One, Holy, BAPTIST, and Apostolic Church??

[@sivad1025]

It never sat right with me as a Presbyterian that we affirmed all the early creeds but made no attempt to reconsile with the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. And that became much more glaring after reading Ireneaus' perspective on apostolic succession. Protestants are forced to admit they agree with the creeds in text only; the intended meaning is so clearly at odds with Protestant theology

[@henrytucker7189]

Same for me. If words in a creed mean whatever we want them to mean, we no longer have a creed-- any more than we'd have a Constitution that can mean whatever we want it to mean. "I believe the 'General Welfare' clause of the Constitution means the Federal Government should pay for my abortion."

[@sivad1025]

@henrytucker7189 The Constitution literally says what it means by "General Welfare" in the proceeding sentence and somehow people still point to "General Welfare" as a catch all for anything that costs money. Seeing the parallels between Protestantism and judicial activism really raised some red flags for me

[@susand3668]

Dear@@sivad1025, you are right to see red flags! There is danger to Protestantism to let the Early Church in.

[@calebwheeler8143]

I have a similar thing with St. Irenaeus as an Orthodox Christian. I was recently reading "Against Heresies" and was really struck by how (in III.4.1-2) he states that "barbarian" churches with _no_ Scriptures whatsoever are fully valid churches because they possess the unwritten teachings of the Apostles. While I've not been Protestant for a while now (baptised as Orthodox last month), I was struck by how strong a blow to sola scriptura this is.

[@sivad1025]

@calebwheeler8143 It is. Although Ireneaus is also tough for the Orthodox since in that same book he says those apostolic traditions are safeguarded by the Church of Rome because of its roots in the most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul. It's hard to argue for Iraneous' apostolic succession while claiming that the Bishop and Church of Rome are binding their flock to heresy

[@andrewpearson1903]

They’d better be careful introducing the Nicene Creed into their services, they don’t know who will take it to heart. When I was sixteen my parents’ Methodist church started reciting it, and I was thrown for a loop to learn that they were supposed to believe in one holy, catholic and apostolic Church. Four years later I was Catholic

[@revelation12_1]

Especially since most Baptists are outwardly anti-Catholic. But the real impetus for this comes from a misguided belief that Baptists are the real and true Christians, even claiming that they existed before the Reformation but were persecuted so they had to go underground. Can’t make this stuff up.

[@GranMaese]

That's an awesome story. God works in mysterious ways, indeed!!

[@BensWorkshop]

Welcome home.

[@revelation12_1]

In this case, the word catholic little c means universal. But it does catch a lot of people.

[@BensWorkshop]

@@revelation12_1 Jesus founded one church. The Catholic Church.

[@GratiaPrima_]

Sooooo interesting as a Baptist to Catholic. It’s wild to see what’s going on. My parent’s Baptist church is now celebrating Ash Wednesday and Lent and Advent. Would have been unimaginable to me growing up. Good for them, and good or the SBC for leading to affirm the creed. Very important.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

It will be nice to stop having Baptists accuse Catholics of following "man-made traditions" such as Advent, Lent and Ash Wednesday, a crackpot accusation if ever there was one.

[@CatholicMedic]

Joe, I've only watched the first few minutes so far but I was eager to click when I saw the notification of your video with this title. I'm not even 10 minutes in and you're talking about so many things I saw as a reformed Baptist before coming home to the Catholic Church. We, as reformed Baptists (at least at my particular church) would confess the Apostles or Nicene creed every Sunday as part of the service. Our pastor and elders changed the words of the Nicene creed to "one, holy, CHRISTIAN, and apostolic church" and "we confess one baptism SIGNIFYING the forgiveness of sins". Once I started to dive into Catholicism more in more, I realized how crazy this was and out of line with the historic church. Definitely pushed me closer to the Catholic Church (and I praise God that it did). Feels good to be home and to know that I can with a clear conscious and full sincerity confess the original creed.

[@thisis_chavez]

Trivia: St. Evodius of Antioch is the one invented word Christian while St. Ignatius invented the word Catholic

[@thekingslady1]

....the gall of these Protestant Leaders😂....

[@CatholicMedic]

@@thekingslady1 some craziness for sure

[@zeektm1762]

@@thisis_chavezThe word Christian is inside of the Book of Acts, did you miss it?

[@SouthernFriedPap1st]

The happiest day for me was leaving the SBC sect and joined the Catholic Church in 2014. Since then, I experienced a firehose of graces instead of the cocktail straw that I was used to.

[@TrixRN]

Amen! We’re 2014 confirmation confrère’s from the SBC. I experienced the reality of Christ’s Real Presence for the 1st time in the Eucharist. Finally I know Jesus is with us until the end of the age; I can keep Him company in the Adoration Chapel of my local parish.

[@liberatewethepeople9121]

Adoration is the closest I can imagine my time in Heaven will be like. I long for my hour of adoration each week.

[@borneandayak6725]

Welcome home ❤

[@JoellHedges-dm1mu]

“I” really find it sooo interesting how now the satanist hiding behind the name of and pretending to be Catholic, and are losing money because the the Faithful Catholics know in what age We are in now. So now they are trying to convince Baptist to become Catholics as they look for a new money source. Funny thing though, WE ar living in Revelation 21:1-3. READ IT AND UNDERSTAND. May the GOD of Creation Bless those who love HIM. In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

[@dallasbrat81]

@@TrixRN cool I felt a lack of the presence of the Holy Spirit during a catholic mass . I didn’t feel good till I left . Yes many Protestant Churches observe the Eucharist. You just need to find the one for you . Like the Acts Church in the Bible .

[@BiteTheHook]

The Creed joke was killer.

[@supernerd8067]

As is Creed 😂

[@jimnewl]

​@@supernerd8067Who did Creed kill?

[@supernerd8067]

@@jimnewl there was a Halloween episode of The Office where he went to the office party covered in blood. He later said, "I did not know today was Halloween." He likely killed someone.

[@Godfrey118]

Baptists upholding the Nicene Creed but reinterpreting sections to fit their theology in opposition to the original authors of the creed is fundamentally contradictory to the purpose of a Creed! It's dishonest at its core

[@WayneDrake-uk1gg]

Cults create their own reality

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@WayneDrake-uk1gg You mean like the existence of the papacy since Pentecost?

[@WayneDrake-uk1gg]

​@@paulsmallwood1484 I'd say most Baptists at least acknowledge an unbroken line of succession from St Peter to Al Mohler. Where they disagree is whether Peter wore a red MAGA ball cap, or, as those liberal Bible College modernists sometimes contend, a red MAGA mitre

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@WayneDrake-uk1gg I’d say where Baptists agree is that unlike your Pope, you don’t promote the blessing of individuals in a same sex relationship and you don’t allow senior politicians who promote unfettered access to abortion to partake in the Eucharist. BTW I am not a Southern Baptist so as much as I admire Dr. Mohler, I don’t believe he has acquired the marks of the stigmata.

