One of the most unique Imperial ships? | Praetor Mark II-class battlecruiser

[@MetaNerdzLore]

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[@chrissonofpear1384]

An excellent vid, once again! BTW - I'm pretty sure the comic was like, 1981 or something? Not 1977.

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

Fractional sponge is the GOAT

[@mrkick1663]

ah yes i love perfect divisions of sponges

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

THE GOAT!

[@teamdoghouse82880]

Rectal Sponge?! Oh FRACTAL. My bad, yo.

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

​@@teamdoghouse82880😂

[@DeathBYDesign666]

The guy has made models that became actual canon so not too shabby if you ask me. EC Henry is pretty good too though.

[@GlamorousTitanic21]

FractalSponge is a beast of a 3d artist. His work is legendary in the community.

[@DeathBYDesign666]

Here's a tough one for you... Fractalsponge or EC Henry?

[@imperialbricks1977]

Every time I see the superstructure of the Bellator I think of the toggle lock mechanism on a Luger pistol.

[@Melody_Raventress]

Oooo, Glad I'm not the only one!

[@imperialbricks1977]

@@Melody_Raventress I’m such a gun nerd it sticks out like a sore thumb

[@Orion7204-m5b]

Me too XD

[@davidponseigo8811]

I said that months ago !

[@AiydenLaird]

I was thinking of that too.

[@spencersholden]

3:18 that is an amazing redesign of my favorite egg shaped ship. Original Torpedo Sphere is funny.

[@thunderK5]

The Praetor Mark II can be thought of as "2nd Rate" in the ship-of-the-line sense: Not the workhorse like the Imperial-class, but not big enough to be the prestige flagship like the Executor-class. So it ended up as flagship for the task forces defending important worlds.

[@roryrdmb6667]

The cargo container is cylindrical probably for similar reasons for why a soda can is cylindrical - the circular shape makes it better at retaining the pressurised atmosphere inside (spheres are the best shape for withstanding pressure) whist maximizing storage space.

[@tamlandipper29]

Maybe better locking in place during complex manoeuvre than a cube?

[@akumaking1]

Praise to FractalSponge!

[@frankieM_]

1:23 lmao the Super Stardestroyer being 19,000 kilometers is amusing

[@pyronuke4768]

Here's another fun fact about the Praetor: Darth Vader's SSD was almost one! I have a copy of The Empire Strikes Back screenplay; the one that I got is an early version the final cut, so the dialouge is mostly the same but some of the descriptions of sets and models differ from what was on screen, which is really interesting to see what almost was, like Yoda being more blue and toad-like. Anyway, the breif descriptions of the Executor does sound like someone in the writing room had read (or at least looked at) the 1977 comic. Unfortunately, sometime between writing this version of the script and building the filming models Lucas decided he wanted Vader's SSD to be even bigger and more menacing, and so we got the Executor we all know and love, but it is cool to consider the Praetor almost became canon in 1980.

[@WhoisPersona]

My base criticism towards the Imperial Fleet and the Praetor especially was that it felt like they were never given an enemy worthy of their power. I do hope in future projects that we get to see the Empire use their book of tricks to their full potential, especially with Thrawn leading them.

[@muhammadhabibieamiro3639]

A surprise to be sure but a welcome one

[@Edmodo_]

4:40 “But when they target the bridge or the cylinder, it’s a bit dark that the crew chamber would be hit” If you wanna slack off and not shoot down the rebel fighters then have fun not having a bed anymore. - Best Regards, HR

[@cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775]

I always loved the Praetor design. i looked at it as the Old Republic grand warship much as the Malevolence was for the CIS. Once the Empire took over, the remaining warships were either kept on rear guard duty or scrapped.

[@vampirecount3880]

A ship for a conflict that naver came, probably a great asset for the upcoming Yuuzhan Vong wars that Palpatine predicted. Shame we never had that.

[@kettelbe]

Future movies are coming

[@90skidcultist]

@@kettelbeI hope not.

