On Location With Vance and Hines : Why You Need a FP3 and How It Works

We spent time on location at Vance and Hines in California to get the low down on what goes into a FP3. And why you need one on your motorcycle.
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Vance & Hines brings you an innovative aftermarket fuel system that allows you to leverage the power of your smartphone for easy and fast fuel system management to get the best performance out of your motorcycle in the Fuelpak FP3. Fuelpak FP3 uses flash technology to recalibrate engine parameters and mapping for exhaust systems. With simple plug-and-play installation using the HDLAN system and Bluetooth wireless technology, you can use your Android or iPhone to access factory sensors and see live sensor data like speed, RPM, Cylinder head temperature, voltage, gear selection, and more for customized performance. Download an assortment of performance upgrades from Vance & Hines virtual library of engine calibrations or autotune according to your own metrics, like fuel type and other precision settings. The fuel injector is equipped with an ECU (electronic control unit) programmed to deliver fuel to the motor based on an air/fuel ratio for a stock air filter and stock exhaust system.
NOTE:the Vance & Hines Fuelpak FP3 ties into your bike's VIN number and cannot be used for multiple bikes.
• Increases power Improves throttle response
• Plugs into your existing harness
• Bluetooth connectivity
• Customization library
• See live sensor data
• Autotune for precision settings
• Works with iPhone and Android
#VanceAndHines #FP3 #HarleyDavidson

[@Cozmo2k4]

I just put one on my 13 fxdb stage 3. Holy hell this bike has never ran this good. Not a single decel pop (my bike did it constantly with the dealership tune) It now has a buttery smooth and much faster throttle response, it's like having a brand new bike. 10/10.

[@THEelduderino]

Had 2 FP’s over the years, currently running FP3 on M8 107, works amazing! Installed myself when did stage 1 full headers & breather, ran great. It’s adaptable, my HD dealer contacted V&H & got a custom map when they installed stage II cam, huge difference! I’ve since Autotuned, I would recommend taking your time auto tuning & fill all cells. I only did 30 minutes worth & it could use more

[@willial4]

I’ve been running the FP3 for a couple years and am very happy with it. It’s good to learn more about what it can do.

[@carlosfonseca516]

Great video. So many questions answered. Thanks!

[@shannonstiles8751]

Installed one today and I can feel the power!!! Now for the 570 cams🇺🇸

[@fredkunc3517]

Just added one to my 2009 XL1200L five hundred was tough to part with but I would do it again this thing unleashed a ton of untapped horses in my stage 1 bike thanks Vance & Hines.

[@tommyjusz]

Awesome video guys. I actually paused the video and ran out into the garage and lowered my idle and increased my rev limiter. I knew that the FP3 was capable of more than i was using it for. What a great product for not a lot of money.. Thanks Vance and Hines for a great product. i recently installed one with a big sucker air cleaner. It really Unlocked the power from my starved 96Ci

[@luisvazquez1947]

Great video and excellent explanation. I'm convince that the V&H FP3 is what I need to complete my Stage 1.

[@Liveharley1]

I plan on getting a new road king changing the pipes, mufflers, stage 1 and 2 I like everything that the FP3 does, love the video! t

[@curtfoust2626]

Rad stuff once again!

[@Oddman1980]

My FP3 is supposed to show up today. Can't wait to put it on my street rod!

[@markhenry192]

Just did an fp3 install on my totally stock Low Rider107 + a "moderate" throttle setting. Yet to take her out for a ride (UK weather bad at the moment) but looking forward to doing so. Thanks

[@p.v.jayaprakash4494]

Nice good learning

[@jbhobbyist9372]

2009 HD Softail Custom using the FP3. I have one word "AWESOME"

[@parkeslife4323]

JBHobbyist Stage 1? I'm on an 08 Rocker C with pipes and filter. Wondering about adjustability if I put some cams in it too.

[@chrisphilhower6029]

I have used the App on a Chrome Book. In tablet mode. Also plug my unit in about once a month for Software Updates.

[@Helmet_Tester]

Have used V&H tuner in the past on my CVO Dyna after adding big radius pipes. The bike ran great and sounded great!! Going to do the same to my new 2020 Ultra Limited. Just wondering why 4 neg thumbs? Are there people that just go around youtube and give thumbs down? What could possibly be wrong with this video?

[@63Spatch]

Awesome vid / info Patrick! I have 2019 FXBRS with S&S 465 cam chest kit, V&H Eliminator 300 exhaust, Roland Sand intake & yes, the FP3. V&H assisted with some rough idle issues with the stock map. Bike performs great now..... TY V&H! Looking forward to the FP3 series vids! Thanks again.

