One of my favorite new micro FPV quads: Emax Tinyhawk II (Tinyhawk 2)

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic review, dude! Really well done! 😃 This little quad should be a blast to fly! 😃

[@muteFPV]

Thank you mate :) It is indeed!

[@JULIANysuHOHNER]

I have a concern with this whoop when switching from 1s to 2s.do you have to change the profile 1 to profile 2 or this is not really necesary?i was flying on 1s and when i put the 2s lipo smoke came out.i just want to make sure because i order a new one and i dont want to go thru the same issue...

[@muteFPV]

Ouch! That is so sad to hear! The profile is supposed to change automatically when you plug in the battery. But it shouldn't matter if you just plugged in the battery and did not fly. This is very strange, have you seen this happen to anyone else?

[@JULIANysuHOHNER]

@@muteFPV not really im very confused because i have the tiny hawk also and never hadi issues..

[@muteFPV]

Have you managed to locate what failed?

[@mctoun]

@@muteFPV I like my TH2. BTW, bought after seeing this video, thank you. Apart from the PH2 hollow pins, I think it has another flaw. When flying in 2S, the PID profile changes *automatically*, thanks to auto_profile_cell_count. But Emax also recommends to switch to the appropriate *rates* profile. This has to be done *manually* This is surprising because the rates profile is a pilot setting, but it can also handles a throttle limit. This is what Emax did, using a throttle limit of 75% for this rate profile, probably because the ESC FETs are undersized for 2S.

[@muteFPV]

@mctoun I am happy you like it :) I haven't had any problems with its ESCs, without any throttle limit on 2S. I suppose they recommend this so it is easier to control the throttle (it has a pretty good punch on 2S for a beginner).

[@shutterlabs1613]

I fly my TH2 (1s) mostly in acro mode for cruising outdoors and in parks. Could you share your rates which you used for 1s and any suggestions to get a more responsive and locked in feel when flying in acro mode?

[@muteFPV]

I usually start with 1.15 / 0.74 and 0.10 expo for pitch and roll and 1.00 / 0.73 / no expo for yaw. It is a bit sluggish on 1S because of its weight, a 1S-only lightweight whoop feels much better in the air.

[@shutterlabs1613]

muteFPV Thanks. I like to fly mostly in a flowy acro style. Learning right now to be able to fly a bigger quad in a more cinematic style. Here is my first video from the tinyhawk fpv expereriments all in acro mode. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKXQeplmbbyins0

[@simonhimself86]

@@muteFPV Did you change PIDs and other settings at all?

[@Picapiedra4]

Hello, thank you very much for your videos, I just asked for this drone through your XT-XINTE link, I would ask you please answer me if I can change the connectors to XT 30 and not have to wait to have the BT2.0

[@muteFPV]

Thank you for your support! You can use XT30 but it is heavier for not much performance gain. You can also use solid pin PH2.0 which is cheaper and easier to find. I think BT2.0 is a very good match for the Tinyhawk II but you can use whichever connector is more convenient for you.

[@Picapiedra4]

@@muteFPV Thank you very much for your quick reply. In addition to the drone I have ordered the batteries you recommend, I hope they will send it to me soon, I have never bought in this store before. I hope you do not delay in sending it to me, greetings from Spain

[@muteFPV]

I have only tried their cheapest shipping option but I have good luck with no problems so far. I hope you receive it soon!

[@moadmabouth4875]

hi I wanted to ask you a last question. but if I change the camera you also change the settings of the osd ?

[@muteFPV]

If for example from a NTSC camera you change to a PAL camera, you go to the OSD settings in Betaflight, select PAL and move the OSD elements to match the new format.

[@moadmabouth4875]

@@muteFPV Okay, thanks. I’m sorry to bother you, but I’d like to ask you one more time, please, what do I have to do to make the crash flip mode?

[@muteFPV]

You have to enable it in the MODES tab of Betaflight configurator and assign it to one of your switches

[@moadmabouth4875]

@@muteFPV okay thank you very much !!!

