'The people in there had no idea this was coming.' INCREDIBLE Titan hearing testimony

Former OceanGate contractor Tym Catterson offers his views on the Titan submersibles final moments, why the sub imploded, and what might have been going through the minds of the crew in those final moments.
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[@petergriemens1878]

When you have to sign a contract 7 TIMES saying you might die. I'm OUT !!!

[@francesmeyer8478]

I don't want to go anywhere I have to take my own oxygen.

[@francesmeyer8478]

@@theaceofspades485 I have been in caves on tours, not so bad. I have toured A gold mine.I wouldn't go exploring on my own. I don't want to have to take my own oxygen either.

[@Christanstonir]

I mean, I did that for skydiving. Hell if I would do an experimental skydive though using some homemade parachute

[@ericbeauchamp7385]

Most people are perfectly fine risking nothing and accomplishing even less.

[@HandyDandy6]

​@ericbeauchamp7385 what have you done exactly that is so worthy of mention?

[@MASTERPPA]

As someone with a basic understanding of engineering, this makes sense. When I watched the video of them HAND GLUEING the titanium to the carbon fiber, I was like NO WAY..

[@Sig_P229]

They didn’t even run test on it after. Industry standard. They may as well had put them in an untested trash can

[@thomcarr7021]

It would seem that once they went from a sphere to anything else, the design would be unpredictable. I'm sure no one is going to use this design again or try to improve it .

[@Pippi-Longstocking]

I was just telling my husband about the hand glueing. It’s ridiculous. “Passengers” were lied to by this megalomaniac (not the man testifying but the owner - I don’t even want to write his name. No more media attention for him!)

[@kaleidoscope8743]

Although the catastrophic failure of the glue-line was instantaneous, they all already knew they were in peril because they were shedding weight ... dropping balasts and skids to stop descent. By the text and recorder information, You cannot another day.They understood they were having malfunctions. They were taking evasive of actions.

[@_Elizabeth_theMaid]

Does anyone think he was suicidal? It seems like he was. And he didn’t want to go alone..

[@michaeltaylor8835]

Oceangate was a sh*tshow

[@randomsimpsonsquotes6033]

I know, all the other comment section experts have told us.

[@savoy6]

I wouldn't go 10' under water in a submersible that had been glued together. That is complete suicide.

[@ekop1778]

USING A ATARI JOYSTICK IN A GLUED SUB! NICE MOVE CAPT RIP BUTTHEAD

[@randomsimpsonsquotes6033]

Thank you- expert of all things. The comment section salutes you 🫡

[@TheDevilWAH]

Not that i would go in this specifice sub. But do you know how many things are "glued" togather these days? Comercial planes, cars, ships, and indeed other subs that have gone very deep. Nothing wrong with gluing done correctly there are plenty of gluing process that create a bond that is stronger than the underlying materials. I would just want to know the people who chose to glue had done there research and where experts in the field.

[@savoy6]

@@TheDevilWAH no. Sure, glue is used on various things as you mentioned. The entire integrity of commercial aircraft’s etc are not glued together. The wings are not glued on, for example. A cars wheel are not glued on either. The hull of this craft fully depended on the end caps being glued on. That is pure insanity at any depth. Plus, the material differences between titanium and carbon fiber would be obvious to anyone as a point of flex and repeated dives on top of that? You really shouldn’t allow for any excuses. This was an obvious disaster waiting to happen.

[@AllfatherBlack]

You underestimate how good glue can be, especially when it's not the ONLY method of fastening.

[@rn9119]

Wow- absolutely WOW! Everyone knew that sub was NOT adequate to dive that depth. Experts told him, warned everyone and told him time and time again. Stockton Rush was so arrogant he actually murdered those poor people!😞😞😞

[@littleponygirl666]

They weren't exactly poor.

[@cremebrulee4759]

​@@littleponygirl666they were still human lives that had value, and the fact that he murdered them makes them poor, as in someone to feel sorry for.

[@klym8_]

He was more over confident than arrogant

[@AllfatherBlack]

@@littleponygirl666 One was a kid who had no wealth of his own. He was a guest on someone else's dime, effectively poor.

[@baldyslapnut.]

​@@AllfatherBlack He was the son and heir to a passenger.

[@Soooooooooooonicable]

Stockton Rush was a modern day Icarus. Instead of flying too close to the sun with wax wings, he sank too close to the titanic with his flawed submersible.

[@ge2623]

I like his silly, pretentious name though.

[@annecollins1741]

Stockton Rush should have taken the advice from the people who were trying to tell him about the dangers. He ignored the warnings, and five people lost their lives. Including himself.

[@Cookatron]

He’s now mashed potato

[@KerioFive]

​@@Cookatron Stockton Mush

[@profrog493]

Rush "should have" taken advice, i.e. listened. Arrogance promotes ignorance, avoidance of problems. Rush was invincible.

[@mortalclown3812]

Rush was the stuff of monsters - what happens when Dunning-Kruger has unlimited funding.

