before he was famous, and I can say - he's a horrible person. He threw away all his real friends and sold out HARD.

[@look-into]

I suspect iodine deficiency is the real culprit. Fish is high in both iodine and long chain omega 3. There's a guy named Machismo on youtube who did an experiment on himself where he took iodine supplementation out of his vegan diet and developed "end stage veganism", which he then cured by bringing it back in. That's not to say I completely rule out DHA+EPA deficiency. I have dealt with vegan brain fog and so far my technique is a gluten free, avenin (oat) free diet, iodine, b12, eat more fat (including ALA with walnuts), peanuts, avocados, eat some salt in the day (500mg or so). I have taken a few 250mg algae DHA+EPA pills, but I'm not sure they really help. I almost think they disturb my sleep. But I think if all the other techniques don't work, maybe try the DHA+EPA pills. If all that fails for someone, maybe they gotta eat eggs or something?

[@hannahmitchell87]

@@look-into "end stage veganism" What's that then? The point where most of society no longer commodifies, hurts & exploits animals? :)

[@XxDaniel317xX]

@@peter5.056 How good of a friend were you two?

[@respectkindness-oj6xz]

​​@@look-intoi had a stomach rupture in 2021 after a high salt diet. DiNicolantonio lied saying 15g NaCl a day is safe and suggested drinking saltwater (5g NaCl in 500ml water), Everett lied saying up to 40g salt a day is safe. NaCl consumption increases risks of stomach cancer, irritations and ulcers, gastrointestinal perforations and ruptures, arrhythmias, congestive heart failure and other types of cardiovascular disease, edema, thyroid issues, kidney disease, neurological problems, dehydration, bone deformities etc. whole foods contain adequate amounts of sodium and chlorine naturally, not required to vaporise seawater for seasalt or dig in saltmines for rock salt. retinol could cause fibrosis and is not recommended for pregnant females. carotenoids, lycopene or other forms the body could use for vitamin A are safer as it can regulate the production to a tolerable limit to avoid overdose. calciferol could cause hardening of soft tissues in organs and muscles, arrhythmias, heart attacks, kidney disease, neurological damage etc. much safer from sunlight, the body could stop producing at a tolerable limit.

[@CraigHocker]

14:50 predicted if as has been claimed, increasing the EPA/DHA in the membranes of RBCs increases the RBC flexibility enabling more easily passage through the fine capillaries of the brain. if I recall correctly, capillaries make up 90% of the blood vessels in brain. Vascular dementia being also a concern in the aging brain. So it's not about whatever slight blood thinning effect might or might not exist.

[@lisapellegrino7617]

I asked my doctor for the omega index test recently. He hadn’t heard of it and he wasn’t able to order it because it didn’t exist in his computer system 😝

[@Corilo91]

Yeah, most doctors have minimal preparation and are there just to send you to specialized doctors.

[@11235Aodh]

I'm in the Netherlands and i've asked my doctor for such a test as well, nothing, and they couldn't test my iodine levels either.

[@lisapellegrino7617]

@@11235Aodh Yes, I have found not much support for plant based. In fact vegan diet is listed as a problem on my medical record due to B12 issue. My B12 is fine. My doctor always puts on my record that he counseled me about a Mediterranean diet because he is obligated to do so under insurance guidelines. He doesn’t in fact counsel me on it because he knows I am a vegan.

[@annemccarron2281]

See if you can find it on a commercial lab site where you can get it on your own accord & pay out of pocket. I'm wondering if we really know what appropriate levels are anyway.

[@Petunia-fl9lu]

I bought my own. I'm not if they are good or not. they could be snake oil like blood tests for food intolerances.

[@mikearchibald744]

Given how 'studies' are funded now, I'd be suspicious of anything. Mental deficiencies are increasing all over.

[@geoffpalmer1008]

2023 Study: Plasma Phospholipid Polyunsaturated Fatty Acid Associations with Neurocognition "...significant positive correlation of EPA% with continuous performance test scores" but "no detection of any significant associations between DHA% and any neurocognitive outcome measures"

[@TrojansFirst]

The best thing you can do to prevent dementia in later life is a meditation practice and also regular aerobic exercise.

[@nitramnagev7997]

Thanks for the information. Staying physically and mentally active will help. I'm sure that daily meditation or doing relaxation techniques will also be useful.