[@masterpdj2623]

I love my little TinyHawk and Freestyle for some back yard fun flying

[@muteFPV]

:D me too, haven't tried the Freestyle version yet though

[@rickdeckard7549]

What kind of avg flight times were you getting on 1S and 2S? Most of the reviewed ive seen had horrible battery sag and sub 3 to 3ish minute flight times....some ove yours on here got close to 4?? Result of connector upgrade??

[@muteFPV]

On 1S I was getting 3:30 - 4 minutes, correct, but I flew both 450mAh and 550mAh packs. And around 2:30 on 2S. The connector swap is a must. I will try flashing JESC for 48KHz and longer flight times.

[@boomboomtradingroom9646]

@@muteFPV Since its heavier, curious if you get longer flight times with the 48khz. if so - that might be the selling point for me.

[@muteFPV]

@@boomboomtradingroom9646 most (if not all) compatible micros are supposed to benefit from 48khz, I haven't had the time to deal with it yet

[@muteFPV]

@@f7p1764 I haven't found any vendor that carries replacement frames yet. If you find any please let me know too. Did you break it?

[@AntonioDaCosta239]

@@muteFPV I found this but some people in the FB group say it is not good, because it is rigid while the original is flexible (in case of an accident) microheli - Carbon Fiber w/ 3D Printing Frame www.microheli.com/multicopters-fpv-racing/upgrade-parts/emax/carbon-fiber-w-3d-printing-frame-gr-emax-tinyhawk-ii.html

[@ernest_4104]

It's not a problem that the battery voltage drops when you do a punchout?

[@muteFPV]

It is not a problem, it is normal and happens with any quad. As current draw goes up voltage goes down.

[@ernest_4104]

@@muteFPV but on tinyhawk l and ll i have seen reviews that it drops lower than 2.9 volts.

[@muteFPV]

It depends on the battery and the battery connector. I disagree with the choice Emax has made and highly recommend changing the stock folded-PH2.0 to a solid-PH2.0 (or in my case a BT2.0) connector. If voltage drops to (or below) 3V under load, it is time to land - they recover to around 3.4-3.5V resting voltage (depends on how hard you have flown)

[@ernest_4104]

@@muteFPV thank you. Last question, do you still recommend emax tinyhawk l rtf for complete beginner like me?

[@muteFPV]

Definitely, maybe the V2 is better so you can move to 2S when you become familiar with flying 1S

[@theUAPwhisperer]

found it!! I have a question; So I don't lose another one lol... do you know if the ImmersionRC iTelemetry dongle would be compatible with the TinyHawk2? considering the TH2 is newer, and the tech for the telemetry dongle is presumably outdated//

[@muteFPV]

Get something like the Hellgate buzzer instead. It is lightweight and gets the job done even if your quad battery ejects/unplugs.

[@theUAPwhisperer]

@@muteFPV did you do a review on that too! 😏😜💥🔋 Have you used that dongle I'm talking about though? Its on sale at my shop... I have JumperT16 Pro, as you probably already know; Had nightmare last night that I couldn't figure out how telemetry worked 😆 I wonder if the jumperT16 can effectively do the same as the dongle for iTelemetry... Just seemed useful to have GPS breadcrumb plotted on a mobile app.. I fear losing any future drone I have.. Freestyle doesn't feel for me... I really enjoy high-flying(birds-eye) viewing..

[@theUAPwhisperer]

@@muteFPV ooooo hellgate buzzer isn't a drone 😆 oopsies... But it might be too heavy on a micro.. Maybe on an Emax freestyle frame, it's doable.. GPS; I'd feel most secure knowing I have a security

[@muteFPV]

If you are talking about bigger quads then yes, ok, you can add a GPS. But it is significant additional weight for micros. I have not used the iTelemetry product and have no idea about it. The hellgate buzzer is tiny and very light. And especially helpful if you are trying to find your quad because the gps will give you its last known position but if it is tall vegetation / bushes etc you can spend hours looking for it...

