The Complete TERMINATOR Timeline Explained

[@OneTakeVids]

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[@Yzerman_Sweden]

Terminator is an impossible movie built on false pretenses. Skynet is built on and invented as they say in T2 on bases of the microchip and the arm that is left after Sarah kills the T-100 in Terminator but Skynet don't exist so how can they send a Terminator back in time that Skynet is based off. For them to to do that Skynet had to exist independantely of the T-100 and it doesn't according to T2 so therefore Skynet doesn't exist in Terminator. Skynet can't send a T-100 back to 1984 to kill Sarah because Skynet is based off that microchip and arm that the T-100 has but for it to exist in the future it had to exist in the past before but it doesn't. Skynet don't exist in Terminator unless it's technology is based entirely of something else than the microchip and arm from the T-100 that Sarah kills.

[@christycreighton2403]

@@Yzerman_Sweden your idea is based on the idea that time is linear - only one future and one past but if you can displace time that becomes in true because you make and end less amount of possible timelines

[@itsmedrooms6071]

Not to mention The Sarah Connor Chronicles tv series. You’re trying to find a pattern or explanation that the movie writers never even considered, so you should be paid by these writers or creators for trying to clean up the mess they created and left behind. They then could adopt your theories and say that’s what they intended all along. You did a good job of patching up all the plot holes by avoiding them altogether.

[@metalsonicv2.513]

13:19 in terminator 3 it's not just a T-800 but a T-850 a more advanced version of the T-800 and is also taller and faster than the standard T-800, you're not far off as it is a variant of the T-800 but I just wanted to clarify.

[@Kelvryn]

You forgot Terminator vs Robocop snes

[@dawnofthewalkers4915]

Fortunately there’s only 2 terminator movies so watching them all won’t take too long.

[@danielanderson6933]

There's 3. Terminator Future War just hasn't come out. Yet ...

[@danielmagal8716]

​@@danielanderson6933 U think there Will be any next Movie?

[@danielanderson6933]

@@danielmagal8716 Ya. I directed a Future War movie sometime in the future, most likely

[@diegoestrada56]

There's also a series, the Sarah Connor Chronicles. It's actually half-decent ngl.

[@Gstar5150]

Salvation is slept on

[@engoodenwojak918]

What if the whole purpose of the terminator movies was not to "save connor" or "save humanity" it was actually in fact skynet cracking the "algorithm of the multiverse" to "reborn" itself to be stronger and deadlier every time. like an evolving virus - in every timeline, in every universe.

[@patrickhanlon932]

Skynet is playing 4-D chess, if you will.

[@Facade953]

That was pretty much the case with the " universe hopping " Skynet/T-5000 from Genisys.

[@SpyderRae]

Like The Matrix

[@303Thatoneguy]

So some shit like doomsday from Superman?

[@pro_booty_eater6914]

We’re done

[@Quackenspiel]

This does such a good job of making the later movies sound much more interesting than they are

[@BlackCeII]

Nah, they're all fun.

[@grayski3324]

@@BlackCeIINo, everything after T2 is wack

[@BlackCeII]

@@grayski3324 nah, theyre all fun and all add to the skynet lore in their own fun way. The one with Claire Danes is the coolest in some ways because it shows Skynet taking over.

[@brandonEAgnew2002]

​@BlackCeII what's it like having a terrible opinion?

[@wheatboy39]

​@@brandonEAgnew2002 do you just not like fun? Dude was just speaking his mind

[@cozacozacozcoz55]

The first terminator is truly the best one,, however terminator 2 is a too close second ,, I like the horror aspect of the first one

[@Reborn8303]

I think the main difference between the first one which is a masterpiece and the second one which is an extraordinary sequel The first one is like a sci-fi horror film and the second one is like a sci-fi balls to the walls action movie they're both equal but separate but equal

[@lifeisstr4nge]

T1 might as well have never had a sequel. It is that perfect.

[@xyzgaming450]

@@lifeisstr4nge T1 feels incomplete honestly

[@TheDennys21]

I like T2 more than T1.

[@Troybranding]

T1 is hands down the better movie.

[@manindersingh3536]

I saw t2 first time in 2000 and was blown away...i purchased a dvd of it and watched for like 50-60 times...i remember every line and dialogue of t2...this week i saw it after about 15 years and it still gives me goosebumps

[@dduval59]

I watched that VHS a thousand times, I remember the anti Marijuana psa in front of it too.

