OnePageRules Just FIXED Their BIGGEST Weakness

[@DiscourseMinis]

Check out the OnePageRules Patreon here: www.patreon.com/onepagerules This is my fifth video covering OPR, I'm a big fan of the value they offer but to clarify for those who don't know the company, the models included are STL files, though 2D paper minis are included in the monthly Patron as well!

[@akumaking1]

Hello. How often do y look react to emails and comments?

[@alexpeterson5809]

I like OPR. Any resemblance to 40k is no big deal because: Warhammer 40k-Rouge Trader launched in September 1987... After copy/pasting entire sections from these... Robocop(July 1987) Starwars(1977) Dune(1965) Starship Troopers(1959) The Foundation(1951) Enders Game(1985) Judge Dredd(1977) Aliens(1979) Lord of the Rings(1954) Terminator(1984) Startrek(1966) Rambo(1982) Preadator(1984) 1984(1949) Animal Farm(1945) The Forever War(1974) Call of Cthulu(1928) Then get mad if anything remotely resembles what they ripped off. They are the Disney of Great Britain

[@neilmartin7776]

I was once at an interview where they asked me, "what's your biggest weakness?" I said, "it's my inability to distinguish between fantasy and reality." They said, "I see. And what's your biggest strength?" I said, "I'm Batman."

[@Starexe97]

"Damn, that is both stupid AND smart at the same time. You start Monday."

[@alexdoran527]

I'm taking copies of Grimdark Future: Firefight along with some Warbands to my local games group tomorrow. Wish me and my Wolfy Bois/Spooky Botz luck with hopefully getting some more folk playing this!

[@TwistedUpbringing2338]

Hell Yeah!! Best of luck to you. :)

[@retrostoryteller]

Good luck!

[@williamw6046]

Wish you well in the war to come!

[@Bluecho4]

Luck!

[@chuckfarley2764]

I keep trying to get my friends to give it a try but I can't seem to get any takers, even my buddy that plays 40k. I just dont get the reluctance.

[@mrmaster9801]

Glad to know that OPR is giving people the way to afford a sizeable army for its battle level games. This way, new players won't have to pay as much as I had to for 40k, while using a rule set which is far easier and more balanced than 40k.

[@yagsipcc287]

And with their advanced rules you can make them more complex with any options or as many of them as you want to as well :-)

[@dungeonsanddobbers2683]

IMO, OnePageRules biggest weakness is that their brand identity is so closely linked with being the "lite" version of GW games, which is clearly a thing that's working for them _for now_ but I can't help but feel that it's only a matter of time before the GW legal team come for their pound of flesh.

[@DiscourseMinis]

I totally agree! I think that they're starting to take steps away now which I'm a big fan of :)

[@dungeonsanddobbers2683]

@@DiscourseMinis Yeah, I'd be really intrigued to so what they could do if they had their own IP, what with all the goodwill they've generated and their rules-lite approach to gaming.

[@theandf]

Yes, fully agreed. And not only they can come on the wrong side of GW's heavy-handed brand protection, they are also giving hobbyists the impression one must always play something designed directly or indirectly by GW. That's not the best in the long term :/

[@lochmoigh1]

You cannot trademark game mechanics.

[@TheGoatPC]

Games workshop I believed already came for their "pound of flesh". IIRC OPR had to change their name because of GW. Either way, Rules in themselves are not protected by copyright and OPR's designs are their own while their naming is generic enough to not cross any lines. OPR is fine.

[@Tericho]

My 3D Printer is being delivered next month and I have been eyeing those Saurians. OPR is getting me very excited for the potential of amazing minis and way more simple rules.

[@michaelramos4482]

The Saurians are how I got into OPR and war gaming in general!

[@monkeyfoo999]

So they still have the same weakness if you do not have a 3d printer?

[@biome3]

What do I do if I dont have anywhere in my house that I can put a 3d printer?

[@jeronimo486]

So, I mean: The "Battle Brothers" are pretty clearly the "Space Marines", the "Alien Hives" are pretty clearly the "Tyranids" and the "Robot Legions" are pretty clearly the "Necrons". But the "Space Marines" are pretty clearly just "He-Man" with clothes on, the "Tyranids" are pretty clearly the alien from the movie "Alien" and the "Necrons" are pretty clearly the soldiers from "Terminator". And those shows and movies are stolen from some novel, I suppose. I became a patron for Onepagerules last month and it was the best decision I made in a long time, at least in terms of wargaming as a hobby. I mean, dinosaurs with rocket launchers. Seriously, do I have to write more?!

[@maxxon99]

Well, yeah, but OPR army lists have one to one equivalent unit types with their GW counterparts. This is a good thing, IMHO. I can take my existing GW army and simply look up the OPR stats for it and play. I have a LOT of rule systems (well over 200)… and without this 1:1 equivalency converting armies is always a bit of a pain.