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@WayneDrake-uk1gg I’d say most Baptists acknowledge that, unlike Pope Francis, you don’t bless individuals in a same sex relationship and you don’t allow senior politicians, who advocate unfettered access to abortion, participation in the Eucharist.

[@kevinquinn1993]

Deprecating the idea of making a "the band, Creed" joke while still making a "the band, Creed" joke is classically good comic delivery. Well played sir! Having a light heart is helpful in being charitable to our separated brethren in consideration of such matters, further enabling us to accept one another in The Love of Christ, "With Arms Wide Open"...

[@tonyl3762]

Love how the video implicitly highlights the inherent division in Protestantism and shows the way forward to unity, not just among Christians today but also with our fathers in the faith.

[@samtatge8299]

New Catholic here. I stopped paying attention to Protestants It’s just easier.

[@gleeberger8966]

Not until I became Catholic 14 years ago, did I finally come to see and realize how false Protestantism is. I have learned over the years that they are apostate prodicals.

[@TruLuan]

Yea and definitely stay away from Restorationist "Christians" like the JWs and SDAs. They are worse!

[@mikekayanderson408]

And dangerous for your soul ! K

[@MegaMackproductions]

​@@mikekayanderson408 if you say so... I agree with the OP. There's not much point in listening to the gibberish of a bunch of heretics.

[@chernowitz]

Yes sort of like me ignoring catholic channels. In all honesty this apostolic succession thing makes the apostles cringe and laugh at the same time when they look at the Roman Catholic Church.

[@shellbackbeau7021]

Remember Joe, when it comes to puns and dad jokes, it's the quantity that makes the quality!

[@WayneDrake-uk1gg]

I think I have an algorithm for how Gavin Ortlund would refute this video: 1. Step One, define the Solas so loosely that Catholics would pretty much accept them, 2. Step Two, mine the Fathers for stuff that's vaguely in line with these Soft Solas, 3. Step Three, conclude from this that those Fathers were Proto-Protestants in the Hard sense that they'd totally break from the Church if they felt it wasn't holding up the Soft Solas exactly how they'd want it, 4. Step Four, assume a continuous spiritual link between historic Protestantism and the Baptist religion (ie, assume that not only would Calvin, Luther, et al permit them to live, but also warmly welcome them as brothers in Christ), 5. Step five, adopt the sacramental and ecclesiology of the 16th Century reformers, and assert it's part of the "historic Baptist faith". 6. Step Six, conclude that Our Lord's Church is indeed One, Holy, Baptist, and Apostolic. And once you do this, interpreting the Creeds in line with your "ancient Baptist religion" is relative child's play

[@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760]

i believe you've nailed it

[@billprorok8115]

My nephew just gave me a book on the Atonement written by William Lane Craig. Your explanation fits perfectly for what WLC did in this book where he says penal substitution has always been accepted by believers. He mined the Fathers for stuff that is vaguely in line with penal substitution, like they were proto protestants. Thanks for a good explanation.

[@WayneDrake-uk1gg]

@@billprorok8115 it seems like the very essence of Heresy is to take an idea that's more or less correct, but then make it overly specific, and finally use it as the basis for setting yourself up as a cult leader in opposition to the existing Catholic Church. I mean, I guess Ortlund and WLC aren't really heretics, themselves, at least not in that sense, since they were never in the Church in the first place. But, my word, they certainly go out of their way promoting doctrines and approaches to Christianity that are inherently just straight up endlessly divisive

[@Americanheld]

Lol nailed it

[@calebwheeler8143]

Reminds me of a thing I've noticed with a lot of Protestant apologetics - they say that Protestantism is sola scriptura, and assume that once that's proved you're automatically a Protestant. But no. Sola scriptura is the chief doctrine of Protestantism, but it's far from the only one. Protestantism is a 66-book canon. Protestantism is a belief that the True Church is solely a matter of the Word rightly preached and the sacraments duly administered. Protestantism is the perspicuity and sufficiency of Scripture. Protestantism is justification by faith alone. Protestantism is penal substitutionary atonement and imputed righteousness, and so on. And I see good reasons to reject all those things. So, even if I was convinced of sola scriptura, I wouldn't return to Protestantism.

[@Godfrey118]

10/10 video! This whole argument has been on my mind for a while. Every time I i see a church with baptist theology have the creeds on their website (to seem more orthodox/traditional) I get frustrated, knowing the dishonest reinterpretations that are taking place

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

If they were to adopt it, they would just shift the semantics to agree with their existing beliefs rather than shift their existing beliefs to what the writers of the creed meant

[@Rabbit19964]

Even if they did accept it, only a few would abide in it the rest would start new churches, just saying from assumption based on previous examples of schism internally between Protestant branches

[@susand3668]

But at least those who heard would hear! It wasn't until I was in my teens that I realized that "Our Father" meant *Our* Father -- that I was being a child of God *alongside Jesus* whenever I prayed this prayer.

[@lewenohen]

Giving you double thumbs up, with my arms wide open

[@shamelesspopery]

That takes me higher!

[@N1IA-4]

When I was a Reformed Baptist, and after that Presbyterian, and after that, Lutheran, the Nicene Creed always became a huge issue in moving me away from their false positions, which one would have to engage in cognitive dissonance to recite them in good faith. As a Catholic, I never have to engage in such dissonance.

[@Hoosie_]

I was on a similar track. Reformed Baptist to Presbyterian to Anglican, then almost to Lutheran before becoming a Catholic this year!

[@IndianaJonesTDH]

Man was slowly climbing the ladder

[@susand3668]

Dear@@Hoosie_, welcome home!! I know there are difficulties in making such a leap of Faith -- but it is well worthwhile to gain the many Graces God has been offering you (the unique, unrepeatable you!) from the moment of your conception. Enjoy your greater access to the Holiness of God! And please say a prayer for me; and I am praying for you

[@chernowitz]

I have a suspicion that your religion journey will not stop at Catholicism. You’re one of many undecided believers that is tossed all over the place. Can’t make up your mind can you?

[@N1IA-4]

@@chernowitz and how would you know that exactly ? You don’t know me bro.

[@kentadamson6992]

Great Video! Studying the creeds was one aspect that helped me in converting from Protestantism to Catholicism. Between what the creed itself says, coupled with the fact that it was written in councils it sounds purely Catholic. The creed is a witness to the true Catholic faith that Christians throughout every generation have affirmed.

[@steadydividends571]

This exact topic is why I left Protestantism. If I’m going to complain about liberals misinterpreting the constitution then I had to be humble and admit baptists were doing the same thing with the nicene creed.