[@theUAPwhisperer]

@@muteFPV good point! Thank you for the introspection of a likely scenario.. I hadn't thought of that lol... My ocd comes out a bit when I see no resolution on the horizon... P.s: I didn't want that track to end! 🎶 I was bobbing my head the entire time 😎

[@robertparis5680]

just got my tinyhawk 2 today, after screwing with the rates, and adjusting the joystick inputs., it's an amazing quad. i kinda wish i got this from the start instead of my betafpv starter kit 2. so much more power. ( but i'd have probably crashed a lot more. so i guess it's a great noob kit if you don't want to screw with beta flight at all) also, the tiny hawk 2 is quite a bit louder, and mine which is v2 had plug in motors vs soldered. i won't notice it at my level, but just be aware for anyone buying them thinking it'll be soldered.

[@muteFPV]

Thank you for the input! It makes sense to have plug-in motors in this type of quad, it will make repairs a ton more easy. I am very happy to hear you enjoy it, I love Tinyhawks too. They are a solid platform for any skill level.

[@schums123]

great review! love your content. Between TH2 and the Mobula 6HD (both at the same price now), which one should I pick? First drone!

[@muteFPV]

Thank you very much! I have not tried the HD version of the Mobula6, only the "basic" one. Happymodel has not always been reliable, EMAX products get a solid recommendation by me.

[@fuzefpv5766]

Is it easy to bind it betafpv lite 2

[@muteFPV]

I have no idea, I don't have the lite 2 radio :)

[@miso1391]

2:04 Good transition

[@muteFPV]

Thanks :)

[@BlackFlashDrive]

Changing the batteries to ph2 will increase the fly time by how much?

[@muteFPV]

If you mean the stock battery leads from folded PH2.0 to solid pin PH2.0, I don't know. I changed it right away, as I do with most micros. The benefits are much greater after a few plugs/unplugs, the folded pins can deform and provide reduced contact area.

[@moadmabouth4875]

very good !! I think I’ll take a tinyhawk 2 and make the same changes that you did

[@muteFPV]

I am sure you will enjoy it :) It is an awesome little micro!

[@slosho83]

Just purchased the rtf kit and had my TH2 for about 2 weeks and all of the reviews iv seen the motors are soldered to the fc but on mine it is using the plugs on the board not soldered to the board anyone else come across this?

[@muteFPV]

Maybe they changed it for easier repairs. Soldered motor wires will perform better but the Tinyhawks are heavily marketed for beginners so it makes sense to make them easy to repair. The solder joints of the motor wires are pretty small for someone new to the hobby. I am just guessing, I don't know if this is the actual reason. Maybe it is faster for them to assemble the Tinyhawks this way, who knows :P

[@slosho83]

@@muteFPV yea maybe. thanks for the reply and great info and footage ;)

[@muteFPV]

I am happy you liked it!

[@fassoli95]

Hi! good morning/evening. I did a Reset to my Emax on betaflight by mistake I don't know what to do to get it back, Can you send me back up file? Thank you

[@muteFPV]

Hello! No worries, you can find the stock CLI dumps and VTx table linked in the video description.

[@fassoli95]

@@muteFPV can you send me the link cus i dont know wich one

[@muteFPV]

Stock BF CLI dump: mutefpv.com/ucwmg Stock BF VTx table: mutefpv.com/jokt8

[@milesw7]

Thank you for another brilliant review!

[@muteFPV]

You're welcome! :)

[@sonarfleet2375]

I have one that, but the cam is terrible. I love your videos. Thanks

[@muteFPV]

Really? It didn't bother me at all! It is much better than the camera in the V1, we can agree on that :)

[@sonarfleet2375]

I will check brightness configuration on fatshark. Thanks

[@Max_0578]

Nice review! Can you switch to 200mw with the rtf kit?

[@muteFPV]

You should be able to change via betaflight osd, using the sticks of the RTF controller. If not, there is a button on the VTx that you can use for band / channel / power adjustments.

[@Max_0578]

@@muteFPV thank you so much!!!

[@muteFPV]

You're welcome!

[@tranceonline]

No thrust test with 2S?