[@mtgmac1]

Yes, I actually never liked the lizardmen in fantasy, but boy howdy do they check some boxes when outfitted with cyberimplants and future tech.

[@theandf]

I don't think that's fair assessment. Yes, GW stole left and right -- er, "were inspired by" -- but it's one thing to drink from the same fountains as GW's designers, and another to take the laziest path of just copying GW directly. Battle Brothers are not powered armored space troopers, they are 40K space marines, plain and simple. And that's lazy and bad for the hobby.

[@jimmysmith2249]

@@theandf It is good for the hobby because it gives 40k players a way to use their old minis to get into a new system. OPR having new and different armies on offer gives those transient players a way to stay in the new system for a better price. Notice OPR don't sell any battle brothers models? They don't sell most of the armies based on 40k, and that is good; gw can't get at them easily, and it makes onboarding 40k players easy. Not lazy. They are stepping-stone armies to help onboard new players to the system.

[@theandf]

@@jimmysmith2249 color me unconvinced. Grimdark Future has a Not Space Marine in its cover -- that's as lazy as it gets! I don't think being in the business of giving GW players another home for their minis is good for the hobby. It reinforces the idea that gaming in the 41st millennium is where it's at. Better handled by truly minis agnostic games which don't have ties to GW's thematic universe: you can use your Age of Sigmar minis in Frostgrave, and Frostgrave doesn't feature a Stormcast or a Khorne Berzerker in its cover art.

[@Eversca]

I'm embarrassed at how long it took me to realise this is just one big infomercial

[@SetaDragon]

Pro-tip, get mesh mixer or blender and build the models on your computer from the parts you want to avoid all problems of physically building models. Little bit of a learning curve but you can easily kitbash stuff together without a problem. Or makes some really cool poses using the different parts. I am in the process of making everything super tiny so building them beforehand and then printing is basically a must.

[@DiscourseMinis]

I do this on the downlow!

[@luketfer]

Yeah I'm doing this at the moment, making custom backpack and mechanical arms + legs for an 'Undead' themed Imperial Guard using a basic skeleton STL and some free Servo Skull STLs as the starting point...it's slow going but I'm getting there, I know my stuff won't look anywhere NEAR as amazing as proper digital artists who sculpt minis (I have neither the experience in Blender or sculpting) but they'll be uniquely mine!

[@2993LP]

It also lets you mix and match other small models in to make your own fun kitbashes, like a Necron Overlord in a flying rocking chair with a sleeping cap and fuzzy bunny slippers, and a coffee mug.

[@danielmorgan5949]

With how fast One Page Rules is releasing sculpts for their armies, I wonder what will happen when they finish creating all the miniatures for every army that they have rules for. Will they just start inventing new army lists to create miniatures for? If that happens, Grimdark Future and Age of Fantasy might end up with litteraly hundreds of different army choices to choose from in the future.

[@TwistedUpbringing2338]

Honestly I hope they move into things like Necromunda and Blood Bowl. They are revamping their star ship game and making new models for that as well. I know they are developing a new game right now so models for that will show up at some point.

[@agent_dex8996]

I think that's the plan. They've already released a couple of unique factions for their systems like the eternal dynasty and saurian starhost.

[@Rakaziel]

They already did that - twice! First the Duchies of Vinci and then the Eternal Dynasty- Thrice if you count the Star Scales

[@agent_dex8996]

@@Rakaziel I can't believe I forgot the duchies. Coming from a person that's printed off 6000 points of them you'd think I'd remember lol.

[@yagsipcc287]

@@TwistedUpbringing2338 they are they have some rules for some games like them it's a work in progress of course but at least they listen to fan feedback.

[@brianhall4182]

Meh. They give away model STL's which means I still have to have a 3D printer which I just do not want to buy. I want to build and paint, not fiddle around with resin and all the minutiae of printing my own.

[@LathanM]

The rules let you use any minis you want so you don't have to print them yourself. Also I have see whole armies print sets for sale and people on their discord server that will print them for you.

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

Interviewer: "So, what would you say your biggest weakness is?" Me: "My inability to hide my disdain for people who ask me fucking stupid questions" Also me: "Why haven't I heard back about that interview?"

[@THX-to6gg]

As much as I like OPR rulesets. I think you need to make it clear that these incredible savings are really only available to 3d printer owners. If you look at the cost of buying ready printed models they’re only a shade cheaper than GW’s offerings. You can also buy GW stuff for reasonable prices off eBay. If you don’t mind playing with “legacy” models you can purchase bucket loads of firstborn Space Marines quite cheaply off eBay. Even the newest Mark IV’s work out at less than £2.38 per model. I bought a box to give me two warbands for OPR Firefight.

[@yagsipcc287]

You buy a 3d printer, resin and the pateron you get the rules and STLs it is still cheaper than getting GW models never ind the rulebooks as well.

[@euansmith3699]

@@yagsipcc287 Yeah, for me, I think it is the GW rule books that kill my enthusiasm. They are so expensive, and too frequently updated/superseded for me to take the plunge.

