One Very Confused Rail Crew

[@BoneValleyFilms]

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[@dr.leonardhofstadter5866]

Those are some beat up gondola's, I like seeing the old rail road cars. I love the way that C40-8 sounds, that is awesome.

[@attlevi]

Love those engine sounds at the end. Priceless.

[@st7650]

1. Protect the TWO MAN CREW BILL (HR 1748 Safe Freight Act) It’s about public safety and jobs. 2. Go to SMART-UNION.org/td Click on the Red button support two person crews on the right side of division home page. 2. Enter contact info ( this is needed to direct the email to your member of congress. 3. Click Send. The pre-drafted my essage will be sent directly to your member of congress. 4. This effects railroad retirement, retired railroaders, current railroaders there’s even a spot for the general public to make there voice be heard. Please take action there is 175,000 conductors and 59,000 engineers that need this support not to mention public safety at risk. 5. safety of the crews and the public must come first! You have all got this wrong when it come to 2 man crew verses one man crew. The airlines have had autopilot for years but still have two and 3 people in the cockpit. If Boeing has taught us anything technology fails. It’s all the workers do is worry about losing jobs. Its common sense thousands of railroad workers will lose their jobs if all the railroads are allowed to go to 1 man crews. That's an issue you need to take up with Politicians ! They claims they are creating jobs then let him do something about people keeping the ones they have! This is about safety. This is about saving lives. Not just crew lives but the American people as well. Don’t forget about the rule-making process that was invoked by then-FRA Administrator Joseph C. Szabo after an unattended 74-car freight train carrying crude oil ran downhill and crashed in the Canadian town of Lac-Mégantic, killing 49 people in 2013 that had just one man on the train!Railroads preach safety every single day. Its in their rule books and in their advertising. Its 24 hour a day safety...safety....safety. Well let them put their money where their mouths are. Pay for safety. Keep 2 men in the cab. Just like GM shutting down 5 plants putting 15,000 people out of work and pay there CEO 22 million. CSX on the other hand lost 41% of the business once Hunter Harrison took over cutting out almost half the work force from 27893 people down to 15,362 people system wide and they paid him 385 million only to pass away 8 months later! With everything going automated from self check out lanes does anyone profit except share holders and CEOs!!!! The public has no idea what we deal with. Tell your neighbors about how many cars we hit and people are killed every year when they are hit by trains. Explain to them how the engineer is in the cab calling the dispatcher and getting 911 called. He is taking care of anything that may be wrong with the locomotive. He stays with the train. Tell them how the conductor gets down and rushes to the vehicle to see if he can possibly save a life. Maybe a baby is in the car and needs to be helped or maybe the parents can be removed and need CPR. Maybe he can comfort someone who is dying or in shock or screaming because they are severely injured . Tell them about how we hit live stock and large deer. Tell them how people love to put junk on the tracks. Shopping carts, bicycles, steel barrows, wheelchairs and even abandoned cars. Tell them about how many trees we hit a year and do extensive damage to the locomotive. The engineer stays with the locomotives and assess the damage and does what is necessary to radio dispatchers for help while the conductors gets down and removes debris and check the rest of the train for any damage or signs of derailment. Tell them about the territory that is in the middle of TIM BUCK TWO! The places where no one can get to you fast unless you have a helicopter. How will they go bathroom now without two people to keep the train going down the tracks unless they have to stop not blocking crossings or take lunch. Tell them how radios don't always work in remote locations. Telemetry drops out and communication is lost. How many times does a conductor have to go back and trouble shoot another unit after alarms are going off. The engineer keeps the train rolling the best he can while the conductor checks the computers and checks to see if it is loading. Tell them about the blind curves that only one crew member can see around when your approaching public crossings or trees that block signals so that only one crew member can see them until you get the train right on top of them. Tell them about wash outs from floods, and heat warped rail and fog so thick you cant see a foot in front of you. SO WHAT IF YOU GOT PTC!! PTC does not tell you if a car in stopped on the tracks or a tree is across it or a person is walking in the tracks or there is 5 inches of water over the rail! Tell them how crew members have been attacked and some have even been killed by gang thugs and trespassers. A single man has no chance in these situations. It is better to have someone else with you to keep watch when working in bad areas and ghetto rail yards. The list goes on and on. Tell them how the company took away the right of the crew members to take a power nap. One crew member is supposed to call stopped every 15 minutes while they are waiting on line of road. As long as someone is awake and doing this and paying attention there is no reason on god green earth while a tired crew member cant take a 20 minute power nap. Tell them how crews are run into the ground and some are called out every 10 hours around the clock. They work all hours of the day and night and most have no weekends off. The company wont even let them have a power nap. What is going to happen when there is only 1 man on the train by himself and he is just plain worn out or is sick and afraid to take a day off because of the companies new attendance policy which is just absolutely insane. People come to work sick all the time. Vomiting, diarrhea, fevers and the flu doesn't stop them because they are in fear of losing their jobs. How is a sick man who is all by himself going to be able to make a full run safely and without risking his life or the publics when he doesn't have his other crew member to help keep him alert. The engineer has many roles and duties as well as the conductor. There are times when something happens that it is a must for an engineer to be on board and ready to take instructions while the conductor handles the rest of the responsibilities. There are so many things that go into railroading and running trains that the public doesn't know a thing about. THIS ONE MAN CREW IDEA IS THE MOST UNSAFE AND IRRESPONSIBLE IDEA that has ever been brought forward in the history of the railroad industry. And for what? To save a dollar. To line someone's pockets. To make someone rich. Who care who gets killed. If you think crossings are blocked now imagine if there was only one man and had to wait on someone to cut a crossing!Who care about the destruction to family lives. I don't know about you but I sure do and so should every person in America! Also if you haven’t seen it check out this KZbin video kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6XJimeqnt6AsJo ‪Railroadworkersunited.org‬