[@nionashborn7626]

I sent this to a protestant friend, and today he said he's considering conversion

[@HillbillyBlack]

The Church Are we not fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God? Isn’t the household of God built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone? Are we not smaller stones, like peter, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord??? Are we not being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit???

[@IsaiahINRI]

​@@HillbillyBlackIt's hard to build a building when some of the bricks don't want to lay with the rest

[@HillbillyBlack]

@@IsaiahINRI The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

[@IsaiahINRI]

@@HillbillyBlack Exactly my point. You cut yourself off from the teachings of the church that Christ established and you get bastardized understanding and neo-gnosticism(or just gnosticism in some cases)

[@animalcart4128]

​@@HillbillyBlack My brother in Christ, what are you doing? 💀😑

[@TylerByars]

Grew up southern baptist and pretty far down a high church/apostolic church and sacramental rabbit hole at this point. Not even finished watching all of this but it might be the straw that finally broke the camels back

[@helenr.2184]

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻for you

[@joyhenry-dp8nd]

Yes, come fully home! I finally (after 20 years on the fence from reformed Baptist to Anglican) joined the Churvh and it is so wonderful to be a part of Christ’s Churvh and receive His graces, especially confession and our Lord Himself in the Eucharist! Have you read Thomas Howard’s book Evangelical is not Enough? He was a brother to Elizabeth Elliot who became Catholic after being Anglican. Loved his book. Also, Brant Pitre’s books- Jesus and the Jewish roots of the Eucharist / Jesus and the Jewish roots of Mary- both are excellent reads if you haven’t read them. :)

[@cameronbailey9704]

Watch Suan Sonna's Peter-Eliakim typological argument for the papacy over at Intellectual Catholicism. That sure broke the camel's back for me.

[@t.d6379]

Welcome Home (you're at the door about to walk in)

[@DustyBooks2020]

I also grew up Southern Baptist…check out Eastern Orthodoxy!

[@thecatechumen]

That Berkhof quote is great! I wish I had it when I made my last response video to Ortlund.

[@_ready__]

The creed fails to acknowledge that Christ died for our sins. Subtle deception the lost never notice. The d ville loves the creeds. Yeah let’s give the power to the church and the water!?!

[@jonw881]

As a former baptist, I knew that a reinterpretation of "universal" would be the most passable workaround, but I knew even more that serious gymnastics would have to occur around "I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sin." I suppose it could only be accepted if it meant one "baptism" (with heavy air-quotes) which is "for" the remission of sins - but at that point, why bother?

[@paulsmallwood1484]

How about the work around that there was a papacy in the first century or that Peter was ever in Rome? Did you just ignore those work around?

[@susand3668]

Dear@@paulsmallwood1484, keep up with the times. -- Peter himself said he was in Rome when he used the code word "Babylon" in his first letter, 1 Peter 5:13. -- Further, his bones have been found in Rome, with testimonies in graffiti that this, their burial place, was a place of pilgrimage from the very first ages. -- In addition, there is no other place that anyone ever said that Peter died in -- And, every witness says that Peter died in Rome. Goodness, how you argue! When you say that there was no papacy, because there were several bishops in Rome, you don't seem to realize that you are reflecting one of the early theories of the papacy -- that Peter was supported by John and James, so his successor would have 2 supporters (see also Moses and his 2 supporters as types of the very first -- and we have this reflected in the first 3 popes who succeeded Peter. Linus died first, and after him Cletus, and last of the three was Clement, who may have written his Letter to the Corinthians in the 90s, but more likely wrote it in early AD 70, according to internal evidence. The early Church was wonderfully active and filled with prophets, as the Church grew rapidly from the seeds Jesus had sown into the continuing Teaching Authority through the Apostles and the successors of the Apostles. They were real Christians, ready to die for Christ. We should not dismiss them so casually.

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@susand3668 How you love to put words in my mouth. So when Joe posted a video entitled “One, Holy, Baptist and Apostolic Church”, you didn’t think that would spur on argumentation? Did you think Baptists should just sit meekly by while they were being misrepresented and disrespected? Code word Babylon? Is that the best you’ve got from Peter to validate his presence in Rome? I said that when mono episcopacy came to the Christian congregation in Rome (latter part of 1st century), those first single bishops had no concept that they were the supreme pontiff with sovereignty over all Christians. Neither was this universally accepted by all Christians everywhere. The claim that the human remains of Peter are located under the altar or pulpit of St. Peter's Basilica in Vatican City has been a subject of tradition and belief within the Roman Catholic Church for centuries. However, there is no conclusive archaeological or scientific evidence to definitively prove the presence of Peter's remains at that specific location. Given the religious significance of the claim and the lack of conclusive scientific evidence, the location of Peter's remains beneath the altar or pulpit of St. Peter's Basilica remains a matter of faith rather than proven historical fact. The tradition of a 25-year episcopate of Peter in Rome is not earlier than the beginning or the middle of the 3rd century. The claims that the church of Rome was founded by Peter or that he served as its first bishop are in dispute and rest on evidence that is not earlier than the middle or late 2nd century.

[@jonw881]

Hey @@paulsmallwood1484 I would just like to point out that instead of responding to my comment, you ranted with a whataboutism re/ the papacy. Not relevant and shows you don't have a way to account for my original point. Not a good way to argue.

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@jonw881 Rant? My response to you consisted of two sentences. That hardly qualifies as a rant. My question posed to you was a legitimate one. After all you are the one commenting on your experience as a former Baptist dealing with “work around”. I just made a reasonable response to you as a practicing Baptist. What? You don’t want anyone to challenge you? The whole point of Joe’s video was to go after Baptists. Fine. Baptists aren’t above critique. However, as a Baptist, I should be allowed to challenge Joe’s opinions without having my comments cast as a rant.

[@mariatr492]

I hope this doesn't come off as snarky, but it seems weird for them to essentially say "We've just now realized (~1700 years later) this profession of faith from the early church should define our beliefs". Especially with the assertion that's sometimes made about being the early church/ church read about in Acts. I'm not versed on the history of the SBC though.

[@rouxmain934]

Don't worry brother, your comment is the nicest argument I heard from any protestant this year, probably ever. And I'm not trying to flatter you here, I'm serious. In a nutshell if we build upon the same faith as the Apostles then it makes sense. The Nicene Creed also had a predecessor, the Apostles' Creed, and also had some changes (Filioque and another modification iirc). But as I said, we build upon the same foundation of Christ, through the Apostles and their successors and with a lot of history throughout each century. And if I see in the documents of the 1st and 2nd centuries the exact same teachings preached about the eucharist today in the Catholic Church, then I have quite a strong argument in favour of the Catholic Church.

[@mariatr492]

@rouxmain934 I'm Catholic btw haha, so yes I agree with your line of reasoning! My comment was me thinking out loud about by affirming one piece (creed) would necessitate looking into what else the early church believed

[@mariatr492]

@rouxmain934 An entertaining post I saw on Twitter/X was that if the SBC affirms the Nicene Creed now then it'll only be 106 years til they affirmed Mary as Theotokos!