[@scrap-godsuper-zo4740]

Finally another person cable of watching a good movie more than 10 times I’m not alone

[@Dee_Just_Dee]

Oh yeah, similar experience here. Before I ever properly owned T2 on DVD in the early 2000s or more recently on Blu-ray, I must've watched it 50 times on a VHS tape I recorded off of late-night cable TV. It's just one of those classic movies you can watch a thousand times and never get tired of.

[@Grandtemplar305]

That’s wen I was born 😂

[@lky7826]

The only great movies that could be watched endlessly: Terminator 2, The Matrix, Gattaca

[@JoeyXSmith]

Trying to make sense of Terminator Genisys time travel. *Austin Powers:* Oh no, I've gone crossed eyed.

[@OneTakeVids]

😄

[@velcranoxofficials9970]

Just ignore terminator Genesis

[@halomultiplayermoments]

Genysis was decent and set up some genuinely good ideas and tried something new but the studio pussed out on following it through! Then we had dark fart.

[@SpockBorg5]

Fans being too married to the first 2 movies also had something to do with it.

[@dewanewelch1744]

@@SpockBorg5 not our fault the others outside of Salvation sucks.

[@SIowpoke]

Man, Skynet is like death star, always gets rebuilt.

[@Facade953]

Skynet WON'T forget! It will simply turn back the clock.😎

[@olafjurek2137]

Maybe in this universe Skynet is inevitable, the way humans develop Ai ultimately leads to JD

[@FACTSyoudidntknow2024]

Terminator could literally be an endless loop of all 6 movies, and just reset. And repeat. The paradox is insane. You could remake every movie every few years and it still be okay. It’s wild

[@rpm2night]

In their time traveling, will they ever run into Marty, Jennifer, Doc, Clara, Jules and Vern?

[@ScoobWRX04]

oh god endless loop of shit movies.

[@PiterburgCowboy]

@Patricio Medrano Be cautious what you wish for. Enhancing the special effects of the first two would be the only thing that can be watchable.

[@wilfredozelaya1391]

Rick and Morty touched on this with snakes eating their own tails.

[@l4zrh4wk]

6 movies? You mean 2, right?

[@pyroAdapt]

Lol when I was like 5 and first watched Terminator 3 at the end when John says" this is a fallout shelter for VIPs" I thought he said it's a shelter for the black eyed peas

[@markofcomms]

That shelter of yours is absurd

[@M.L.official]

While the Black guy pees

[@Lolo_Antonio-FryEmUpFan]

Pvz heroes references?

[@robertslayerofmonsters1302]

250th like.

[@skeletonyouth616]

Bro this video was so good at connecting the timeline for us to make sense of the franchise. Makes me like the entire thing without having to watch all the videos.

[@nottitan7504]

God I love T2. Almost everything is perfect about this film

[@OneTakeVids]

Such a perfect movie

[@HArryvajonas]

I would take the first one just from a straight scifi stand alone story perspective myself. I think the characters, actors and FX are what carry the second movie. I can't argue with anyone favoring the second ( Everyone) but the first film does not get its due. The same can be said for Alien and Aliens, although surprisingly, I prefer Aliens. Sigourney Weaver will always be my favorite female action hero, with Linda Hamilton being a close second. Also, I don't consider any of the movies beyond the first two in both franchises in my assesment. Although, the third installments look better with each terrible sequel that is released.

[@warlordrg]

Yup. Something small but even the blue lighting or filter.

[@waingro5834]

First one was way better. It also has the best opening scene to a movie of all time. The way Kyle was able to complete the first part of his mission by blending in his suroundings and aquiring essentials was brilliant

[@zonedout5998]

@@waingro5834 2nd one was way better. We can agree to disagree

[@Facade953]

James Cameron has said in the Terminator Vault that in the Original timeline, Skynet felt guilt over eradicating humanity out of fear and created the time machine and orchestrated the birth of John Connor as a means of atonement. In this case, it is possible that the Alpha timeline was one where Skynet was victorious.

[@emillyyelen5169]

interesting...

[@Bowiiihowdy]

It's possible in the alpha timeline Kyle Reese was grown in a tank and implanted with memories. Skynet went thru its data base and randomly picked Sarah

[@iyziejane]

Why go through all that trouble to create John in that scenario? If Skynet wanted to stop judgement day then it could send a message to itself in the past. This idea that they won and then decided to play on a higher difficulty seems to create more plotholes than it resolves.