[@artnc4139]

I suspect they might have worked for Swift trucking before getting their RR job

[@WimsicleStranger]

Fred Stiening Swift Trucking isn't THAT bad! They give you a nice 30 minute break while you wait for them to back up to the dock correctly.

[@billymoore8731]

Reminds me of Melton trucking in Lakeland fla.

[@MrDavesandstorm]

A Swift driver wouldn't even be able to back up something that had a fixed travel location.

[@DowneasterProductions]

Fred Stiening no they worked for UPS

[@Dondo_Golden_Rose]

Lol

[@Bill23799]

Where is Thomas when you need him? Mr. Top 'M Hat will not be pleased.

[@kc8rbk73]

You're right, that power sounds beautiful!

[@MsJinkerson]

I love the sound of a locomotive

[@skillium1300]

If they have track and time in that area, they don’t have to look or respect signals, they just have to stay within a specified area

[@beckyshock3099]

And there is FRED.......... Doing his job......

[@TrainsNStuff]

I LOVE the C40-8!!! Too bad you don't see those very often anymore.

[@JerryNSretired]

Uh, there could be a number of reasons why it was done the way they did. I couldn't hear any dispatcher traffic so I 'm guessing. First move, They may have intended to shove in "headways" and just drop the gons. The dispatcher could have notified the crew that a customer wanted them switched in a different way, or there were cars, or a "cut" that to be built in such a way so the total train would "set off" a certain way. IOW, "dovetailing" them into another cut. "Running" an absolute STOP is not necessarily absolute nor must the train stop short of it IF 1) he is clearing a high switch, 2) dispatcher authorizes it. See, there could be more traffic in the block(s) ahead, and if a switcher always had to stop without contacting dispatch, you could unnecessarily tie up a whole mess of moves and delay (gum up the works) if there weren't ways around a STOP signal. So, its majorly controlled by the dispatcher by radio as opposed to the old train order and timetable system. Under track warrants, it works a bit different and allows the dispatcher some flexibility. So if there is traffic ahead in the next block, but RUNNING, opposing traffic, a switcher can pass a STOP for the purpose of clearing a high switch so long as the track isn't fouled ahead and any train occupying that "Red" block is aware of the move. Of course, if its too close for comfort, then, yes, he would have to stop or clear up south of the switch. Remember: With the info I have, I am guessing so don't bet too critical.

[@timothyandelmo541]

Love those standard cabs!!!

[@albertcyphers1532]

I heard about a CSX train that got switched to the wrong track in New Jersey. Not sure how they rectified the mistake but CSX pulled into Penn station. Now there's confusion

[@turnoutjim]

Always did like those idle engines of an Alco two stroke diesel

[@magnetom1422]

At 7:00, that gondola has taken a beatin' lol

[@anthonycedar7]

(3:27) GREAT K5LA!

[@shawnpowell5876]

I'm as confused as you are and I like that GP40-8 myself. I call them the SPONGEBOB ENGINES bcuz how the nose is yellowed out lol.