[@yagsipcc287]

@@euansmith3699 Yup I totally agree, hell OPR has some simple rules for solo play if you are someone like me who works nights for 50 hours a week is a God send just to have some fun.

[@yagsipcc287]

@@ONIMOT100 IMO they already are you can get a great one from 150-220 resin is dirt cheap and 1kg last ages enough to do an army at least including things like tanks. For me I have had my printer settings the same since day one zero layer lines (I printer smaller than most people do so it takes a little longer but makes the quality insane) Took me 5 or 6 hours on day one just testing one small test model at a time with each setting. Upfront cost is less than a 40K army and after that its only the price of resin and of models you buy, get for free or signed up for and each print of each model makes it cost less and less with each print. Hey each to their own anyway, they also have online stores you can buy their physical models from as well if you like any of them as well :-) or Hell just buy the full rules I think they are under 10 bucks for that.

[@mordenthex8554]

@@ONIMOT100 you can get the same printer I use for less than 200$ and a litter of the resin I use for about 36$ both on Amazon and print at 4k resolution. You can literally get a printer and 2 liters of resin for less than the horus heresy 2.0 box set and be able to print 10 times the content of that box set. The up front price excuse is not valid. If you can't be bothered to mess with it that's reasonable but don't blame it on price.

[@DatOtterZombie1978]

I love One Page Rules. Plus their loyalty rewards are bonkers amazing. Been one of their patreons for over a year now. I dont ever plan to drop them.

[@j.rinker4609]

Quetzalcoatl is challenging to pronounce. Quetzal rhymes with "pretzel", but starts with a Q sound. Coatl is Co-ott-ul.

[@Krix6426]

I just found out about OPR last night (11-29-2023). I love it. I'll be playing the Dark Future one. However, if they could get me a Battletech/Alpha Strike version I would be glued to them.

[@cinocefalo284]

Infomercial day! Yay!

[@dawnjackson5773]

Thank you One page Rules for make it were me and my wife can try out so many different armies and not cause us to be broke!!! Your models are so awesome!

[@OnceinaSixSide]

Subbed for August, can confirm - value is nuts.

[@theatheistbear3117]

9:16 > Says “Dungeons & Dragons.” > Shows GURPS instead. Not that I’m complaining. GURPS is much better than D&D IMHO.

[@davidwasilewski]

I suspect that (unfortunately) they’ll never hit the mainstream until they release a hardback, glossy rulebook full of colour photos of their painted armies and have a web site where you can buy all the miniatures physically (assuming they are Mantic prices, rather than GW prices). Good luck to them. The free rules concept is awesome.

[@josephskiles]

I would totally buy any books they put out, I'm a grognard and just have never liked reading on anything that wasn't a physical medium, and I'm far from alone in this

[@kodosdh]

being close to 40k is their biggest strength but also the biggest weakness because everytime 40k gets worse, popularity of OPR rises because you can easily switch over but as soon as GW comes up with a new Edition or a major update, people are going back to the original the problem with their miniatures is simply that you need to print them and if you don't want or have the time and space to print on your own it is still easier to use plastic from other manufacturers

[@NightfallTH]

Plus the lack of any kind of significant immersion in their universe. It is just about playing with toys. No lore/fluff/universe building

[@el33ment]

@@NightfallTH I find no issue in playing GW's crusade(ish) campaigns while using OPR rules for games themselves... Obviously, some of the OPR's factions do not have wh40k lore, but come on, OPR gives you a game system that is actually playable. I can play 3 games of grimdark future in the same time I would play on 40k game.

[@NightfallTH]

@@el33ment who cares about gaming? If you want to go for a game where your gaming pieces have 0 background and mean nothing to you, then play Monopoly. People need the lore, they need emotional attachment and this is something you cannot provide with one page. I have exactly the same, zero amounts of feelings toward those strange space jackals as to the monopoly shoe.

[@markwatson8714]

They're effectively parasitizing GW rather than competing with them. I'm not sure they'd be able to break out of that disgruntled GW fan niche though; the problem is, I can't see any reason you'd be interested in OPR if you weren't interested in 40K to begin with, and if you were interested in 40K odds are you'll be grabbed by GW long before you've even heard of OPR.

[@ogrimdoombringer]

"as soon as GW comes up with a new Edition or a major update, people are going back to the original". Some people might, but you're counting on GW with all their resources and experience in this area (you would think) changing their ways and coming up with a game that people enjoy. Their rules are *work*, not fun. They've had a long time to get it right. Not there yet or foreseeably.

[@forgefartherloki6585]

The Saurian Starhost literally bringing to life six year old mes dreams haha

[@danielwells1734]

Space Lizards for the win. Suck it GW!

[@daniellewis5533]

I've been trying to gauge my joining the Patreon, but I'm a massive procrastinator. You moved me from "I'm gonna do it" to "did it." Thanks Discourse!