[@uplb1986]

How do you get to contact them?

[@63Spatch]

@@uplb1986 With the app. We texted

[@hankhamern5456]

I am using a can map with a stage 1 on 2020 m8. So far so good, probably 300 miles on it. Can't go wrong with Vance&Hines products. Fp3 is a great for me.

[@brodericklove7165]

Does your bike have RDRS?

[@NativeSD53]

I ended up installing a ThunderMax complete ECM replacement. It uses wide band oxygen sensors; for a broader spectrum on input into the ECM. They have sent me new files as I have upgraded my bike over time.

[@michaelvitelli7224]

Thanks guys. Im ready for my Vance and Hines mp 3 fuel pac. How ever,It intimidates me a little. Map, flash, ect. Im an old schooler that needs step by step. You tech guys make it sound easy. But Im not very technical. I have a 2014 ultra classic. Air cooled. Not cvo. Screaming eagle air filter,&Vance and Hines 2 into 1 pro pipe.

[@billhamilton6819]

Harley's come with radiators??

[@111Glenn]

Had confusion trying to do Automap with my '14 Heritage Softail with Stage 1. Called tech support. They asked me why I wanted to go through the Autotune. I just flashed one of their already Dyno maps....WOW. Got rid of a LOT of decel pop and better power and response. Forget all the Autotune stuff and just load one of their already proven maps from V&H. Great tech support.

[@dennisharrison4744]

Im going to invest in one soon for my 09 sportster 1200c like idle mine down to about 950 i tried a manuel idle valve and at 900 rpm went into gear so much smoother

[@jonathongallant9105]

Just ordered my FP3 last night. Planning for the 465 cam in the near future so a little forward planning. 👍

[@jonbassett8023]

I'm installing the Red Shift 468 cam. Check it out before you go with any other cam!! I'vegot a 2019 RK Special with the V&H Fuelpak3 and an Arlen Ness monster sukka, V&H power duals & SVT Boneshakers. My bike is now officially a BEAST!!

[@jonathongallant9105]

@@jonbassett8023 will do, do you have any videos of your bike, would love to hear it?

[@jonbassett8023]

@@jonathongallant9105 I've never posted a vid Jonathan. Will try to get one up for ya, need to learn how anyway!

[@djpedroneira1239]

Good morning, I got the fuelpak 3 for my Fatboy 2008, but I saw that the connector is 6-pin and my Fatboy the connector is 4-pin, my question is if with a 6-pin to 4-pin converter, would the Fuelpak 3 work in my fatboy, thank you

[@daveym2828]

Like any part, I assume the go bad, how often should you change it out and if/when it goes bad, what will happen to the bike?

[@theoc634]

Hi,what does adding more rmp to the bike do?

[@michaelbrown8320]

So do you have to leave it plugged in or can it be unplugged an still keep your maps an setting?

[@stevenchristensen2718]

Does the FP3 tuner work with 2020 touring bikes equipped with RDRS??

[@markjohnson998]

Doing cam, thunderheader 2into1 and high flow air cleaner on a 2020 road glide 107. Will this tune that set up?

[@GalvTexGuy]

Did they mention when we will have the ability to use the FP3 to activate the ABS so we can flush our brake system?

[@sunlessmortal3559]

Can u put it on a different bike. Change the vin?

[@mke7876]

Does it matter if you have a upgraded air filter when mapping your bike

[@markjohnson998]

I’m doing an s&s 465c cam, thunderheader 2into1 and high flow air cleaner on a 2020 road glide 107. Will this be able to this bike?

[@felixmasis3658]

I have a 2014 Harley ultra limited with stock 103 decated, with vance&hines slip on, stock buffles, and a K&N air filter, can the Fuelpak 3 get my bike tuned? I want to get some of that heat in my right foot. Thank you.

[@intillanes]

I have Cobra pipes installed. I don't see the Cobra in the list of pipes. What should I use in this case? Thank you in advance.

[@frankdeleon7574]

if i remove the cat on my 2016 roadglide special do i need to map it

[@stevec6838]

What preloaded map works with an S&S tear drop on a 103ho...? Is it considered a hi-flo?

[@FrankTheGonzalez]

Do you have to use screaming eagle air filter?

[@user-bl8bn4kb8m]

Does it use your stock 02sensors?

[@marcosmarron624]

What's the difference from california fp3 fuelpak and the regular fp3 fuelpak

[@TheKingsofcombat]

Where do I go in the fp3 to take off speed limiter?

[@CenobiteBeldar]

Can this improve fuel economy on a stock stage 0 Harley?