[@ejdsndnj]

The hell is a gp40-8?, Thats a c40-8

[@tobycameron317]

You cut away at 6:39, did the man do anything with the switch? Beyond perhaps making sure it was in the right position for the oncoming Amtrak, after they'd mis-set it earlier?

[@bradleyhannah8713]

I have been in the same situation ,you have a green crew and never been to that yard. Mistakes will be made ,as far as the signal they most likely had permission to pass the block.

[@straightto8]

Same here, when I was yard conductor on an extra switcher when Amtrak was running the freight operations, normally I worked the brakemans job but my conductor never showed up, so they’d move me up half the time without telling me. One such night, was sick and came to work, was raining too, got a newly marked up brakeman who didn’t know the freight yard or industry tracks we spotted, but we were all new once. Then two more folks show up, that need to be yard trained, so I had to balance this crew where I could give them things to do that wouldn’t get us in trouble, but I was pulling my hair out. Final straw was one of the trainees falling asleep on the ground leaning against the switch he was supposed to have lined for us, he awoke in a panic and lined the switch against us, but then was standing in the gauge waving his arms for us to stop. I bailed off and ran ahead and pulled him off as the switcher came to a stop shirt of splitting the switch. This guy had narcolepsy and was a cop, but couldn’t handle working at night and it showed here too. Found out he quit the following day, guess he figured out it wasn’t for him.

[@dr.leonardhofstadter5866]

Man this is the most hilarious video on trains I ever seen, the engineer ran that red light. So he was thinking, oh man was that light red? Better back this puppy up.

[@TheNemosdaddy]

Dr. Leonard Hofstadter that's not how it works at all.

[@westernwashingtonrailprodu6339]

Man, I've heard of taking the wrong side street, but never the wrong siding! Awesome video. I really enjoyed it.

[@thomabb]

Did they run the light, or had they already knocked it down by the time you caught it on camera?

[@stuff_n_thanngs7552]

Europa H2O Alien you dont have to stop for an ABSOLUTE signal because u left a switch open?? interesting. remind me to never work with u out there.

[@epiccsx]

Was wondering that myself lol

[@winkyB450]

I worked for another railroad till I retired. I think the one I worked for would have been releving them and giving the a pee test.

[@coletrick8748]

They are probably not confused you just have no idea what the conversation is between the Dispatcher and Engineer and what’s goin on with this train.

[@burdizdawurd1516Official]

I wouldn't be so sure if they SPAD. By the time I saw the signal the train had likely knocked it down, and who is to say that the lowest head wasn't displaying an aspect. Strange incident anyways. By the time they got back I would have said "you look confused, need a hand?" And drawn a map for them. How did they get lost, it's a 4 track yard!

[@gravelydon7072]

Might be a crew in training. :-)

[@Madness832]

"OK, now we're on the right track (~2:13)." No pun intended?

[@ADMIRALSCORNER]

Great to see such action at an interesting location!

[@JaJa-tb9pv]

ADMIRALSCORNER poeple are sick hearing about trump

[@gregblanton9386]

​@@JaJa-tb9pv TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!

[@fostoriadistrictrailfan3907]

Me playing train sim 2020: Am i on the right track?

[@Organgrinder1010]

Awesome sound! Great video!

[@indianoladave]

I seen only one shinny dolly set. I would bet there is a wheel greaser some where near that out of place metal shed

[@DerHistoryMeister]

they probably got the red signal clearance from the dispatcher. Everything else, no clue.

[@mikebritcom3171]

are train nerds like sparkies that follow fire trucks?

[@royhoco5748]

there's a malfunction at the junction

[@jamesa702]

Maybe just testing the yard master...

[@SharkyCartelRailroad]

WELL HELL YEAH THE DASH * SOUND AMAZING

[@gregjeffcoat4258]

Come on guys Homer Simpson is a hard working guy. It's not easy to get lost in a railyard.🤪

[@captainmorgan757]

Which crew member was watching the shove movement?

[@reneemellinger8157]

they never ran a red signal

[@tkarail]

I can see why they reversed to get past the signal, for Amtrak, but after that I have no clue...lol. Nice video!

[@tobycameron317]

Whatever they were doing, clearing the grade crossing was also a priority...

[@georgekehoe6807]

tk aubuchon 6$

[@snakeyes1952]

Must have been a rookie team driving the train.

