One Dream Bike, or Three?

[@Cycle.every.day.]

Oh,this convo is new only. This conversation gets much more exciting when you open it up to slightly used (year old,good condition,lowish miles)

[@Mapdec]

I think we will have to do that one day.

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

Infinite possibilities 😍

[@jonpoon3896]

I like the 2 Crux's idea. Get different paint jobs for each

[@KNURKonesur]

If my insurance paid 10k, I could buy all of my bikes I ever had for the last 20 years... twice...

[@JFomo]

Then you've never had any nice bikes before. Life's too short to ride shit bikes.

[@Mapdec]

impressive.

[@KNURKonesur]

@@JFomo to each their own, brother. Where I grew up I could never justify paying almost double of a yearly salary for a bicycle. That never stopped me cycling thousands of miles in several countries, visiting places I made lifelong memories in, meeting people who became lifelong friends. Never had a car, cycled to work for the last 15+ years, all year, in all weather, cycled to school, to uni, for groceries, for fun, for leisure, for mischief, for adventure, and almost never thought "this sucks, it would be sooo much better if I had a more expensive bike"... and every time I tried, it ended up being a disappointment rather than improvement. Your mileage may vary.

[@JFomo]

@@KNURKonesur You've had quite the life with many experiences, you should treat yourself and get a nice bike.

[@KNURKonesur]

@@JFomo one day I might :) many happy miles to you pal!

[@Alex-md6bu]

Scott addict 20 (2025)- 4300 Whyte t160rs - 3000 Scott scale 930 £1800 £9100 total leaves plenty to put a reasonable dropper on the scale and put pedals on all 3 & a set of premium tyres on the addict&scale… None of these are race winners, but all three are more than enough for average joe to do a road, light gravel, xc epic, trail centre bash or lift assisted riding day without being particularly held back by anything!!!

[@Mapdec]

Nice stable.

[@StephanieDaugherty]

An all city space horse, and a reese & muller carrie or if I want to be really adventurous, a Tern Orox, Between a touring bike with sufficient tire clearance to run as a gravel bike, and a cargo bike, I feel like I'd have everything covered, at least well enough to cover the immediate needs.

[@fleurdelispens]

RIP All-City

[@fleurdelispens]

Re Jake's point about building a bike for under 3k, I'll say I've built a damn good bike for that budget. Didn't cost me that much, since I had a bunch of the parts on hand, but $3k is what it's insured at. Soma Fog Cutter frame and fork, hunt four season gravel wheels, Ltwoo R9 2x11 hydraulic mini groupset, Shimano 105 11-34 cassette, Ali Express 50-34 cranks, YBN chain, GP5000 AS TRs, cane creek headset, and a Topeak Super Tourist rear rack because I do use it to commute and run errands. That Ltwoo groupset has treated me really well for the 400mi I've ridden it. I think y'all would be surprised if you got one to play with

[@WhiteBeardLife]

Probably a frame that could take 35-40mm tyres and have 2 wheelsets; XPLR wheels for gravel/training/fun and deeper wheels for road. I like the idea of the Pinarello X. Rotor crank set with direct mount chainrings - 46/30, 52/36. With 2 chainsets you could set up a road rear derailleur for 11/34, 11/36.

[@sykkel-nord]

I started with the idea of choosing between two cheaper bikes, the Specialized Roubaix and the Specialized Tarmac, but now I’m waiting for my Dogma X. I’m planning to cross Australia in January, and it will be my endurance, light gravel, and race bike. I got it for 900 £. on campagnolo super record s

[@mattswain552]

Jake the Crux addict 😂 Nice idea, this! Good chat. Interesting to hear the feedback on Scott; look forward to hearing/seeing more on them re: quality etc.

[@_J.F_]

I own a Halfords Vodoo Bizango (£750) and a Trek Domane (£4.150 but can be found on offer for under £3.000) so I probably fit into the category of bottom scrapers but I honestly don't care as all that counts to me is getting outdoors and getting some miles clocked up, and keep me in health and good shape. I can understand that if you are a pro rider, or a very keen top performing amateur, that you would want as close to the top specs as you can afford and justify but the for rest of us, which is the very large majority, I cannot imagine that the top spec bikes will get us onto the roads more often, or riding an awful lot faster either.

[@tonyjennison3199]

Just did this recently, took redundancy and got a payout. All my bikes where ridden into the ground. Got four bikes. One because I bought one too many, one to go to work on at my new job, a dream bike and a dream winter bike. Ribble Edurance titanium shimano ultegra £4000. Spa Cycles Elan mk 1 shimano 105 steel £1300 (commuter), Spa Cycles Elan Mk 2 titanium Ultegra with hand built wheels £3200, Sabbath Silk Route Titanium tourer from a local bike shop at a bargain £1600. N+1 is now broken for me. £10200. Went out on the Elan TI today, it's like riding on a sheet of glass that bike.