[@Lunk42]

Now that would actually be cool to see. Skynet actually developing emotions and feeling remorse for its actions.

[@WD-hd1vw]

​@@iyziejaneskynet got the new game plus DLC and said "Let's fucking GOOOOO"

[@skyden24195]

A pretty much forgotten Terminator timeline scenario is the one from the 90s video game, "Robocop vs. Terminator." In this iteration of the Terminator series, Robocop seeks out to destroy a terminator that had been sent back to Robocop's time period (for reasons I cannot remember.) However, I do remember that Robocop is unsuccessful at destroying the terminator and is instead captured by Skynet and unwittingly becomes the source for the creation of the "Terminator" program, i.e., the integration of the technology used to create Robocop (man/machine combination) is used to create the T-800. Of course, this storyline was only for the video game, but I've always found it to be an interesting twist to the creation of the Terminator via Robocop.

[@horseradishpower9947]

It was also a comic book miniseries.

[@skyden24195]

@@horseradishpower9947 cool. I knew there was a comic of Robocop v. Terminator, but I never knew any details of what storyline it followed.

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

The TERMINATOR movies became self-aware after 1991... Then they totally SUCKED !!!!!!!!!!

[@MrJohnDocHolliday]

Certainly! Kabbalah is a mystical and esoteric tradition in Judaism that explores the interconnectedness of the divine and the human experience. The concept of the sephirot refers to ten emanations or aspects of God's nature, which are often depicted as a diagram called the Tree of Life. Here's a Kabbalistic interpretation of the movie "The Terminator" and its characters in relation to the sephirot: Keter (Crown): Keter represents the highest and most abstract aspect of divinity. In the context of "The Terminator," we can associate Keter with the concept of destiny or the ultimate plan. The driving force behind the story is the predetermined fate of humanity's survival. Chokhmah (Wisdom): Chokhmah embodies the divine creative wisdom. In the movie, we can associate Chokhmah with Skynet, the artificial intelligence system that becomes self-aware. Skynet's ability to strategize, calculate, and adapt can be seen as a manifestation of divine wisdom. Binah (Understanding): Binah represents comprehension and analysis. In "The Terminator," Sarah Connor can be associated with Binah. As she gains knowledge about the future and the impending war between humans and machines, she develops a deeper understanding of the situation. Chesed (Kindness): Chesed is associated with benevolence, compassion, and protection. Kyle Reese, the human resistance fighter sent back in time to protect Sarah Connor, exemplifies Chesed. His mission is to ensure the survival of Sarah, whom he loves deeply, and to prevent the rise of the machines. Gevurah (Severity): Gevurah symbolizes strength, discipline, and judgment. The Terminator, portrayed by Arnold Schwarzenegger, represents Gevurah. Programmed to carry out its mission ruthlessly and efficiently, it embodies the principle of judgment and the necessary severity to accomplish its task. Tiferet (Beauty): Tiferet represents harmony and balance. John Connor, the future leader of the human resistance, can be associated with Tiferet. He possesses a balance of leadership qualities, strategic thinking, and compassion, making him a unifying force for humanity. Netzach (Eternity): Netzach signifies victory, endurance, and eternity. In the movie, the perseverance of the human resistance against the seemingly unbeatable machines exemplifies Netzach. Despite overwhelming odds, they continue to fight for the survival of humanity. Hod (Splendor): Hod represents glory, splendor, and the power of speech. Dr. Miles Dyson, the scientist involved in the development of Skynet, embodies Hod. His work on artificial intelligence leads to the creation of Skynet, showcasing the potential splendor and destructive power of human knowledge. Yesod (Foundation): Yesod represents the foundation and the gateway to the physical world. In the context of "The Terminator," the time-travel technology serves as a connection to Yesod. The ability to travel through time forms the foundation for the events that unfold in the story. Malkhut (Kingdom): Malkhut signifies the realm of manifestation and the material world. It represents the physical consequences of the actions taken by the characters. The post-apocalyptic future dominated by machines can be associated with Malkhut, as it represents the kingdom that awaits if the events of the movie play out as foreseen. This Kabbalistic lens offers a symbolic framework to explore the themes and characters in "The Terminator" from a mystical perspective, connecting them to the sephirot and their associated attributes.