[@barryulrich2170]

X, Tesla and Space-X comes to mind.

[@chip.chippa6416]

​@@barryulrich2170Naa he actually uses engineers advice. Stockton is more outlandish. I'd say he's the John Hammond of the real world.

[@PrateekT30]

​​​​@@chip.chippa6416I would humbly disagree with the John Hammond equivalence. John Hammond tried to show and prove, boastfully, how he took almost every conceivable measure in terms of Jurassic Park's operations and safety, emphasizing each of his boastful statements with a gleeful "spared no expense!" remark. Additionally, John Hammond hired the very best of the best from all related fields, and sought, listened, and followed their advices almost all the time. Stockton Rush, from the get-go, tried to cut costs wherever it was possible, showed utter disregard for science by jettisoning it in favour of reckless, untested, unproven, scientifically unsound ideas masked by the lofted labels of "experimentation, exploration, adventure", and seemed to hire or need around him only those people who could/would simply be yes-men to him. Elon Musk, however, does seem to qualify as the real world's John Hammond.

[@RJStockton]

@@chip.chippa6416 John Hammond is just about the perfect comparison. I've been trying to place his vibe since this happened, and that's exactly the character I've been trying to remember.

[@Geopoliticstoday2]

Agreed

[@erictorres7743]

Seems the oceangate guy was on a silent suicide mission and wanted to take some people with him 🤔

[@robertjamesonmusic]

Was a fool, just desperate for more and more quick money

[@louisaa.4614]

@@erictorres7743 full of his own bullshit , just so sad for the young guy as he had a feeling not to go ☹️

[@bensmith1541]

​@@louisaa.4614I feel sorry for most of them but the kid dying is so sad, I'm 35 I wouldn't sign that form, as an 18 years old with pressure from my dad I probably would have

[@AllfatherBlack]

@@robertjamesonmusic probably even worse and more embarrassing than that is he already had money and was just ego-chasing Cameron

[@romeysiamese6662]

Intelligent man. Sad circumstances 😢

[@parading_panda1210]

Unfortunately, intelligence and arrogance often go hand in hand..

[@thelaughingtiger146]

Thank you Mr Catterson, I can tell how much this hurt you. The truth is important to many.

[@mcsegeek1]

Arrogance - one of the biggest killers in human history.

[@HumanHamCube]

Second to religion.

[@murkrow2316]

Don’t forget Mosquitoes #1🦟🥴🤢☠️👻

[@hurieconerly3946]

Heart disease?

[@jerequallio9052]

Arrogance leads to failure. Here is a perfect example.

[@louisaa.4614]

when you saw the guy using a video game controller, I thought 'wow, surely not'??!!

[@rn9119]

The second I saw that I said to myself, “is he kidding with that?” Unbelievable- absolutely unbelievable. Those poor people were dead the second that sub was sealed😞😞🤦🏻‍♀️

[@smudent2010]

We use those controllers for certain things in the military too. They're more common than you think

[@mothball611]

You need an interface between you and the machine. You could use a keyboard, or a touchscreen or even a set of fixed joysticks (how conventional). Everyone is getting fixated on the word "game". When actually the use of this type of interface is not only reliable but incredibly intuitive to the user after thousands of hours of testing by the controller's manufacturer. Using this "game" controller is probably the only good design feature this submarine had.

[@FrozenSurf]

Yeah that’s not an issue at all. Military drones are piloted in a very similar way

[@davidritchie9344]

US nuclear subs use Xbox controllers. That wasn't definitely not the issue.

[@gunsumwong3948]

The description suggests the titanium ring is too rigid against the carbon fibre hull. Whenever there is a high pressure condition, due to the depth or a thermal gradient across the metal with the resin body, the carbon fibre hull will deflect differentially relative to the ring. Being a plastic the hull may even suffer some permanent deformation after each dive and the interface between the metal ring and resin body may deteriorate slightly. Some deep stress analysis is clearly essential for this structure. The interface could be beefed up by a thicker hull to reduce the strain differences but that may be costly to the owner. To the structural engineers bonding a full metal ring with a resin cylindrical shell reinforced by carbon fibre is clearly a big risk for the intended water depth.

[@susanna8612]

Well, in this case those "engineers" were college students.

[@cathybrind2381]

You reckon?

[@gunsumwong3948]

@@cathybrind2381 Don't take my word for it, check it by running a finite element analysis. If one material having a vastly different stiffness, or Young's modulus, to another one the deformation characteristics must be thoroughly studied. There is no doubt the interface can be a point of stress concentration that can only be mitigated by correct selection of thickness to match the expected load.

[@lebthot5787]

@@susanna8612college students didn’t designed the hull. they helped build it. Nasa and boeing were the ones involved in actually designing/engineering, UW apl was the only place that would work with them to source and build their materials

[@Migglesworth]

@gunsumwong3948 "The description suggests the titanium ring is too rigid against the carbon fibre hull. Whenever there is a high pressure condition, due to the depth or a thermal gradient across the metal with the resin body, the carbon fibre hull will deflect differentially relative to the ring." No. Not even close. There was nothing wrong with the rigidity of the titanium. That's exactly what is NEEDED. The problem was the LACK of rigidity of the carbon fiber hull.

