One Sentence that Ruined Star Wars

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[@dylanlyles9453]

I can't believe it's been a year since your brilliant video about rewriting the Sequel Trilogy came out! You did great, Ryan! I wanna give out some stuff that would work: I think instead of being a clone of Palpatine, Snoke should be a trained Sith lord who became a warlord, just like how Maul became one in Clone Wars. I think Poe should be the leader of the rangers bounty hunter crew, and the crew should also include Poe's trusty designated droid, BB-8, and the chipper young navigator Rose Tico, who is like a sister to Poe. I think Rey should go by her original last name, Solana. It's more unique. I think the lightsaber Rey has should be Anakin's old one Luke lost in Cloud City to make 8:24 Ben wanting to train Rey more sense. Kard is a better name than DJ. I think the new rebels who oppose against the empire and the New Republic should be called the Resistance. I think some of the Imperial Remnant officers should be some of the ones from the sequel trilogy, such as Alegent General Pryde, who is Gideon's trusted colleague, along with Commandant Armitage Hux, the son of Brendol Hux and is Pryde's blathering assistant. I think Phasma should be one of Moff Gideon's bodyguards. Finn being Gideon's son sounds WAY better then Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter! I feel like Daro and the Knights of Ren finding Ben and convincing him to join them should happen in the second movie of the trilogy. I'm a Ben X Rey shipper. When Ben does join the Knights of Ren, I don't want him to change his name to Kylo, because I think that name should go to one of the other Knights of Ren, mostly like a brother for Saline and a son for Timur Daro. Kutos to you, Ryan! Same with you, Doug! May the force be with you.

[@viviorko]

Careful of who you use and read the fine print who they sell your information too.

[@ТимурТыква-г9е]

You know, I kind of like the sequel trilogies because they have better visuals, better action, better dynamics. Plus I was able to find out the facts that SW fans actually got wrong, you can even answer questions that they want to know.

[@ТимурТыква-г9е]

Can't wait for you to make a video on "Why Rey and Captain Marvel are NOT actually Mary Sues?", or "Are Rey and Captain Marvel Mary Sues?"

[@viviorko]

@@ТимурТыква-г9е , lol 🤡

[@JohnWilliams-nj3vl]

pretty dark ending that the Palpatines kill off all of the Skywalkers and then take their surname.

[@mckaylastorms1767]

Idk why that never dawned on me until now 😅

[@mitchrope]

😂😂😂

[@car7000]

they won

[@irrevenant3]

The Palpatines won, but the Sith lost.

[@nicolasmaldonado1428]

It's like when a lion kills all the offspring in a pride, and then he sires his own cubs

[@Talen1976]

It still astounds me that the writers didn't have the entire Sequel Trilogy mapped out in stone before they started filming.

[@BTTFMovie]

Probably because you're not a writer and therefore don't know how it works. Most TV shows and film franchises are made up along the way because several factors have to be taken into account (actors' availability, audiences' response to a character, etc.) Say Leia's arc throughout the Sequel Trilogy had been mapped out in stone from the beginning. And then Carrie Fisher dies. What happens to the mapped out plan now? The problem wasn't that there wasn't an out-and-out plan. It was that The Rise of Skywalker had a bad script. If it had managed to stick the landing, nobody would be saying the trilogy felt disjointed. It only does because "You are a Palpatine."

[@arnaud.lancelot]

Neither did Lucas....

[@lazyeclipse00]

@@arnaud.lancelotLucas at least had a rough idea

[@BTTFMovie]

@@arnaud.lancelot And he contradicted his own continuity arguably more than anyone else did.

[@Tstumpman]

@@BTTFMovie The real difference between Lucas's writing incompetence and Disney's incompetence is that George actually liked what he was doing and wasn't...really all that concerned with what other people thought about it. He did the trilogy -his own way- and made impromptu decisions based on his own preferences. It gives the originals/prequels a feeling of authorship. Disney's versions felt to reactionary.

[@Jiu-JitsuJourney257]

Finn being a former storm trooper to lightsaber wielding hero would have been perfect. But he got relegated to screaming “REYYYY” for 3 movies.

[@catsithx]

Reeyyyy!!!!!

[@seanj3667]

He was such a wasted character with so much potential.

[@holla_at_tchalla2548]

I will die on this hill!

[@robertw31968]

I agree. I believe it would've been a lot better 3 movie if had focused on Finn. In my opinion he was a better actor.

[@DylanMadd]

If I never hear that dude yelling, “REEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyYYY!!” again, it’ll be too soon.

[@musicalaviator]

The First order being a tiny hidden in the background faction that wasn't even interacting with the new Republic in The Force Awakens, to a gurilla war that the larger galaxy was ignoring in the Last Jedi to "The empire that runs the whole galaxy" in The Rise of Skywalker with no explanation is... whatever the opposite of world-building is.

[@mmongiello722]

It still hurts to this day.

[@StickySyrupEverywhere]

'Shit' is the word you're looking for I'm pretty sure.

[@GonzoTehGreat]

ALSO: A small remanent of the undefeated Imperial Forces, lacking even a fraction of the vast resources of the Galactic Empire, was still somehow able to build a Deathstar 10x the size of the original! 🤦 The problems were already there in TFA. TLJ and TROS just made them worse.

[@mmongiello722]

@GonzoTehGreat if we had any knowledge of the new republic, their destruction may have mattered.

[@GonzoTehGreat]

@@mmongiello722 The problem with the New Republic is that once the filmmakers made the (bad) decision to "reset" the conflict, this peaceful government became a hinderance to this scenario, so they quickly (but lazily) disposed of it. If they wanted a return to a wartime setting, then better to skip the New Republic completely, by having the original conflict continue for another 30 years, with the Empire refusing to concede defeat even after the death of the Emperor.

[@HoustonSoto]

Even stepping back from how utterly terrible the decision was to connect Palpatine and Rey in the first place - the line itself is ridiculous. There has only ever been ONE Palpatine in the saga. When I heard JJ say Star Wars has always been a story about “Skywalkers and Palpatines”, my stomach turned. Why pluralize Palpatine’s name? His family has NEVER been a focal point. Even in the initial expanded books, his parents were just rich people that he couldn’t stand. They make it seem like he’s had this vast family tree that intersects with the Skywalkers like they were royal houses in Dune or Game of Thrones. The Emperor was ALWAYS singular.

[@sandal_thong8631]

Too much _Dune_ on the brain.

[@mathewsydney8929]

JJ Abrams just doesn't get it... he has Star Wars confused with GoT

[@Longwing70]

"Always two there are, no more, no less. A master and an apprentice."

[@gloriouslumi]

@@Longwing70 Irrelevant. The Sith are not a family dynasty, they are a religious sect.

[@IndyDefense]

Abrams is a moron. He doesn't understand any of these franchises he works on, yet somehow he keeps getting work.

[@christasimon9716]

23:35 I have always compared the last movie "The Rise of Skywalker" to a 9-year-old trying to be the dungeonmaster for a tabletop D&D game: "Oh, wait, wait! Then _this_ happens!" Trying to enthrall the players with poorly contrived storytelling instead of inviting them to play the game. "Oh, no! Wait, then THIS happens!" Trying for bigger reveals, all the while being ridiculous incoherent events that don't even make sense for the storyline.

[@UTU49]

Force Awakens: good fan fiction Last Jedi: bad fan fiction Rise of Skywalker: incoherent fan fiction

[@peterc2672]

The "even a nobody can become a hero" was right there with a force sensitive Finn. They could have gave us both but no clear oversight on all 3 films fucked it all up

[@MrBazBake]

More like Disney didn't want the trilogy to hang half on a black guy so they made Kylo the co-protagonist in Rise despite him having half of Finn's screentime in the first two, then they shoved Finn into the background.