[@hankshwank9113]

Hope you had some ear plugs in because that engineer sure liked to lay on the horn.

[@leesherlock8046]

Did u get dude to the dmv

[@jthomas3528]

I guess you had to be there. LOL

[@southernpacific2548]

Who is protecting that reverse move?

[@GEES44DC]

Where is your proof they ran a red light? The bottom light likely was permissive.

[@soolinetrains6625]

4:40 is that millenniumforcd

[@BoneValleyFilms]

Sadly yes. No courtesy on his part to anyone filming

[@soolinetrains6625]

That man is *everywhere*

[@rearspeaker6364]

@@soolinetrains6625 so are the earthquakes and sinkholes...............

[@PnwFerrynerd]

AMAZING 3rd gen K5LA

[@eliotvideos2009]

I suspect they are new or the fatigue has got to them

[@santatigerclaus]

I would have thought Calumet city would have wondered wtf was going on

[@rgsnidow1]

I hear Milleniumforce in there running his mouth hollering about going to the DMV...lol

[@whiteknightcat]

LOL - I saw the big guy with the camera and thought "I wonder if that's that Millenium Force jerk". Didn't know it was really him.

[@boomer8806]

I had the misfortune of meeting him once...

[@opiumextract2934]

Glad he doesn't come to Texas

[@boomer8806]

Probably because people without values aren't welcome in Texas; from what I saw, he was treating his wife and daughter like pack mules.

[@opiumextract2934]

That's insane, even the railroad treats us with a little dignity(very little)

[@philleonard6940]

Whats the class of the second loco is she 7 thousand class the front one is a nicer looking Loco we have A lot of GM Locos Here In Dublin Ireland. Any of you ever here of Jerry Warren Bender.

[@ejdsndnj]

The second locomotive is a c40-8w

[@Oklahomarailfan.]

at 6:20 you can see Amtrak in the background

[@MsJinkerson]

nice shot of a C.W. 4400

[@ejdsndnj]

That was a c40-8

[@EdmontonRails]

When CP is assembling oil trains near my house there's times where the crew applies the brakes too early and the crew simply throttles up like crazy to fight the brakes and couple. Great action for GE lovers.

[@stuff_n_thanngs7552]

Noah S. Try driving a train once and tell me how easy it is

[@tulyar1043]

What do you want them to do? Have a runaway? Look what happened a few years ago, an oil train runaway and caused a huge fire,loss of life and destruction of property and environmental damage. The crew you saw were being cautious for good reason. Otherwise there could of been..it doesn't bear thinking about.

[@GolfFoxtrotCharlie-gfc]

You're actually supposed to do that. You set the brakes up on your train, but bail them off your engines, that way if you need to stop quickly you just throttle to idle and bam you stop, instead of setting up the air and waiting for the brakes to set which could end up taking so long you blow past whatever you needed to stop for. We generally do that when we need to maintain some speed but also be able to stop quickly if needed, like coming around a curve in a yard or pulling up to say a signal or stopping point. What they've beat into us is "use those brake shoes on the cars up, don't worry about them". That also has all the slack stretched out of your train, so when you stop your cars are slamming all over the place.

[@acelakid94]

Matthew Robison The MBTA commuter rail trains I used to take in the evenings used to do that. I could feel and hear the train braking, but then hear the locomotive rev like hell and the cars bump back and fourth. It mostly happened when it was dark out and when the platform was next to curved track. I guess the engineer can’t see out of the mirror that well at night so they were using the method you described to slow down at just the right time to line up with elevated portion of the platform per the conductors directions.

[@Lysergic_]

my dad knows a crew that did this to the extreme, and now they have the title "burning the steel bridge" wrap your head around that for a second

[@meccaskeye5868]

Heck they will law out about time they get where they’re going .

[@joehnunya]

Whos bust is it. Dispatch or crew?

[@MailmanRailfan]

Rookie crew? Were they even qualified for this stretch of track or yard ?

[@magnuslindqvist442]

It was a very fun video, but the wind blowing was killing my ears, so i had to run it without sound! :(

[@ralphdyson7926]

Why are they using two enormous trains to do basic shunning duties?

[@beeble2003]

Nobody makes or buys small locomotives in the US any more. The railroads use older road locomotives for local and switching duties. They use them in pairs because there's only a cab at one end and it's safer and easier to run forwards, with better visibility.