[@makestuff4us]

I agree with @Lee-mx51i statement, when I saw how smooth the titanium ring was in the assembly video, and applying bond adhesive ( buttering it up) my thought was the titanium ring should have had some type of bond groves or a knurled finish to increase the surface area to be bonded. Everything I could see in the assembly video looked to smooth for a secure bond.

[@wally7856]

At Titanic depth the water pressure is roughly 6,000 psi. That would put about 15 million pounds of force on each titanium end cap pushing it into the carbon fiber cylinder. That glue was only necessary to hold the thing together on the surface. Once under water the water pressure alone would press those end caps so tightly against the carbon fiber that no glue would ne necessary.

[@jameskwon7617]

​@@wally7856 Disagree. It's not like water pressure only acted inward in one direction to squeeze the Ti endcaps toward each other against the carbon fiber tube. The Titan was a tube and not a sphere. The shape of the Titan meant water pressure acted in different ways across the hull of the submersible, not uniformly inward like it would have if the pressure hull was made like a lot of other deep sea submersibles like Alvin, which is essentially a Ti sphere. Water pressure would have squeezed inward the tube part of the structure, like a tube of toothpaste that you are squeezing along the entire length of the tube at the same time. Then imagine the ends of this tube supported by the Ti half dome endcaps and Ti ring just at the ends of the tube. Since the middle portion of the tube is not similarly supported by anything since you needed space for the passengers, there is going to be differential flexing that's going to happen....the middle of the tube will get squeezed inward just slightly more than the ends. This is is what the gentleman was refering to. With the middle of the tube getting squeezed a bit more, it would act to pull away the edges of the carbon fiber tube from the Ti ring and endcaps (do this experiment, get an empty can of soda, and just crush the middle part of the can.....you will see the edges of the can pull inward toward the direction of the pressure where you crushed the can). After repeated dives, back and forth motion of pulling on the edges of the tube after each dive is where the failure started to propagate. At those kinds of water pressures, even the smallest space, crack, or inconsistency will be exploited, and the failure will propagate, extremely quickly. The other thing is that depending on what kind of adhesive was used, the nature of the bond might have been like cement. It hardens when it cures. It can become rigid, and depending on the nature of the materials used, such bonds can get brittle. The fact that carbon fiber and Ti are different materials with different reactions of temperture and pressure would mean that the adhesive needed to take into account this kind of differential reaction to temperature and pressure. Not sure if any adhesive is up to that task in these extreme environments. That is why, according to Rush himself, there was a general rule that you don't do that (bond carbon fiber with Ti with adhesive), advice he was famously proud of ignoring.

[@megsley]

​@@wally7856 well it didn't work that way did it?

[@sixonesix9429]

@@wally7856 I'd try watching AND listening to the video in full before typing again. Seriously.

[@1kreature]

@@wally7856 I think you are mostly correct that the pressure of the endcaps would hold them in place on the cylinder. I think the failure came about from the small lip on the inside bearing all the force as the tube was squeezed causing the outer edge of the tube to start coming loose from the ring. Once it was too loose all the force popped onto the inner ring which promptly failed and was sheered off. It may have been a sort of rolling zip action around most of the circumference with the rebounding pressure wave after the water hit the rear cap internally causing every part of the lip to be cleanly removed. The differential flexing and non matched properties of the CF and Titanium combined with reaction to repeated stress caused the failure.

[@Lee-mx5li]

Great video, very informative.. been waiting for this exact hearing, ie the bottom line what happened!.. and when i saw the 'apply the glue video' which looked so basic like my mother putting icing on a cake with a small spatula, i was stunned thinking "no way this is what they did.."

[@IanDodato]

So the issue with this, they released the statement saying they released weights to ascend fast at 3341 and at 3345 it imploded. If they didnt know there was anything wrong then why try to ascend?

[@pickleman40]

Reducing their descent, not ascending

[@nightw4tchman]

It sounds suspicious but slowing the decent makes more sense.

[@IanDodato]

@@pickleman40 Respectfully, I did consider this as well.

[@MatthewBreck]

@@IanDodatothey were reducing the speed of their descent not trying to ascend.

[@henryturnerjr3857]

I'm sorry but its odd hearing the pressures they're dealing with and hearing glue. GLUE??!!

[@Sharon-fw9qw]

Unreal isn't it???

[@randomgrinn]

I mean if Elmers can hold macaroni on paper, it can surely hold a submarine together.

[@msswart9119]

​@@randomgrinn🤣🤣🤣

[@peter9477]

"Glue" means adhesive, and some adhesives are much stronger than the materials they join together. Don't be thrown off thinking this is Elmer's white glue or something. (Of course, I'm not saying the glue in this case *was* stronger. Not interested in a debate on this.)