[@KilllaTofu]

⁠@@MrBazBakethis unfortunately is probably true. They don’t want to lose any of that money from the chinese market who seem to be anti-black.

[@LachandKi]

Almost like anybody can become a superhero if they and inherit force powers without having to train for years like every other character in the franchise. And be able to best someone whose been training most of their life in that discipline. They had the option of steering the franchise away from eugenics, but good old Disney just couldn't seem to shake it 😢

[@Fayloynn]

The "even nobody can become a hero" has been there since day one of Star Wars.

[@peterc2672]

@Aldrea333 except it hasn't. It was all centered around being part of a bloodline.

[@classic.cameras]

Worst element of Disney Star Wars was not having Luke, Leia and Han in the same scene together. THAT IS WHAT WE WANTED!

[@ericfaz1427]

Amen. For that alone may LucasFilm be an albatross around the neck of Disney.

[@tigerlancer]

For me, after han solo got offed by kylo, the crew return to the rebel base and chewy just walks by leia, like it was Tuesday and leaves rei to inform, hug leia and commiserate over han's offing. W.t.f?

[@BTTFMovie]

Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford sharing a frame together in their 60s-70s would not have automatically made it a good story. In fact, that thought alone was one of the reasons I didn't want them to even make another trilogy at first. I actually appreciate that that was one of the few things JJ didn't force into the narrative just to make us clap.

[@nisselarson3227]

Disney doesn't give a crap what die hard fans want. They just want to bring in new kids to sell things to. Then disappoint THEM a few decades later. They're remaking every movie ever made, so I fully expect a Start Wars Part IV at some point where Han solo is a woman and Chewbacca is gay and so on...

[@vaderbaby]

Putting those characters together would take away attention from their intentional destruction of that "heinous male dominated" story of the Skywalkers. Bare in mind that I am a female. I also cannot stand that BS Disney trilogy.

[@mx9226]

“Somehow Palpatine returned.”

[@radiohostalastor]

That’s not a bad line

[@user-uv7hi4zu7c]

​@@radiohostalastor yeah it's a TERRIBLE line 😂

[@lookingforwookiecopilot]

"I know,...somehow I've always known"

[@christopherpike8269]

I have been using this line when I talk about Trump.

[@SeoulMan]

Not Oscar's fault.

[@timsbird1971]

The sentence that messed up the sequels was "Let's ignore the outlines George wrote and leave him out of the process - we know what people want".

[@IndyDefense]

"This will begin to make things right."

[@williamjohnston5490]

Kylo Ren: 'Rey...you're a Chewbacca.' (Just as ridiculous as being a Palpatine)

[@xsanguine8]

Oh no! The wraps on her arms had been hiding the fur all along!

[@williamjohnston5490]

@xsanguine8 Rey Nobody was f-ing badass. Anyone could identify with that! But Disney was like 'Nah...you're not as good as our IP. We gotta shut down those dreams right now.'

[@scooter1737]

I also believe it was the wrong choice. Rey, being related to Obi-Wan, at least brings the triangle of Palatine, Skywalker, and Kenobi back. My head canon has always been that Korkie Kryze was Ben's kid with Satine. Imagine if he was Rey's father? Mandalorian and jedi are coming together to defeat the Sith. Heck, they could have also had Reys Mother or related to Palatine. Then at least Luke could have said, "You may be a Palatine, but you're also a Kenobi and Mandalorian too." Overall, Rey being nobody is still the best choice. Palatine still could have been looking for her as he needed a Force Dyad to bring him back fully. Would have required no back story and simple explanation like sith followers brought him back. Even better would have been if Palatine was a lie and it was Darth Plagueis who needed the Dyad

[@MrBazBake]

The problem is that George Lucas said he was inspired by Dune and Viet Nam/American Empire, two things Americans still struggle to grasp. Force Awakens understands the politics. Kylo is the corrupted and fallen Paul Atreides, the New Order is the Alt-Right angry at failing empire eager to rebuild one. The Last Jedi follows through. Rey is alienated and seeks a purpose so she turns to Boomer Luke -- who failed to stop the rise of the Kylo Ren alt-right -- and then to Kylo Ren himself recognizing that Luke failed him. But Rey's empathy toward Kylo backfires and he tries to turn her into a N_____ and then tries to murder her and her friends after taking out his boss Donald J. Snoke in his all gold everything. Rey instead seeks out Finn and her true allies and Luke is inspired to keep fighting once he recognizes that Kylo is responsible for his own evil. Rise of Skywalker just shrugs and says, "Actually you do need magic blood to be special and your genetic superiors are needed to save the day and you can't stop N____s without centering them jn your struggle so they disarm themselves. TRoS was just an aggressively mediocre piece of enlightened centrist propaganda that threw out everything from the entire series thematically to replace it with in-jokes and references to objects without context.

[@rondiggity1677]

😂💀 love it

[@ericfaz1427]

How KK still has a job after not storyboarding this trilogy with any sort of continuity astounds me.

[@mmongiello722]

Really weird

[@charliebrownie4158]

She's got plot armor and lawyers ready to sue anybody who says she's talentless hack. Don't forget She's got KZbin and Fake-Book to delete any messages making fun of her or saying anything disparaging against her. Imagine having that kind of power and assuming anybody other than a nutcase would believe She's a victim. Only an entitled liar pushing their lies and importance that is only in her head would believe such lies. Whatever happened to women who were pushing the Trans women are women then forfeiting games against fake women.

[@davehandelman2832]

Shocking. How's to show that Hollywood had NO IDEA what it's doing.

[@gibberishname]

The biggest flaw in this argument is 24:42 JJ Abrams does _not_ make good movies. He’s actually quite bad at it.

[@beaustange]

Episode 7, the force awakens, to me, feels like a complete rip off of A New Hope

[@mattp1337]

JJ is an absolute hack. A trust fund brat who rose to his level of incompetence because he comes from a rich, well-connected family in the industry. I assume anything good in his career happened despite his involvement.

[@peterthx]

Ah, the toxic menace rears its ugly head.

[@jackee-is-silent2938]

At least in the past, J.J. Abrams given a good script written by someone else can direct it well. That's not what he did during the trainwreck sequence of films going back to "Star Trek" (2009). He's contributed to destroying both Star Trek and Star Wars.

[@30.06onaGrassyKnoll]

i dont like a single movei he has made...they are full of holes, dumb plots, poorly thought out scripts, and ridiculous characters doing things that dont make sense.

[@g00dfr1end102]

fellow Star Wars cynic here. Asking Rey to be “a character, not a product”, “a person, not intellectual property” goes against everything Disney stands for (namely profit). Disney’s 3 buggest blunders so far, in my opinion: Rey Palpatine, bringing back Grogu less than a year after the BEAUTIFUL Mando S2 finale, Acolytes.

[@sandal_thong8631]

Yeah, I guess they had so little faith in The Mandalorian without Grogu they had to do a reset. Maybe pause a year and have him rejoin Mando as a fully-trained Jedi?

[@mattrismatt]

Correct, 'Rey being “a character, not a product”, “a person, not intellectual property” goes against everything Disney stands for (namely profit)'. That's why the character's purpose in the story was far more important than short-term profit. The masses still don't get it. This short-sighted audience may have to be spoon-fed. At that time, though, it will be too late. (So far, they've had almost 50 years!)