[@sproutfire8878]

Around the 13 minute mark, Joe , you had me clapping my hands in agreement. Don't redefine the Creed with your own interpretations. Bravo, Sir!

[@PamTecklenburg]

This one is worthy of another listen. Thanks for covering this topic.

[@josephc9963]

Another great instalment. Keep 'em coming!

[@GranMaese]

Fantastic job, Joe. As always.

[@treeckoniusconstantinus]

Loving the new graphics setup, Joe!

[@shamelesspopery]

Thank you! Thomas is the new editor behind the scenes for both my podcast and Counsel of Trent, and he's doing an amazing job.

[@marissabuyao2092]

Very educational and spiritually very helpful. Thank you for this video ❤

[@OPiguy35]

If you wrote the Creed Arms Wide Open joke, well sir, you’re even MORE brilliant than was already known. FANTASTIC

[@shamelesspopery]

Hahaha, thank you! Glad someone else enjoys my terrible sense of humor.

[@lynngraham5841]

Excellent as always. Great historical evidence.

[@danvankouwenberg7234]

"It's kinda *nice seein'* this kind of debate...." Well done, sir!

[@MaranglikPeterTo-Rot]

Thank you Joe for yet another great work 📌

[@susand3668]

I am so glad to see this -- it is a way for me to enter into conversation with my Baptist nephew!

[@TheMoreYouSew]

Lolllll the Creed and Nicene jokes! My whole middle school era is defined by With Arms Wide Open 😅🤣

[@MGR1900]

What does this even mean?

[@Ruudes1483]

@@MGR1900”With Arms Wide Open” is a song by the rock band Creed.

[@rouxmain934]

"IT'S JOHN THE BAPTIST, NOT JOHN THE CATHOLIC" 😂😂

[@priestsfortherestorationof9390]

St. John believed that Jesus was the Christ and as the Christ He is God, therefore he is Catholic and not a protestant.

[@JB91484]

What if I told you John the Baptist was not a "Baptist".

[@ddzl6209]

@@JB91484 John the Baptist believe in Jesus not the satanic cult of sola scriptura

[@JB91484]

@@ddzl6209 I think you're preaching to the choir

[@bernard9349]

Calm down guys. Its just a joke 😅. But anyway its funny though

[@KathleenHughes-gm3jx]

When I was growing up in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, the Nicene Creed in our hymnal read "one holy CHRISTIAN Apostolic church" though, confusingly, the Apostles' Creed had "One holy CATHOLIC Apostolic." When I asked about the change in the Nicene Creed, I was told that the wording was "in common usage during the 16th century." Wonder who changed it ...

[@P-el4zd]

Do you know why that they did that? Because in the German language they did not have a word for Catholic. So when they translated the Creed, the creed was being translated from German. They have footnote explaining that “ Christian” is synonymous with Catholic. They also say that Athanasia Creed but use catholic. It has nothing to do with them not liking the word Catholic. They also referred to themselves as Augsburg Catholics. There’s been discussions in the LCMS with the next hymnal to change the word to Catholic. So is the Creed wrong for using Christian-no. Because back then the German for Christian was synonymous with Catholic.

[@DustyBooks2020]

@@P-el4zd I don’t know if what you said is true, but I spent a year in the Lutheran church before moving to Orthodox and our pastor specifically talked about how it’s not Catholic but Christian.

[@dave_ecclectic]

@@P-el4zd Then they should have either introduced the word "catholic" into the language or simply used "universal" as Catholic does not mean Christian and is not synonymous. with Christian.

[@P-el4zd]

@@dave_ecclectic It had everything to do with the German language. Making a big deal out of nothing. If you want to be technical the one true church is the Orthodox Catholic Church. ☦️

[@dave_ecclectic]

@@P-el4zd I don't know why you say an incorrect translation is nothing. After all YOU brought it up. Yes, the Orthodox Church is technically true, being in Schism as it is.

[@smartismarti4049]

Joe, can you revisit Mormonism again to do a detailed compare/contrast of LDS vs Christian belief about the Holy Spirit?

[@WayneDrake-uk1gg]

There is a certain "charm" to the Baptist faith. In their separation from "the world" they've managed to construct a little piece of Heaven on Earth; a safe and simple little universe with clean, clear-cut answers. Not wanting reality to get in the way of a good dream, they cement the walls of their bubble through institutions like the Creation Museum. And if they can Interpret "historical science" as supporting Young Earth Creationism, it's really not that difficult to interpret historical creeds and figures (whether the Nicene Creed or the US Constitution, the Church Fathers or the Founding Fathers) as fully Baptist

[@paulsmallwood1484]

Condescend much?

[@WayneDrake-uk1gg]

@@paulsmallwood1484 the fact that I consider the Baptist faith to be a childish and stupid expression of Christianity should not be taken as condescending or insulting. On the contrary, the Bible is rife with verses like "Unless you become like little children" and "God chose the foolish things to shame the wise" etc. And it's very possible that I've been "ruined by vain philosophy" C'est la vie. But at some point we all gotta do the best we can with whatever light God gave us, and know that whatever happens is ultimately in His hands. So may God have mercy on all of us sinners, morons, and beggars

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@WayneDrake-uk1gg well first of all there is no “Baptist faith”. Baptists are a particular Christian tradition. They subscribe to the Christian faith. Your opinions of Baptists are based on caricatures and misinformation which you gladly pass along. I personally could care less if you like Baptists or not but if you are going to talk about them be respectful. According to Vatican II they are Christian brothers and sisters. The best we can do is when moved by the Holy Spirit, repent, believe in and trust Christ as our redeemer. Following conversion to our only hope of salvation, the next best thing we can do is submit to the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit who is our guide and helper in becoming more Christ like and more obedient to his will. The redeemed are fully united to Christ and receive all of him. There is no “whatever God gives us”. Christ isn’t doled out to us in drips and drabs. Yes we trust God. We trust him to be faithful to his promises.

[@frankrosenbloom]

Thank you for an excellent review.

[@vinciblegaming6817]

31:35 LOL I have tried making that point so often. No one goes bragging about getting a bath! Oftentimes, not even a good bath 😂 2 Kings 5 helped me so much on this subject - it was like a lightening bolt.