[@MichaelH416]

I do have one question. Harley-Davidson offers "parade mode" (EITM) on many of their bikes. I have a 2015 Ultra with an FP3 set up on it. Is it possible to still use the EITM/Parade Mode? When I tried to engage it the bike ran really rough?

[@billhamilton6819]

I just want to know how to turn RACE MODE on and off

[@isnull_or_empty]

Would love to see a video going over adjusting idle rpm for the m8s.

[@isnull_or_empty]

Jk, figured it out.

[@isnull_or_empty]

ZX-12R For sure! I just set it at 950. Stock config was set at 850.

[@isnull_or_empty]

Tommy Ealey it was 850 stock but I increased it.

[@tonybutera8809]

Does this void the warranty?

[@dennyshaffer3118]

Will system make appropriate changes after catalyst removal?

[@jpcycles]

Yes, that can be accomplished a few ways. By using one of the V&H maps referenced in the video (most common) or using FP3 Pro and running the auto tune feature.

[@bryansullivan9588]

What if you dont have baffles ?

[@MeathedMoto]

Interested to know how the FP3 takes into account for a cam shaft swap. I have heard from a number of people it just doesn't do very well with bigger bolt in cams.

[@Timmy2fingers]

Meathed_Moto did you watch the video?

[@patarsatar]

Hahaha he's so true with people who have flip phones still definitely have carbureted bikes as well

[@JK-cp9pt]

I wish you guys could do this vs a screaming eagle with that autotune . I only ask because I love the performance and options you can get from V&H and other companies. But it slightly worries me with HDs warranties, so I wonder is the screaming eagle product worth the cash or just commit to all out aftermarket?

[@EddieBlazer]

J K this is a valid question. It all really depends on rider to rider. If your bike is still under warranty then I personally don’t recommend this route. Now if you don’t care about warranty and you want the best bang for your buck, the FP3 is a solid choice. The screaming eagle tuner is ok, definitely not worth the hefty price tag.

[@greggriffin3242]

If I use the fuel pack to do pipes and a air filter upgrade will I have to buy a license to upgrade to cams

[@jpcycles]

No license needed, I would make sure V&H has the map you need for the cam upgrade though.

[@lownfastazmarc6964]

Is there a map for the short shots no baffles?

[@111Glenn]

Call V&H tech support...I did and they will help.

[@porkchopspapi5757]

You remove the unit once finished with the flash right?

[@ROADBISCUIT]

yes

[@5upgunplay551]

Power commander better step their game up. I'm switching

[@tarmak968]

My 2015 RGS with a tire schredder runs HOT. Can you adjust Fuel ratio 14.4 to 14.6 with the FP3?

[@dillonalexander9606]

Tar Mak yes

[@robertpolkamp]

To run rich is a lower ratio. 12:1 is rich, 14:1 is lean.

[@darrinmcland4236]

can we just leave the FP3 connected all the time ? Or is it better to flash and remove?

[@jpcycles]

You can leave it connected if you want.

[@eljayess]

Ya know ..... ya joke about carbs , but I can make one run perfect for $10 .

[@michaelwilliams2232]

I have a 2001 softail Deuce with Vance and Hines 2 into 1 pro pipes not fuel injected do i need fuel pack ?

[@jpcycles]

No, you would benefit from a carb re-jet. FP3's only work with fuel injected bikes.

[@michaelwilliams2232]

@@jpcycles Thanks for the confirmation !! Thats what I thought but someone said I needed to get One !!

[@porkchopspapi5757]

@@jpcycles I have 2001 fi. Will it fit mine?

[@jeffmartin6200]

Should the FP3 stay installed as a HD dealer told me to flash the bike then remove it.

[@jpcycles]

Better to remove it. Most bikes don't have a spot to stash it and leaves it susceptible to damage.

[@billhamilton6819]

@@jpcycles not sure I completely agree. It tucks away quite nice and allows my phone to make adjustments on the fly, wide band tune, and have digital readout instead. Having Vance & Hines send the latest and greatest tweaks works when I start my bike works. RACING MODE for 2014 FXDWG!

[@stevedawe8835]

Removed my V & H FP3 from my bike and being told I can’t use it with any other bike? Is this so?

[@billhamilton6819]

The good part is that it's not worth anyone stealing it.

[@evanmreid1234]

I have 07 twin cam, 2:1 exhaust, intake, FP3, ran great until I got Cams installed. Now it runs like crap n I don't even feel safe riding it. Nightmare

[@Tk1947]

You guys should let each other speak

[@billhamilton6819]

Easy on the caffeine Skippy as you're speed talking and talking over one another. How about the number to call, and maybe the hours you're open?