[@Mapdec]

Oh wow. Lots of Ti in that collection

[@tonyjennison3199]

@@Mapdec The Sabbath is old tech rim brake but hand built wheels with hope hubs and a cane creek headset, brakes are short pull TRP v's and they will stop you, as responsive as the hydraulics on the other TI's. Bargain and massaged my conscience a little as I bought it from a local bike shop. I keep them in the house. I've been amazed at the quality of the TI frames which I suspect in reality are made by ORA. The Ribble particularly as a triple butted internally routed frame is particularly well made, not that I can find a fault on any of them. Thank you for the reply sir with respect, I learn a lot from your channel.

[@JohnMayo-n6e]

Great video gents. Good fun.

[@bwarey52]

I've gone full Canyon for continuity..... Aeroad CF SLX8 ULTEGRA Di2/£6k Grail CF SL8 GRX RX822 1X £2700 Neuro 5 Deore M6100 £1300 Can't think of a situation that this lot wouldn't cover for me Thanks for the great content 👍👊

[@Mapdec]

That'll do

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

Ok 10k, forget the Time I'd get some cheap gravel bike deal or end of year sale like a kona rove or Cannondale top stone depending on what's available. MTB I'd get a new ibis ripmo frame build it with DVO suspension & carbon wheels & whatever I could find following the budget. Now the interesting part. I'd get any high end used roadbike I have money left to spend on 😂 Adaptation is the key when avoiding financing 💸

[@billsmith3439]

Off topic, but I don't know how else to get a hold of you. What bottle cages are you using on your Look 765. I just bought the same color, and I like the silver ones you have. Thanks.

[@michiganstate149]

A $3k bike is 90% as good as a $10k bike. With that being said, I'd have 3 bikes in this situation. A gravel bike (Lauf, $4k), a full suspension MTB (Santa Cruz Blur, $3.5k) and a hardtail MTB (Surly Karate Monkey, $2.5k). Put modest mid level components, then nice carbon wheels/hubs and the touchpoints.

[@Mapdec]

Oh. Love the Lauf idea.

[@nacnud2323]

On the sonder Camino Ti you can change the bars for free, and the tires are Goodyear which you know all about :)

[@Si1ent1]

hi guys. have a wonderful week and a lovely festive month ❤❤

[@paulhshudson]

Im curious how you'll get on carrying that e-bike up the lake district hills on the hike-a-bike parts.

[@morneauh]

I'm building a budget Time ADH 24, I bought the frame on sale at 1700 pound, I just bough a SRAM Red D1 upgrade kit at 900 pound. I already have the wheels (DT Swiss ARC 50). Now searching a 165mm SRAM red crank, just the arm, I have the power meter and chainring already. Also thinking of the handlebar probably will go with some chinese integrated one, like the superlight Avian Canary (240g), without going integrated, as I will probably travel with it. BB Rotor pf4630, Seatpost Elita One (130g) and some 130g saddle. I hope I will like it beter than my ADHX, at that price I could not pass on an ADH. I'm getting the ADH with the FSA headset this time, let see how it compare with the Deda. I'm trying to go as light as I can this time, I don't want an other 8,5kg+ bike like my ADHX. I really don't like this bike much, it's bulky, heavy and so stiff. I'm 58kg as a reference. My goal is to build a climbing bike, I was climbing 5000m per week this summer on the ADHX, I really love it, I just want something more nimble.

[@Antoine_Frs]

Wow, suprisingly close to what I'd do. As an alternative Deda Zero 100 RHM handlebars + Kalloy Uno stem (+ ti bolts) would be 100g heavier, but cheaper, easier to live with and the RHM shape is great. If you're going for TPU inner tubes and not tubeless, have a look at the Veloplugs instead of regular rim tape.

[@morneauh]

@@Antoine_Frs I have the Deda SuperZero RS handlebar on my ADHX, they are not particulary lightweight and with the deda superbox it's quite heavy (400g+ setup). This time I'm going lightweight. I will check the UNO, maybe that would be more flexible for my setup.

[@Mapdec]

The FSA is about the same. I like the look of the gravel one, but the road version looks weird. Enve probably make the best looking solution for a 2 piece. I still think the Deda Alenara is the best looking combo though. Weird to have a beautiful made in EU frame with Ali finishing kit. There is a very good reason western brands are heavier.

