On Polarization: Yuval Noah Harari and Esther Perel in Conversation

Yuval Noah Harari is an historian, and the bestselling author of the popular nonfiction books 'Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind', 'Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow,' and '21 Lessons for the 21st Century', as well as the graphic novel series 'Sapiens: A Graphic History' and the children's series 'Unstoppable Us'. He is a professor of History at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and (together with his husband Itzik Yahav) is the co-founder of the social impact company Sapienship. Harari is considered one of the most influential public intellectuals in the world today. Follow him on his KZbin channel or via @yuval_noah_harari on Instagram.
Psychotherapist and New York Times bestselling author Esther Perel is recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on modern relationships. Fluent in nine languages, she helms a therapy practice in New York City and serves as an organizational consultant for Fortune 500 companies around the world. Her celebrated TED talks have garnered more than 40 million views. Her books Mating in Captivity: Unlocking Erotic Intelligence and The State of Affairs: Rethinking Infidelity became global phenomena translated into 30 languages. Esther is also an executive producer and host of the popular podcasts Where Should We Begin? and How's Work? Learn more about Esther and her new card game of stories at EstherPerel.com or by following @EstherPerelOfficial on Instagram.
This video was filmed live at the Alpine Fellowship 2022 Symposium in partnership with Bard College through the Open Society University Network and supported in part by a grant from the Open Society Foundations.

[@brandnewyorker]

my two favorite people in the world!!! such a delicacy

[@kubicmile9609]

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[@AthiestRadical]

Notes: 1. 7:30 2. 8:35 stunning argument by perel. 3. 19:20 4. 20:50 5. 25:40 she again interrupts Harari with a beautiful analogy. She is a genius Its usually Harari who dominates conversations with his broad arguments and crystal clear articulation; but he is humbled by Perel here. Gonna read her books.

[@paulkeogh9604]

At 8:35min Perel beautifully and succinctly articulates the consequences of a failure to collectively hold the complexity of a situation, preventing ambivalence from splitting into opposing aspects or sides. She defines the opposite of polarity as complementarity. When complementarity breaks down you get polarisation. She goes on to say that a complex subject cannot be responded to with an ‘either/or’ solution, and that once polarisation occurs, each party defends their position by denying legitimacy to the other, which only serves to intensify the opposition and amplify the conflict. So, having prepared the ground for a genuine dialogue, I was surprised by Harari's line of argument especially his repeated insistence on distinguishing between approaches to resolving conflict at the interpersonal and the international scales; even "cringing" at Perel's light-hearted quip analogising post-conflict, peace talks as makeup sex. In the end, Harari presents his solutions to conflict, which re-articulated Perel's repeated calls to remain open to the complexity with comments like "by listen to their story, and taking it seriously, and talking about it, and offering them a different story, or offering them a different viewpoint on their own story, they can actually change their mind." Harari goes on to describe another avenue to "escape this network of power" that involves sharing "the experience itself". He says that although all experience is shaped by the prevailing power dynamics of a given context, "the experience itself" cannot be fully described within an analysis of the vectors of power. He correctly explains that you can understand the forces that deprive people of food, but understanding the experience of hunger is something else. Perel responds to Harari's manticulating (my word for when a man re-articulates without acknowledgement what a woman has already said) by saying "this, what you just described, is my definition of therapy." Bravo, Esther. Or should I say, touché.

[@RuthLevy-tx2ej]

Perfectly said!

[@ginawang2692]

I love to hear him talk, he makes the obvious so simple to understand. No lying around about how it all is.

[@christinebluerirish]

I love to hear Esther

[@kubicmile9609]

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[@zeljkasotra5572]

Love the micro and the macro perspectives that Ester and Yval are coming to the polarity. Thank you for bringing them together. From single relationship (Esther) to many relationships (Yuval). Brilliant! We all need to learn how to bicycle. It is all about balancing! Thank you 🙏❤️

[@anna-tn8mg]

Yes, they meet on the prostitutional level. Yes, brilliant. They are rich and famous. And only this matter.

[@anna-tn8mg]

Our retarded ever babbling reality.