[@silvrbullit2007]

I watch all these videos, buy an FP3 and V&H tells me not to run it with Auto Tune. The main reason I bought it. Bike runs like crap and they say ride it for 2 tanks of gas (roughly 400 miles) each time they make a change.

[@3timefelon576]

Why dont they talk about the technology behind the tuner?

[@3timefelon576]

Funny how the tuners use a bluetooth connection to create a bridge between BT and Internet . V&H uses your phones internet connection to gather your data. Once you pair the fp3 to your bike the tuner can no longer tune another bike. I am assuming the tuner uses a basic bluetooth classic encryption. With the proper tool(Ellisys Vanguard) I am able to capture the link key which is encrypted from master to slave. Reset the tuner and use it on another bike to tune it.

[@KHIJAPAN]

Honestly I don't know how possibly you can make a snail go fast!? Though the application and the unit it self are great. Vince & Hines, make something for the real bikes...

[@nickeminoski2205]

Is it possible to unmarry this from a motorcycle? I'm trying to sell mine but its currently married to mine

[@davestuart1581]

Nick Eminoski No, you now have a $400. shelf ornament! Sorry man, it's married to that one bike for life.

[@billhamilton6819]

@@davestuart1581 at least it's not a fuse, blown once and it's all over. You walked down the isle with the FP3 and said "I do, til death do us part."

[@elithegreat6463]

Will Harley “detect” that you “Ever” had an FP3 on your Bike when you change it back to the stock Map when bringing your bike in for its 1000 or 5000 service ,??, cause once H-D finds a tuner other than theirs on an M8 your warranty is Dog shit ‼️

[@srace06]

👀

[@BobsGT235]

If you want to keep the factory H-D warranty, do not install anything but the Screamin Eagle tune. Because as soon as the dealer connects the bike to their computer, H-D will know it has a different tune in it. Reinstalling the stock Harley tune doesn't fool Harley.

[@elithegreat6463]

BobsGT235 That explains that...Thanks 👍

[@EddieBlazer]

It doesn’t void your warranty completely. Just the power train (which is the most expensive part) but Harley would still cover other components like electrical. That’s the risk you run when using after market tuners

[@THEelduderino]

No, not if you reflash to the factory tune & remove the physical FP3. I’ve used several tuners including the FP3, even had my H-D dealer install stage II on M8 & they suggested FP3 so we could flash back to stock if there was an issue. The stock flash will make it run terrible though, but the bike ECU is fundamentally a dumb device that can be manipulated & set back to stock

[@ivancucvara1946]

it would be so nice if you dont talk both at the same time so i could hear even one of you...

[@maurodeoz6114]

883R 2010 - Auto tune - FP3 Unable to detect an ECM FP3 Unable to detect an ECM FP3 Unable to detect an ECM FP3 Unable to detect an ECM FP3 Unable to detect an ECM and again and again...

[@bigblue3568]

$399.99 ouch!

[@reddog907]

CDN $500 double ouch.

[@jbhobbyist9372]

Use it one time and you break even and then some.

[@5upgunplay551]

Sounds better than power commander.

[@billhamilton6819]

You can't take it with you.

[@t.s.racing]

Your smug attitude is exactly why I spent my money with Dennis Kirk. And trust me, it's anywhere from $200-$1500 a month. Your attitude towards older bikes and their owners just shows your ignorance.

[@amandajensen3950]

@Tommy Ealey he’s upset about the carburetor joke lol EFI FOR LIFE

[@robertwolters]

Biggest POS ever. Even they told me it wouldn’t work when I called the to use with my SS 475… so they sold me something they say works but won’t

[@NativeSD53]

Brian's Voice cadence makes him Very hard to listen to and understand. Plus his poor articulation is so sloppy that many of the technical terms (new to a lot of us) are just a slur. Sometime when technical people that know the product So well, try to explain it to us non-experts, they for get that they are not talking to a fellow tech nerd....... Please get someone else for the video work... someone that talks slower and articulates better. It sounds like her running a verbal race.

[@111Glenn]

Put on the CC selection and read what he's saying. I agree with you...too fast!

[@PROTEUS_SEER-OF-EONS]

Drink some coffee before watching. I appreciate videos talking as fast as possible.

[@NativeSD53]

@@PROTEUS_SEER-OF-EONSI think turning on closed captions is a better suggestion. But coffee sounds good too.

[@PROTEUS_SEER-OF-EONS]

@@NativeSD53 I was going to say do a line of coke, but I held back

[@NativeSD53]

@@PROTEUS_SEER-OF-EONS Yeah... And I wouldn't want to waste that buzz on watching bike videos.