One Stroke Gas Check Maker

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William Ganley

Күн бұрын

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@Merrilllewis-c3v 10 ай бұрын

Wonderful idea with the container. They should pay you for that idea!

@judd_s5643 Жыл бұрын

Well done video! The format, edit etc. all good. I’m particularly impressed with the detail and actual part numbers of components used. Thanks for doing it!

@GalloPazzesco 11 ай бұрын

Really great idea! Well done! Subscribed, bell rang, commented, liked, upvoted, shared .... may the algorithm gods smile favorably upon your channel friend. Thanks for the video. PS ETA: Guinness Stout Draft cans. The ones with the C0² cartridges inside. Also, when cutting the final strip, simply turn it around to cut off the thin strip.

@hardball107 3 ай бұрын

Good video, I have a Plain Base Gas Check maker like that I use with 158gr Lee FP bullets. I just set them on and push them thru my Lee resize die, they work with any regular cast bullet. I also cast and gas check Lee 200gr bullets (358-200-RF). Those are a heeled bullet designed for regular gas check. I load them into 38 Special brass for my Henry 357 lever rifle and they work great but because of the over 1700fps that 158's churn up in the 20" barrel the plain base checks work great. for the 200's I just use commercial gas checks, they have a ridge on the rim to hold on to a heeled bullet, you can't fit them on a plain base bullet.

@bgufford 11 ай бұрын

The best gas check maker I have was made by Dima Prok. I have a few by Pat Marlin and they work well but they are extremely time consuming to make. I have another I just had made by someone just starting off but it does a poor job and seems to shear. Dima Prok's check maker is absolutely the best. I need to get him to do a couple more for me. Great guy to do business with too. Oh, all I use is soda can aluminum.

@maureenmillard4241 3 ай бұрын

I am lucky enough to have a jewellers roll mill in my shop, I can dial up what thickness works best in my 22 punch check maker . A Charlie Darnell model no longer made. I also use ally flashing. Cheers Mal in au.

@DimaProk Жыл бұрын

.017 - .020 is way too much for 30 cal. The reason it grew for you is because it's being stretched as you form the GC. I make my own GC makers in the same style. I use Amerimax and Gibraltar aluminum rolls and .0.013" - 0.014" thickness worked very well for me on Lee 155gr and 150 FN as well as half a dozen other 30 cal bullets. Pop cans are actually only .004" thick, ok for flat base gas checks only. My local Home Depot sold Gibraltar brand rolls and it was perfect around .013" but since Covid, they switched suppliers and now it's thinner at .011" and that in my experience doesn't want to stay put. Amerimax was sold in Ace Hardware, not sure anymore but it can be bought online. This one still says 0.014" on the label whereas the other one they actually removed the thickness from the label. As far as staying put, I found that its more difficult to install gas checks on PC bullets and PC tends to be slicker, and its harder for GC to stay put, also since you're using Lee lube that might be also the problem. I found no need for any lube to punch gas checks but if you think it really helps, make sure to wash it off later. What I do is I install GC on bare lead and then powder coat everything.

@DimaProk Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, one more thing. I found some aluminum sheets at local scrap yard from a print shop, they came in two sizes, one was around 11 thousands and works great for .357 / 9mm, it's too thin for 30 cal. Measuring thickness with calipers is not very accurate, it varies a lot and you'll get false readings. You need micrometer with ball attachment, the one I got from Harbor Freight is actually pretty good, it allows for more accurate readings.

@CoachKalu 4 ай бұрын

That's Genius!

@DimaProk Жыл бұрын

Nice idea to use a spice jar!

@tonypierantozzi5534 Жыл бұрын

.017 is pretty standard for factory checks. they also seem to have a barb on the inside top edge that embeds into the lead to hold them on. I've also tried checking first then powder coat. Seems more reliable.

@GunGuy258 Ай бұрын

I didn't think you needed to gas check if you powder coat. ????

@LittleAussieRockets Жыл бұрын

I wonder if a small dot of super glue would help the gas checks stay.

@Skilpadjie1 10 ай бұрын

Mine packed up after about 1000 checks. Now tears edges terribly. I believe the edges got damaged. Now going over to Pat Marlin As you can clean and avoid issues easier.