[@DurkMcGerk]

You're gonna need LOTS of glue!

[@Romulan2469]

This guy looks like James Cameron's long lost brother.

[@sheilacrabtree5993]

I know I had trouble sleeping thinking about them on the bottom of the ocean in the cold dark waiting to be rescued. Horrible to think about. RIP

[@-danR]

You didn't listen the the final part of the video. They were never waiting to be rescued.

[@anjou6497]

​@@-danR They were dropping ballast, of course they knew they were in grave danger....

[@sheilacrabtree5993]

We know that now. But false hope was given for a few days. Remember the oxygen and hours they had left?? Sad.

[@mikeprevost8650]

@@anjou6497 dropping weights is routine to slow the rate of descent, and to stabilize a submersible's depth. They would have needed to drop more than 2 in order to stop descending and begin to ascend.

[@anjou6497]

@@mikeprevost8650 Which they did, apparently.....

[@sanitman1488]

I feel bad for the young man that went with his dad…. As a dad myself I would never do anything of this incredible danger to my son or myself for the matter.

[@user-iq2yp1dn1q]

The explanation of the implosion makes sense, but I am not convinced they were not aware of something unusual happening moments prior, unusual sounds or vibrations as the glue began to fail.

[@felixcat9318]

Your ignorance doesn't alter the fact that the implosion occurred within a nanosecond, without any warning.

[@damonedwards1544]

"Crackle" "Did you guys hear th...............................................

[@mw12349]

@user-iq2yp1dn1q you are right it directly conflicts Stockton in other testimony saying he had to drop two weights so yes they knew something was definitely wrong. While it happened quick they still knew something was wrong with the testimony plus they lost comms and he had to text .

[@mw12349]

@@felixcat9318 it's not ignorance at all!!! In other testimony Stockton had to drop two weights so get up as it was dropping too quick so yes they knew something was wrong!! It's your ignorance . While it happened quickly they still were aware the sub had a problem !! Plus they lost comms and he had to text!! A very ignorant comment from yourself!

[@dnomyarnostaw]

​@mw12349 So how does dropping two weights imply knowledge of impending glue line failure ?

[@774Rob]

Rush's attitude towards 50 year old white males was a sign that he was a fool.

[@KerioFive]

They Do know everything

[@kmena05]

he was a 60 yr old guy tho, he had a cocky arrogant attitude of a 60 yr old man it's just that he was in the wrong.

[@rad4579]

If they had no idea anything was wrong, why did they release the weights?

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

for fun

[@JordanPierce-k8i]

To slow descent, it was only 70lbs of weight

[@rad4579]

@@JordanPierce-k8i They didn't on the other dives. Something was wrong.

[@SM-so8hh]

​​@@rad4579They always released weights on every dive. It's to slow descent and stop them slamming into the sea floor. They obviously could have aware of issues, but releasing weights was a normal thing to do.

[@rad4579]

@@SM-so8hh Sez who besides u?

[@NalaRichenbach]

This is unbelievable!!

[@joekahno]

I'm not any sort of engineer and hindsight is always 20/20. That said, I've been in situations where people die if things don't go according to plan and I've been there often enough to confirm that nothing *EVER* goes completely according to plan. Standard practice includes setting up a mission profile with limits to how far you can depart from it without triggering remedial action. If they hadn't been flying "seat of their pants" they would have had a defined abort level for the runaway descent that was the first sign of a problem. While I wouldn't go so far as to call this a suicide run, the person in charge was totally unqualified in training or temperament for the role he chose to play.

[@randomgrinn]

If Elmers can hold macaroni on paper, it can surely hold a submarine together. Probably.

[@MAXIMUMintheHORMONE]

It was reported that others heard banging of the fiber breaking on previous dives. How do we know what they may have heard seconds before the implosion?

[@cwcarson]

Presumably they did. Rush and PH would have considered it normal. It would have been terrifying for the 2 Pakistani passengers.

[@barrelrolltoday6051]

So the last message they sent, about dropping weights, that's not a concern? They were trapped in one of the most inhospitable environments with what is basically a micro machine. Those people were either terrified or ignorant.

[@nightw4tchman]

No, it was to slow the decent of the sub. It wasn't even close to the total weight carried. As part of the hearing this was questioned.

[@hadorstapa]

The kind of failure we're talking about isn't a gradual thing, like he explained. There's no beginning of it failing to give you a clue, it simply failed all in one go with a speed and force that exceeds the ability of the human nervous system to register and report pain to the brain. That's what he means when he says they had no idea.

[@E.V.A.N-COProductions]

@@hadorstapa Even so, dropping weights are a part of normal operation. They sink deep enough to get to the wreck, shedding weights when going fast enough to gradual stop as operation depth.

[@hadorstapa]

@@E.V.A.N-COProductions yes, absolutely, wasn't arguing against that.

[@Kelsey-dk4vw]

Of course they knew something was off, I’m sure they were worried

[@qubex]

What evidence do you have to support this assertion?