[@rosemaryarmitage3391]

what where they thinking. I seen what happen when two train on the same track. I signal the first train that was close to me that they where on the same track as the other coming this way. You should have seen them move.

[@BackyardProspector]

thanks for the vid

[@Wildstar40]

Ever see a cop pull over a train and give the engineer and conductor a field sobriety test ? Maybe it's about time. Could generate a lot of revenue and save a lot of lives and just think of the police pursuit engine !

[@michaelthompson7570]

Ns trainmaster would have a field day on this one…….

[@lanequielynch9341]

Good video cuz

[@fuzzybear452]

I seen 1 thing wrong here. CSX, NS, and all other freight trains are limited to 45 mph. Only Amtrak can and is limited to 70 mph.

[@hoghed]

Try doing just 45 MPH on the BNSF Emporia Subdivision. They'll put you in the hole and you won't come out till the whole damn world's gone by you. Twice.

[@fuzzybear452]

hoghed it may seem that way by watching them. And yes I have followed them. And have passed them by at 50 mph. I have followed just about every train company out there. And only Amtrak is limited to 70 mph

[@hoghed]

Auto trains and TOFC trains on the BNSF Emporia sub are good for 70 MPH. If you're doing 68.5 MPH, that dispatcher is going to be in your ass. You may have followed trains alongside the highway, but I ran them. Incidentally, Amtrak is limited to 79 MPH on the 'bullet' lines.

[@furretstrains658]

HA! Norfolk Southerns FLY through Locust Grove at an estimate of about 65 MPH.

[@nowake]

All depends on the class of the track, which depends on the geometry of the track. You could have freight doing 100mph if the track conditions/timetable allowed it.

[@josephtatham800]

So much for on time delivery. In life expect the unexpected. Oh yeah, the text would be better in white. Otherwise, fun video. Keep the camera rolling!

let's turn these guys loose in the Bailey yard

[@arturoreyes533]

Lol. Waste of fuel, time,money

[@hoghed]

Sounds like just another day on the railroad.

[@evkeeney2851]

They knew what they were doing.lol.It's the American way.....

[@MustangsTrainsMowers]

This is why locomotives need steering wheels.

[@BigTex9752]

LOL

[@eastamericantrains589]

They didn’t run it they just had permission to pass at danger.

[@dinkchow]

How come gondola cars always look like a Dumpster?

[@ShizSmitty]

They take a beating. They are usually carrying boulders or scrap metal or garbage. Big bulky loose materials.

[@smashedcaboose6526]

Is that millenniumforce?

[@washingtonpark8880]

This is "Precision Scheduled Railroading".

[@boomer8806]

Harrison's "Precision Scheduled Railroading" means a train doesn't sit at a major yard waiting for cars; when it's time to go, it goes. If a car doesn't make it on to its train, it's either added to the next train going to/dropping cars at the same place or it goes out the next day. So the reasoning is, if 1 car shipment is late, all the other shipments in the train aren't late as well. The issue is so much infrastructure and manpower was cut at once, everything's still in an array of chaos.

[@dh-_1011]

Not any more

[@beeble2003]

This has nothing whatsoever to do with PSR. I wish people would stop using "PSR" to mean "stuff the railroad does that I don't like".

[@TheDankEngineer]

Opie and Woohoo - the most confused team (If you know the paint scheme you'll get the joke)

[@djpalmer593]

Whats a gondala

[@orionsanchez6636]

DJ Palmer A type of railroad car used to transport materials such as scrap metal and iron. Also for future reference its Gondola

[@MrBilldx1]

WAS A WOMAN DRIVING

[@kennymcgowan5160]

First day Jitters or totally just didn't want to work

[@ReneeNme]

I hope this wasn't my buddies son. lol. He was a newly certified engineer with CSX at the time that this video was shot.

[@carltorjusen558]

can't read the red

[@DerredmaxTRIAX]

Is that where that saying came from? Now your on the right track. Makes sense.... As for the confusion I would say its one of two things. 1 A stroke Or 2 drunk. most likely 2

[@hoghed]

Another kitchen-table conductor heard from...

[@davevonmuenster6649]

Exactly, he should go watch ellen.

[@marmatari]

Seaboard Rail fanner i do believe that enganner need to back to train school!

[@stevek6432]

you pass red on train simulator you loose the game

[@matt84712]

I thought railroad guys hated being filmed

[@jeffmartin2110]

Please do not put your text in red. Being red/green color deficient it makes it impossible to read your text.