[@morneauh]

@@Mapdec I can still change my mind on the headset, they haven't shipped the frame yet. Deda is not western brand, it's from Taiwan. You can get the super light stuff, but you need to pay a premium for the deda superleggero. Chinese brand are not segmenting yet.

[@emonty62]

I made that choice, Nicolai Saturn 16 MGU!!!

[@Mapdec]

Oh. How is it?

[@Styrleden]

I would probably get the exact same bike that i already have, mondraker raze r with Öhlins fork and shock

[@abhattal]

Since second-hand was mentioned, any worries about buying second-hand carbon-framed bikes?

[@Mapdec]

Yep. Inspect, inspect, inspect.

[@jonpoon3896]

Go for alloy Crux, Chisel (alloy XC), and Allez

[@BMD8]

What can I buy with the 380eu that I got from Zurich insurance when my garage got broken into? ( They took 3 bikes, 2 mid range and 1 high end roadbike)

[@bwarey52]

One bike.... TREK DOMANE SLR8 AXS £8500 And £1500 set of deep sections

[@nigelwilkinson-xg9us]

I loved this, don’t forget to buy pedals though. They’re not great without pedals 😂

[@Antoine_Frs]

1 dream bike - There is no way on earth for it to be off the shelf, so : Time ADH, 4250€ Custom wheels, Venn 40 TCD SL on Tune Prince / Princess hubs, CX-Rays, 1640€ GP5000 S TR, 100€ Dura-Ace groupset, Cybrei crankset with XCadey power meter from Panda Podium, 2400€ + 900€ Extralite Hyperstem, Schmolke TLO bars and seatpost, Selle Italia SLR boost carbon, Look Keo blade ti ceramic, 1750€ Total : 11 040€ (10 000£ ~ 12 000€) ------ 2 bikes - A very solid Time ADH and a nice Origine XC hardtail. I like Origine because they have a variety of components you can chose from, and you can also select bar width, seatpost setback etc. So you don't have to save budget to swap components later. Time ADH, 4250€ Custom wheels, Venn 40 TCD SL on Bitex hubs, CX-Rays, 1420€ GP5000 S TR, 100€ Ultegra groupset, Cybrei cranks with XCadey power meter from Panda Podium, 1400€ + 900€ Kalloy Uno stem, Deda Zero 100 handlebars, Elita one seatpost, Look Keo blade, 385€ 8 455€ Origine Theoreme GTO Sid Select remote lockout Origine nicest alu wheels, 30 mm internal Schwalbe Racing Ralph / Racing Ray SLX groupset with XT brakes and XTR rotors Dropper post, nice finishing kit, XT pedals 3 465€ It could also be a Spesh Epic HT or Scott Scale, but I don't like that they use Sram DUB, and you can't customise them. Total : 11 920€ ----- 3 bikes - I went for matching Origine bikes, sticking with a higher-end road bike, a nice XC hardtail, and added a commuter/traveling bike inspired by the Zydeco flatbar builds featured on this channel. Origine Axxome GTR III DT Swiss Arc 1100 dicut GP5000 S TR Ultegra groupset, single sided Inpeak power meter Nice alu finishing kit 6875€ Origine Theoreme GTO Sid Select remote lockout Origine alu wheels, 30 mm internal Schwalbe Racing Ralph / Racing Ray SLX groupset Dropper post, basic alu finishing kit, Shimano M520 pedals 3220€ Origine Trail Gravel Flatbar DT Swiss 1600 spline (with DT350 hub) Hutchinson overide 38c tubeless Shimano Cues 1x11 Basic alu finishing kit, shimano PDEH500 pedals which are double sided flat/clipless Rear rack rated for 18 kg 2170€ Total : 12 260€, 1% over budget but including pedals and a rack ! There are some personal choices in there, for instance I need the q-factor to be as narrow as possible, so no Assioma pedals for me, the Cybrei cranks are available in 160 mm for my short legs, and at the speed I move my 53 kg 90% of the time I prefer a light and nimble feeling bike over an aero tweaked one.

[@Mapdec]

Oh wow. Love the detail. You should have been on this episode.

[@Antoine_Frs]

Haha, that would be fun to be featured on the "second hand edition"

[@jerseybarrier64]

Will the Dura ace crank even work with the Grx front derailleur?

[@Mapdec]

I think the frame might cause more issues with the height of the braze on

[@jerseybarrier64]

@@Mapdec Ha, that too. Jake is being too smug with his Crux's 🙂. Hope he throws his chain on his first ride and wipes out that fancy paint job. 😀

[@Tre7we88]

An interesting challenge. On one level, how far do you go before compromising principles, like quality, and be true to what you actually need? For me, £10k gets a half decent XC FS bike (£6k) and a XC hardtail (£3k) Then £1k for spares and servicing😊 On a different tack. Chapeau to Jake with his many Crux’s. This week another respected cycle KZbinr has suggested that Gravel and Cyclo-X bikes are practically the same thing now. Thoughts? …also surprised that the Mapdec 765 Look build wasn’t on anyone’s list?