[@joefin5900]

I'm surprised Rush didn't offer rides over Niagara Falls in that thing.

[@cremebrulee4759]

I appreciate his knowledge. I'm sure testifying was difficult. It's just a tragedy that no one could or would stop Stockton Rush.

[@Cookatron]

He stopped himself. He’s now mashed potato.

[@tanthony298]

They had at least 6 seconds of knowing something was wrong

[@mortalclown3812]

It didn't occur to Rush that the vessel could be compromised after being hit by lightning. Occam's razor got dull.

[@-danR]

By his ending description they had at _most_ maybe 60 milliseconds.

[@sw8741]

@@-danR It wouldn't even had registered in their brains.

[@paulhowse6169]

Bro 6 seconds what are you talking about, an implosion happens in milliseconds what math did you use to come up with “at least 6 seconds” Quit trying to sensationalize a tragic event when the data doesn’t back it up

[@bluebeast440]

@@paulhowse6169 They dropped the weights.... they certainly knew at that point something wasn't going right. Their deaths were instantaneous, but they weren't unaware there was some kid of problem.

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

Amazing how he managed to convince Billionaire Hamish Harding to go into that death trap

[@thomcarr7021]

The search and rescue operation was just a bad act. How they could fabricate the crew being still alive when they heard the implosion was pathetic.

[@user-xu1ce4ri4h]

You couldn't hear the implosion above the water. The "they" who picked up the sound of the implosion was the US Navy if I remember correctly. The ocean is noisy as fuck and the military is generally not going to be super eager to discuss random noises they picked up unless they were sure it wouldn't compromise national security. There are a lot of aspects of this case that warrant getting angry about, but trying to save five human beings while there was still a chance that they might still be alive should not be one of them.

[@OzyMandias359]

O.k.,.....and you're upset about that?? what were they suppose to do? Tell everyone to go home, case closed.....because we might have heard some random click in the ocean thousand of miles away?

[@thomcarr7021]

@@user-xu1ce4ri4h Actually, the speculation that they could be saved at all was just for show. From the first hour on, experts said there was no way to retrieve the unpowered sub. All the efforts were just for the media coverage.

[@thomcarr7021]

@@OzyMandias359 Authorities could have been more truthful about the situation. As the disaster was unfolding, they counted down the hours of possible survival, leaving millions of people to believe there was a chance of rescue. Yet they admitted from the start that there was no way to retrieve the sub.

[@Sig_P229]

If they were genuinely stuck down there, let’s say the sub caught on the Titanic or something, they would have froze and it would have been impossible to raise them up from 3800 meters. There was never an actual effort to rescue because it is an impossible task. Thus, I wouldn’t go down there on a capable sub

[@manjsher3094]

They knew they absolutely knew something was amiss.

[@BalthazarMyrrh70]

Yes the sub made horrendous noises at the best of times. Plus, the RTM alarm would have been alerting. Rush would have been aware of something he had not heard before... & lastly PH was responding at the last transmissions. I wonder why? He even takes time to explain "this is PH." As if it was not usual for him to be at coms.

[@greghatton1787]

His point is that it wasn't the hull that failed it was the glue line. So they wouldn't have heard cracking. There may have been a fine mist that entered around the titanium ring but by the time you realise....pop.

[@BalthazarMyrrh70]

@greghatton1787 the sub made sounds likened to a shotgun going off continuously at depth. Initially, rush was told he could never take passengers down in it with the sounds it made. This is when they added the ghetto blaster radio - to cover the noises & help calm the passengers. The RTM alarm was designed to monitor vibration. If the carbon fibre wrapping was being infiltrated by water & slowly peeling off the outer titanium ring or any major warping were occurring, the alarm would've sounded. The investigation shows the titanium sheared off at the nose. So it's not really as simple as the glue line failing and the sub simply popping apart. They took tremendous force & pressure & the vessel underwent extreme violence & obviously resisted for a time for the titanium to eventually shear off.

[@Sharon-fw9qw]

​@BalthazarMyrrh70 exactly

[@randomami8176]

@@BalthazarMyrrh70I was about to ask the same thing. I too was curious and somewhat disturbed when I read PH ( he was the French expert, right?) took control on the communications. Does someone have any idea why he would do that?

[@chrisprysok7634]

The US Navy has a submersible that is carbin fiber and titanium, with the same adhesive to secure it. There was no end of use date.

[@duanemansel5704]

Yea 🎉 This was my theory all along.

[@pitdog75]

Great mechanical explanation.

[@johnwright291]

When you are talking about glue on a deep-sea submersible you are in deep doo doo right to start with.

[@allanpatterson7653]

Listening to what the US Navy heard the bang bang sound and the following echoes was chilling. They probably died too fast to know what hit them. I had a bad feeling for this.

[@kaptkrunchfpv]

Im pretty sure they knew they were done.

