My Thoughts on The War Within Season 1 Dungeon Rotation and more...

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[@ludekcortex]

Necrotic Wake will probably be Atal'dazar of your videos in next expansion - so many things can go wrong when ninjapulling all those partol mobs before first and second boss

[@Travis-Barth]

That, and not doing the chains right on 3rd boss. Even when it was current, people didn't know how to chain the guy properly.

[@luckygozer]

Alright I suddenly feel a lot more positive about the dungeon. If it's a mess atleast we'll get to enjoy some metro vids

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@luckygozer hahaha ya good way to look at it honestly!

[@Taphosthewarlock]

Compleetely agree, was gonna jump in comments to say this myself. Boss #2 is gonna cause so many wipes on tyrannical.

[@kizzagaming6523]

I'm excited for the content, lol. Even fully like, decent groups would mess stuff up in there all the time, not looking forward to the trinket being BIS again though after farming 100 + on each healer in shadowlands.

[@normannseils3936]

My first ideas for the dungeon: Wake - remove weapons, make the portal mobs before first boss playable, keep golems but usable for everyone. Mist - open all the doors and in the maze remove the „Riddle“, Every door opens after you kill the pack, so you can design your own route trough the maze or even double pull. Siege - make horde version baseline, make that the spotter only does damage to his pack, overhaul the last boss. Grim Batol - make the dragons usable as a „graveyard“-skip if you killed later bosses, so they are still there but only for flavour.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Good ideas! The maze either likely needs a full redesign or needs to stay as it is. There is an enormous amount of count in there and it's all the easiest trash in the dungeon so if you could pull that much there everyone would skip everything else.

[@Liz.1609]

Was patiently waiting for a video with your thoughts!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

The wait is over!!

[@bloodculprit111]

Dude I loved mists and necrotic wake back in SL but would love to see sanguine depths come back

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya no doubt I'm excited for shadow lands dungeons

[@geg495]

I will always remember necrotic wake because it was my first 15 in time and you were there helping me. I remember I ran into that really hard mini boss pack without the orb weapon and you were like oh no wtf you doing lol

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

hahaha ya man I remember it well! You've come so far!

[@nathanw4897]

Heroic grim batol was super hard when first released for pugs

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya no doubt, but obviously the game has changed a lot since then. I'm more worried about the gimmick of the dragons.

[@azkendarken4403]

mists, ara-kara city of echoes & the dawnbreaker are 3 boss dungeons so 3 dungeons of 3 bosses pretty nice

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

oh wow didn't realize that.

[@Galifax2]

grim batol might be interesting if the dragon flying part is needed if you dont kill any of the hard groups, key is over already at some levels

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya it will be a total mess. Even one pack not dying is enough to add minutes to the key, and that will cause all kinds of issues in pugs. If the dungeon comes in with that feature, and it works like we know it does now, it will be the absolute worst pug dungeon ever.

[@christopherdaffron8115]

Hope to see you get into The War Within alpha!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Thanks for saying so.

[@dannyd806]

This is going to be great for all those players that didn’t do much of SL. I loved the dungeons. I imagine for mists they’re going to just open up that gateway at the start, spawn points will be after each boss like before. Easy fix. NW on the other hand will be interesting. The spears on the 3rd boss, dear god that was a spawn point for toxicity 😂if you didn’t know what to do, you got reamed out!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya will be very interesting to see what they do with those dungeons for sure.

[@flumm0x_]

I first started playing and healing in cataclysm/cataclysm heroics. Seeing grim batol again has my eyes rolling out of my skull.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Are the eyes rolling out of my skull a good or bad thing? It sounds like a bad thing but since you first started playing then I figured that would make it nostalgic for you

[@flumm0x_]

@@heythereguysitsMetro it’s very nostalgic haha, but i just really didn’t like that cata dungeon very much due to the dragon stuff you mentioned.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@flumm0x_ oh gotcha. Ya it's a cool dungeon outside of that, but not a good mythic plus for that reason.