[@DanakarEndeel]

Yeah, the S2 finale of The Mandalorian was perfect and would have been a perfect ending for the show. But ofcourse this is Disney so they gotta keep milking until the cow turns to dust. And then everything went to sh[t with that 'Acolytes' nonsense and whatever other BS their -writers- activists came up with. But Disney just can't seem to see past "product" and just cannot create or retain a likeable person. The only character I truly enjoyed as a person was Cara Dune who was everything they were pushing (a genuine strong independent woman); but they kicked that actress out over some fabricated 'outrage' of some Twitter post (when Pascal's posts were way worse). This pathetic political pandering was just sad and now I'm desperately hoping that Gina Carano will not settle her lawsuit but go into full discovery to air all of Disney's dirty laundry to the world.

[@nicolasmaldonado1428]

How is it profitable if we start hating their creative decisions? They are near sighted capitalists. We need better capitalists who understand their product. And their product is good storytelling. Good story tellers who let gone characters be gone, and who write consistent characters, not whatever they were trying to do with the acolyte. Good storytelling is good capitalism because it builds the brand, it builds a universe for fans to spend their money. Which is a win win for everyone.

[@mattrismatt]

​@@nicolasmaldonado1428 Perhaps Star Wars _is_ a 'good story', one about characters who are never really gone. (Think about it: Which important characters have 'died', only to return in one way or another. Such reappearances and continued involvement of these characters has been a hallmark of the story from the very beginning.) Perhaps it's the majority of the Star Wars audience who have been near-sighted... who don't understand this 'product' and have chosen to hate and dismiss the storytellers' creative decisions rather than approach the story on its own terms as a mythological fairytale. Contrary to popular opinion, Star Wars is not sci-fi/fantasy, nor was it meant to be escapist in nature. Quite the opposite, actually. George Lucas has been quite clear about this story representing some serious and important matters of human existence. The story is a teaching tool for the young and those who perhaps have much to learn. Underestimate his statements - and those he hired to finish his work - at your own risk. The brand and its universe has been building from the beginning and has been consistent. You just don't know what you've been watching. Mark my words, the 'win win for everyone' has been planned and is on the horizon.

[@ketdog1860]

The bully who said you're a nobody now says you're one of Palpatine's tadpoles, and he wants you to join the darkside... mmm yeah, seems trustworthy

[@samuelzuleger5134]

But he's an in-shape Adam Driver!

[@EdertheJust]

They did Finn the dirtiest. He was a stormtrooper who had the force. Great character we haven't seen before. Then we find out there are tons of stormtroopers with the force.

[@Scott__C]

In the 3rd movie they should've credited him as Finn/"REY!" shouter.

[@histguy101]

Pretty sure he was the comedy sidekick from day 1. Didn't know he was force sensitive or that any other stormtroopers were

[@moxplastic]

nah..that asian girl was done dirtiest... cant even remember her name.

[@Scott__C]

@@histguy101 Remember he said he could feel it that one time. HAHAHAHA.

[@mmongiello722]

But they gave him a nice lady who looked like him.

[@ZimCrusher]

The line that killed Star Wars for me, was in the very beginning of TFA: "How does this work? Do you talk, or do I talk? It's hard to read with the whole mask thing..." Marvel does not belong in Star Wars.

[@joninterglad]

I kind of liked it when I first heard it but then Kylo let him get away with the smartass line. Finn should have been Force flung 20 feet as punishment for his insolence. JJA was so busy making the movie "Like to original trilogy but BIGGER!" that producing a coherent line through a well worn (and beloved, of course) universe was far down the list.

[@papayacatproductions]

I mean, Leia did shout "Get this walking carpet outta my way" in the first one, so it's not unprecedented

[@were-owlinwisconsin4441]

That, to me, is one of the biggest flaws in the Sequel Trilogy. The original movies were essentially a fairy tale set in outer space. The sequels just turned everything into a superhero franchise.

[@were-owlinwisconsin4441]

@@papayacatproductions yeah, but that wasn't one of the opening lines of dialogue at the beginning of the trilogy, was it?

[@ZimCrusher]

@@papayacatproductions " I mean, Leia did shout "Get this walking carpet outta my way" in the first one, so it's not unprecedented " Walking carpet was not a marvel-line. It's a standard put-down, like 'jerk', and was used as such. Marvel lines are sarcastic, witty, breaks in tension. When things should be their most tense, a character will break it, with a line that no one would say. For instance: Starlord calling Thanos 'Grimus' (a mac Donnalds character). Unlike when a rescue worker tries to break the tension with "Hello, I will be your rescue worker today, how are you?" Or Soldier banter before running into a certain death attack: "You ready for something stupid?" Marvel lines kick you out of the tension, and make the threat seem smaller. Everyone in Marvel has a Tony Stark comeback line. It's not restricted to Marvel, it's just that they made that style popular. Putting these witty marvel lines take you out of the film, kills the tension. Yes... Anikin's "whoopeee", and the female pilots did that for the Prequals, but it was not a Marvel line, just didn't fit in that universe.

[@Ptaaruonn]

Also the fact that they didn't put the whole old gang inside the falcon at least once was a super stupid missed opportunity.

[@Grimtheorist]

I feel like we woulda just cried "fan service"...

[@Ptaaruonn]

@@Grimtheorist Maybe, but it would have been cool AF.

[@peves-]

Not having Rey turn to the dark side was a hugely missed opportunity.

[@cujoedaman]

You have to remember, Kathleen Kennedy's job was to ruin the franchise and she did a wonderful job of it.

[@Ptaaruonn]

That's for sure.

[@seanj3667]

18:45 they should have pivoted RIGHT THEN. Once we lost Carrie, they should have let Leia die in the vacuum of space, as they already shot, and allowed her a proper, heroic on-screen death, and they should have allowed Luke to live into the last movie to have a "good" death then.

[@Oz1976]

They would have had to rewrite and reshoot over 1/2 of the movie had they decided for her to die in the vacuum of space. Everything was done by the time she died and they were in post production with very minor involving Maz (Lupita) scenes. Principal photography was completed by the end of July 2016 and Carrie died in December of that year. All they had to do was change the ending and not have Luke become one with the Force. They could have cut the Leia and Rey ending scene, and reshot Luke sitting on the stone to be once again visited by Yoda. Have him say, "Teaching...you still have yet to do. Pass on what you have learned." and they both stare at the suns and the wipe to the credits and score. Could have fixed it in a weeks time to compensate for Carrie dying and then the scroll for Episode 9 could have told us how she passed off screen with the opening scene being a funeral with Luke arriving to continue Rey's training. Make Kylo the big bad that Rian wanted him to be.

[@SAMTHINKS2]

I'm on your side. They had a year to edit and reshoot. And it was so obvious what to do.

[@seanj3667]

@@SAMTHINKS2 We ALL would have understood even if it delayed the movie.

[@mmongiello722]

Instead, Princess Leia jumped the space shark.

[@luminusprime]

What you're suggesting just isn't possible. When Carrie Fisher died, the movie had been out in theaters for almost a month. It also presupposes that Rian Johnson gave two shits about giving the legacy characters a proper send-off, all the copium I've read about Luke going out like a "true Jedi pacifist" notwithstanding.

[@Yorickunderscore]

The sentence that ruined Star Wars was "I'm proud to announce JJ Abrams as director of the first sequel."

[@panspray7298]

Jar Jar Abrams and Ruin Johnson. But which is the Sith and which is the apprentice?

[@jackthomas2051]

“The Force is female.”

[@PinkCammy]

this

[@mastpg]

Hey, taking a roundly critically acclaimed director with several near to full masterpieces under his belt worked for Dune, barely a few years later. How could they have known that taking a clown a director who's play acting at artistic endeavor and has zero movies under his belt that are even halfway memorable wouldn't work?