[@dragonbutt]

*puts red/green 3d glasses on you*

[@HotForgeChaos]

You bad man! Also its hard enough to read the red on green without being red/green colour deficient

[@robertwalton7307]

If you don't know where your'e going any road will get you there...

[@justyouraveragerailfanner]

Did they get fired?😂

[@blizzardfan777]

sparky1024 I doubt it. HH keeps these types of idiots and fires those of us with the BLE-T that actually do our job and do it right. 1 year of conductor work and 4 as an engineer down the crapper. In all honesty, these (most likely UTU) idiots are now in corporate.

[@blizzardfan777]

Europa H2O Alien Come to CSX Huntington Division, go to the Russell Yard and see how many individuals there love Mr. Harrison. You're not going to find anyone in a region such as Appalachia who has a positive view of him after laying off over 1/3 of his company's workforce in one region. Btw what's your position with CSXT?

[@blizzardfan777]

Europa H2O Alien Also, 5 years at First Union Rail, 1 year at CIT Group Rail Solutions, and 5 years at CSXT, uh, last I checked leads to a certain degree of experience. I worked a route between Russell, KY and Avon, IN, and vice-versa while at CSX. I'm still a dues paying member of the BLE-T Local 4, yet I'm planning on relocating to Local 271. And the last time I played with a toy train was roughly 2 decades ago. I teach the Railroading Merit Badge in the BSA. I've had the chance to be an instructor in the Mountwest Railroad Training Program. I'm one of 3 resident experts on diesel-electric locomotives and how to operate them in the Collis P. Huntington Railroad Historical Society Chapter of the NRHS. Out of all the above, I have yet to hear anyone say that they admire E. Hunter Harrison. If you took offense to me belittling the UTU, well they have yet to be hit as hard as the BLE-T has in terms of layoffs. And finally, I can tell that you clearly have a collegiate education because of your highly intellectual vocabulary in articulating your debate position.

[@ZachPumphery]

This comment thread gave me cancer.

[@shwaybotx]

Easy on the zoom, dude. Keep it wide.

[@itchyvet]

How the hell can they simply reverse without someone ridding on the rear advising them of signal aspects and crossings in accordance with the Rules ?????

[@alwhalen3488]

They backed up to clear that crossing and the conductor was on the ground but in a position to see the rear. You do not always have to be on the equipment to see the track behind you.

[@jossdeiboss]

The sound is really cool! Were the people in the crew drunk? I mean...I'm not a train engineer and I don't know the yard well, but to me it seemed obvious that they had to stop before the red signal, ask for authorization, go a little further, switch and go back on the side track. I'm worried about the safety of that RR...

[@leevernoy9766]

Obviously, this crew couldn't collectively count their feet and get the same number twice.

[@tnmonty501]

You have no idea what these guys are doing

[@Garylee17]

whats this about???

[@ohioandnortheastern]

Gary Bowser can you read

[@hoghed]

It's about 10 minutes long.

[@furretstrains658]

Someone got fired...

[@Radionut]

Huh? What were they doing? The red letter font is hard to read pick another color for you music. Thanks for the bloat. Great video

[@KC9CPX]

They ran a red signal and that should have been a big Nono. It’s illegal on the roads, why not the tracks too.

[@25mfd]

You can lose your job for blowing a signal. Not sure what happened with these fellows though.

[@dirtybiker2661]

Your that board that you have to watch choo choos

[@hoghed]

*You're* that *bored* you have to troll choo-choo watchers?

[@DetroitLove4U]

It was the conductor's last day on the job was retiring. BS'ing around. That's all. No big deal.

[@25mfd]

A guy with that type of mentality made it all the way to retirement???????????

[@onrr1726]

1 of 2 things going on. 1 this may not be a local crew so it might be understandable for not knowing the track names. 2ed if there doing MW work the dispatcher may have given them orders to run the red signals. When I worked for Sperry Rail Service we were allowed to run all signals unless told different by the hosting railroads Dispatcher and or Track foreman.

[@PaulCashman]

#2 sounds likely. MOW units are often granted more clearance from the dispatcher; locally I've seen them "sharing" a siding behind another train several times, which means they HAD to have passed a red signal to slide in behind them. It can be done with dispatcher approval, and I think it MUST be logged.

[@onrr1726]

Paul Cashman everything is logged that's where the clearance forms / movement forms come in handy the dispatcher has them on the computer while the crews have a paper pad with them that they fill out.