@williamganley4739 10 ай бұрын

What was the material and thickness that you used? Also I was thinking you could try to hone the edge with a ball bearing and some grinding compound.

@luckyrabbit4355 Жыл бұрын

Use some coarse sandpaper on the inside side, so the lead/powdercoat will grip it better. Or use a thinner coat. Even just using razor blade scratches should do something. Also try using the bottom of a soda can, with the outside of can being inside of check, it's slightly thicker. Or put the aluminum in the oven for an hour to soften it up, and the soda cans

@shadowcastre 7 ай бұрын

Once I started powder coating I no longer have a need for gas checks. I can run full power or reduced loads without any issues in all calibers.

@hardball107 2 ай бұрын

Agree completely. I started powder coating my Lee 358-158-RF bullets for my Henry Big Boy 357 with a 20" barrel 5 years ago. It will push those bullets cast out of dead soft lead out of that barrel over 1800fps using H110 or 300-MP without any leading and using the soft lead they mushroom to over twice the starting diameter. Clean up after 500 rounds or so is a quick brush and a swab with some Hoppes, clean as a whistle. I do shoot those bullets in my 350 Legend Ruger American and do gas check them because of the crazy velocity's possible just to be on the safe side.

@64novacaine 4 ай бұрын

IS it possible the flashing material is galvanized steel, check with magnet, it looks like galvanized to me.

@allenmouldey7784 7 ай бұрын

Great video thank you.

@AndrianPrasetyo-gx3qx 4 ай бұрын

What happen when not use gas check, the lead will melt inside the barrel ?

@ronaldfutch508 Жыл бұрын

Maybe the powder coating is causing the checks to not crimp to the bullet, as they are designed, just saying.

@archangel20031 Жыл бұрын

One thing though, Gas checks are intended to prevent leading of the barrel, bullet lube is another method they use, but powder coating gives a smooth slippery shell to the lead bullet, therefor keeping the lead away from the barrel preventing leading of the barrel, so a gas check is not needed with powder coated bullets! So, is this a belt and suspenders thing or what?

@williamganley4739 Жыл бұрын

There are a few benefits for the continued use of gas checks. You can increase the fps rather than treating it like a plated bullet. It also retains the benefits of reducing leading at higher pressures. Another advantage is certain powders degrade powder coatings overtime and this provides a physical barrier.

@AskLeRoy 10 ай бұрын

Powder coat isn't a replacement for gas checks... Not sure where that information gets confused. Gas erosion doesn't discriminate against a poly coating, lube or plain lead. It's all pressure based..

@itsasinine3337 2 ай бұрын

Not true, Most 224 bullet molds(for 223/556) use a gas check heel, not having a gas check there will severely effect accuracy

@gasgas8708 11 ай бұрын

Good job!What is the thickness of copper that you used in milimiters?

@williamganley4739 11 ай бұрын

The copper is 0.5mm on the factory edge. In the video I measured on a cut edge so it was a little thicker.

@gasgas8708 11 ай бұрын

@@williamganley4739 Thanks 👍

@Ruteger100 9 ай бұрын

That paper cutter is great for cutting sandwiches and salami too. My wife uses it to chop pickle slices..so.

@southtownsjoe32 11 ай бұрын

whats your alloy mix??....what rifle?.....GC then PC & stop lube!

@julianlaustsen1991 2 ай бұрын

what's the point of putting those on the bullets? wouldn't they work fine in the shells without?

@williamganley4739 2 ай бұрын

@@julianlaustsen1991 You can use powder coated bullets without gas checks but you shouldn't drive them as fast or at highest pressures. Gas checks are basically a holdover from waxed lubed bullets but can still serve a purpose today. Basically in a belt and suspenders format.

@machinegunner2 Жыл бұрын

is that steel or aluminum flashing material for gas checks?

@williamganley4739 Жыл бұрын

Aluminum. I'm still looking for slightly thicker material around 0.015 - 0.017 for a better fit.

@brianjohnson1985 9 ай бұрын

what do u do when that maker gets dull?