[@Christanstonir]

It would be nice to think that they were all unsuspecting, just waiting to see the Titanic however, if they were dropping weights, they knew something was wrong. What that something was is unclear. Maybe more “gunshot” noises, maybe the rts indicators seeing as they never gave enough time to get back. I’d like to know what was happening in that hour after they said “all good”

[@hadorstapa]

Remember that the sub was created to have positive buoyancy. To negate this they carried weights that let it achieve neutral buoyancy at the bottom, and more weights to achieve negative buoyancy for the dive. It was normal to release the dive weights when approaching the bottom. There's no suggestion that they released the neutral buoyancy weights too. From the expert testimony, the first sign of failure would be the failure itself, and that happened so fast there would be no way for them to recognise or react to it.

[@Christanstonir]

@@hadorstapa yeah thats true, that’s a relief I guess at least.

[@daveparker5569]

I simply cant get my mind around the idea of gluing a craft together to handle depths and pressures that reduce a contiguous steel sphere by several inches.

[@tbaxt3r]

how was glue used on something like this smh!

[@April-sp8un]

It made 13 success to titanic b4 implosion so was it the glue or the carbon fiber? Or just a matter of time before one or the other?

[@andromedach]

so how much was left and won't other dives see it?

[@Craig-wp3pz]

Was the Hull monitoring system not flashing and beeping its tits off by this point??

[@FranktheDachshund]

I thought the monitoring system was the popping and cracking noises the hull made as it was descending. I recall Stockton saying that in a previous video.

[@imtheonevanhalen1557]

That death trap was creaking and snapping letting all inside know.......yeah, they knew

[@orenalbertmeisel3127]

Thanks KZbin for adding that link to a Wikipedia article about the sinking of the RMS Titanic to combat disinformation, lmao. It isn't patronizing at all

[@brigidsingleton1596]

I hope you are not dissing Mike Brady...

"The people in there had no idea this was coming" ... so you don't believe that there would have been some alarming sounds just before then?

[@AllfatherBlack]

I will never ever ever be convinced that they had no hint that it was going to happen. Maybe they ignored the hints, but I mean, people literally told him this would happen and then it did. Without exaggeration, if one doesn't listen to explicit language from people, who says they have the capacity to hear the subtle warnings of the sea?

[@GoDodgers1]

Heavy duty construction glue, you know that I mean. And a much deeper flange channel. Use more glue than you need and jiggle/wiggle out all the bubbles.

[@Jay-yy9ol]

Hi. I’m not sure, but the sub had visited the Titanic site once or twice before. Is this correct? And because of the multiple compression and decompression, it caused material fatigue which lead to inevitable failure. Thank you.

[@Keys879]

The sheer amount of sensationalism and misunderstanding of concepts in these comments (and really, the public at large), while not unsurprising is still astounding.

[@M14armorer]

Safer than walking across the street!

[@kriscalverley2131]

Sad stuff, but he was crazy enough to build it, try it, and made. People jump in electric cars at -40degrees celsius, will be about the same, frozen lumps, ravens food.

[@JILPTL]

Rash would have made a paper sub to dive if he want to..n felt proud of it

[@JessaLynn8]

Omg they weren't "happy". Rush was putting out that they were having some problems and cracking noises. You KNOW they were damn TERRIFIED. They were deep in the ocean with no way to get immediate help or get out quickly, and they KNEW there were issues. If you or I were in there, and WE heard CRACKING noises, we would be HORRIFIED!!

[@dominicbuckley8309]

You mean the cracking noises described in the 'communications transcript'? That document was debunked as a hoax within a week of being released.

[@mikeprevost8650]

You're referring to a "transcript" that has been shown to be a fake. The transcript released today shows nothing of the sort.

[@JessaLynn8]

@@mikeprevost8650 cracking noises were heard in a previous dive, it's more than reasonable to assume they heard cracking noises when they were down there on this dive & we know they were having problems, dropped weights and were trying to get back up to the surface. Plus, there's the document that states that cracking sounds would give them a "warning" there was a problem, and that's probably the reason they dropped the weights to get back to the surface, bc they started hearing the cracking noises (it wasn't supposed to lead to a disaster though)

[@rad4579]

@@mikeprevost8650 Allegedly.

[@michael-lynn]

​@JessaLynn8 this was my thoughts too, however some are saying they dropped weights to slow the descent because they were getting close to the bottom ... In either case, I'm sure they would have heard some loud popping just before instant death. As they dropped weights to descend slower or to ascend. A second or two of popping would cause alarm but then lights out, they meet their maker.

[@bermudabengal]

the passengers literally didn't even know that they died!

[@ZENmud]

Would "imploded/exploded" human bodies become "liquified" to any degree, and(!) from the depth of implosion, would tissue (jellied?) float upward , not the bones, of course, or would it remain neutral without bouyancy? I'm guessing most was devoured by sea creatures.

[@RJStockton]

You're underestimating the violence of that implosion. For a fraction of a second, the air inside the sub was compressed until it became hotter than the surface of the sun. While some tooth enamel and maybe a few bits of metal jewelry might have survived, nothing organic came out of that bubble as anything more than molecules.