[@muteFPV]

You probably missed the note under the graphs. I will run 2S tests when I get my hands on spare motors. I don't have any data from the Tinyhawk S to compare to anyway.

[@jackjones7058]

Μπορεις να μου προτεινεις ενα μοντελο για αρχαριους?να ειναι ικανο σε ελιγμους. Εξωτερικου χωρου φυσικα και να αντεχει λιγο,να μη μεινω με την χαρα μονο! Ευχαριστω

[@muteFPV]

Tinyhawk με κλειστά μάτια. Αν δεν φυσάει πετάει μια χαρά και έξω. Τρώει ξύλο, έχει φτηνές μπαταρίες και είναι ωραία στημένο. Tinyhawk με μια 10αρια μπαταρίες (παραπάνω αν θα το πετάς 2S) και είσαι έτοιμος για εξάσκηση!

[@jackjones7058]

να προτιμησω το 2 ή το S?

[@muteFPV]

Δεν έχω πετάξει το S αλλά το II είναι το "τελευταίο μοντέλο"

[@jackjones7058]

ευχαριστω πολυ για την βοηθεια!

[@muteFPV]

Καλή αρχή! Εδώ είμαστε για ο,τι χρειαστείς :)

[@logan4706]

Anyone have an idea if the aio board would drop into the freestyle frame?

[@muteFPV]

I think it does but I don't have the freestyle version to check.

[@logan4706]

@@muteFPV one of the the best 2s toothpicks, was just wondering because it has the 200 mw vtx

[@beaudupre3248]

I haven't seen one of your vids for quite awhile, it's like you fell out of my KZbin algorithm or something. They've always been really good, but you've em dialed in now. Super solid review 🤘🤪👍

[@beaudupre3248]

got em, proofread

[@muteFPV]

Thank you very much. No idea why I don't show up on your youtube feed :(

[@albarper]

wow very very good

[@muteFPV]

Thanks!

[@karolvikt]

very good🛩👍🥇

[@muteFPV]

Thanks!

[@tonyfpv3456]

μ αρέσει που με ακούς...!!! πολύ καλό... θέλω εντυπώσεις για indoor και μετά συγκριτικό beta,mobula κ emax

[@muteFPV]

Θέλε!

[@onclefly8450]

Hi, good rewiev Bro, not a quad I like v1, V2 and S 👎 😏

[@muteFPV]

Really? Why?

[@onclefly8450]

@@muteFPV No speed quad ! 😥 No freestyle quad ! 😣

[@VincentFischer]

Not bad performer for 1S and outsides but kind of average in 2S

[@muteFPV]

Why average mate? It has plenty of power on 2S!

[@VincentFischer]

@@muteFPV It all depends what you are looking for of course but the year old mobula7 or trashcan had kind of more oompf with their high kV motors even when the lipos were toast when you landed :). But so far emax (I'm a huge fan since the tinyhawk freestyle btw) never disappointed quality wise , so I'm sure it's a solid reliable option.

[@VincentFischer]

@muteFPV But wasn't it quite a bit lighter? The frame plus components on its own and 2x300mAh vs 2x520mAh is an enormous difference. Also I always cut motor connectors on my micros and solder directly to the board for the last bit performance gain (sometimes up to 25%). Maybe my perception is skewed because I can't remember how it was stock.

[@muteFPV]

I haven't flown the Mobula7 for a long time so I can't recall. The motor KV was more or less the same if I remember correctly. I don't have any 2S thrust data yet so my only metric is the enjoyment I felt when flying :P I just checked my M7 video, weight is more or less the same too (31g dry - 44,7g with 2x 1S 250mAh batteries).

[@VincentFischer]

@@muteFPV Lets do a vertical drag race :P my trashcan vs the tinyhawk2. First one on the moon gets the price

[@itstrysten]

See how the period is used to indicate decimals in literally everything? You're a terrible person! Commas aren't decimal marks!

[@muteFPV]

You are the terrible person, for not knowing what you are talking about and misjudging others because of your ignorance. I am from Europe and in most European countries comma is the decimal marker.