[@CptPatt]

My favorite Star Destroyer design by far.

[@jeffreycarman2185]

Great ship! Really fits the Star Wars Aesthetic.

[@Futuretense101]

The only Imperial Battlecruiser I do my best to NEVER face.

[@youcefsiouda]

In eaw??

[@triviszla1536]

this thing looks insanely cool

[@StevenHouse1980]

I always thought that the section behind the bridge, could be a parasite ship as a Mass Landing craft. Like the Ghost has the Phantom.

[@AdamTehranchiYT]

While I doubt that it can fly on its own. Something has to move if that giant cylinder is modular storage.

[@sinisterisrandom8537]

Awhile back I stumbled upon the Proclamator Class Star Frigate pretty cool design. Which is a predecessor to the Acclamator though its appearance would fit into Imperial Designs. Fractal makes some fun stuff.

[@otminealnamer1385]

Praetor 2 really has that "forgotten middle child" syndrome between dreadnoughts and ISD's. Eriadu is probably my favorite faction to play in Thrawn's Revenge because of their quality over quantity approach to units. When you have a lot of little ships working together, it's great until one link in the chain becomes targeted and broken, then your whole battle plan falls apart. With a single ship that can handle multiple things, you don't have that issue. I think that's also why the tarkin/empire doctrine in their ship design isn't really as bad as it's made out to be; it makes good sense from a logistical scale, especially when it comes to supplying enough ships to patrol everywhere, and having fewer command crews to worry about.

[@CHRF-55457]

Makes sense ngl. Imagine how screwed you'll be if you had only one fully dedicated carrier in the fleet and it gets lost in combat. Bye bye starfighters, unless they come equipped with a hyperdrive.

[@otminealnamer1385]

@@CHRF-55457 Or worse; the supply line to the factories that produce such a specific ship were slowed, impacting the upkeep of fleets everywhere. In having many areas that are all tooled to make the same things, you don't have this vulnerability. With wider diversity of machines, it means you need specific areas dedicated to production of said machines, making them more vulnerable, demanding more active protection, being more expensive in the long term. This is one reason why, in the real world, multi-role warplanes and ships are generally much more practical than planes that might be better in specific metrics. Faster, easier, and sometimes cheaper to produce, easier to mass-train and coordinate crews to operate on wider scales, and ensures maximum cross-compatibility with current and future hardware of other forces. You do often lose out on specific strengths, but the volume and versatility more than makes up for it.

[@jamesblinzler7421]

Nice to see you at the end. May the force be with you metanerd

[@john091077]

Thruster cluster!

[@andrewwallace5237]

I adore using this beast of a ship in EAW Thrawns Revenge. It’s so cool

[@ironwolfsaber2739]

... Im glad they finally reached out and made amends.

[@aveargeinfiniteflightplayer]

THE GOAT UNLOADED!

[@Arashmickey]

As we've seen in recent history: in an emergency stock up on TP... and the Praetor Mark-II will never run out.

[@GruntM8]

One of my favourite looking ships. If I was an imperial commodore with some pull in the Kuati drive yards political scene. This is what I would go for

[@agbottan]

I like those speakers on top of the ship.

[@Chisszaru]

Thrawn really would faint. Even i would faint with prices like that. 700 million is a lot of money, and Fractal Sponge is a damn good artist

[@pyeitme508]

Please make vid about firearms in Star Wars & how effective IRL ones from Earth be used in Star Wars universe?

[@davidponseigo8811]

I just commented on one of your videos not long ago that the Bellator looks like the Toggle Charging mechanism on.the German Luger !

[@maxo.9928]

Pretty sure the gameplay footage is of the Empire at War Remake mod for anyone wondering.

[@Max-se8hi]

1:13 i think u miss calculated haha

[@jakobvonbugmann]

We love Praetors

[@marcelxd1633]

1:08 (You used the price from the venator for the isd)

[@ralfhtg1056]

I would really like to know what these long cylindrical structures pointing forward are. You didn't explain that.