[@hadorstapa]

​@@RJStocktonexactly. And that fraction of a second was so small that the human nervous system would not have the time to send information about the light or heat to the brain before they were killed.

[@E.V.A.N-COProductions]

@@hadorstapa Yes. Hardly anything lives that deep anyways. Unless they were falling unpressurized, their bodies wouldn't even hardly resemble a corpse when it imploded.

[@DarthDimmadome]

Bruh. Which one is it? I see headlines saying “they knew what was going to happen” then a hour later a new video is posted “they had no idea what was coming” so which one is it ffs….

[@christianlederer5668]

Doesn't really matter what the specific failure was. In this case it might have been the glue. But it had survived this trip the next trip it might have been the window or the carbon fiber tube. That thing was going to break down over a long enough timeline of usage just due to the fact of how poorly it was made and tested without any oversight whatsoever. There are dozen things that would have killed that sub in the end

[@artycharr]

"players passing around wrong infromation i felt" he could have put the right information out, but knowing what we know about oceangate i do not think that would do any favors in court.

[@prestoncorrier9215]

Window and cell phone memory cards ? Rip to all

[@markmarsh27]

I doubt very much that the Titan's victims were unaware of what was about to happen - they must have heard some horrifying creaking and cracking noises just before the implosion.

[@hikerdude5265]

This long since the event and he is obviously, still, shaken up from it. I wouldn't want anything to do with his demons, self inflicted or otherwise. Prayers for the living too.

[@AM-yb1ez]

I don't think they were "happy", they were in an emergency ascent according to the communications

[@sgregg5257]

This was just total negligence and breaking too many rules. Titanium and Carbon Fiber being glued and expecting not to fail at some point is crazy. You have to have materials that compress and expand at the same rate, exactly the same rate. Any discrepancy and you will get separation eventually. Its only a matter of time. Heck that would happen to the sub just sitting on dry land over time.

[@megsley]

i dont understand how anyone who works with carbon fiber would ever agree to help build that vehicle. you would KNOW that carbon fiber is terrible under repeated compression.

[@christianlederer5668]

BTW of course it is extraordinarily fast it's explosive decompression, it don't happen slow

[@vashbain3136]

anybody who worked on that sub should go to prison

[@electriccoconut]

When someone is telling a story let them finish.

[@ZENmud]

Physically? They saw the "red light" through instant pain and then nothing. Emotionally? They must have one amongst them, at least, panicking over the noises they heard; that may have induced a collective panic just before their final breath.

[@AnaPaula-jv6bn]

No time for any of that

[@Network126]

Ironically all the panicking and banging may have actually accelerated the structural failure...

[@ZENmud]

@AnaPaula-jv6bn "after" the implosion, you're correct. But your premise appears to be: "They had absolutely no notice of any disfunction, so 'no time'..." I think (based on hundreds of comments from various experts on dozens of "Titan" videos) that they did have time. Could have been minutes (roughly equal to when they dropped weights to initiate ascension), or mere seconds. Law students (USA) learn in "Torts" that the quantitive and intensity of "fear" has to be communicated to a jury (when such cases get to trial), effectively, to help in our system's assessment of damages.

[@metricdeep8856]

Happy? That kid wasn't even happy to go in the first place.....he was probably pretty terrified the entire time...and even more at any noises/behaviors that might seem out of place to him. If I recall, the sub made noises all the time...probably more so this time. Maybe the weights were dropped to slow the descent "as planned".....and maybe not.

[@Mrrbbear]

Let's face it the math said no. But they knew better than the math.

[@pdbordelon]

He is dead right about our media. Just awful people.

[@randomgrinn]

If you have 1 media that reports facts, and 1 that reports drama, everyone will listen to the drama. Is that the media's fault? Truth is, humans love drama, not facts. Yeah the media is awful. Because HUMANS are awful.

[@Fk74303]

wait, what? did he say glue? like the ones you buy it from the hardware stores???

[@Hifive91]

Rush's rhetoric, which i take to be his creed, is dangerous on its face. It seems to me that this phrase of "i break rules" guided so much of his behavior, for very good reason too. If he is a rule breaker, then everything he does is justified. Seems like a perfect recipee for disaster and delusion. He wouldnt of ended up on the front page except he had enough charisma to fool people into paying the ultimate price. Stockton broke rules when it suited him, not necessarily because his ideas demanded so. In the end, he broke rules for money and maybe fame. His greed and senseless ambition led him straight to a watery hell.

[@Williamb612]

This entire drama is easy to remedy: a. no sub experimental or other wise must be certified by the governing body that certifies subs. b. any narcissistic a-holes who try to circumvent navigate a. either comply or get locked up

[@blakespower]

why are we wasting time investigating this in Congress? leav this to the Pete Buttedgeedge

[@dianewalker9154]

I’m glad to hear that it happened instantaneously and they didn’t know what was happening, nor did they suffer. But what I want to know is how all the regulations, checks and balances, got bypassed by basically a rich bully.