[@weltenrandwanderer2626]

Oh nice! A conversation between two of my favorite thinkers! I was not surprised that it turned out to be incredibly interesting.

[@kubicmile9609]

You like what he said here ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGTGpmuXmNx6m80

[@brightchange6065]

Yeah, so "nice" - this guy thinks you are a "hackable animal" and "FREE WILL IS OVER". "How fascinating, very interesting conversation ... "WAKE UP!!

[@Deepfriedchicken66]

Systemic Constellations (Family Constellations) is the approach that gets people to have experiences which they would otherwise never have. Works on a personal level, and on an organisational level. This modality can bring peace to us all.

[@babanamkevalamhpmgl]

Valuable input from both sides. I am glad the fear of penetration and feminine being seen as weakness were mentioned, by a male at that. These two things need maximum scrutiny and transformation: penetration has become associated only with aggression and overpowering and humiliation, while the fact that in most species primarily females take care of the offspring (which indicates nature would not relegate such an existential role to an inherently weak parent) has fallen out of sight, it seems. I wish Esther spoke more as her practical solutions are more valuable to me than a mere analysis...

[@ilconviviodimira4478]

So illuminating! Thank you!

[@mike56181006]

I think most of the rationale behind the behaviour of states and/or societies within playing under polarity dynamics is the fact that globally, states (and those societies within) operate under an anarchical rationale... hence the need or "convenient need" for speaking to each other vanishes - as Esther puts it, any complementarity need disappears - and this apparently obvious conflict resolution mechanism is not taken automatically as an immediate alternative. Great conversation of two experts on their fields!

[@brightpage1020]

It's so important to practice discernment - not to cancel out opposing voices - to hear them with consideration for critical thinking. This man works for people who envision a world that doesn't allow that type of thought. So it's important to discuss the potential benefits of that world, as there are plenty, for a handful or fewer people in context. That counts. But so do the potential downfalls or cons - for everyone else. I stress the word "con" in cons.

[@chilloften]

How so?

[@dallassegno]

so it's ok to point out that jews have an unreasonable amount of financial/ government/ media control? Ye24? so that's ok? then awesome.

[@brightpage1020]

@@dallassegno I don't follow, sorry.

[@anilorismith7946]

Apparently Dallas Segos comment was too inflamitory & has been removed by YT moderators...!

[@anilorismith7946]

@brightpave1020 You might be interested in Tereza Cavagio's take on this in her "Third Paradigm" YT channel video entitled: "Polarization on Esther Perel & Yuval Harari"

[@msditationhays3192]

Great full for this discussion, ideas, and heart!!

[@loudqa]

Did Harriet just ignored Persian empire when he said there was no democracy before the 90s?

[@LaSorciereFeuillue]

Deliberately sought Esther Perel on Christmas Day 2023 as Palestine is being erased by Israel. Very mature and interesting conversation. And so gently innocent. I sincerely hope Esther releases her insights for healing for us all to benefit from. 18:48 Oh. My. God 😢

[@anagois7791]

These two people are very good inspiration!

[@kubicmile9609]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGTGpmuXmNx6m80

[@richardsrensen4219]

Esther Perel is a wise woman thanks to youtube i can listen to her talks about relationship

[@Dogmatix-24]

We don't listen to others because we are busy listening to ourselves. When we are unsure we pretend to be sure, we wear the mask of certitude. Two people can talk only when they are equal or are made to talk by an external intervention. Polarisation, us versus them, is the easiest way to shore up power, at least temporarily. Polarisation collapses when the narrative fails.

[@janineschimmelpenninck3839]

Absolutely wonderful and insightful conversation. Bravo and thank you!!!

[@mohanadakilla3359]

This conversation is Straight to the point ❤👍

[@fedorilitchev5092]

I would love to see some historical/political examples of when discussion happens over the story one side is bringing to the table and a real shift of perspective comes out as a result. ie, of diplomatic therapy.

[@kaivonmassenbach4357]

Beeing one of the drivers of great reset and transhumanism - and now having a friendly talk about polarization. Harari also rather likes more to talk then to listen or understand. I would not expect him to have a real interest in peace. Sorry to say so.