[@HillbillyBlack]

Hey man replying here. Just your last comment from the other thread. That thread is censoring my comments for some reason. I suspect the channel owner. He’s done it before. Ironically I don’t have this problem on protestant sites. Just goes to show strong opinionated contrast opinions are scary to the uninitiated I suppose lol It is universally admitted in all ages, that religion is vitiated and perverted whenever false opinions are introduced into it, and hence it is inferred, that whatever is allowed to be done from inconsiderate zeal, cannot be defended by any pretext with which the superstitious may choose to cloak it. But God, in vindicating his own right, first proclaims that he is a jealous God, and will be a stern avenger if he is confounded with any false god; and thereafter defines what due worship is, in order that the human race may be kept in obedience. These he embraces in his Law when he first binds the faithful in allegiance to him as their only Lawgiver, and then prescribes a rule for worshipping him in accordance with his will. The Law is designed as a bridle to curb men, and prevent them from turning aside to spurious worship. Unless everything peculiar to divinity is confined to God alone, he is robbed of his honour, and his worship is violated. The distinction of what is called δυλια and λατρια was invented for the very purpose of permitting divine honours to be paid to angels and dead men with apparent impunity. For it is plain that the worship which Papists pay to saints differs in no respect from the worship of God. A distinction without a difference. The idea of the Saints cheering us on is certainly novel and possibly even supported in revelation 5 to a degree. That’s not something hard to believe but in Christian practice praying to them is not supported in any shape or fashion. The church militant is where we should exist not the church glorified. We look forward to the church glorified but our existence is corporeal with the church militant And we should ask for intercessory prayer with those alive so as to not offend the law. We certainly see in revelation gods perception of our prayer and how it’s delivered by specific elders of the old and new covenant split by 12. But you still have to pray to someone to ask them to pray for you. That is still a distinct barrier and a time spent that could better be spent in communion with God direct.

[@claybody]

That title made me chuckle.

[@461weavile]

"Do you believe Jesus saves?" "Of course not; there were no computers back then."

[@priestsfortherestorationof9390]

Catholic means Universal, that is to believe ALL that Jesus taught. Protestants, well, protest.

[@euengelion]

I’ve realised that they’re convinced with mind, body, and soul that the Catholic Church is the big bad guy. And there’s not much we can do for some who are like that but to pray for them.

[@patriciamvisnofsky4750]

The Rome Catholic Church is High Catholic everything comes from Rome had a friend was HRC afraid to do anything my other friend went to the universal Catholic what a different My Rev always want use to verses 95 then the Niece Creed

[@dave_ecclectic]

@@patriciamvisnofsky4750 WHAAAAT?

[@dragonbricks7086]

46:20 & 46:53 Thank you for these. These are the best intellectual argument for infant baptism for my own understanding of my Catholic faith. I was wondering why I was drawn to this episode even though the topic (as per title) did not interest me. Can't argue with the work of the Holy Spirit.. 🙂

[@jeromepopiel388]

Intellectual arguments are the wisdom of men, not scripture (truth) Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.7:14 1 Corinthians 2:4-5,13 [4]And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: [5]That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. [13]Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. It truly boggles the mind how people can totally ignore the scripture and then say they're speaking for God! Nowhere is it said that water washes sins away!

[@justxigoldenix9909]

I'm using that "a road to Damascus moment" Joe. Stashing that in the back pocket!

[@BensWorkshop]

Good work. Many thanks for that.

[@dorakinwarhammer2946]

the age of wordsmithing has arrived. Lots of "changes" to accommodate heresy.

[@yeeezyseason]

No matter how clear the Church Fathers were, protestantism always manages to bastardize and twist their sayings and teachings.

[@stooch66]

Just like they do with the Bible. They come with their preconceived theology and find what they want. I have seen people like Allie Beth Stuckey tie themselves in knots explaining how Scripture is totally clear on what they already believe (it’s not), and totally silent on what they don’t believe (it’s not). Yet, they won’t ever admit they are being their prior beliefs to their exegesis.

[@Maranatha99]

Because the church fathers... 1. Are not out authority, 2. Opened the door to many wrong doctrines in the early church. Pls, Google The Fallibility of the Early Church Fathers: Why Christians Should Look to the Bible Alone for Doctrine

[@Maranatha99]

​@@stooch66hello! Could u name some specific examples, pls?

[@mikekayanderson408]

No matter how clear God is, no matter how clear Jesus is, , no matter how clear Scripture is - various church fathers and the Roman church today manage twist their sayings and teachings. Look to yourselves first! Joe does exactly the same thing. K

[@tonyl3762]

​@@Maranatha99When are you going to respond to my previous comment about mediators and the early Church Fathers??

[@TruthHasSpoken]

Lutherans, Baptists, Evangelicals ... all believe that the early Church was of their denomination.

[@mikekayanderson408]

No we do not claim that at all. We just claim to believe Scripture not church fathers. You are the ones - who have the most error - who claim the early church eas the Catholic Church by which you mean the Roman Catholic Church as it was in the Middle Ages and up to the present. K

[@TruthHasSpoken]

@@mikekayanderson408 "We just claim to believe Scripture not church fathers" Rather, you claim to believe your fallible interpretation of scripture; that the Father's disagreed with you is problematic, especially when they were of one faith, or nearly so, on topic. What authority do you have to say that your interpretation (or your pastor, or denomination) is correct, and they they all errored? You need evidence, proof. Perhaps you can start with the nature of the Lord's Supper. You can quote scripture. They quoted scripture all the time. Sola scriptura doesn't help you.

[@_ready__]

@@TruthHasSpokenthe so called Early church fathers were just some of the first ones to walk away from Paul’s teachings and follow the apostles doctrine for Israel. Hence the RCC has claimed to be the New Israel. They preach a false gospel and therefore let Paul are accursed. Sad deal

[@siruristtheturtle1289]

@@_ready__ The early church fathers you are condemning right now are the ones that compiled and canonized the Bible you pretend to use to condemn them. How can you square your doctrine with the fact that your Bible was put together (according to you) by heretics?

[@CatholicWithaBiblePodcast]

This topic always make me want to pull my hair out. Maybe that's why I'm bald...

[@_ready__]

The creeds fail to acknowledge that Christ died for our sins. Subtle deception the lost never notice! The devil loves all the creeds….

[@zeektm1762]

@@_ready__The Nicene Creed quite literally says: “For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.” I am not sure why you must misrepresent history. Does your worldview rely on it?

[@_ready__]

@@zeektm1762 that’s exactly what it says! It does NOT say that Christ died for our sins? Can you show me where it does say Christ died for our sins? TIA

[@_ready__]

@@zeektm1762 then read further …. The false creed like a to give power to the church and some water! Grace and peace

[@zita-lein]

Loved this! ❤️💙

[@rickpaul4216]

They are okay with small "c" Catholic as is shown in the Nicene Creed in the current missals.

[@jarrett7541]

Well done!

[@alternativefactory7190]

Joe, you absalute mad lad!!

[@JPHolling]

Currently attending a baptist church and this is one of the things that really bother me about it. They dont truly value baptism

[@MasterKeyMagic]

Protestantism is relativism and now revisionism

[@elizabethking5523]

Wow. Yes! So true!

[@gk3292]

@Masterkey…spot on!!🎯…Protestantism is intrinsically relativistic & revisionist..