[@sandal_thong8631]

@@jackthomas2051 I read recently that women were burned at the stake for saying the Holy Spirit is female.

[@KyloRenRadio]

For me, as a woman in Star Wars fandom (and fandom in general) "you don't just have power, you have HIS power" is the most insulting line in TROS: a giant FU to everyone who loved Rey Nobody.

[@nickohhh]

great point! and with what happened to rose and everything… that third movie felt verrrry bro-ish

[@gregg1067]

That is the one thing that Rian Johnson did well: Opening the idea that anyone might have the force, even if you weren’t part if some kind of force lineage. But JJ couldn’t work with that for some reason. Wouldn’t it have been cool if Finn and some ‘Broom Boy’ contributed to the story? Even a little?

[@nickohhh]

@@gregg1067 yes!

[@CreationBrosZone-km5be]

"Who loved Rey? Nobody." Just fixed that for you.

[@davrosthecreator1660]

That sentence was “We should make three more movies.”

[@louistully3831]

this video reminds me just how awful and unwatchable the sequels are

[@commanderkeen2078]

Rise sours the entire trilogy. The first two are alright. Flawed, but alright.

[@louistully3831]

@ it’s just a bunch of bad ideas incoherence and emptiness. They should’ve kept Lucas’s sequel ideas.

[@commanderkeen2078]

@ you could say a lot about Last Jedi, but it’s ideas are not incoherent. The sequels would be better as a whole if they ran with what Johnson set up

[@sjhwbs]

​@@louistully3831 i agree every film contradicted the one before it in every way. What a giant mess without any outline the sequels are irredeamable the people who defend it to this day are delusional.

[@davehandelman2832]

The second biggest heartbreak in cinematic history. First: the Phantom menace.

[@zenenzarcon]

I loved the idea of Rey Nobody tbh, it felt like the message was the Force had started to choose people to balance things again. And in a meta way it said to all viewers, everyone has the potential to be someone special, you don't HAVE to be from some lineage of sand haters or what not, you can be some kid from the slum and just develop your own Force Powers, go ham with your own stories from there! It really could have reinvigorated a love for Star Wars in a way that I don't think they'll ever have the chance to again

[@sandal_thong8631]

They could have made Rey, Finn and Po all open to the Force, and perhaps worthy to be trained if they were committed to the idea of the Jedi. Yeah, and the idea that the Force could choose YOU, was what made it fun as a kid. Even in Harry Potter, there were Muggle-Borns (witches and wizards who came from non-magical parents). They were looked down upon. But lately, J.K.R. said they had magic genes passed down through forgotten squibs who were kicked out of the magical world. But in my opinion it was more likely that wizards used their powers to take advantage of non-magical women and these are their progeny.

[@thecunninlynguist]

The dead speak! that single sentence ruined even more an already doomed trilogy.

[@jaybunzy0]

It never should’ve been episode 7. It should’ve been its own story. Then you don’t rely on the Skywalker Saga and you can build from it

[@jsnsk101]

i agree, as a random star wars universe story i dont mind it

[@tgs7515]

The issue is that Lucas hinted at espisodes 7, 8, and 9 back in the 80s. It’s what everyone expected and what everyone wanted to give us closure on our heroes from the original trilogy. And what Disney started to give us wasn’t that far removed from Lucas’s story treatments, so it’s not like the sequels were a complete stray. The issue comes from Disney wanting a return on their investment as fast as possible and then turning Star Wars into even more of a commodity than Lucas had. That, and letting JJ Abram’s write and direct the first film of the trilogy.

[@RobbyMaddox]

@@tgs7515 You seriously think that any piece of TFA was actually from what George wrote? Get real. George Lucas wouldn't have stuck Luke on some forgotten planet and kept him from saying or doing anything the whole movie. He wouldn't have Han abandon Leia to become a lone loser who can't keep his life together. He wouldn't have destroyed the New Republic in a blip so that no one cares about it or even realizes that it's actually there. He wouldn't have copied every single beat from ANH. That was all just crap from JJ Abrams demented mind. If they had used any of what George wrote, he would have gotten credit for being a co-writer on the movie. (Though even if they had used a little piece here or there, he might have just hated the movie so much that he told them not to put his name on it.) But to say that it 'wasn't that far removed from Lucas's story treatments' is just complete nonsense.

[@luisbermudez4756]

Agreed. A lot of the issues with the sequel trilogy come from the baggage of being part of the Skywalker saga. Had they been simply more anthology films, so much unpleasantry could have been avoided.

[@TheLanach]

"Somehow...you are a Palpatine"

[@DaniQuinonezL]

Love this comment. It summarises everything: "Somehow Palpatine return......therefore, Somehow you're a Papatine." It all make sense. ( col 😢 Crying out loud)

[@shawn092182]

So, technically, Palpatine was always there in the sequel trilogy.

[@willem1642]

Many things broke me: 1. Why do you need a map and convoluted path to find a planet instead of coordinates and plot your own course from your own location. 2. Why do you have "bombers" in the zero gravity of space? 3. Why do superpowerful spaceships that can destroy planets not know which direction is up without a special signal. 4. If you are in a deadly space chase, how can you take time out to visit a casino planet? 5. Why would the powerful First Order not consider that an enemy fortress has a backdoor? 6. If you are thrown out into the vacuum of space, you die no matter how powerful you are in the force. Fifteen seconds are you are unconscious, so how can you use the force? Your blood and eyeballs are boiling, and after 30 seconds, you are dead.

[@Dhakadice]

Regarding #6... It's already been established that force-users can basically walk around inside a volcano without their clothes catching fire (let alone their organs). The fact that Anakin eventually does catch fire once wounded enough suggests the force is able to protect its' users from REALLY harsh environments.

[@brandondelgado7731]

@@Dhakadice not when you’re out cold and have not really trained in the force for years.

[@bobfg3130]

​@@brandondelgado7731 The training in the force doesn't go away.

[@joshuastephens2133]

@@bobfg3130 Yeah, umm, it really does. It's like playing any sport. If you don't practice all of the time then you are going to be shit at it when you try to use it again. Also, in the sequels Leia even says that Luke tried to train her but she didn't care to mess with it. She didn't think it was necessary. This proves that Disney is stupid as shit when they let this stuff go through.

[@bobfg3130]

#1 Fair enough. I do suspect some paths might have fewer obstacles than others or maybe there might be some gravitational anomalies you could use. Worth reminding that in the age of sail the sailors or captains that knew the currents, used them to shorten their travel by days at least if not weeks. Probably the path wasn't straight but it was faster. Still, those paths might not be always useful. #2 If you're close enough to a planet, there's gravity so you could have some bombers or if a spacecraft is big enough although those would be combat spacecraft designed only for particular spaces and situations, basically in space combat they would not be able to bomb anything over 99.9% of the time so I will agree with that. #3 There's no "up" in space. I agree with you.

[@ibnjones6605]

In the comics, Han and Lea had twins. I really wanted Rey and Ren to be twins. Even their names sound like twins. In the comics, they had to hide the twins so the Empire don't find them.

[@shawn092182]

So, basically, what you're saying is that they should've copied the OT even more.

[@Shinmsl]

I don't think it would've salvaged the story but it would made more sense than that wierd , wierd romance sub-plot.

[@Braneloc]

that might have fixed a lot.

[@sandal_thong8631]

Twins again was derivative. I thought I'd heard they did that and shook my head.

[@joshuastephens2133]

@@shawn092182 Wouldn't have been a copy. Leia and Luke were twins from a very influential and well loved senator that was previously a queen and very distinguished Jedi Knight before he fell to the dark side. Jacen and Jaina were the twins of a smuggler (Han) and a rebel alliance leader (Leia). The two sets of twins would have also grown up completely differently than Luke and Leia due to how Return of the Jedi ended.