[@Lilligirl319]

NW and Mists were fun AOE dungeons so that’s good and what people love. Be interesting to see what they do with it.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I guess the last part of mists could be look at that way, but I wouldn't really categorize it like that. Most of the dungeon is going to be single pulls, and half those are enforced by the maze section. The AOE segment is the end, which everyone wanted to skip because it was inefficient, and that required a huge amount of work. Hopefully it will play out as a better mythic+ this time around.

[@deadbird808]

I can just see all the hunter pets pulling that pack when trying to jump over the pillar in necrotic wake 😅.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

ya some wacky situations in there either way. Might make for some good content!

[@kevinudd9111]

I would assume that they will do what they did to WM that they will have the doors opened!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

For the maze? I don't think so, that would really change the entire dungeon at a fundamental level. But I would expect some changes to necrotic wake at least.

[@faxxie9964]

the SL instances will be fine, i wouldnt have personally chosen Mists but its okay.. NW is a banger instance happy to have that one i do wonder if Covenant abilities will work tho, Like can i as a hunter use wild spirits during these 2? b/c soon as you zone into shadowlands content those abilities go to your spell book, i also dont mind Grim batol being first (instance sucks and i dont want it but).. at least it being first means they have the next 4-5 months to change/tune it lol i love love love love warbands tho everthing becoming boa is great.. sending max level gear to alts is sweet.. sending currency is sweet. all your accounts gold in 1 spot is sweet i love it!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya good way to look at it. They have extra long to make these season 1 dungeons right.

[@-GrD1]

Totaly unrelated to the Video tho but Im personaly a very big fan of Motherlode, might go as far and say that its my favorite dungeon of the game. Since we haven't seen it yet I had my hopes it would be coming next exp. Whats your thought or Motherlode, you liked it or nah?

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Its my #1 from BFA for sure. Loved the atmosphere and the wide-open nature, as well as the difficult trash. Very challenging and feels rewarding as a Blood DK. I don't think I can compare BFA dungeons to Shadowlands etc, but I can comfortably say Motherlode and Halls of Attonment are two I am VERY eager to see again. I would also have said Court and DHT, but those are behind us now.

[@vjr6939]

That is insanely cool, love the SL dungeon pool!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Me too, excited to see how these work. Im sure if these are on the table we might see even more.

[@Slipknockout]

Metro do we get a 522 next week from the vault if we do a +20 this week?

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

No

[@quintit]

Everblom with worse bosses, oh boy. Never played SL but I'm excited to try them and see your disband videos from those dungeons.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya honestly it has four really hard bosses but they were easy because you could use the weapons on every one.

[@Travis-Barth]

9:00 my guess, if they dont choose to route it one way, it might be based on party leader faction, so if ur an alliance, might want to choose a group with horde leader lol, now that you can m+ cross faction. Otherwise yea its kinda lame

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, will make playing with a horde character mandatory. Although I don't think that would be hard to pull off.

[@kopitarrules]

I am legit still shaking, everything I could have wanted was announced. The dungeons are almost beside the point, no matter how good or bad they are I will learn them, get better at them and conquer them. (That being said I do think the dragons in grim batol will automate, leaving you with a set amount of mobs that would have, in the old version, needed to be nuked from orbit by you riding them. Also RIP Sarah's poor DH with siege of boralus being back. lol) The talent changes, man the talent changes. The WW community has been griping about the need for a complete rework for multiple expansions, now and even the new DF talent point system didn't seem to go far enough for them, but this... This to me seems perfect. I hope my fellow WWers will agree and we can stop being grumpy as a community. Lol And the arachnophobia switch, as limited as it is right now, I am just blown away with joy. I never complained or asked about this kind of feature, because I am well aware it is a me thing be dude, this means as much to me as the m+ changes coming next week meant to you it changes how I play and interact with the game in such a fundamental game I just, love it so much. Blizzard has once again affirmed their hold on my soul. Lol Next stop, Metro Alpha streams (willing it into existence for you) LFG! (Don't tell anyone but I actually swore in my head when I said the words for that abbreviation, happiness is that real. lol)

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Glad to hear! Classes are going to again be a marquee feature of my love for the upcoming expansion. I really want to check out windwalker too, but goin to wait for a time when Pandaren heritage is in so I can check off all boxes.