[@LukeMartinVideo]

I just did the same. The value you get is amazing !

[@wraithship]

Their actual biggest weakness is they don't an option of selling and shipping 3d printed copies of their minis AFAIK Not everyone has the money or especially time and space to invest in a printer. Many Etsy companies sell printed minis so there's definitely a niche

[@wraithship]

Or as you point out, even for those with printers they may not be able to afford the largest printers needed for the biggest minis

[@thra-x1855]

as someone who's had yuri's revenge on every computer i've owned since 2002: i see you, and i appreciate you.

[@Robocop2134]

Not to mention that there is a sale at MyMiniFactory right now, so even if you are not a Patreon you can get so many files for an amazing discount right now.

[@bruenor316]

The big chonker/Legendary models that are coming out are bananas; my hobby group is branching out from GW, and these models are making that really easy

[@mtgmac1]

Long time patron of OPR, the demon army is sweet and I'll be printing out some change demons in a few months (need to get some backlog done).

[@jessehammil3897]

Been a Patreon of theirs for a long time. Best value out there. The war daemons are amazing.

[@TwistedUpbringing2338]

Agreed! Been with them since last October. Amazing value!

[@jessehammil3897]

@@TwistedUpbringing2338 I see you like mushroomhead. Hello fellow person of culture.

[@upsidedownunder6266]

once they finish their run of the saurian starhost they are going back to 2 faction releases per month

[@Trencher1375]

I dont have a printer so how are I am going to get my hands on these miniatures?

[@MM-ms8iz]

They sell and ship printed mini’s as well.

[@LukeMartinVideo]

I hope your proud of yourself. I'm a one page rules patreon now. What the hell just happened 🤣

[@goldenwoody78]

Oh my God I wanted you to do this for months now

[@chrisw7047]

tbh, I dislike how most of their stuff is clearly a GW ripoff. I wouldn't want to be "that guy" who has a ripoff version of something and then brag to my friends about how "it was cheaper". That said, I think OnePageRules will shine the most in areas that GW does not cover. I've always wanted 40K equivalents of Lizardmen/Seraphon and Skaven, and it looks like this company will deliver.

[@ratz30]

Have you seen the Jackals? I'm a big fan of those. They're loosely Kroot equivalents rules wise but feel pretty unique aestheticly and lore wise. I feel like OPR are trying to be more unique with recent releases

[@YeAuldGrump]

My warband for Grimdark Future Firefight and Stargrave are The Fleabitten Few - Jackals rock!

[@forrestwentworthii1321]

Thank you Discourse. The periodic table gag brought me great joy on a sucky morning.

[@RSOULIER75]

Still need a 3d printer :( and I am still a mom with young children so it is kinda impossible to make them cohabitated

[@scannerbarkly]

Lesssssssssss go. Saturday vids. I'll edit in a real comment later. lol Edit: Regarding OnePageRules, I'm such a big fan of what they do that I am a Tier 2 Patreon despite not actually having any 3D printers yet. I'll be diving into that part of the hobby by the end of the year so I'm just stacking up the files now. I love how easy it is and they are all just sitting on MyMiniFactory, waiting for me to download and print them. I also like the fact that OPR helps promote other companies too, it's very generous and how I would prefer the hobby space to be rather than engaging in weird and bitter back and forth over who gets to sell me the most expensive plastic pieces. I'm super excited to get into 3D printing as a complete noob and just cover the entire process on the channel. Going filament first so I can do a load of terrain, then I'll dive into resin shortly after for the miniatures themselves.

[@jordnz]

thanks for the video, coincidentally I was looking for a 3D mini patreon to back over the weekend, and this value is hard to beat. Love that you get 2 (now 3) themes a month too.

[@Starexe97]

The only weakness OPR (and most other STL producers right now) is only modularity, but then again, if push comes to be, you can just trim some parts and swap them around. I mean for the price, we get cooler War Demons that are MUCH cooler than the Daemons of Khorne. Truthfully, really hated Chaos Daemons until OPR made them. Now, they look so sweeetttt I cannot wait until we get the "Plague Demons" and "Lust Demons"

[@luketfer]

There is a solution to this which is digital kitbashing but it's a touch more complicated and less intuitive than standard kitbashing because you've got to teach yourself how to use Blender and Meshmixer (or Zbrush if you're really willing to spend some cash). Since you get the STL files, load the models you want up in your digital kitbashing studio of choice, cut parts and swap them around. Though, like I said, it is a bit of a slog, I'm learning blender just for mechanical parts (I do not hold out any hope of fully sculpting miniatures for a LONG time) because they're pretty easy to do.