[@kevinolesen2429]

Rey being the granddaughter of OB1 would’ve so much better.

[@mmongiello722]

I agree. Her Mando Princes mom could have played a part.

[@godlessveteran2431]

No...she should have been nobody. Or a student from Luke's school that was spared when Kylo Ren wiped them out cause he still had good in him. That's about it. She should not have been related to anyone.

[@johnterpack3940]

@@godlessveteran2431 Yup, and that's exactly what was EXPLICITLY said in the first two films- she was nobody. They made her "somebody" because the "superfans" kept screaming, "who's her daddy?!"

[@cameronfarrell9076]

​@@johnterpack3940it wasn't the super fans that were "screaming". The films themselves were the ones who made us care about who she was. We never cared who obiwans parents were, or qui-gons parents, or ahsokas parents, or any other star wars characters parents other than the skywalkers. It was a key plot point that she was marooned on that planet by mysterious people, the writers set up that mystery. It was the only flaw of Rey's character that she had to go back to the desert planet to wait for her parents, the writers wrote that. The film makers made us care about who Rey was, and it was in really poor taste that they chose to do a bait and switch about her being nobody in the conclusion to "the Skywalker saga"

[@johnterpack3940]

@cameronfarrell9076 The first two films explicitly said her parents didn't matter. Maz told her what she was looking for lie ahead of her, not in the past. Kylo told her her parents were nobody. People kept screaming for her to be someone. Her parents weren't a plot point. Her obsession with them was. Nobody ever said she needed to find them or that they were key to the story.

[@EvanTomiko]

Kylo: You are a Palpatine Rei: No, I'm a Skywalker

[@jehanr]

It's incredible that Disney just started making these movies with no plan whatsoever.

[@Madillusionist]

Can we just agree that the last trilogy didn't exist. It's so infuriating that the screenwriters ignored the vast throve of star wars books and lore to come out with this. Grand admiral thrawn should have been the big bad and not palpatine.

[@mikeg5397]

That's fine, I choose to believe that the prequels don't exist

[@christopherpike8269]

@@Madillusionist Luke wakes up in a forgotten Jedi temple on some forgotten planet. He just had the most vivid force dream. Then he gets up and decides to change that future. They can still use the same characters that they have established in the new trilogy, but redo the entire story with one cohesive unique thought instead of redoing the first trilogy.

[@davedelarosa319]

I was just going over this at work earlier this week. There's only one Matrix movie, 2 Terminator movies, 3 Indiana Jones movies, and 4 SW movies (OT and Rogue One). Everything else is fanfic.

[@jasonsylvander3089]

It's all a bad force dream of a possible future

[@shawn092182]

​@@christopherpike8269 But, like Anakin, Sidious, and all other Force visions, Luke misinterpreted the future events, everything ends up resulting in the same way.

[@Kardashev1]

The first and biggest mistake was not fully planning the trilogy from the beginning. The second was hiring Rian Johnson & letting him do whatever he wanted.

[@dublinpub5363]

100%

[@crippletron6879]

I agree with the 1st part. The 2nd is a consequence of the 1st. That being said, I preferred TLJ over the other two.

[@kurono77]

EXACTLY. They gambled on a huge game of telephone not expecting RJ to throw a wrench w/ ep 8 by retconning everything set up on ep 7. At which point it wouldn't matter which direction the end of the 3rd trilogy followed since it already left the fans and audience divided and confused.

[@aarons.8161]

While I agree with the first part. There is a bit of irony to it. The Original Trilogy wasn't fully planed from the beginning either. Heck, wasn't even labeled Ep. 4, 5 and 6 till Lucas started working on Ep. 1, 2 and 3. Things that reveal this. 1. Like and Leia were not originally planed to be brother and sister. 2. Darth Vader wasn't originally planned to be Luke's father. 3. Given the budget and dev team being roughly equivalent to a indie B movie production, Lucas didn't really have any plans for a sequel to A New Hope, cause he didn't think it would have been as greatly received as it was. Lastly, George's original script for the Original Trilogy, ended up being changed quite a bit with the help of Harrison Ford (Han Solo). Though, I can only think of one instance of it, mainly getting Luke's name changed from Starkiller to Skywalker, but have heard he had quit the influence on how the story was written. If only JJ let Harrison help with the writing of the sequel trilogy. Would have likely turned out a lot better. Also, side note about Star Wars and Starkiller. There used to be an old meme/joke, a long time ago, think around the time of the original trilogy, that Star Wars was going to be about a bunch of Hollywood Stars going to War with each other, and that Luke was going to be this great Starkiller.

[@rerun40807]

I promised myself to never watch any rain Johnson films after the last Jedi. That's not my Luke Skywalker

[@markvasko]

I love how you talked about how Disney flinched because they got worried at the response to Rian Johnson's shift in direction and they brought in JJ for episode 9 to bring things "back in line", which explains how we got "somehow Palpatine returned.." and "You're a Palpatine" . I don't know how they decided that Palpatine/Skywalker family feud was that strong. I never thought of it as a family feud, and I doubt that many people made this connection or thought deeply about it in this way. It was jolting and frankly it felt disconnected. I would have love to have seen the story keep going in the direction that Johnson was laying out, and the "Rey Nobody" that you noted. That opens up SO MANY MORE options for storytelling that are so much more INTERESTING than where they took it, but instead we got what we got. I would have been WAY more interested in see Rey struggle with the balance and potentially finding that balance that others hadn't been able to, in the stories we've seen on screen anyway. Would have been way cooler to connect back to the concept of balance and understanding of both aspects, and think about how that could have opened up this storytelling options.. but no... *sigh*

[@koopa-troopa]

Yes! I was really expecting (hoping) that 9 would make Rey into a grey "jedi" that shows the positives/negatives of both sides.

[@joaquinrebolledo1494]

the Palpatine twist is a perfect metaphor about Disney abandoning the no one's of the world we are, and embracing dinastyes and generational wealth

[@joshualastine7666]

I think the state of all Fandoms are at an all-time low. No Star Wars, MCU, DCU, only things we really got are Dune and the LoTR TV show...

[@gr8tbigtreehugger]

Dunno...MCU dropped X-Men 97, Deadpool and Agatha this year. RoP and Dune also awesome!

[@danejohannescaldwell7999]

And Wheel of Time. Oh wait, they've completely mangled that one beyond recognizability. Nevermind.

[@LastBastian]

There are people who actually like that abomination LoTR TV show?? ... gross.

[@joshualastine7666]

@LastBastian the bar is very very low

[@cujoedaman]

To this day, I was hoping Finn would have been at least a good Jedi type character. His background in the book says that he was top of his class in hand to hand combat and weapons, which explains why he was able to at least give Kylo Ren a bit of a challenge. Even if he wasn't a Jedi, knowing how to use the Force doesn't always mean "you're a Jedi, Harry". There are different levels and it could have been explored in more depth. It's why I love Chirrut Imwe in 'Rogue One', a blind, Force sensitive warrior that didn't "use" the Force, he merely let it guide him.