[@kopitarrules]

@@heythereguysitsMetro I can definitely respect that. Windwalker is such a different class would be fun to hear your take on it for sure. I am certain, what with MoP remix now coming, Pandaren heritage armour cannot be far behind. The War Within is going to be so freaking hype, I am going to have trouble concentrating on S4. So much goodness coming so soon. See you in the Alpha!

[@chunh6741]

No Theatre of Pain?!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

correct

[@user-vp4ns1fw7v]

If they leave siege of boralus as is, I am excited to see funny clips with clueless pugs not knowing how bosses and trash works. I really hope to see as someone yells at tank for not taunting the 1st boss.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

haha ya some weird stuff will come out of that one for sure.

[@peterbradorsteveaussie8184]

I hope this list is wrong. What lunatic at blizzard thinks putting Siege and Grim Batol into the dungeon pool is a good idea? These dungeons contradict what they have been saying about making mythic plus more accessible. Siege is the most anxiety inducing dungeon in the game with its gimmicks. They had much better dungeons to choose from with BFA Necrotic Wake season 1 of Shadowlands was a nightmare if someone ninja pulled and it threw your prideful % out.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

List isn't wrong, no. I don't know why they chose siege, but they talked about Grim Batol coming due to the dwarf connection. Unsure what you are trying to get at with "accessibility" though. The dungeons themselves have nothing to do with those types of changes. Blizzard obviously intends all dungeons to be part of an equal playing field. They didn't make it with the design of making it "anxiety inducing" that's just your perception of it. Its flat out a bad mythic+, but its likely they will make adjustments anyway so we will have to wait and see. Faxxie brought up a great point, that at least since its season 1 they have a lot more time to potentially tweak these dungeons before its launch.

[@peterbradorsteveaussie8184]

@@heythereguysitsMetro One of the reasons they started rotating dungeons was because they didnt want a meta to form with routes or strats. That's not "my perception" That's actually what Ion said. Thus making it more accessible, So why bring in a dungeon like Siege that useds gimmicks to do it efficiently. Any dungeon that uses weapons, cannons will never be on an equal playing field. Impossible to balance

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@peterbradorsteveaussie8184 Because they do not view dungeons like that as in violation of that statement, obviously. I don't know what more to say, and think you are heavily misunderstanding the statement you quoted. That statement is referring to the transfer of information through 3-4 consecutive seasons. It is in no way making individual dungeons accessible to people who want them all to be a specific set. Either way the "gimmick" on the last boss of siege is just how the fight plays out. Its not to do with balancing, like the weapons in Necrotic Wake. Its just an annoying boss because you never get to consistently fight one target, so classes that benefit from that are overly difficult to play there.

[@peterbradorsteveaussie8184]

@@heythereguysitsMetro "Blizzard obviously intends all dungeons to be part of an equal playing field" If that were true they wouldn't have 2 different phases of Siege. And they do look at dungeons as a violation of that statement, It's the reason they made it so dragonflight dungeons are basically hold w to go through. And so far the 2 alpha dungeons in TWW are the same. What tech do you use in any dragonflight dungeons like you did in BFA or shadowlands? I never said i was talking about the last boss in siege, Thats just the way the fight it.. Im talking about the use of air strike and certain pulls to do the dungeon efficiently. Which is also the same problem with Grim batol and Tol

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@peterbradorsteveaussie8184 Neltharus was a tech heavy dungeon for one. Let's not argue just to argue man. Dungeons are dungeons. You try your best and overcome the challenges. Some suck worse than others, but blizzard makes them all the same.

[@johnlinks]

4 of some of the worst dungeons for next season 😞

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya they really couldn't have picked 4 more that will have more question marks. Hopefully they will get the work they need otherwise its gonna be a mess.

[@Tamburokoy]

damn! 100$ game + 15$ sub all we got is RECYCLED CONTENT evry expanion...no thanks!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Please do stay away from it if that is all you think we get.

[@AlexB-ze2qx]

Didnt they say they cant add SoB to the pool because of cross faction

[@maxhill4370]

Well,it was m+ before so why can’t it be now

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I think that was said about the dungeon finder lfg ones. Nothing about mythic plus. But ya that needs to be tackled for sure.