[@artycharr]

"let the public know, nobody was suffering in there", no they werent because they were dead.

[@screaminlordbyron7767]

Well that's a theory but the last recordings tell a different story :/

[@AdamsOlympia]

I don't remember much misinformation from the media regarding this event. Just a lot of speculation and conjecture, which is a whole other can of worms.

[@chumbawumba1959]

Glued hull and gaming controller ... I AM OUT!!!

[@andret4403]

Was clue line as he said root cause? Maybe. But maybe just 1 of a chain of failures at the end. They had a fast descent. Did rootcause already happen? How poorly this submersible was designed. The list of possible failures is long. Rapid descent could be a significant factor to the carbon fiber shell failure. At the end, the rootcause is likely just the prevailing theory that lead to carbon fiber shell failure. Mechanics of that failure is going to likely be an educated guess as well. I believe it had no lateral strength due to how the carbon fiber was wound on a cylinder tool and collapsed like an accordion

[@QuantumNaut]

They dropped the weights so clearly they knew something was coming.

[@GWNorth-db8vn]

That was routine to slow down.

[@Neolithika]

Everything works in theory. Many people stay in that zone. Things can, and do go differently in actuality. It seems like this Rush guy got stuck in that theory zone. It's ok to be a dreamer, but its also important to hang onto reality and not get lost in the fantasy. What a shame.

[@troyrblb44]

Lol even he discredits the media 😂😂. We know buddy, we know.

[@CA-tk8yn]

They know they received WTF messages, so they would have known it was cracking and about to cave in. Once it did, it would have knocked them unconscious for the seconds they were alive so they wouldn't have suffered. All tragic things goes about the same way. Our mind is flooded with chemicals that render us stunned so we are protected.

[@Shipspotting_Vietnam]

We dont know exactly what and when it happened!!

[@Bl0ckHe1d]

Sub was sabotaged; someone nicked the glue with a Stanley blade prior to the dive, I mean there were two billionaires onboard…if Carlsberg do conspiracies 🤪

[@swampyfox8688]

Listening to this guy speak…. It becomes clearer why that thing imploded. So sad that ego won over common sense.

[@wjatube]

All those lives rested in the balance of glue holding together the hull and outside cone. The arrogance and ignorance. Although, not as much ignorance as several engineers warned Stockton.

[@michaeltaylor8835]

We know what failed

[@WEstHamUTD777]

I heard they used elmers glue, because it was on sale at Walmart at the time, to save even more money.

[@randomgrinn]

If Elmers can hold macaroni on paper, it can surely hold a submarine together.

[@WEstHamUTD777]

@@randomgrinn definitely !

[@kaleidoscope8743]

I'll accept his professional opinion that this glue-line failure happened instantly at the forward O-ring. However, the passengers weren't unaware of perilous problems because they texted/signaled that dropped balasts and dropped skids (to lighten weight) to return to surface. The aft structural failure seems to have caused loss of some electrical controls (as previously reported). This would put them onto a nose-down attitude ( the clearly all knew this ) and then the continued to descend faster than they could pressurize, causing the implosion of the passenge capsule at the glue-line because of rapid descent. So they all knew they were in peril shortly before the implosion. For how many minutes? We dont know. All you can say is they were crushed instantly once the implosion happened.

[@steviejayarr]

This is not how it happened. Read the comms transcript

[@JuliusCaesar888]

You're a doom fetishist who is making a fanfic for your own satisfaction. Literally none of that is in the official transcript.

[@julijakeit]

@@steviejayarr I agree, it is taken from the fake transcript, however, the released transcript indicates that they were 'jumping' their positions, if i remember correctly, where definitely was some issue with movement. That alone does not indicate implosion risk, of course, but it's rather eerie for the passengers to have witness loss of communications, HP taking over to answer Polar Prince (the ship above), Stockton may have tried 'magavering' something inside to restore communications, then they knew they were descending too fast, they tried dropping ballast until 2 seconds after they reported they did, the implosion happened. Was dropping ballast anything to do with implosion? Who knows. Just because it happened right after is no indicator, especially not, since hearing this testimony.

[@greghatton1787]

It's so scary how ill informed you can be on a subject and still be so passionate. They dropped 70lbs to slow down because they were approaching the bottom. They didn't know shit.

[@bobbybostic7947]

They were not “waiting to see the titanic”.. If true they messaged that they were dropping weights, it’s clear there was something happening inside the sub that made them feel they could not continue….

[@fluffybearfire]

That was not a “ascent” drop of weights, that was to slow the descent so they didn’t collide with the bottom. It’s typical procedure to reduce some of the weight to slow oneself.

[@sunitamosesesq]

This guy's making some big assumptions with little to no information. He can't say what they were seeing, hearing, or experiencing. Saying they were 'happy' when they were at the least experiencing nonstop comm failures and several minutes of delay between communication?? I don't think so... That's disrespectful. Sir, go home and sit down.