[@plantbasedposer]

I believe Dr. Fuhrman is talking about the newest Adventist data, which was corroborated by the study researcher on The Proof Podcast recently where vegans had the same hazard risk as the meat eaters (still unpublished).

[@plantbasedposer]

And the researcher mentions keeping omega 6:3 ratios in check in order to properly absorb omega 3 because they compete for the same enzyme to convert to long chains.

[@Mrm1985100]

@@plantbasedposer Yeah, but that unpublished data has huge issues: the people had very mild memory loss not real dementia. The numbers are tiny. We don't know their B12 levels. We don't know why a lot of them went vegan: amongst Adventists as people get older they tend to move towards a more plant based diet to try and be healthier, there's a whole study on it.

[@climatehealer]

Is there an expectation of immortality when one goes Vegan?

[@pixelated.peachyangel]

No. Expectancy is mostly genetics.

[@richardcardinale7152]

Nope , only disillusion about having good health 😂

[@mark2073]

I'm moving to eating beef chicken salmon, fruits nuts vegetables, plus supplements and optimal exercise. No processed food or bread. Seems to be working

[@leftyfourguns]

No, it's merely the catalyst for human beings to achieve photosynthesis, the true pathway to immortality

[@stan8926]

@@mark2073 I did that in 2010 but in 2020 I was already with high BP 140/90 (it takes time to manifest). Had to go WFPB to get it back to 110/70 after 10 months. So for cardio health WFPB can be beneficial. For other aspects of health too. But for all?

[@KTPurdy]

Certainly appreciate the list of references

[@laurieanne9712]

Very thorough as usual. We could "brain" (no pun intended) also on this trail: supposed you're in a well meshed social group (like the blue zones where no supplements were recorded being taken) with a strong spiritual component also. Would this enhance the DHA/EPA uptake in the brain for some reason? Or mitigate that you can make do with less because your endorphins and other happy chemicals enhance uptake of the little omega 3 that you have? I'm with Dr. T.C. Campbell--we are a symphony of intracasies, fearfully & wonderfully made.

[@mayhu3282]

I don't think the "strong spiritual aspect" has anything to do with anything. The US is the only developed country with a strong religiosity, and its health indicators are appalling.

[@11235Aodh]

@@mayhu3282 That's some pretty big assumptions you are making, i guess most countries in Europe are underdeveloped in your assessment?

[@Heatherw-xt4xs]

Blue zones are not actually vegan.

[@maiqueashworth]

As we convert around 10% of the omega- 3 we consume to EPA and DHA, I make sure I eat enough linseed and chia to be sure I'm getting enough. Loads of vegans eat badly, as do lots of omnivores. We are living in societies where it takes effort to obtain healthy food.

[@brianmurphy5313]

Fuhrman's omega-3 supplement has sunflower oil in it.

[@brianmurphy5313]

@@Frodoswaggns and its a highly refined oil that is likely carcinogenic over time

[@robmcguckin7605]

@@brianmurphy5313 Its an oxidant before its even on the supermarket shelf.

[@brianmurphy5313]

@@robmcguckin7605 yep

[@11235Aodh]

@@robmcguckin7605 Are you familiar with dr. Peter Rogers videos, he goes into pretty big detail into the dangers of rancid oils and how they create hydroxynonenal which destroys the enzyme in the brain responsible for waste removal during sleep. Research was done by Tetsumori Yamashima who was tasked by the government of Japan to look into the high amount of alzheimers Japan seems to have.

[@jammRJ]

They use high oleic sunflower oil in most vegan algae based omega 3 . These come from hybrid sunflower varieties .

[@zit1999]

Hi Mike , I am a bit of a scatterbrain so with long paragraphs it feels like I have to cough.. fish for conclusions. Would you clearly repeat/state your conclusions as a summary section of your video or in the description?

[@anonimogonzalezperez4951]

Basically what Dr furhmn is stating is not proved at all, even there are studies refuting his position. If you want to take dha and EPA algae, it is up to you.

[@mayhu3282]

​@anonimogonzalezperez4951

[@mddeebp4445]

thanks, really great that you made this video!