[@antimatterhorn]

Rey being a Palpatine and having to defeat a very alive Emperor Palpatine also effectively cuts the Skywalker family out of the story as having any relevance whatsoever. Instead of Anakin Skywalker being a fallen jedi who is redeemed by the love of his conflicted son and sacrificing himself to kill Palpatine, now we learn that didn't even kill him, and also it wouldn't have mattered anyway, because the only person who can kill Palpatine is Palpatine. Vader, Luke, Leia, and Kylo are all side characters to the Palpatine story, and that story would have unfolded almost identically with or without the Skywalker family. The final insult then is Rey calling herself a Skywalker at the end, taking the name of the family so thoroughly used and destroyed by her OWN actual family such that their bloodline is over and their entire narrative arc is a closed loop that doesn't accomplish anything. That choice, to make her a Palpatine, wrecks the entire 9 movie arc, because none of it mattered. The only thing that mattered was what Palpatine was doing off-screen, in making a clone of himself in secret, along with an army and a fleet in secret, that would eventually lead to his own destruction on a secret planet by a secret granddaughter. Insane.

[@NicD]

Oof, that puts clearly what was rubbing me off the wrong way.

[@laraschauble]

Your explanation reminds me of the Big Bang Theory episode where the argument that Amy presented to Sheldon was that Indiana Jones was not relevant to finding the arc of the covenant... because the Nazis would have eventually found the arc without him involved...

[@antimatterhorn]

@@laraschauble well i think the point there was that Jones is attempting to stop the nazis from getting the arc, but doesn't actually do that at any point (or worse, he sort of led them to it since they were digging in the wrong place), and then the nazis all die at the end anyway by no measure of Jones' actions, so he might as well have not been there.

[@peterbergvall7752]

The one sentence that ruined SW.... "let Abrams make the sequels", surprised they didn't ask Michael "Explosions" Bay...

[@hatchiedaveps5418]

25:43 oof! Right! Imagine if Star Wars paused the movie every few minutes to plug merchandise like T-shirts and such… 😅 Yeah I said it! With much love for the channel but dear lord! We know you sell T-shirts!

[@MatsubaAgeha]

25:19~ "I want Rey to be a CHARACTER, not a PRODUCT, I want her to be a PERSON, not an INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY." EXACTLY.

[@davidwindell]

“Let’s look at Rey’s arc”… she had an arc? Wow, must’ve flown right over my head.

[@jameshurcombe2049]

What was lukes arc in the og ? He went from Farmboy to jedi, but what did he achieve. He didn't kill vader, nor palpatine. Nor defeat the empire. In the last jedi luke has the most character development that he over comes fear & faces Ben & followed obi wans teaching to sacrifice his life with meaning and purpose to help the rebellion escape just like obi wan did

[@bbradley4467]

​@jameshurcombe2049 yup... if Rey is a mary sue... Luke is the biggest version ever. Dude literally masters the force in weeks

[@wyoboy01]

At least Luke learned something from somebody. Took some lessons. Rey just listened to the voices in her head and had a system upgrade new skills added, no learning needed.

[@were-owlinwisconsin4441]

@@jameshurcombe2049 What did Luke achieve? Well, he took out the first Death Star, and then redeemed Anakin Skywalker. Surely that has to count for something.

[@DanakarEndeel]

Rey's 'arc' was more like watching a game of Tic-Tac-Toe.

[@uberfu]

13:26 .... aaaaaannnndddd YET Ray turns out to be connected to someone in the previous Saga > Palpatine. All they did was reverse what Lucas wrote. The skywalker descendant turned evil while teh Palpatine descendant turned good and they both followed the same struggles of the original characters. NOTHING WAS ORIGINAL and was a complete waste of audience time. Don't make Rey's journey out like it was something unqiue or new or novel or never before seen or original. It was not.

[@michaelmcchesney6645]

The problem with the sequel trilogy is that Lucasfilm decided it wasn't important to have decided on a story arc for the Trilogy prior to starting to film The Force Awakens. Ideally, they should have postponed filming until the scripts had been written for the entire trilogy, but at the very least, someone in authority should have known where the stories were going. Instead, they decided to hire excellent directors to create the story arc as the most expensive Improv exercise of Yes, but in Hollywood history. J.J. Abrahams made a film that was almost a beat-for-beat remake of A New Hope. Rian Johnson decided to subvert expectations about Rey's parentage. The whole exercise may have worked out if Colin Trevorrow had directed Rise of Skywalker. Then again, it may have been worse. We will never know. But when they went back to J.J. Abrams, he asked someone to hold his beer while he verted those expectations right back into Somehow Palpatine returned. As it happened, after watching The Force Awakens, I had my own theory about Rey's parentage. I thought it would be really cool if Rey was related to Palpatine, perhaps even his granddaughter. I think it really could have been cool if The Last Jedi had helped to set up that reveal. The Skywalker serving the Dark Side, while the Palpatine served the Light, it could have been epic. It could have been like poetry like they rhymed...

[@danejohannescaldwell7999]

The sequel trilogy reminds me of a game my family sometimes play in which each person takes a turn telling the next 30 seconds of an unfolding story (sometimes with idea prompts, such as the title of the next song to come up in a playlist). As an exercise in improv, its great fun. As a writing technique for movies, it falls short.

[@sandal_thong8631]

Someone said they were pressed to make back their money for purchasing Lucasfilm for too much. And with the time-value of money they could be right. My rent doubled from 2004 to 2021, and $1000 in 1982 is about $3000 in 2020. Still, they should have given them more time to work out a trilogy, so all 5 of the Star Wars movies could make $2 billion each, then they would have come out ahead buying Lucasfilm.

[@IndyDefense]

Daisy Ridley recently said that Abrams originally wanted to make Rey related to Obi-Wan, which is just about as dumb.

[@sandal_thong8631]

@@IndyDefense The twist at the end of _Revenge of the Shit_ should have been that Leia was Obi-Wan's daughter.

[@dinomonzon7493]

"Luke learns that his dad was a murderer." That's a severe understatement.

[@tom_reagan]

2:48 - WOAH! Wardrobe wasn’t messing around with her! Sheesh!! 😳

[@markj3169]

You are an eagle eyed man of culture

[@scottcartwright1718]

"Anybody, even a nobody, could rise up to be a hero" is absolutely perfect phrasing for what Episode VIII was trying to say. Thanks for distilling it so well.

[@brandonshingle574]

I personally feel like the sequel trilogy was doomed from the start because it couldn't decide if it wanted to be a continuation of the previous trilogy or not. What I've heard is that JJ Abrams disliked the prequel trilogy so much that he wanted to reset everything, and so he gets rid of everyone's character development from the original trilogy and forces them into a role from the original trilogy. So Han loses all of his character development and is back to being a smuggler, Luke was supposed to be the new Yoda hiding out waiting to train the next generation, Leia was back to being a leader in the rebellion, and Lando was off doing his business stuff. And that dramatic off screen shift is never fleshed out, we don't get enough time with any of the original characters to see why they made such a crazy change. Because after all of the fan theories I've heard, there's still not something in canon or stitched together from canon that explains why everyone from the original trilogy got factory reset in some ways and brain swapped in others. And that was distracting from the setup that the new characters needed. But we kept going back to the original characters throughout the movies so they could say how much they liked the new characters or to show how different they were from the original characters. Also, there was a lot of telling instead of showing narratively speaking, and a bit too much fan baiting for my taste.