[@slavicadjekic3374]

It looks like he🙄H. has 👂👂only for his word$ unfortunatly😞

[@thaissantos8180]

My 2 favorite speakers 🤩

[@ginawang2692]

“They identify with weakness…” Great sentence

[@Viseversa444]

The conversation ended in a cut😢

[@bethanyjames1461]

Great conversation!

[@MellowWind]

Great conversation. Is there a part 1 or part 3?

[@kristine6996]

The 8️⃣ is a deliberating approach.

[@danpotterf9175]

It's wonderful to see the Polarization model manifesting a peaceful genocide of depopulation.

[@flaviogago]

Great minds and great talk!

[@dancingisis]

I am gutted that one of my favourite therapsit is having a conversation with this man who calls humans "useless eaters" in the light of where we are in the world today, this encounters and dialogue is total bullshit. We have never lived in a time in the modern world where so many voices have been censored and shut down. Oh dear Esther, I really thought that you would know better.

[@jeanfred9462]

Was looking for someone with an opposing opinion; everyone else here seems to Idolize Yuval however he’s opposed to everything I stand for. His voice agonizes me

[@fifinana1000]

Yea, me too, absolute desapointment Ester

[@finalfantasy8VIII]

I am curious, where has he said that? A link would be helpful

[@jeanfred9462]

@@finalfantasy8VIII he’s said useless Class workers and such replaced by. AI

[@jeanfred9462]

@@finalfantasy8VIII just follow Yuval transhumanism and his WEF talks

[@antonyliberopoulos933]

Thank you!

[@jeanettejarmon]

This is a great example of man having self on the throne of each one’s life. If , by the Grace of God,Jesus, one can lay down his (or her) life for the other, they can get along. Be kind. Read the Bible. Read the New Testament.

[@jeanfred9462]

Yuval says it’s Fake News

[@kubicmile9609]

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[@fifinana1000]

Juval is a "golden child " of globalist Klaus Shwab, he's theories are dengerois for all humanity

[@aldoushuxleysghost]

@@jeanfred9462 well, Yuval will be in hell. There's that

[@jeanfred9462]

@@aldoushuxleysghost lol 😂 I’m not disagreeing I’m just saying what he said

[@monicatata6725]

Enjoy the conversation, manipulation explained and participation by a Thinker that wrote “Humanity developed Language for purpose of Gossip” in my perception Hurt People hurt People, Yuval could benefit from going within and healing.

[@samaryunis335]

Hi. Intelligent dissection of the human interaction dynamic. One thing to point out regarding Palestine- Israel, please stop referring to it as conflict. It is an occupation, a colonial settler subjugation, apartheid. Please use correct terms to describe what’s happening in Palestine.

[@anamikachandel18]

That’s what she said!

[@anamariaminucci243]

We need to use the knowledge of macroeconomy to solve the government problems. It is the only way to succeed.

[@fatadesculta]

Fighting is NOT the only option when you feel unheard in a conflict. Flying, freezing and fawning are too. His talk is too heady to me, why is he here at all in this topic?!

[@aperson2730]

Sometimes I think that there is only work and all else is illusion

[@hunorka11]

Harari is one of the most dangerous man in the world.

[@Sinoochka]

Dangerous for?

[@TaniaGallindo]

And completely psycho.

[@Maksudurrahman3639]

Why...?

[@DM100]

😂 Said no one ever (except maybe wannabe autocrats and/or super controlling people! 😂

[@inezkarkabe2454]

I agree. One of them.

[@mr_arifr]

nice shirt Yuval

[@TerriblePerfection]

He's a transhumanist advisor to Klaus Schwab, people. What exactly about him are you so impressed with?

[@masonvegas4336]

What is a transhumanist advisor?

[@TerriblePerfection]

@@masonvegas4336 Google that plus his name and read all about it. Not a pretty picture.

[@Deepfriedchicken66]

He is one of the greatest thinkers of our time.

[@masonvegas4336]

@@Deepfriedchicken66 yeah this person is just retarded. I've read 2 of Harari's books and only he speaks truths and facts. It's why he is sought after by every serious interviewer. All while this guy is picking his dingle berries saying It wouldn't even be worth explaining to this simp. He's already down the conspiracy rabbit hole

[@TerriblePerfection]

@@Deepfriedchicken66 If you say so.