[@SkepticalChris]

I remember when this was called, on old fanpages, the Giels-Class Super Star Destroyer, named after an obscure Imperial Admiral from the Marvel Comics era, long LONG before even the prequels. ya I'm that old....

[@CHRF-55457]

Dang!

[@Arcadia_warlic]

I appreciate looking beyond the lore with the original "concept" art.

[@myty9304]

Living quaters around bridge are kinda good, bridge got more protected and during combat noone should be here as they are at battle stations

[@vonneely1977]

Even if your fuel bunker is small, the amount of cooling those reactors would require would be enormous. Heat dissipation in space is an issue even without nuclear energy coming into the picture, after all. So expect to have some pretty large tanks of the stuff buried inside any large capital ship.

[@theunknowndude1159]

👍

[@vitorreige8708]

You should make a video about the Trident Assault Ship, especially the Imperial Version we see in Jedi Survivor.

[@apathtrampledbydeer8446]

Battles are won with soldiers, wars are won with logistics. So this ship makes sense with the massive cargo cylinder.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

Can you do a video on Lumiya

[@thegreatchimp]

I giggled a bit at the mention of the cargo cylinder rolling away and causing havoc

[@baronjutter]

I can't imagine the crew just being in one place. Could take people a damn half hour just to get to their posts on a ship that huge.

[@reidveryan9414]

Crews are generally split into shifts, so that many if not every station is always manned at least in part. That and i would imagine the ship has some form of a turbolift system to rapidly transport crewers to various sections throughout the ship.

[@DIEGhostfish]

8:03 I'm pretty sure that's an entirely separate ship, many use it as a Praetor Carrier in game mods.

[@Paludion]

Well, what you said at the very end of the video isn't wrong... Soon to be Extinct species : "The Force will always be with me if I'm one with the Force." *dies*

[@captainseabass874]

I can definitely see this ship being part of Palpatine’s plans for the Vong. Shame we’ll never get to see more of that storyline.

[@justicar5]

Having crew quarters be damage sponges is a real world navy thing as well, they will be empty when you are at battle stations, so they are placed so that they block fire from where systems/crew that react badly to being blown up are housed.

[@NeoCrusader327]

0:34 Can you make a video about the Arc Hammer and how Thrawn would use it?

[@AstroTheCarrot]

cool story bro

[@feralprocessor9853]

Right off the bat, 3 ISDs going down by one exploding station.

[@90skidcultist]

It’s so damn stupid! It makes the Empire look comical incompetent!

[@TheThingInMySink]

The crew area placement certainly tracks with real life ship designs. I'm sure a lot of people would be complaining about their vapourized personal belongings, were this not the Empire we're talking about. Pretty sure complaining in the Imperial Navy gets you an express ticket straight out of the airlock, or worse yet, they might reassign you to the army and send you to fight on Mimban, and that would probably be true for anyone who spends the entire battle in their bunk watching holo vids as well. So yeah, honestly you might as well get hit with a turbolaser at that point, at least then your passing will be quite painless.

[@kevingluys3063]

I wouldn't be surprised if the barracks being exposed and surrounding the bridge had some sort of Tarkin-Sidious intention of "if you aren't manning your station during a battle, we wont be wasting power on your life-support"

[@DIEGhostfish]

Empty crew quarters make for excellent target padding. Even in real life they were always outside the citadels on warships.

[@feralprocessor9853]

SPACE!!!

[@supercuttlefish1]

I think the cylinder is supposed to evoke the toggle-lock on a luger pistol

[@DIEGhostfish]

Most of the issue with the NuCanon fuel issue is that it inverted how fuel issues worked in the old canon. In Legends/Classic EU the Hypderdrive sipped fuel while Realspace guzzled it. Disney seemed to have reversed that.

[@trotfox1138]

2:39 what is the ship that is in the top left corner?