[@PvtPuls3]

I'm a "somehow Palpatine returned" defender. Contextually it makes sense, if you were in their position and all you knew was this evil dude that you thought was dead is somehow back you'd probably have a similar response

[@allthingsnerd.4484]

For the characters, yes I agree with you…. But the audience needs more than that for something as huge as a guy who got yeeted down a thousand foot shaft on a space station that then exploded into shrapnel a few minutes later, just suddenly popping up and saying “what’s up y’all? Miss me? I’m back! Did anything interesting happen while I was gone?”. An audience needs to know how/why, even if the characters don’t and never do. Same thing with the Han Solo ghost. I didn’t catch on first viewing that it was Leia projecting that (which is why she died, same as Luke doing his projection and dying in TLJ) because the editing made it look like she died before the Han appearance. I honestly have no beef with the idea of Palpatine coming back. They did it in Dark Empire YEARS ago. But, they also EXPLAINED it in Dark Empire. Hell, they should’ve just adapted that… have Kylo revealed as trying to defeat the Dark Side from the inside just like Luke did in that comic and that was why he went evil. Have Rey take on the Leia role of bringing him back to the light. Clones are a well established thing in Star Wars… fans would’ve accepted a clone emperor without hesitation.

[@TomCoates]

Love your show. This one definitely crossed a line though into too many ads and promotions. Come on guys, we don’t begrudge you making money, but we’re not just an eyeball farm for cross promotions

[@onslaught147]

You can get rid of all that. Google is your friend.

[@blueskwall]

The justification for Rey to be part of a bloodline arises from the fact that she was immensely strong in the force with no training. Anakin was an anomaly, and Luke beat Anakin. I’m not saying it is the only way to justify her power level, but it is the general justification for her parentage argument.

[@ob1_kn_obi969]

how many ads are they gonna put in a single video??

[@skellytontheskeleton]

glad I pay for premium youtube to get rid of the ads....oh wait...

[@danielmeneses7688]

Do better

[@crookedhands2701]

The grift is strong with this one. May the grift be with you

[@peterbergvall7752]

Yes!

[@geoffroi-le-Hook]

a profusion of orange

[@Trekkie1701-J]

23:50, the moment you realized that star wars was just about money was during TLJ? Dude, I realized that when old Lucas sold out to to the dark side. I watched TFA and was disappointed after the KYlo Ren intro when he started acting like a baby. Everything since just sucked. Abrams, Johnson and especially Kennedy ruined star wars.

[@CutthroatPro402]

When I left the theater after SW9, it was the first time I was legit let down by the franchise and now we’re steadily playing dodge ball with each new outting since. Bleh. The populous wants member berries and not interesting new directions.

[@TheSwamper]

For me, the line that ruined Star Wars was when Qui-gon mentioned midi-chlorian counts. Took away the magic. That's Star Trek, not Star Wars.

[@markj3169]

For me it was "How did this happen? We're smarter than this!"

[@SteveCowlishaw]

tl;dr He cries about "you are a palpatine" It's a little late in the second trilogy to be the thing that ruined it for you, The Force Awakens is what ruined Star Wars, the thing is literally a copy paste of the original trilogy.

[@Kabbleyabble]

Worst line for me was when Holdo said “Godspeed” instead of “May the force be with you”.

[@charliebrownie4158]

Godspeed. There were gods in the universe but only the lowest lifeforms worshiped them.

[@xmasinpacific]

It’s like Spock saying “see ya around” before departing

[@izzyshootsiphone]

I just want to see Darth Vader walk into a room and say “howdy”

[@evilj]

I'm still convinced that the sequel trilogy is the highest-budget fanfic of all time

[@louistully3831]

it’s just a bunch of bad ideas incoherence and emptiness. They should’ve kept Lucas’s sequel ideas.

[@waterjack3]

The one sentence that ruined Star Wars is, .... "I want Kathleen Kennedy to lead Lucisfilm." That's the one

[@chrismcclure4264]

Love the videos, but there's so many commercials for a 26 minute video

[@richtherocket795]

"I've decided to sell the Star Wars brand to Disney, and Kathleen Kennedy will be in charge!"🥺😭🤮

[@theredguy92]

I think the sentence that really did it in was “Disney bought Star Wars”

[@firstaccount888]

“Let’s look at Rey’s story arc” should be the end of the video

[@chrisf84]

7:08 before he actually gets to the actual fucking line. JFC

[@LordPadriac]

The one sentence that ruined Star Wars was the one announcing the sale to Disney followed by a close second of the statement announcing Kennedy running Star Wars for Disney.

[@ToaAgarwaen]

Yeah, Ray being related to Palpatine is just a terrible idea on so many levels. I loved "Ray Nobody" and you explained why perfectly!

[@lokusraven]

The directors should have at least talked about what was planned. The whole scene killing off Snoke with no back story on who or what he was, was what killed it for me. He was the BBG and a powerful dark side user and he died like that? It didn't make any sense. And what about the Knights of Ren? That whole plot thread wasn't explored at all. The way the 7th and 8th movies clashed so badly with each other. It was like "Oh, JJ wanted to do this? Let me just throw all of that away and do my own thing."

[@BTTFMovie]

The Knights of Ren were mentioned once and seen for 2 seconds in The Force Awakens. Nothing about that dictated that they HAD to be utilized in The Last Jedi, which also gave them a mention by way of implying they were the handful of students that left with Kylo Ren after he turned on Luke. That's more info on them than The Force Awakens provided. And what did JJ do with them when they were back in his hands in The Rise of Skywalker? Nothing. Again. Just because Snoke's backstory wasn't explored in the movie he died in, doesn't mean we'll never know what it was. What's Palpatine's backstory just looking at Return of the Jedi on its own? And again, what did Snoke's backstory end up being once JJ got the director's chair back? Something dumb.

[@sunMMVIII]

Yes! Snoke was wasted! The twist happened too fast. TLJ wasted all the characters.

[@ronaldking1054]

The problem is that the fandom claimed that Rey was not possible to exist as she was shown. They claimed that she needed to have some inherited force genius.

[@ericmueller1059]

I loved Rey being not tied to anyone it was fantastic made me think anyone can be a Jedi or have force abilities. Then the rise of Skywalker happen

[@Jordanmode]

Everyone collectively called bullshit when Lucasfilm said that Star Wars is the story of the conflict between the Skywalkers and the Palpatines, or their two “houses,” because “Palpatine” was never a house or family. It was one dude. We only ever saw one of them. And he never seemed concerned with representing his family name, nor did he express an interest in reproducing. Hell, for all any of us who only saw the movies knew, “Palpatine” could have been an alias.

[@Joshua6Point0]

To further your point that Palpatine never seemed interested in reproducing... it actually seemed more extreme than that... because he wanted all the power and to live forever. Why would he have kids, clones or whatever to have to divide his power amongst? He was only ever self serving.

[@death_au]

"Even Master Yoda doesn't have a midi-chlorian count that high!"

[@GeraldOSteen]

For many, the sentence that ruined Star Wars was the announcement that Disney was taking over.

[@universalparadoxes2081]

The sentence that ruined star wars is "Dear JJ, we are delighted to conirm that you will be directing The Force Awakens" or maybe it was even "Dear Kathleen, we confirm tour appointment as CEO of Lucasfilm, we know star wars is in good hands!"

[@rerun40807]

Basically, 7, 8, 9 was a debacle... I wish there was a way to redo 7, 8, 9

[@WarrenEBB]

starts at 16:30

[@khaledgb1]

You've done a great job of finding meaning in a story that has been ruined by corporate greed.

[@robcat2075]

Didn't realize "Star Wars" was a product until "Rise of Skywalker"? I realized it at "The Star Wars Christmas Special." But they had me going until then.

[@xmasinpacific]

Dude have you ever seen the Star Wars tuna commercial from Japan?

[@FionaLovecraft]

Have to agree with you 1000% it became so apparent that nothing had been planned, there was no narrative connectiveness, it really did ruin the movies :(

[@amanda6212]

Agreed. I loved The Last Jedi, the idea that someone could be strong in the force and not be a "Skywalker" blew my mind. Between movies, all I could think about was the little kid with broom at the end. A "nobody". Very touching sentiment. When Kylo says "you're a Palpatine" I literally thought, huh? WTF is a Palpatine? so yeah, agreed

[@thehipinmyear]

"The movie was about Palpatine returning..." and so they announced it in Fortnite. Fuck this whole planet.