[@eriksyring]

0: Humans don't naturally live as couples, humans naturally live in tribes within which they have multiple concurrent partners.

[@dallassegno]

oh yeah? this is your natural life? bravo

[@chetom700]

Just listen to Jiddu Krishnamurti if you want to learn anything about yourself, everyone else is talking from thought, not intelligence...

[@chipkyle5428]

I've listened to K for years. You are right. And sudden and profound change is possible. Total freedom. K's understanding is bedrock.

[@gamatogo]

The best Krishnamurti!

[@sunflower-oo1ff]

Yuval…the best always👏

[@brightchange6065]

Knowing THUMBS DOWN are hidden, I'm relieved to see no one supports Yuval or think he's the "best"???

[@lolongubeni1748]

Yuval too is dedicated to his ideals, missed opportunity. He comes across as less than brilliant and stuck in the ‘form’ Esther described in her opening remarks.

[@dallassegno]

her probably also had his d snipped by a pedo rabbi. oh well! don't blame the deli jews.

[@iart2838]

Disagreeing is a form of false power

[@GIawarenessmusic]

Brillian, muy bueno👏👏👏🌅👌✍️🌟💋

[@rachelarmel7547]

I'm shocked that Esther is doing this video..I expected much more from her..perhaps she doesn't realize what Harari's true agenda is.

[@AZULALU]

Shocked as well.

[@bulhakov]

And what is his agenda? I really enjoyed the dialogue and as a "veteran" of couples therapy I found myself nodding Yes to everything both of them said.

[@lilianaciocoiu2737]

"true agenda"??? Indeed, we are polarized. We see demons in any corner. The sad humanity of the 21st century.

[@POLYLIVING]

What am I missing?

[@ShellsPink]

Yes ... confusing... disgusting actually. An example of people just talking too much. Maybe I've been on this Earth too long ... Been there, done that yawwwwn ....

[@brightpage1020]

If I was ever a fan of Esther Perel, I see her for what she always was now in this interview by giving voice and credence to this man and a bullhorn on her platform.

[@Adam-nw1vy]

What does that mean?

[@sosenpott5445]

A strange connection between a full-figured woman and a castrated man.

[@dallassegno]

aaahahaha

[@lanabridges]

👏👏👏

[@dallassegno]

listening to gay people talk about bringing positive outcomes to humanity is never ending hilarity. bravo. long live babies born from butts!

[@piroskahalmagyi7393]

"You will own nothing and you will be happy." Hm? Who will decide this for me, dear Yuval? Who will own everything then, you? Seemingly innocent words, evil intention.

[@missyaman7053]

He never said that. Stop following right wing media.

[@danielmatalon9231]

What is wrong with that ideal to own nothing and be able to enjoy everything? Why would you fear that?

[@piroskahalmagyi7393]

@@danielmatalon9231 I grew up in Roumania, in Ceausecu' s comunist dictatorship. I have first hand experience of what happens if civil power is taken away in the name of some ideology.

[@danielmatalon]

@@piroskahalmagyi7393 thank you for sharing. Are you suggesting that is an answer to the question, though?

[@danielmatalon]

@@piroskahalmagyi7393 your past experience does nothing to answer what you fear from an historian with a point of view

[@ShellsPink]

Some people just talk too much ... and these people are idolized?? WHY??

[@2outhpawmma158]

This is what happens when you bully the school worm, always end up trying to ruin the worls.

[@marielleladt3830]

For me polarisation is the consequence of jugement. Both side are right in some of their arguments. that is what is difficult. I dont agree on Yval Harari on his analyse on Russia and Ukraine war. This is a very leftist analyze of the moment. On the other end I agree that every war end because of inability to sustain it. We can say the same thing about everything. It's a question who holds the power. We know who controls atthe moment.

[@AlejandroCastillo-wf1dt]

Very quiet audio. Too quiet to be pleasant

[@marianasalles242]

I love Yuval💚🌎✨🙏🏻🌱🌈

[@aldoushuxleysghost]

He's a poisonous little goblin and an enemy of humanity

[@ShellsPink]

Why??!!