[@ducagemester9836]

It's a ssd aka super star destroyer

[@Ja_ck00]

It's either an executor or an assertor. It's hard to tell.

[@WolfeSaber]

6:18 The Autobots have placed all their hope on a glorified cargo hauler.

[@patrickpirzer4080]

When i saw this Star Destroyer in the Star Wars Comics in the 1980s i was building a replique out of paper and cardboard.

[@JohnAnous]

i wish there was a version that changes that transport ring with a double BFG gunpod in that case the ship could also still be 4.8km like in the book

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

The "silly outrage" being handwaved off near the start was over the totally Disney-created Coaxium as a plot device in Solo. Which is still ridiculous because suddenly they treated fuel in SW in a manner akin to gas or diesel instead of something to power up weapons or maintain long-term fusion / annihilation reactions. Disney tossed that in almost as a dig against people who criticized the ships running out of fuel in The Last Jedi. It was their smug, backhanded way of retconning something in so the ships running out of gas would "make sense" despite the fact they had just left their base and so should have been fully fueled anyway. TLJ took place over a very short time frame. Ships running out of fuel that fast was another example of No-Johnson setting up fake/weak tension because he didn't know or care about the rules of the continuity. The fuel retcon in Solo was likely done to justify his goof, because it came off as a late tack-on to the plot. Such as it was.

[@DIEGhostfish]

Oh yeah I forgot how weird they made their fuel work in Solo.

[@darwinxavier3516]

The other reason fuel was such a contentious issue in TLJ is because it was very obvious that the talentless hacks wanted a very specific situation resembling world war naval aesthetics. Problem is that such a situation is completely implausible in the SW universe without extreme amounts on convoluted contrivance that makes The Dark Knight Rises look logical. It became even more obvious that those hacks and their drooling simps have no clue how anything worked when energy blasts would suddenly "fall" in space like naval cannon shells, and detection of escape shuttles was literally just a matter of turning on another scanner as if to crib the aesthetic of knowing exactly where to shine a searchlight in the dark. Things like "planes in space" is easy to forgive when its not made into an important plot factor.

[@torbk]

Others might have mentioned this, but 700.000.000 is more than 4,7 times 59.000.000. 10 times 59.000.000 is 590.000.000. 700.000.000 / 59.000.000 is 11,86 times the cost.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

1:10 is Thrawn just a broke boy

[@nightwolfnordberg9476]

Could a starfighter have tractor beams?

[@Morgunth86]

Yes. Tie Defender has one for example.

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@Morgunth86 can also be mounted on the Cygnus Spaceworks Xg-1 Star-Wing Assault Gunboat, Missile Boat and I think maybe even the avenger. there's also Gun Tugs in a comic. Though that comic is itself not entirely canon to legends, merely being a story Wedge tells new recruits as a prank.

[@babamuhammedalijames9201]

One question. Unlike Generation Tech, you don't hate dolphins and aliens, do you?

[@mcgoo721]

Has he done anything on the raider class? It's my favorite ship so far.

[@mattcarter4681]

It first appeared in the june 1982 issue , '77 was the year the comic run started issue 60 is 5 years in and post Empire Strikes Back

[@coldfire-blitz3122]

Given the size difference the price of the Praetor 2 vs the ISD isn't just a steal, its robbery

[@troiscinq7650]

There is a surprising amount of early Star Wars content that is far more dark and aggressive. Star Wars could’ve looked a lot different based on stuff like this and the Vong stuff from the 90s

[@BierBart12]

Energy-based creatures that aren't sentient feel like a rare sight in fiction. I love the idea so much. Especially when the weirdness of their biology causes problems for highly advanced tech, or gives advantages like this one. Just some glowy intangible space whales minding their own business, munching on radiation

[@AC20sAkimbo]

The Beer Can Destroyer

[@daanvos194]

I always thought the cilinder was a malevolence esque weapon

[@gargoyles9999]

It’s for the ships stereo system so they can flex on the rebels

[@feralprocessor9853]

SCIENCE!!!