[@zachcain2639]

Thank you for your tenacity in following up. It’s an important topic. I’m on the fence since I have family history of atrial fibrillation and omega 3 supplements have been shown to increase risk of AF. But maybe at the low levels you recommended there’s minimal AF risk, not sure

[@Guishan_Lingyou]

Don't take my highly fallible word for it, but I recall that the studies showing correlation of Afib and omega 3 supplements were using rather high doses. Physionic has a video on it.

[@berlinangel987]

Yes, you need to take very high doses over a long time to risk AF.

[@Niglaz303]

Great video! It's really important to address Omega-3 deficiency in vegans and its potential link to mental decline. However, we should also consider other compounds that might contribute to this issue, such as choline. Choline is crucial for brain health and cognitive function, and its deficiency can also lead to mental decline. It would be beneficial to have more discussions around these nutrients to ensure a well-rounded understanding of vegan nutrition and mental health.

[@geoffpalmer1008]

Plasma, urine, and adipose tissue biomarkers of dietary intake differ between vegetarian and non-vegetarian diet groups in the Adventist Health Study-2. J Nutr. Published online February 15, 2019. “Vegans had a higher proportion of total Omega-3 fatty acids (2.1% compared with 1.6%) (P < 0.0001) compared with non-vegetarians.”

[@RynaxAlien]

Grinded linseeds are very good Omega 3 source. Just keep it submerged in vegetable oil to reduce oxidation

[@StephenMarkTurner]

I take DHA and EPA, and continue to listen to the debates.

[@HopeSingh]

I take a supplement since I read Dr. Greger recommended. That's all. It's no run taking supplements but I would need all of them even as a carnivore. Even b12, that my body never seemed to be able to absorb well anyway.

[@julioandresgomez3201]

Just a few walnuts.

[@nitaweitzel822]

Yes in oatmeal

[@julioandresgomez3201]

@@nitaweitzel822 if you leave animals alone by me you can put them in a taco.

[@timothyhoran9521]

Mic, truly appreciate you. Thanks for getting into the weeds for us. Man, this stuff is complicated. Became vegetarian in 76 and vegan in 2012. It's been an intense learning process, mostly a self taught journey. I'm convinced plant based is right for me but of course I want to remain healthy, strong, active,, and alert for the duration.

[@nitaweitzel822]

I was concerned about my B12 at my last blood draw my B12 was 750 just on nutritional yeast

[@GreenTea4Me]

Dr. Fuhrman may not be right about some things. No one is perfect. I became WFPB because of him and it has changed my life and my health. He has done plenty of his own research. He is not a god just someone that shows the way. Take what you can from anyone willing to share and use it for your betterment. Learn and grow.

[@fieldlab4]

Eat your brown flax seeds, please.

[@TheDikHeadVegan]

Still going to be vegan. Dont care about health really just care about not taking life from animals. ❤

[@bluebirdnerd]

ditto! ❤

[@mcmcpoi-ra7405]

Why do you value animals' lives more than your own health?

[@TheDikHeadVegan]

@@bluebirdnerd we all going to die. The healthiest and the least healthiest person. So might as show respect and kindness to all life forms on the way out.

[@maxt6250]

@@mcmcpoi-ra7405at one point dha will be in canola oil or other gmo crop, look it up. it’s not a only vegan issue

[@robmcguckin7605]

You'll start caring about your health as soon as it starts to wane.

[@PositivelyDevine]

Excellent video. It's more of a ratio issue which wasn't discussed here. Vegans and non vegans get too high of omega 6's compared to 3s

[@dudleyhardial2273]

I love and follow this doctor, but he does sell supplements which may be colouring his opinions and recommendations.

[@melanie.3837]

Greatly appreciate this video. It is difficult but very important to listen to the opposite school of thought to further learn about our choices. The APOE4 status, I imagine, also impacts whether or not any omega 3 and other supplementation would make a difference or perhaps cause harm.

[@sojournern]

I do wonder about the rancid issue....should they be refrigerated?

[@berlinangel987]

Yes. And you should only buy from a supplier who will provide lab tests and totox info on their product (totox = rancidity Index). If you're in Europe I recommend ordering from Watson, www.watsonnutrition.de

[@Nof1LongevityQuest]

I ate a WFPB diet for years, hitting all the micros every day and including 15g walnuts and 2T flax seeds plus vegan Omega 3 supplement. My hsCRP was always high (up to 7.3 and one time down to 1.5). I finally gave in to my doctor's claim that if I added daily sardines, I could lower it. Three months later my hsCRP came in at 0.7. I'm now into my second three-month try. I will see if this was a fluke, or if sardines were the key. Total cholesterol was 166. I eat no other animal products or processed food.