[@Rakaziel]

Dark Gods on MMF is also worth a look - especially for "Plague Demons"

[@lucianoaguero6795]

Hopefully more designers start making modular parts, there are a few but I would like OPR to do it as well

[@poggestfrog]

I loved the Tzeentch range until I saw the OPR Epic Avatars of Change, hell, OPR even made good Slaanesh proxies

[@PartnersofMachino]

Watch you religiously and will continue to. Two quick things: 1) Unless I misheard and you announced this earlier than I remember, you waited until halfway through this video before sharing that this video is an infomercial. Yes, it lines up with your values and critique of GW (which I find insightful and grounding as I weave through the hobby), but nonetheless this is a lengthy advertisement as much as it is classic DC editorializing. 2) You keep saying they're "giving" or "giving away" so much. I know what you mean and likely much of your audience does. But I think it's worth clarifying that they're selling a subscription service to digital files that require additional costs to produce.

[@DiscourseMinis]

Hey Alex thanks, I like to draft the scripts to have the disclaimer in there naturally. I've covered OPR quite a bit on the channel now so I don't really dwell on the business model of the company much anymore because I've mentioned it a few times, but the video linked from this goes into great detail

[@dicariel]

They also give paper miniatures if you’re like me and don’t have a 3D printer and still want to wargame for cheap.

[@MrSkullhead1]

Paper miniatures (with front and back art, not just one-sided standees) are seriously underrated as a very accessible option. They can be quite visually appealing if done well. Plus they harken back to metal flats, which were the type figures used at the dawn of modern wargaming in the 1960s. Look up Donald Featherstone & Tony Bath. The former's "War Games" from 1962 is arguably where the modern miniature wargaming hobby began.

[@ArishatSil]

It makes me worried about their business model. What are they going to do once they release their takes on GW themes. Will they face a drop in subscriptions? Will they keep adding new armies infinitely? Will they start resculpting older models?

[@Nolsie]

If it was me, who works in the games industry doing business planning: 1. One page heroes, make books for the hero units for the factions of 40k & Star Wars legion for some small fee. Hire a writer to make your own lore for these copies to avoid legal difficulties. 2. Redo old armies with better details or alternate options (death corp of Krieg vs catachan type stuff) same rules, different aesthetics. 3. Turn your unique model line and rule system into a video game with matchmaking and a ladder, inject some competitiveness into the scene 4. Terrain kits, sell different settings and terrain types, create rule kits for fortifications and buildings 5. Campaign kits, use the rule system as an engine to tell some unique stories using your models and terrain that people can play through. tie these in with the previous 4 steps to create a healthy drive to buy everything you’ve ever made. 6. Make games out of these campaign kits.

[@unsearchable4060]

I wish OPR models were more modular, less monopose. they're impressive! but, difficult to put together in parts, and mix with other releases.

[@Rakaziel]

Meshmixer, or some rigging in Blender

[@williamings773]

Anvil Industries gives you modular parts to print and mix as you wish, and lots of their stuff has shells you can take off or swap around for easy digital kitbashing.

[@Rakaziel]

@@williamings773 Monstrous Encounters also has a very good selection

[@baldrage2912]

The Makers Cult has many modular kits for several factions: guards, hives, techno, marines, etc.

[@PinoyCarter]

Am I misunderstanding this? She keeps saying "miniatures" and "models" with context suggesting we're getting physical assets, but it seems like 3D printer files instead.

[@PartnersofMachino]

Right. DC is extremely thoughtful and entertaining but she was not as clear as usual that to "get" these miniatures, we must 1) Pay for the subscription 2) Invest in a (preferably high quality, reliable, and thus costly) 3d printer 3) Learn the skills to 3d print 4) Buy the supplies for 3d printing 5) Print the mini 6) Clean and construct the mini 7) Stain/dip/paint the mini if desired I think DC is right that the financial barrier to entry and ongoing buy in for Games Workshop is inevitably more expensive, but this infomercial does gloss over important details that would be useful to consumers.

[@deeamerson]

Yes they do sell physical models you can buy threw a 3rd party company called "Only-Games"

[@PinoyCarter]

@@deeamerson That's not "all for 10 bucks".

[@deeamerson]

@@PinoyCarter true, you only get 5-10% discount on physical minis. you didn't mention the $10 patreon in your original message, so I was just clarifying that there is in fact physical models available.

[@PinoyCarter]

@@deeamerson Fair enough mate. The whole advert revolved around that premise though. I have minimal interest in their models, especially on an a la carte basis, but would've jumped on the deal described (at least suggested) in the video.

[@hauntswargaming]

I just started doing Grimdark Future battle reports! 😃 Been a patron for almost a year now.

[@DiscourseMinis]

nice!

[@brokenheroics8223]

Great video and got the new minis. Been chatting about running demos at c9ns and stores in the near future. Also, the high energy in your vids is fantastic.

[@tapioperala3010]

"That's wild! BUCK WILD!" At this point I was lucky to have just swallowed my food. But yes. I shall be joining One Page Rules tier 2 Patreon in a matter of days (likely today). The sculpts are just insanely pretty. Absolutely brilliant.