[@AndrewMaksym]

Please, please do videos on Stargate ships. There are mods for Stargate in Star wars empire at war.

[@deforesttappan6478]

Other than Star Wars, Mass Effect, some Halo and the one Gumdam video. What other franchise are you planning to do video for??? I have an idea Star Craft and maybe more Gundam!!! What???

[@nickvinsable3798]

🤔 . . . Much like an Allegiance-class Star Destroyer, in size, the Titan-class Star Destroyer, which is simply just a larger Imperial-class Star Destroyer with six pairs of turbo laser turrets, instead of the Imperial-class Star Destroyers’ four pairs of turbo laser turrets, & such…

[@Clone-ro2xq]

wouldnt it be 11 isd cost wise

[@beemy.6923]

Fanatical Sponge

[@Ray565.]

1:08 that math ain’t mathing

[@darkreflection9087]

Could you look at Fallout Securitron’s

[@stephengayton5246]

Is the math wrong on the price differential or am I missing something?

[@marcelxd1633]

He accidentally wrote the price of the Venator by the isd

[@goontheracoon]

the reason they used to think that electric power would be cheap in the future was because we WHERE a logic based society, we at the very least strived to be.. now they try to put up windmills everywhere and they aren't green, neither are they recyclable.. at the dawn of atomic power, the future shined bright in a blue hue of awe and wonder.

[@finnberglander7816]

If ion cannon can burn through shields and then disable a ship, then why are they not used first? It makes no sense.

[@TheNapoleonicPotato]

[@Argoship12]

Ay man try playing Roblox project star dust there more star wars ship there that you can play like the predator mark 2

[@definitlyEgirl-safetf2]

I think overall tarkin and palpatine cultivated a weird highly competitive/toxic work culture and doctrin for ship design, i mean venator still> imperial destroyer

[@JediSentinal]

Ngl I'd love to see a venator paired with an ISD as a standard deployment tactic. They complement each other well, the ISD for anti Capitol ship fighting and the venator for its fighters. Together they carry enough army troopers and 3x prefab bases for infantry maneuvers, and the venator can drop AT-TEs to backup ATATs. (Another good pairing imo, ATATs for heavy guns and long range visibility/spotting and AT-TE for anti infantry with its turrets, and the specialized fire from its main gun. And both carry lots of internal troops, and ATAT can carry speeders.)

[@definitlyEgirl-safetf2]

@@JediSentinal honestly that sound fucking amazing

[@otminealnamer1385]

ISD easily out-classes a venator. It's a direct upgrade in most ways except auxiliary craft carrying capacity, which the empire had little need for since ISD's also had a decent point defense array in spite of what people repeat a lot(Read Thrawn Treason and Shadow Fall, as well as the later RPG source books). Better armed, better protected, more ground troop support. It's misunderstanding the point of SW to say republic stuff was better, because the whole point of the Empire as an antagonist is them being portrayed as having all the advantages, and it's by skill, determination, and luck that the heroes win over them - not because imperial tech is just worse. To claim so is to undermine the weight of the Empire as an antagonist when, in truth, the army and tech they held were second to none at the time, and stomped all over almost everything the republic had. The only thing they didn't have was hope and faith in the force, and that's what caused them to lose. The Empire was driven and fueled by fear, and even the best hardware can't save you when the fear is undone.

[@definitlyEgirl-safetf2]

@@otminealnamer1385 i think it just wasnt the right ship for the job, great for orbital bombardement yes, but to pacify a galaxy not really, it's very similar to todays doctrin which favors aircraft carriers. Another problem the empire faced is the use of guerilla tactics which it isnt really able to counter, since it covers only a small area. Money was a big problem for the empire, banks were nationalised but only after they faced multiple crisis so they settled for the rather incomplex tie fighter program and cheaper (both in logistical terms) ion cannons.