[@spectropoetics]

I agree wholeheartedly with your points about the reveal of Rey Nobody and the insulting implications of Rise of Skywalker. Rey as no one was such a smart move and really felt like an opening up of Star Wars beyond the Skywalker saga. I think they've now reaped that sowing with the falling off of Star Wars enthusiasm and the flailing around for post-OG trilogy storytelling.

[@zuhlie]

Kylo: "Rey, you're a Windu...oh, and you're actually black.'" Po: "Somehow, Mace returned...because he's the Jedi-fu€#!ng-Master!"

[@zuhlie]

Kylo: "Finn, you're also a Windu. Different mom. Same dad. But, yeah, that explains the lightsaber."

[@sfkeepay]

The term “nobody” is truly idiotic. No one is a “nobody”, and the people who most use the tern are either drowning in society-imposed self-loathing, or (more commonly) are just a-holes who deploy meaningless, empty criteria while playing their favorite game: judge and rank everything.

[@sunMMVIII]

👌👌

[@death_au]

"Rise of Skywalker just wanted Star Wars to sell me shit." Great line (incidentally how some of us feel about your recent GoT videos, but not trying to attack). But the thing is, selling shit can still work when the story is good. I recently read (rather, listened to as an audio book) the Phasma novel. But I loved the characters and story of Vi and Cardinal. It was fascinating seeing the point of view of someone who believed so whole-heartedly in the First Order (cartoony caricatures of evil as they are portrayed in the movies). But that's just a long way of getting to Black Spire. Black Spire is a story that is very blatantly written to set up and sell Disney's Galaxy's Edge attraction. The only reason I picked it up was because it was a continuation of the story of those characters from Phasma. And it was a great story! And i loved it! And i want to go to Galaxy's Edge to hunt for all the easter eggs referencing (or referenced in) the story! It worked, because the story was the focus and the shit they were trying to sell me was a part of that story. Rise of Skywalker kinda felt like JJ & co yelling at the crowd "Are you not entertained?! Is this not why you are here?!"

[@biff3183]

The Last Jedi wasn't an innovation.... it was a one-shot vanity project. Rise of Skywalker was a half-baked attempt to get the franchise back on track once they realized how much damage RJ's ego was doing ...

[@senn4237]

100%. The Last Jedi is the much bigger crime against Star Wars. JJ Abrams isn't good, but The Rise of Skywalker had to try and fix all of Rian Johnson's fuck ups.

[@xrgg7111]

The line that broke the sequels was "Chewie, we're home", but we were all too busy writing "love you" on our eyelids to notice.

[@bgko91880]

Really? Just one, huh?

[@brandonjordan4596]

The nobody reveal was annoying because force awakens made her too powerful. I would have been fine if she was a nobody but had received training as a child but had her mind wiped.

[@DrLipkin]

In TFA, Kylo throws a temper tantrum when he's told that BB-88 escaped with the help of a girl, followed by him asking "What girl?!" Kylo's narrative in the Force Awakens was that he felt guilty for his past misdeeds, and he kept doing evil things in the hope that it would make him a true villain and he's stop caring. When Kylo's backstory was shown in the Last Jedi, my hope was that it would be revealed that Rey was a student at Luke's school who Ben couldn't bring himself to kill due to her age. It would have tied into everyone's arc up to that point. Rey wasn't waiting for her parents to come back, she was waiting for Ben. Kylo is trying to be a villain, but his moment of weakness and compassion in the past is now coming back to bite him. Rey isn't special because of her parents, but because of what she represents. That Ben isn't irredeemable, and that Luke still has one student left that he didn't fail. In short, she represents hope. My problem with the Last Jedi (well, one of them) is that its attempted messages don't match its story. "Your parents were nobodies" is treated as a twist because the audience expects that Rey is the child of someone important. But Rey is never shown to believe that. She wants to find her parents because *they're her parents.* They aren't nobody to her. The movie is trying to say that "anybody can be somebody, regardless of birth." But in saying that Rey's parents are nobodies who are unimportant, it sends the message that *some people are unimportant.* Ending with the broom kid doesn't show that anybody can be special. It shows that anybody can be special if they're born with super powers.

[@brandonjordan4596]

@@DrLipkin That was great analysis!

[@LadyDath]

I have to disagree with you, the one sentence that ruined Star Wars was: Lets let Disney make the sequel trilogy. The Force Awakens was the beginning of the mess. Lets start with the absolute pile of other stories that already existed and were blessed by Lucas and considered canon that they just tossed onto the dust heap. Many of those stories could have been used as inspiration for a whole new story. And once you get over that crime, realize that the death planet was just a stupid rehash of the death star. Because the writers were completely devoid of creativity. Then realize... This was the high point of the sequels and it only went down hill from there. All the way to the rock bottom of them not even being able to come up with a new bad guy at the end, could they get less creative? Bad writing, bad story telling and stupid dialogue round out an absolute crime against humanity. Honestly, those three films need to go away. Mind you, I have no complaints against the actors saddled with a terrible plot. They did well, with what they were given. This mess falls fully on the heads of the producers and writers who, IMHO should never be allowed to movie again. Just like Lucas can never live down the horror that was Jar Jar or little Anakin shooting up the hangar bay. If you don't think those ideas weren't informed by a desire to merchandise the children of a new generation, you are sadly mistaken.

[@stratotele12]

Eh, it was already ruined in Last Jedi when they betrayed the character of Luke. He almost killed his nephew because he was worried that he would be a powerful dark side user. That is the same character that refused to kill his father. A character who didn't just have potential to be evil, but fully embraced it. Luke still saw the good in him and believed, correctly, that he could be reached. So Luke, a guy that brought out the good side of an almost completely evil character, freaked out because is nephew MIGHT turn evil. No way, and that's when the sequel trilogy died.

[@guamae]

The dog seemed noticeably crestfallen and adrift when you said "Ryan Skywalker" :P

[@EvanYoungMusic]

The Last Jedi was actually decent. I hate how people tried to shit on it. Sure. The whole sub plot sucked, but the rest of it was so good.

[@SinCitizenGent]

Youve entered my youtube stream over the years jumping thu SO many hoops trying to explain the sequel trilogy. The one sentenced that ruined the past 12 years is "Disney bought star wars."

[@mcostagirl123]

Imagine thinking that the Palpatine reveal ruined Star Wars after watching The Last Jedi.

[@sunMMVIII]

Exactly! And I am continually confused how the TLJ cave scene is praised. It was meaningless to me - and empty. If Anakin wasn't didn't have ancestors in the force, then I didn't really expect Rey to be connected.

[@EflowNivek]

Honestly the meta awareness for me came with The Last Jedi, there were good aspects, but when I noticed Rian Johnson actively taking apart The Force Awakens. Luke tossing the Lightsaber, Kylo smashing the helmet, Snoke being killed off without any fanfare. I knew this was nothing more than a dick measuring contest between them which was only exacerbated in Rise of Skywalker.

[@chikowashere]

Sorry man, you are WAY too kind on this. The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker both did irreparable damage to the franchise.

[@samuelzuleger5134]

I could make arguments for TFA. Hardest reset to a franchise ever. Hell, most of the OT main cast of characters had regressed back to their jobs in "A New Hope."

[@MrEmpoleon2010]

@@samuelzuleger5134 I always believed regardless of a plan, TFA was the ground zero of everything I hate about the ST; mainly making it a regressive OT retread.