@robstirling3173 11 ай бұрын

Try seating them in a lubrisizer ( RCBS, Star or Lyman. They push the bullet through base first. Use a top punch for the Lube-a-matic, or Turn up a bullet nose punch and push the bullet through the Lee die base first? Have you tried annealing the aluminium strip? Just a swipe of bar soap, then blowtorch, until the soap goes black. Quench in water. A dab of clear glue on the bullet base?

@williamganley4739 11 ай бұрын

I have not tried annealing yet to reduce memory. Although I have experimented with super glue. I'm currently waiting to see if there's any reactions with powder coat degradation overtime. DimaProk who produces gas check dies suggested slightly thicker aluminum stock. I believe the aluminum I used is just not thick or strong enough to properly crimp and fill out the cup fully. This can be seen with that thicker aluminum sheet overflowing when crimped.

@mohammedcohen Жыл бұрын

...I'm impressed - I subscribed...

@brokeloader Жыл бұрын

Interesting product.

@MrTacklebury 9 ай бұрын

do you run into any issues with aluminum fouling in the barrel? Most of the time, gas checks are copper.

@williamganley4739 9 ай бұрын

I wouldn't think there would be a problem since I have seen both aluminum and copper gas checks being sold. I have not had the opportunity used my homemade checks yet.

@italianrelic 11 ай бұрын

Do you really need a gas check on a power coated 30 caliber bullet hard cast

@williamganley4739 11 ай бұрын

It depends on what you're going to do with it. For general lower velocity plinking I doubt it would be a problem. On the opposite side I'm looking to get into higher supersonic speeds. It's also cheap enough just to include a check regardless since you can make them for fractions of what store bought checks cost.

@hardball107 2 ай бұрын

@@williamganley4739 I've never had a problem with powder coating to 1800fps but I bought a 350 Legend bolt gun and those 158's can run over 2200fps so I gas check them just in case.

@blueduck9409 3 күн бұрын

Isint a gas check on a powder coated bullet over kill? I wouldnt think both would be needed.

@williamganley4739 3 күн бұрын

@@blueduck9409 It's more of a belt and suspenders situation. Either would probably be fine.

@CrazzyMoose68 8 ай бұрын

I have this in .22. My problem is with flashing it wants to cut the bottom of the check off. Pop can they come out great. What do you suggest

@williamganley4739 8 ай бұрын

You're not the only person I have heard that's had a problem with the .22 sized check maker. I would try using some Lee resizing lubricant first. It's made for drawing metals and is water soluble to thin it out or clean up. It's repackaged Castrol Iloform PS 700 as shown on the MSDS link on Lee's website. If that doesn't work I would try annealing the aluminum. I have seen a KZbin video in which a aluminum strip is heated up with a blowtorch until a permanent marker streak disappears and becomes more pliable. Overall without more first-hand experience It seems to be a material thickness problem rather than a cutting problem with the smaller .22 dimensions.

@Strutingeagle Жыл бұрын

Just order yourself some .01 copper flashing. Powder coat after the checks are installed.

@semtech5852 Жыл бұрын

How is optics planet still in business

@efrey1911 Жыл бұрын

Volume volume volume!!!!!!!!

@kevinmarrett9532 4 ай бұрын

I would think that it doesn’t much matter how tight the check is, as long as it doesn’t fall off inside the case. The exploding powder should shove it up against the bullet nice and tightly when the round is fired.

@williamganley4739 4 ай бұрын

@@kevinmarrett9532 The problem is with the Lee 155 bullet in 300blk. If you seat it to the crimp groove the check is below the bottleneck to securely hold it. It could be seated longer and have a exposed crimp groove but could run into a length issue. If you don't gas check it's not a problem but not recommended for higher pressures. Like you said it shouldn't be a problem but I don't want to risk it.

@Skilpadjie1 10 ай бұрын

Put a small drop of Red Locktite in each check before he push it on. Will not come off.

@danielkocur3406 26 күн бұрын

With powder coating you do NOT need GC , i run plain base in 30 cal 375 and 416 with no issue im going to give HI TECK coating a go and see how it compares to powder coating