[@midasghijsels]

@@ShellsPink Because he tries to decrease polarization and increase empathy around the world.

[@masluki]

The moderator is to much talking

[@sosenpott5445]

Oh, all the followers here?

[@kristine6996]

No.

[@carolinemuller-karl2111]

Please Yuval harari War starts in domestic arguments Never forget Man do it for proude Often more private The don't think about consequences Often And women around often give private power in that Makeupsex Even there Psychoscience let us know more about us like beings

[@kimmathewson9018]

From : James H. Mathewson Sr. JOHN 3 : 16 kjv recommended for all of you !!! Repent : The Kingdom of ✨GOD✨ is at hand ☝️ !!!

[@midasghijsels]

You do know the bible has nothing to do with god?

[@musicmusic9526]

EVIL HAIRY STRIKES AGAIN! - (yuval harari)

[@ecuanime7681]

Harari and Perel are incapable of going to the very roots of polarity and more specific bipolarity. Unable to identify the roots on patriarchal materialist binary (1) (0), winners and losers, to go deep into asymmetric power... in economic, politics, social, environmental, etc, etc...Anyone that resist, rebel against the asymmetric polarity and have to face the repressive military-police arm of nation state which legally protect the interest of the ruling elites in "liberal western democracies" which Harari - Soros - Schwab call it "Open Society". It is incredible that the so call "experts" defends liberal democracy politically, but not economically, culturally, socially, scientifically technological, etc...according to them there is no alternative to the power of liberal democracies (the only and ever the best system for human relations and of taken care of our planet.

[@brucesmith3740]

evil people above

[@estellefoster4084]

God is in control...Jesus Christ is His name. Harari is a lost individual

[@radhikaschwartz3499]

So are Christian fanatics

[@truthaboveall7988]

Hilarious - “God” which ones cuz this man touches God in ways no Church can ever offer

[@bto9063]

Harari is a lizard.

[@MarttiSuomivuori]

Why do people speak, what are they going to achieve? That is the primary question. Unlike the academics who get paid for words that do not move anything in the world there is another world where languages are used as tool and weapons. It does not matter if we agree. I want to win. Academics have rules, they have to stick to facts and logic but when I want something that belongs to you, I can talk behind your back, turn people against you, make false promises and threats and create stories where the crook is the hero and vice versa. And this is the real problem with communication. We think it is the words or understanding but it is not. It is the struggle for power. Why are the rightists and the leftists so polarized? Because they want hegemony. Who would come up with the words (or molecules) that would make them want cooperation instead?

[@danielmatalon9231]

If all you want to do is win, which I support that want, if you make more agreement you will win more. Agreement is a win, not a compromise

[@b.t.734]

Please. Dont use the word THEM. Say: Palestinians.

[@tamaratudoric-gemo6784]

I am asking 8 bil. people on earth,what to do with that thing Noah Yuval Harari......

[@TetGallardoUU]

What I'm hoping is neither of them support Isreal.

[@radhikaschwartz3499]

Right, but hope they support Israel

[@teresamoreira4470]

She cant listen and talk 😤

[@oliverposch666]

Two Criminals Hangin out. Nothing interesting.

[@brucemah609]

Esther....careful with your credibility...Yuval is a Sell-Out!

[@RamSadeh]

How twisted n telling on you Ester - choosing to sit down with Harrari . Yes he’s brilliant- brilliant at his philosophy of death- of the uselessness of most humans- of “ let them have drugs n computer games” so they disturb the Few humans that I suppose he himself counts himself amongst who deserve to live! A death philosopher with no God n for sure no erotics nor poetics of life in him So deeply disappointed

[@eugeniagantea2140]

Funny

[@eugeniagantea2140]

And sad that they think they are intellectual.

[@eugeniagantea2140]

The people are dying in cannot find their peace and they come to talk crap

[@Christine-nj3kl]

Noah 7 laws...

[@blinkypushbuttons]

Older people are out of touch. We won't be having relationships anymore. Have fun being narcissists living in the 80s.

[@deborahjordahl9040]

your adjenda is scary

[@4lugan]

Avoid these two people: j#wish