[@eldergeeks7301]

I'm working on the paints for my Eternal Dynasty army

[@DalmarWolf]

I feel it's rather facetious to say you get models for 10 dollars when what you actually get is stls. Yes they are in a way models, but if I buy models from GW I don't have to print them myself or find someone else to do it for me. You get sculpts or files for 10 dollars, not models in the same sense that you do from GW.

[@matthewbiro9689]

I think it is great that OPR exists even as someone that actually enjoys 40k because the last thing I want is to see people that like 40k models but clearly do not enjoy the game. Personally I would rather recommend OPR rather than see people be frustrated with a game. That being said... I find myself watching this and asking if what OPR is offering is really better? I get the point of the channel is to be an advocate for consumers but what seems to be advocated is more consumption because it is cheaper. Does anyone seriously need that level of models? It seems to be consuming for the sake of it

[@YeAuldGrump]

Back when I started wargaming, minis were CHEAP - a bag of Prussians from Minifigs was $10 US. Printing our own - we can, and have, bribed people to start in the hobby by GIVING THEM THE MINIS. This is often followed by people getting their own printers.

[@zombiedad]

Good stuff discourse.I am a writing this to boost engagement and appease the KZbin gods I don’t want them to get mad

[@Dtrescott]

Definitely gonna start following them, I currently don't have a resin printer but it's in the future plans, it's good but also kinda sad that you can get an entry level resin printer, resin, and one of these army packs for roughly the same cost as a Horus Heresy box set (give or take $25 USD)

[@yagsipcc287]

I've been part of OPR pateron since before I got my printer 😅 got my printer last November in fact I think it's 11 or 12 months this month ha

[@andrewgirle3746]

"Insert a table please..." - well done!

[@TeaIngyer]

One Page Rules has a lot of similarities to Pathfinder. Many differences too, but I think they're both filling the role of "Game that's more reliable / stable, but less well known to your average person." Games Workshop has been knocking it into the park lately, bunting at best. Price increases, bad rules, a terrible subscription service, policies on fan content that killed Text To Speech, and making Combat Patrols no longer a good place to start armies / get into the game. I'm jumping over, because it's cheaper in the long run, they have a free+better list builder, and I don't feel like the company making it is going to turn around and slap me for no reason. Even if I have to buy the minis 3D printed from online storefronts, it's way cheaper, and I don't have to buy a pair of 70 dollar rulebooks, balance updates + mission decks, and an index every edition. Also I'm not dealing with scalpers and short printings.

[@christomsharpe]

Love the thumbnail, your shock levels were off the chart! Perhaps it was to catch the patreon miniatures though… So maybe I got the wrong end of the stick 🤣. I love your channel btw, all great stuff 👍👍

[@cythonnaiilo7956]

i love the video! only bad acpect: it takes ages to download all those stl files xD! keep it up discourse, all the best!

[@maxxon99]

Are you sure they didn’t pay you for this ad? Okay, they did. Should have said that up front. Comparing STL files to physical products is just not fair. If you’re printing yourself, you should figure in the cost of the printer, the resin, assorted tools and accessories but most importantly TIME spent printing. And if you’re thinking of buying prints… well, figure ten bucks per model from commercial printing services.

[@DiscourseMinis]

That's all covered in the video linked :)

[@maxxon99]

@@DiscourseMinis I'm a family man with full employment and heaven forbid, even other hobbies. Every second I spend cleaning, maintaining, troubleshooting etc. a 3-D printer is a second away from the hobby stuff I actually want to do. If you compare prices, you should compare with commercial printing services and there printing currently LOSES, big time for bulk troops, less for characters. Maybe that will change over time, who knows but right now the print services are IMHO overpriced. "No one should buy bread from the store, home baking is so much cheaper" -- only if you fail to calculate depreciation for your equipment and value your time at zero dollars per hour...

[@TableTopTransformer]

That's only fixing an issue if you have a resin printer

[@spuriusligustinus4509]

They have partnerships with businesses that 3d print for other people.

[@kelsosharp2170]

Yes, I do agree there is value, but you need to know how to 3D print their models or you need to pay more more than 10 dollars to have someone print the models. I actually think the biggest weakness is the lack of lore, if they spent time developing their own lore for their world, if the lore was good enough then they could go head to head with GW and not need to copy them.

[@MrSkullhead1]

Exactly. 3d printers (especially resin ones) are a steep barrier to entry for many. Also, a number of supposedly "miniature agnostic" games are anything but since they stick close to GW's faction lists. It's no wonder the notoriously litigious folks in Nottingham leave them alone, because they provide free advertising and drive sales. This adherence to 40k factions is another way in which GW dominates the hobby and actively contributes to it becoming a monoculture. Several times I've read game rules thinking, "I dig these indie rules. They sound fun!" and then slog through yet another set of generically-renamed 40k faction lists. I love the indie spirit of OPR and would like to see them get more creative with the factions.

[@YeAuldGrump]

They are planning to expand the lore, and even had a survey about it a few months ago. Mostly because they have started releasing armies and factions not covered by GW.