[@Nof1LongevityQuest]

I would also add that my Omega 3 index from September 2023 when I was vegan was 2.1. I will be testing again this September to see if it has increased with the addition of sardines. I'll report back here.

[@berlinangel987]

@@Nof1LongevityQuest That is really really low index indeed. Were you supplementing at the time? In any case, rather have the sardines than damaging your future!

[@Stargirl_-wz8ub]

Such a complex topic. There are SO many variables just like you mentioned. Interestingly enough, some of the top experts on Alzheimer’s and studying Blue Zone people state there has been scientific proof that disease and its cognitive relatives is much lower in those who eat a vegan diet. I don’t know much about that doc arguing most of his patients were deficient but I do know that lifestyle, race, genetics, socio-economic status, culture and literal diet play a huge part. I wonder if he even took note of any of that. Perhaps he was giving bad nutritional advice or they were in a poorer area where those people weren’t eating correctly on a regular basis?

[@Shinibo]

Just anecdotal, but since taking algae oil supplements and eating a plant-based diet, I have noticed I get bruises on my legs more easily and without memory of any incidents that would cause them. I just got a big one recently, without any obvious cause. I learned that omega-3s have a blood thinning effect, which lead to bleeding easier and bruising more easily. I will try to take a break from the algae oil for a month or two (can't see the hurt in that), and see if there is any improvement with this.

[@bgrune1]

I have always thought Dr. Fuhrman was a little off. He seems desperate to stand out from the plant based doctor crowd and create a profitable empire for himself.

[@godemperormeow8591]

Crapitaliam.

[@DivergentMoon]

I admire Dr. Fuhrman for the valuable work he's done. He should not be slandered like this.

[@kurtsakslsvideosaks9185]

​@melissamiller2696 I think he adds to the positive but he is a little overboard on some issues and with the supplements.

[@Titunka]

I think the opposite....He seem honest and wants to help, he explains things very well on his channel..

[@lulitmelake7534]

Thank you for a thorough and complete as well as balanced information on omega 3 . Thanks again.

[@lenguyenngoc479]

Not a fan of Fuhman. He's selling tons of supplements and is suspicious af with his advocate for omega-3. For me, evidence for Omega3 is so weak that I'll rather ignore

[@swites]

My sons friends father had early onset dementia in his 60's. He wasn't vegan. Stuff happens unfortunately as we get older. And we all have our use by date unfortunately. Om3 is obviously important so probably a good idea to try and get to the recommended rda.

[@ceeemm1901]

How come nobody noticed the large amounts of dementia over thousands of years with all those billions of inland people who never ate a piece of fish?

[@Cancellator5000]

People just kind of thought it was a natural part of growing old that you lose it to some extent or another. Today a large minority of those over 80 get dementia. Those numbers were probably worse in the past and also people were just less likely to live to the age when dementia would set in for them.

[@FormerIFBBJudge]

Because red meat has DHA too vegan are the ones that are at high risk.

[@11235Aodh]

2 Answers, 1 there is enough omega 3 in plants like oats, spinach etc. (and they didn't mess up their ratios by adding a lot of high omega 6 oils) and 2 they didn't grow that old, 80 was pretty unheard off i'm sure.

[@Heatherw-xt4xs]

Eggs have some. Lake and river fish too.

[@ABaker-pl6nk]

Flax is really good and there’s nothing wrong with supplements either

[@LReneeMorris]

Why not look up e3 live blue green algae. It’s great stuff.

[@hb4196]

Dynamite product, been taking it for many years.

[@fire7side]

I saw a study of omega 3 and rheumatoid arthritis and started taking fish oil supplements. My arthritis definitely improved. I think taking a walk every day improves brain function, also. Whole food diet. Simple things to live longer.

[@hertsengland]

I am always a little suspicious of Dr. Joel Fuhrman, was he the Dr that T. Collin Campbell disassociated himself from ?

[@Stardust713-y6e]

hert. Indeed Campbell was all over Fur.