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@gk3292 That’s rich when a Roman Catholic starts calling someone else a revisionist. Roman Catholicism invented revisionism.

[@lukeohanlon2960]

Love these topics Joe! Looking forward to the Luther one next week!

[@TheMoreYouSew]

Also I literally do the "Twitter or X or whatever it's called" too 😂😂

[@MegaMackproductions]

"The social media site formerly known as Twitter"

[@shamelesspopery]

Ex-Twitter

[@SaintlySaavy]

I really see Baptist and non-denominational faith as “be your own god and read into the Bible what you want, justify sin etc” How different is that from Mormon's?

[@Saiyan585]

I couldn't help but laugh when I read the title of the video.

[@Hilaire_Balrog]

I grew up Baptist and never heard of the Creed or knew such a thing existed until I began studying and entered the Church.

[@xxrandmlinksxxbruh2419]

One holy apostolic non-denominational church❤️

[@chrismoellering695]

Hey Joe, idea for a future episode. Are there lessons we can learn from the division of Israel in the OT regarding the split of the Church, either east/west or Protestant? Seems like there are some parallels, but not sure if they are useful or just "things that happen with most break-ups." But that both Israel and Judah had prophets calling them back to God seems an interesting twist, even though only Judah had the Temple and "true worship."

[@annb9029]

I think people are wanting history and so to not lose people in the pews to older traditions they are going down this road

[@Noah_726]

25:00 We better get merch with this on it or something, this is becoming your catch phrase 😂

[@frankovstovski]

If Protestants (Baptist in this case) believe in sola Scriptura, then it doesn’t make sense to recite/believe in a creed formed outside of the Bible. And if they do accept the nicene creed from the Council of Nicaea, then why not accept the teachings of the other ecumenical councils?

[@Maranatha99]

If something is outside the Bible but contains truths thar are in the Bible, it does not contradict Sola Scriptura

[@frankovstovski]

@@Maranatha99 So then there is an authority outside of the Bible as long as that authority contains truths within the Bible…which contradicts the whole foundation of sola Scriptura, which isn’t even found in the Bible.

[@Ryzearn]

​@@frankovstovskiRevelation 22:18-19 New International Version 18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. Deuteronomy 4:2 New International Version 2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

​@@Maranatha99 Can you define Sola Scriptura? I'm curious to see if you will give us the loose definition or tight definition.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

​@@RyzearnRevelation 22, the context is the Scroll of Revelation not the entire Bible. Revelation 22:18-19 NIV - 18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of *THIS SCROLL* : If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in *THIS SCROLL.* 19 And if anyone takes words away from *THIS SCROLL* of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in *THIS SCROLL.* Regarding Deuteronomy 4, why did you leave out verse 1 which shows the context being not to add to or subtract from the specific laws and decrees that God was about to reveal. If your logic is true, then God contradicts himself by permitting the remaining books of the Old Testament and the entire New Testament to be added on after Deut 4. Deuteronomy 4:1-2 NIV - 1 *Now, Israel, hear the DECREES AND LAWS I am about to teach you. Follow THEM* so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land the LORD, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. 2 *DO NOT ADD TO WHAT I COMMAND YOU* and do not subtract from it, but keep the *COMMANDS* of the LORD your God that I give you.

[@KaryneLouise]

I am currently considering converting from Reformed Presbyterian to the Roman Catholic church. An elder at my church wanted me to read “Roman Catholicism” by Loraine Boettner. Would you be able to do a response to the book?

[@nickmoon3196]

The comment about Baptism not being a good work because no one is impressed by your baptism should be a short clip.

[@Anthony-fk2zu]

Joe. Your books. Audio format. Please. PLEASE.

[@tristenwilliams1943]

If any Protestant is saved, it is in spite of his beliefs, not because of them. Protestantism is satanic and draws people away from the true Christ and his church. May God bless his One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

[@mikekayanderson408]

Yes God will bless His One Holy catholic Church - so long as the word Catholic = universal, and Apostolic means built on the solid teaching of Christ and His 12 Apostles!!!!! Scripture. Jesus has one true church which is worldwide which consists of all true believers - those who are born again. Those who are Regenerated by the Holy Spirit and who have been raised to life in Christ. Those who are in union with Christ. Those who have faith in Christ for the forgiveness of their sins. Those who trust Him alone for their salvation and nothing else. Those who trust in His completed work on the cross which is what saves. Those who believe in the resurrection and that He reigns in Heaven and will not come to this earth again till He comes to judge - not being re- offered or dying daily on some pagan alter in a RC church by bogus priests. Those who love and obey Him because He has saved them. Those who have a personal relationship with Him. Those who have been adopted as children of God through faith. Those who are of the elect of God before the creation of the world. Those God has chosen to save. This is the church of Jesus Christ - denomination has nothing to do with it! But He won’t bless the Roman Catholic Church because it is a false Church and teaches lies. It - the RC church - is not the one true church. Those through the ages and now who get saved by God’s intervention and grace in spite of the RC false teaching are usually led out of the RC church and go somewhere they can be nourished by good wholesome teaching. The RC church is a travesty! It is apostate! It is heretical - as other so-called churches or institutions are as well. The Church is not an institution created by man and given some name or title! The Church is made up of living stones = believers … Built by Christ and based on truth of the Gospel- both taught and believed. Today there are many new independent charismatic “churches” as well that are apostate and teach nonsense. Yes we use “church” buildings to meet and worship in - and some denominations and preachers are teaching , praise God, and true believers are in these places of worship - these people make up the real church. God’s elect, God’s Remnant!

[@OneDropIsAllItTakes]

​@@mikekayanderson408🤦

[@mikekayanderson408]

@@OneDropIsAllItTakes ????

[@tafazziReadChannelDescription]

@@mikekayanderson408 if you loved and OBEYed Jesus, you'd be catholic.

[@wonderingpilgrim]

@shamelesspopery One thing that you glossed over and other catholics do as well, is all the other verses that do talk about salvation without baptism. As a Protestant who is open to learning, I really struggle with the concept that it is necessary for salvation, when so many verses say otherwise. I wish Catholics would slow waay down and handle each passage in a thoughtful and thorough manner. I know Catholics will normally just say that baptism is the ordinary way of salvation, but it is possible to be saved without it, (baptism of desire) as if it is the exception. Yet, it appears that the baptism verses are the exception compared to all the ones that declare that it is by faith in Christ that we are saved. It would be great to have you do a video on this if you could!

[@georgepierson4920]

If you think that Baptism is not required, go back in time, find Jesus, and tell him that baptism is not needed because reasons.

[@EmberBright2077]

Happy to talk about the verses in question if you want to name them. Otherwise, it seems to me that “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God" (John 3:5) means what it says. Or 1 Peter 3:21, "corresponding to [the example of Noah's Ark], baptism now saves you".