[@bethanythedford9226]

Hi discors, i love your videos, i just got finished making molds for the horses, ponies, nightmares and dwarves for part of my miniature army, now i just have to make molds for the elves, orcs, men, halflings, trolls and anthropomorphic horses, hope everything works out

[@MajorSvenGaming]

These boys are awesome... This year (or next) I need to pick up a resin 3d printer.... My Filament one is great for terrain and bolt action tanks but it's no good for figures....

[@Pers0n97]

You dont get thos minis each months, you get stl each month.

[@albundy5492]

Best thing about opr is I have a use for my 40k armies again

[@jirga_jirga]

one page rules are maybe a bit too simple to my taste but it's good that people start to see that there are alternatives for rules that they can use with their miniatures. I have persona high hopes for ospreys xenos rampant but it remains to be seen if those rules are what I'm looking for.

[@kosmosfantasias7545]

40k is simple but it's just the special rules on top of other special rules especially from codices that made it so unnecessary complex and bloated. After playing opr, I don't feel like coming back to 40k. Feeling like I had to study for an exam before playing.

[@klasclaywood2667]

Obviously you don't get any models at all from their Patreon. You get files

[@raeishimura]

Wait, so that wasn't just an error or something? I got my STL sets this month and was wondering why there were so many more this month

[@Willandheart]

I really hope for Dwarves army and Chivalrous Kingdoms army miniatures in the near future. That would be epic!

[@kensmith4937]

Hi Discourse! I know you don't play their games but you should really look at what Privateer Press is doing! It's a complete antithesis of what GW is, and their games are a whole lot of fun.

[@user-fr2qk9op8t]

They were the antiGW in like 2010 maybe. Now they're just as overpriced for what you get, ya know?

[@chriskoeder1229]

They are eliminating something like 90% of the range, they are worse than GW.

[@demon1103]

Yeah......bout that. They are now trying to sell 3D printed models for GW prices ( a STARTER set with 22 printed models for $200). If that's how they're doing a starter set, I don't even wanna know what they'll try and come up with for the rest of their range.

[@WompaStompaCyn]

For clarity's sake: OPR doesn't actually give you models. You get STLs. If you don't have a 3d printer or someone willing to print for you the things are useless.

[@mausolus8466]

3:25 I think Rebel Guerillas are meant to be alternative to Rebs faction in Mantic Games games, similiarly how Shadow Stalkers are reflection of Nightstalkers. Unfortunatelly, Mantic Games have no longer Rebs starting set of their skirmish games available, but if memory serves right, they had models that were directly used as inspiration for Rebel Guerillas - there were Ape-like aliens (Simans of OPR) and even brutish giant lizard like alien with some sort of sci-fi version of Indian katar blades (OPR mirror is their Chelonian with wrist-blades)

[@daeamiralis]

The saurian starhost are not only space lizardmen, but theyve got heavy turok 64 vibes. Excited to up my patreon tier and enjoy a fine resin cocktail as soon as I get my printing setup in the mail.

[@TheMightyDM]

Also, you can get 2d paper versions of the models for like $2 on wargame vault, for those who don't have a 3d printer or just want to try a new army.

[@23nacho23]

One page rules is fun. My friends and I played for a while. We found it was a lot less stressful, quick, and fun, although we did find some things we had to slightly change as they seemed too powerful. One page rules is free to download and you can use any appropriate models.

[@yagsipcc287]

If you want the advanced rules that really expand the game they are only like 5 bucks. You can add in as many as you want it really does add a ton to gameplay :-)

[@pteromalid]

Can you get figures from months before your patreonage?

[@lukehill9934]

Okay yeah subscribed to their Patreon now. Thanks for letting me know that they upped their game even more. I stopped a while back but yeah, they really are one of the best values for the price that is out there anywhere right now.

[@ucrucla2012]

Honestly, although I do appreciate and love everything GW, I love printing out OnePageRules sculpts. You have an MyMiniFactory discount for anything they've released, if you're a patreon subscriber. With less than you pay for one set of eradicators, you get 2 full army bundles with tons of customization options and supported STLs - and the option for things you want but aren't available through GW. You want space lizards? Space rats? More Khorne-y Khorne demons? It's all there. Amazing company and very dedicated staff.

[@House-Atreides]

“Grimdark Future is the PLAYABLE version of Warhammer 40k” ..perfect, perfect!

[@BlizzAz]

Joining OPR's patreon is the best tenner I've ever spent in the hobby. So looking forward to those ratties in December... one can never have too many!

[@williamw6046]

Love One Page Rules. Their games are great and fun to play. I’ve used them to introduce my kids to gaming.

[@noacier6666]

You're one of the best miniatures channel out there just know that

[@zouwu4487]

Been watching for a bit more but Subbed because Galaxy Quest reference lmao.