[@Mapdec]

Yep the Crux is gravel bike now. The 765 for us is an excellent 2nd road bike for certain rides, but i wouldn't sacrifice owning a fast road bike for one. I rode mine today on 3 hour zone 2 ride in the rain. Perfect bike for it.

[@Fastfreddyii]

@@Mapdec Winter is here. How about Mapdec's thoughts on winter riding gear, and LIGHTS? To include off-road lighting of course.

[@Mapdec]

@ oh. We sort of did that on the winter deck out vid. Another one on the way. ‘Most comfort for least cash’. Probably won’t do bike lights, we have our own gym and to be honest because of that I don’t ride in the dark very much these days.

[@Andy_ATB]

Mason Bokeh, Brompton C-Line and a Fairlight Holt......

[@matthewlewis2072]

That's more than my actual 4 bikes are worth

[@carl90210]

I would cheat and pick up a Tarmac SL8 Dura Ace for shy under £10k in a Black Friday sale.

[@matejzima8210]

I was actually contemplating something similar to Jake's 1st choice, but with switching of components. What do you think about have a 2 single speed bikes(gallroad&mtb ht) and having a spare SRAM Eagle GX wireless derailleur with separate sets of cassettes and chains for irregular occasions? How feasible would that be to take off this wireless GX from on bike and put on another on a monthly(?) basis? Also, Simon: brother ewwwwwwwwwwww :)

[@Mapdec]

It would be more of a pain than you think as all the parts wear at different rates.

[@davidhope1910]

Glad you admitted to some snobbery, I was going to have a moan; the price of bikes is silly really and we need more influencers admitting the fact.

[@Mapdec]

This is just for fun, like fantasy football.

[@abhattal]

"Two very good bikes but not premium". Hmm, I almost kinda see what you mean, but... "Anything under £3k look second-hand". Ouch. Anyway, I think we have one "refusal", and one manic Crux multi-pack buyer. Neither of which played by the rules. Staff, eh. And, umm the co-owner. Hilarious. I suppose I'd be getting an Ultegra Look 765 Optimum, and not knowing what to do with the rest of the money (as well as wondering why insurance gave me £10k for one 15 year-old bike) :-)

[@chrisjong8412]

With that money and you still buy a Taiwan made S-works instead of something unique? To bad two of the guys spoiled it with discount and not even choosing two bikes

[@Mapdec]

I know right! Jake has weird Specialized addiction despite how many he has fixed, and Simon has a weird Pinarello crush despite his having numerous problems... I tried. 🤦‍♂️

[@aljaliah6868]

THREE !!!

[@andrewcockburn7484]

Only 3? 😨

[@isaacrosenberg3795]

1: brazing setup, 2 jig, tools, 3: bunch of tubesets Or f*ck this marketing and plastic bikes, and go to njs export.

[@matthewlewis2072]

Simon: TTs are pointless and dull. And the bikes are stupid, dangerous and ugly.

[@Mapdec]

😳 well we asked for an opinion... I'll disagree on the ugly bit though.

[@Local.hero.1983]

New? Bit bland, why not used.

[@Mapdec]

We will give it a go. Just been thinking it through. How do we know for sure the price, what deal was done, what the final bid price was. How do we know that it was actually ok and safe to ride etc. I will have a think

[@sativagirl1885]

it can be more fun to hook up with a wealthy woman who can indulge vigorous boy toys. Make #SHAGGING productive again.

[@Mapdec]

It might be all we have left soon 😂

[@Raymond-Farts]

A "Custom" build is not a bike you just throw parts onto a brand stock frame. It is a bike that a frame builder fabricates for you to your fit and designed using the tubing you agree upon with the builder. What a dummy. $10K would not cover what I paid for my custom made Strong Fabrications Titanium bike. If it got stolen I would quit cycling.

[@Mapdec]

Don people still do that out of practicality over romanticism?

[@Antoine_Frs]

You are talking about custom frame, they are talking about custom bike.

[@RobertNovotny-l2m]

looking for a woman

[@0-60.tests.with.Passengers]

Do any youtube channels do vids like this but with used bikes? I can't see anything even though it's more 'real World,realistic'

[@Mapdec]

We will give it a go. Just been thinking it through. How do we know for sure the price, what deal was done, what the final bid price was. How do we know that it was actually ok and safe to ride etc. I will have a think