[@tafazziReadChannelDescription]

Jesus says "be baptized to get saved" Person A believed that what Jesus is saying is true. Person A gets baptized, and therefore is saved. Person B too believes that what Jesus is saying is true. Person B chooses to never get baptized. B is not saved Person C believes that Jesus is truthful, decides to get baptized but dies before he manages too. C IS saved. Agree?

[@APerson-d5s]

HA The Creed Joke!!!

[@Darth_Vader258]

The Intellectual Core at the heart of the Catholic Church is very *DEEP.* Also the Catholic Church both agree with Faith and Reason.

[@tammywilliams-ankcorn9533]

As a former Baptist, I grew up with the creeds in the back of the hymnal, and we said them occasionally. I asked my mom how we could honestly say the phrase “ one baptism for the forgiveness of sins” since we didn’t believe that. She said it must be the baptism of the Holy Spirit in the sense that Jesus said, “John baptized with water, but I will baptize you with The Holy Spirit.” That makes sense since God forgives the sins in baptism. The water doesn’t forgive sins.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

It is worth pointing out the NUMEROUS places where God's grace is delivered to the believer via created objects and not out of thin air even though God can and has done that too (Matthew 8:8): 1) Garments - Matthew 9:20 2) Water - Acts 22:16 3) Hands - Mark 16:18 4) Shadow - Acts 5:15-16 5) Handkerchiefs and aprons - Acts 19:12 6) Oil - James 5:14-15 These are the ones off the top of my head, I wonder how many I've missed from the Old Testament.

[@dave_ecclectic]

How about that *apostolic* bit? I don't think any evangelical believes in that. They seem to think that the Acts of the Apostles is a fictional section of the NT and that the Apostles only existed for a second or so, the amount of time to write the NT.

[@kjcdb8er]

I've long held that LDS can accept more of the statements in the Nicene creed than Protestants.

[@NuLeif]

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[@palermotrapani9067]

Hmmmm No I 100% disagree. I am a Catholic, but no way, historic Protestantism and Mormons are in the same jurisdiction. Again I am Catholic, but I am not going to strawman Protestantism. The Creed affirms creation ex Nihilo, not that what the Mormons call Father God was man and progressed to God and then created this World out of existing matter. There is no Spirit Mother in orthodox Nicene Trinitarian Catholic Doctrine. The Nicene clearly teaches that Christ with respect to His Divine Nature is co-eternal with the Father and is eternally begotten, not made. It affirms that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and Son (Filioque) or though the son (per filium) which is the understanding of the Nicene Creed with respect to procession when the filioque is not used in the Creed. Hence Protestants, who are Trinitarians, are legitimately baptized into the Christian faith and are in some form of communion, albeit imperfect, with the Catholic Church. A Mormon becoming Catholic would be baptized unconditionally.

[@kjcdb8er]

My carefully worded statement is absolutely the case more often than not. It is of course a quantitative claim. Even so, it is not so easy as you claim to distance LDS from the creedal statements themselves. This is a narrow claim, because obviously we do reject the creed, its authority, and many of the philosophical assumptions about Diety that accompany it and are objectively accretions to the gospel of the apostles. LDS believe that Jesus with respect to the divine nature is co-eternal with the Father. We affirm that He is uncreated. We affirm that He has always been God and with God. I'm not saying we believe that in the same sense you do. But we would not have sided with Arius. One of my desires is that more traditional Christians know that LDS are interested in preserving shared core basic truths about Jesus that motivated most of the early church fathers in the Nicene vein: That Jesus was/is fully human, that He was/is fully God, that He pre-existed, that He is was and will be the Great YHWH, that He is eternal, that He is uncreated, that He shares the very divine nature of the Father. We seek to do this without also adopting platonic ideas about God; others have sought to do this while embracing platonic ideas, even when they have no support in the apostolic record.

[@kjcdb8er]

I don't understand the RCCs acceptance of Protestant baptisms. I see that a sign of apostasy and a de-facto indicator that the RCC priesthood is not the same priesthood that the apostles used to baptize. Yes, agreement on the nature of God is more fundamental than the Creeds. But, Unitarians are correct when they assert that most protestants haven't "protested" far back enough. It is schizophrenic to adopt the outcomes of the ecumenical councils without recognizing their authority.

[@palermotrapani9067]

@@kjcdb8er You are free to hold what you hold. You do not believe in creation ex nihilo, lets not try to hide it. You don't. Thus who you call Father God created the world out of existing matter, which means who created the matter that who you call Father God created this world. Jesus was the product of spiritual conjugal relationship between who you call Father God and Spirit Mother, is that not correct? Christ and Lucifer are brothers, is that not correct. This Father God you refer to, was he not once a Man who progressed to God status? If you believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are uncaused by anything, that is God just is and has no cause, and every thing in the Universe, seen and unseen was created out of nothing by God, then why are you Mormon? So no, while Catholics have theological differences about soteriology, sacraments and ecclesiology, etc, historic confessional Protestantism did not throw out the Trinitarian and Christological Dogmas defined at the Councils of Nicea 325 AD, Constantinople 381 AD, Ephesus 431 AD and Chalcedon in 451 AD,. Nobody who is Catholic agrees that Mormons hold more to the Creeds than Protestants. That is a blatant mischaracterization to put it charitably.

[@barrytanner9778]

Maybe it’s Gods way of uniting Christians before his coming. Praise God! As a Catholic, can’t wait to be together again as one big family under the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

[@peterv7258]

I don't know the film reference, and I do not like that band. But the joke was funny.

[@PlantChrist]

I am hoping to have a video explaining this soon from a baptist perspective

[@alisterrebelo9013]

I pray you can avoid twisting words and the beliefs of the Nicene-Constantinople Catholics.

[@RenegadeCatholic]

There's plenty of articles you can google. Most of them straight up reword "catholic" to "universal/christian" in their version of the creed, and then state that "one baptism for the forgiveness of sins" refers to baptism of the Holy Spirit, not water baptism.

[@HillbillyBlack]

Ask this… Are we not fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God? Isn’t the household of God built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone? Are we not smaller stones, like peter, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord??? Are we not being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit???

[@paulsmallwood1484]

Protestant response: BTW the Baptist tradition doesn’t view itself as THE church. It views itself as a particular tradition WITHIN the Church. It doesn’t claim to be the sole embodiment of the ONE TRUE CHURCH as is the case with the Roman Catholic tradition. So the “One, Holy, BAPTIST and Apostolic church bit on display here makes no sense. Besides maybe Roman Catholics need to be asking themselves the same question. Can they in all good conscience recite the Nicene Creed. Do they truly believe what is presented in the creed? I suspect that for some Roman Catholics the answer is sadly no.

[@alhilford2345]

Catholics who don't believe. "...what's presented in the creed..." will have God Himself to answer to, and yet, you appear to have set yourself up as judge!