[@otminealnamer1385]

@@definitlyEgirl-safetf2 If you want to pacify a galaxy, you don't use a ship that demonstrably was shown to be destroyed in propaganda reels in the prior war. You use something bigger, badder, and meaner. Venators wouldn't be able to fight guerilla tactics either; nothing symmetrical can really fight soldiers who disguise themselves as common people. Deploying one's own snubfighters capable of hyperdrive also poses higher risks of them being stolen; there's comparatively little risk in rebellion stealing high crew capitals and fighters that lack hyperdrives. There's really no advantage the venator has in fighting the rebellion, because it's not a war that can be won by tech of any type. Besides, while 72 ties is significantly fewer than the venator could hold, the ISD makes up for it in many other ways, and 72 Ties is still a huge amount of fighters that'd take an impressive assault to deal with. The only way Rebellion succeeded against ISD's was to jump in, do at least some damage, and jump out BEFORE the ties were launched because fighting them off wasn't realistic in the rebellion's numbers until the tide turned with the battle of yavin and more joined on. Ties were more agile, more numerous, often faster, and the tie fighter corps was the one place the Empire did not let nepotism decide rank. By that point, the Empire already lost the war, but it again had little to do with tech as much as the fact that one can't rule through fear for very long. Doesn't matter how good or appropriate the tech is. Likewise, you can't hope to hold control over a massive galaxy-wide force whilst still prioritizing merit, because very talented individuals will become ambitious or potentially defect. This is why ISD's were held back more by their crews than their design; loyalty mattered more than competence at the high ranks. In tightening his grip, palps let sand go through his fingers. In short, the empire's issue never was a matter of tech, rather something much more fundamental: the very regime itself being reliant on oppression.

[@ezequielmorales4221]

1:20 19.000 KM

[@cassnate8401]

what game is beeing played ?

[@Wastelandman7000]

Its the Luger star destroyer LOL

[@demi-femme4821]

The Praetor II isn't that much better armed than an ISD II, and its carrying capacity is terrible for its size. The Empire REALLY didn't need anything bigger than the ISD

[@phoenixx913]

It's main advantage is that it's incredibly hard to destroy since it's basically a flying slab of thick armor with guns on it. And on that note you gotta remember that a battery is a group of several guns so for every one battery there's at least 2-3 guns so the actual weapons amount would be at least double what was shown.

[@Omniseed]

​@@phoenixx913right but that one vessel could have been what, five or six ISD worth of critical equipment and probably twenty in other materials. I think the Star Wars universe could use more large vessels that aren't just fleet combat specialists. Something like a Civil Support Cruiser or an ISD-sized salvage ship with specialized demolition, space rescue, and equipment recovery gear. A lightly armed fleet tender style craft which is basically a militarized utility freighter like the (forgot the name of the classic conical egg cargo ship GR-75) but with a focus on allowing it to do picket duty for its fleet when not on a supply run

[@theevildrummingsithlord1492]

Do you think the Bellator is as large as ships should go?

[@DIEGhostfish]

Praetor II has much more longterm sustainability making it somewhat useful for pushing frontiers. Also yeah, FFG tends to undergun everything.

[@pokebreeder2517]

why is that round part even there?!

[@Providence315]

13 ish times the cost of an isd if the price you showed is accurate

[@DoremiFasolatido1979]

What's super funny is... That's not a battle cruiser. A battlecruiser is like a weird in-between of battleship and destroyer. Then again, Star Destroyers aren't destroyers, either.

[@bluntcabbage6042]

Battlecruisers are defined by having similar main armament to a battleship while possessing far greater speed to hunt and destroy smaller ships, sacrificing armor as a result. A battlecruiser could absolutely occupy the same size/footprint of a battleship, such as the Praetor, but still be a battlecruiser. Getting any deeper into it is pointless though because the entire idea of a battlecruiser is hotly debated and it's likely the Praetor was just named as such because it sounds badass

[@helldiver0]

wat game?

[@zero-arc3810]

Never was a big fan of this ship, don't care for the soda can bridge thing. It's still neat tho.