[@Olsnapper]

"I did alot of Acid at Uni". yep you just got yourself a new subscriber!🏆

[@del132]

I thought I was just going to subscribe to OPR for the Jackal army and then quit, and here I am a few months later and furiously printing off all of the other armies because they're just so god damn amazing and I can't resist the insane value. I've even (temporarily) lost the temptation to pick up the demons from Creature Caster.

[@spilbobaggins]

I'm a sub to OPR - love their minis. The Legendary ones each month are literally worth the price of admission. I do wish they'd try to do a few more "Non-GW" armies - but the ones they do are often more interesting than GW anyhow!

[@Putridzombiecorpse]

You got me to finally pull the trigger on starting my stl collection so I have a horde ready to spawn when I eventually get myself my first 3d printer.

[@argelfraster2]

So are these actual minis or just stl files

[@TwistedUpbringing2338]

STL files

[@gryffn8860]

Well for $10 a month you get the stk files but, iirc, you can buy these from OPR.

[@deeamerson]

STL files... but you get a discount on the actual physical minis sold threw 3rd party company.

[@garymcgregor5951]

Sooooo, where do I trade in my minis to get a Duchy?

[@neverokay8]

I love the 'firefight' version of the rules, because this way I can collect just a few handfuls of models rather than a huge army, and play even more affordable and quick games on the small surface that I have available. For context, I'm really poor and most of my money has to go to food and rent just to survive. But with the skirmish version of the One Page ruleset and scouring my local market pages for people selling really cheap & abused second-hand minis, actually getting games going with my friends has come within my practical and financial reach. Plus I'm having a lot of time repairing and repainting abused minis :)

[@retrostoryteller]

Just took the $10.00 a month subscription and got my 3D printer last week. Game on!

[@nameisbad]

Games workshop issue is it's really poorly balanced and not made with love but rather profit in mind, and in part that is the communities fault for carrying on to spend money when they clearly are abusive. But onepagerules has issues too, it's simplicity comes at a big cost, and those simple games are a dime a dozen it's nothing new, like I'm a massive fan of osprey stuff but even those aren't without faults, the only near perfect rulebook I've ever read is the newest edition (N4) of infinity, they really seem to have thought a lot about the value of models and the game feels great. But in your example, as fun as it is, the maids and servants want to be where the dukes & baroness's etc are, it's like saying "hey look you could save up and buy some nice port or you could drink piss because you want to save money" but it forgets the context of this whole premise which is that people already own GW miniatures so wtf is that about? If you own the miniatures and don't want to continue feeding into the ever turning wheel that GW keeps pooping out poorly balanced editions and clear power creep then just don't get on the wagon, you've already been on it and were having fun looking at the scenery so why not stop and enjoy the view? because nothing says you and your friends have to buy the new models or the new editions, just find what time you enjoyed the most and play it as if GW stopped developing the game further. You can go back to older editions for example if you have a favourite, or hell if you got the time you could even make your own homebrew edition where you change things collectively to suit your scene. At that stage you could all figure out your own rules for new units/model releases, it's a great excuse to roll some dice together and test things, bringing people together. Also what the hell is this "army for ten bucks" crap, most people don't have a printer, most people don't want a printer, most people who can't afford GW's way can't afford a 3d printer, there's so much logic missing here & I'm glad that most people don't own a printer, that shit is so eco unfriendly and wasteful. That's why I'm excited for the day siocast is standard, no wastage and no toxic materials. But hey I wanted to give benefit of the doubt as I was looking and just saw they sell physical ones too so let's see the price on that, it doesn't say the material so i'm going to assume resin, hard plastic is better there's no argument there but it's still alright if it's resin so long as it's good quality and doesn't crumble at minimal light exposure nor melts in extreme heats (a worry that honestly is getting more and more relevant these days with these damn heatwaves). (That's me being generous and thinking of the collective viewpoint, I personally dislike resin as it's been made clear before.) Prices seem similar, blows my mind that it actually looks like GW might be cheaper if we go by numbers of models. I'm glad you mentioned it's a sponsored video (tho aren't you now meant to place that at the start of the videos on youtube? or is that only for bigger content creators? maybe it's just a regional law) because this video really comes off as one. I love what you are doing putting the middle finger up to GW but this isn't the right way about it, it lacks integrity and honestly seems very overhyped.

[@DarcyBonoCreations]

I was like..."hmm this is something 🤔" then the Gator-borgs showed up and it was an instant win.

[@tomusannonymous]

I'm also looking forward to the lust demons release 👍idk how they can sculpt so many models per month i kinda feel bad like im not paying them enough lol

[@robertraine6045]

Cries in lack of 3d printer

[@ReesesPieces81]

OOhhh, I like the hex shields on the geckos.

[@NCordaro321]

Those Starhost minis are cool as hell. Literally the saddest time for my Saturn's motherboard to die on me.

[@SPQRKlio]

Had to keep backing up during the first half to hear the info on account of someone (me) kept laughing too loudly (the table slew me).