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@alhilford2345 are you kidding me? You didn’t say that to Joe. He certainly is setting himself up as judge. Oh but you are ok with that. What a double standard!

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@alhilford2345 You missed my point. It was how can Roman Catholics recite the creed when what they believe about the church differs from what the creed teaches. The creed is not a reference to the Church of Rome when it discusses the Catholic Church. The two are not the same yet Roman Catholics incorrectly say the Nicene creed is a reference to their church.

[@calebheckman5811]

Hey Joe, I have a question about the resurrection of the body. Why can we spread first class relics of saints around if we can't spread ashes? I don't have a particular problem with it but it does seem a little contradictory. I'm not sure if it is a "I desire mercy not sacrifice" kind of teaching but it has always confused me. Thank you for all you do?

[@ApostolicStorm]

Joe, thanks for your clarifying content. As an Orthodox practitioner of our Christian faith, I agree on virtually everything with Catholics except for the Papacy. I mean, the “Pontifex Maximus” who is the first without equals rather than the first with equals? The embroidering on the Pontiff’s hat states “Vicarius Filii Dei” which means “Representative of the Son of God”-a man standing in God’s place on earth. Beloved, there is no replacement for Jesus Christ in heaven or on earth. Exalting a Pope is a humanly solution to matters that should be resolved by faith in our heavenly High Priest.

[@alhilford2345]

I have never noticed any words on the Pope's hat. Do you have a photograph?

[@josephology3290]

You should debate Steve Christi on this Creed debate, brother. Like you, he agrees Joseph was a virgin when he married Mary. But then Steve would disagree with you about Joseph’s & Mary’s virginity AFTER Jesus was born. But no worries: the founder of the Baptists - John Smythe - would agree that Mary and Joseph remained virgins, as do Wesley, Zwingli, Calvin, and Luther, the founding fathers of the Protestant Revolt. Btw, if interested, we had a 3-way debate on Joseph’s virginity recently on Standing For Truth, Josephology, and East2WestTheology channels. Enjoy! Thanks! Good stuff! Can’t wait to see you debate Steve Christi on this, or on Joseph & Mary’s virginity, or especially on Peter the first Pope! Or most especially on “Is Contraception Still Evil?”

[@MrsYasha1984]

You know... My catholic theology lecturer is really not a fan of creeds. He wants to be able to question everything. Like baptising babies. Is God really triune. Was Jesus divine. Personally I think he should not call himself catholic. Or even christian at that point... He has much more theological knowledge than I do (I'm just going to school for becoming a catechist, he has a dotorate in theology), but if he just uses the knowledge to tear down doctrine he has obviously not much trust in God and no trust that the Church is guided by Him. Sooo... our dear baptist friends may have a better understanding of the creed than my theology teacher.... I am so glad for your knowledge Joe! I'm learning a lot, and I promise I will do my best to take this foundation and help children to know their faith and love God.

[@bengoolie5197]

Your Catholic theology lecturer may not be Catholic, but it sounds like he certainly is All Vatican II, All the Time!

[@srich7503]

@@bengoolie5197 Are you purporting V2 is non-Trinitarian? Is this an infallible statement coming from the chair of St Peter?

[@alisterrebelo9013]

​@@bengoolie5197 Attempting to be a Council denying edgelord is not going to work out for you, especially if you think you're a Catholic. If you're a Protestant, your comment makes more sense.

[@thisis_chavez]

Interesting title, love it ❤

[@tammywilliams-ankcorn9533]

I think the creed in my former Baptist hymnal said Christian with footnotes that Catholic means universal. I prefer that because they were called Christians in Acts. I follow Christ and I knew Catholics growing up who stated they weren’t Christian but Catholic. So sad. My cousin had an exchange student from Vietnam who argued that Christians were only Protestants. And my Catholic/Christian cousin could not convince her that. Catholics are Christians.

[@byzantinedeacon]

Do you mean to tell me that John the Baptist is not the founder of the Baptist Church!!

[@abrahamphilip6439]

These fellows still do not know that Protestantism is not Christian , taking about Baptist etc ,

[@Catilieth]

The Church does not say that those who have never heard of Christ go to heaven. The Church acknowledges that while it is POSSIBLE, it is not probable. The Church does not even say that unbaptized children will go to heaven. The most that the Church says is that as far as the Church understands, those that are not Baptized do not go to heaven, but it is hoped that God has some merciful way to bring them to heaven other than what He has made known to the Church.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

Excellent, I agree with all points raised, but want to drive home one specific area. It drives me up the wall when Catholics don't mention that salvation outside the Church is a LOW PROBABILITY GAMBLE. It's possible to win the Powerball, but it's NOT PROBABLE.

[@Robert-vv6qp]

I'm Lutheran. We confess the Creed every Sunday. We interpret it the way it was written. Baptist have a big challenge ahead of them.

[@richardbaranzini8805]

There was a confetence a few years ago whose theme was that Baptists needed to be creedal to be confessional, if I remember the word correctly17:12

[@simonewilliams7224]

Reformer isn’t to be confused with the Protestant who exited the OH&A Church. A reformer tried t affect change from within the Church. Protestant’s still have an adversarial view towards Catholics and God, towards the interpretation of God’s word, and practices that God himself instituted with the Apostles. They stay confused about Divinity and it’s ability to act and inspire directly, sacramentally, and the spiritually. I could go on and on. They all should read and come to the Catholic Church and see what Jesus intended. Then think about their relationship to God, rather than just accept what has been repeatedly said in ungracious for a long time.

[@cblampson]

You literally said that it would be up 3yrs before people would be baptized when talking about the martyrs.

[@dynamic9016]

Very insightful.

[@williammcenaney1331]

The one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic Church is the one the Pope rules. So, Catholics are its only members. But various things can attach particular non-Catholics to that Church as non-members of it. But denominations are not parts of the Catholic Church. That's why I don't say "the Christian Church." Protestants use the phrase to describe all Christians.

[@DenverDias]

I think "synecdochical" is a better synonym for Catholic than "universal".

[@PadraigTomas]

Some things are too cruel to wish upon anyone.

[@ozoz2931]

Excellent!

[@williamburych2136]

"A little below the summit of Olivet, whence He later ascended, was a cave in the dry limestone rock, it'd mouth then hidden by bushes, where watchmen guarding flocks and watching gardens reyired in storms snd slept at night. The cave extended 40 feet north and south andvwas about 15 feet wide. In it were four tables, seats, beds etc. There the Lord, with His apostles spent the three nights beforr His Death. There, He taught His apostles the Lord's Prayer. L There, before they separated sfter the Ascension, they composed the 15:06 15:06 Apostles' Creed. "How Christ Said The First Mass" by Father James L. Meagher, D.D. 1906 p.319

[@toddvoss52]

Very well done