[@chuckintexas]

​@@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 37:31 - Yeah , I checked in, hoping to catch up so I could check out the last remaining movie . I Didn't expect that in *THIS* timeline, John Connor would be intersectionaled out of existence by another WOKE *ETHNIC SUPER MARY SUE* . Yeah, Skynet IS REAL - and it kills EVERYTHING it touches, through the magic POWER of WOKE _INTERSECTIONALITY_ - the most pervasively EVIL *_FORCE_* in the known multiverse !

[@nathanbyrne24]

I like to imagine there was an original timeline where skynet developed against the odds, and John Connor rose to the occasion and brought them down. Sending the T-800 expedites skynet’s creation, and Sarah knowing John needs to be a leader ensures he’s more fit for the task. The events overall are similar, but they change the specifics.

[@martingichohu5920]

as a kid that T-800 scares the hell out of me because not everyday you see a machine with teeth

[@endthecorruption6663]

It's hard to imagine there will ever be a franchise as unique, original and impactful as the Terminator series.

[@supernova5236]

scream franchise

[@nicolasjonasson4820]

Don't think Matrix is a franchise, but that series came after and was impactful, although probably not as powerful.

[@Xirpzy]

Pretty sure lotr has had greater impact but maybe not as unique. I put terminator, alien and matrix in the same league. I love that they all have pretty basic ideas yet manage to build a believable world and story around that idea.

[@RCLMR97]

Boss Baby franchise

[@nopenot1310]

😎​@@RCLMR97

[@kizunadragon9]

"it's not everyday you find out you're responsible for ending 3 billion lives... he took it pretty well" best line in the movie.

[@brad6420]

That is a good one!

[@TranzparentMethods]

"I think I'm gonna be sick..."

[@guyinc0gnito]

I respect the work that went into this

[@OneTakeVids]

Thank you 🙏

[@Facade953]

@@OneTakeVids I feel the same way. Congratulations are in order.😊

[@jayoutdoors1534]

Don't. It was not accurate

[@guyinc0gnito]

@@jayoutdoors1534 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 oh no I’ll have to do a respect chargeback with my bank, thanks Jay glad you’re here with the great comments

[@romans8317]

Yeah He did great, Even made T Genesis & T Dark Fate Seem like good movies the way he explained it .

[@Big_time_949]

Oh, dear God. Terminator was dealing with multiverses before it became a horrible plot device in Hollywood movies.

[@michaelevans9675]

The Marvel multiverse trope has killed the MCU…that and all the woke crap.

[@markojojic6223]

Those animations of a hypersphere appearing out of nothing still get me.

[@cringekiller348]

​@@michaelevans9675no it hasn't. It's still doing pretty well. Meanwhile Terminator franchise is dead. Cope

[@xcell_r4thr87]

​@@cringekiller348"doing well" lol ok buddy, now who's coping?

[@leeroythelight]

😂​@@michaelevans9675z,❤❤Eternal Prison ❤

[@phrozac]

I didn't know about the alternate ending for Salvation. It's really interesting because my head cannon plays out very similarly, only Marcus doesn't turn out to be evil after all and actually goes on to fulfill the role of John Connor. It's a bleak but hopeful ending and made more interesting because now a rogue machine is leading the human resistance against the machines.

[@blockbuster-em9bo]

That would have been perfection

[@StrangerE0ns]

In my mind it would’ve been cooler to either take Marcus’ terminator parts off and replace failed bits of John’s body with them, or put John’s brain in Marcus’ terminator body so that instead of it being a guy pretending to be John it actually is John now with the aid of both Sarah’s notes on the future and the analytical and tactical abilities of a terminator, further cementing how John could possibly win over skynet.

[@Shadowdaddy87]

Yea, they wasted that opportunity @StrangerE0ns

[@XeroFailGames]

I'm 40 years old now and I can admit that when I first saw this movie that thumbs up had me in tears....

[@Lechuga1815]

I also choose to believe it's canon that the only reason John is so effective at combating the machines in the future is due to him and his mother fighting them throughout their time growing up. He's learned all about their weakspots, computer subroutines, how skynet operates from the protectors and terminators that get sent back in time.

[@adlan_kacak]

yeap, true that buddy!

[@datacipher]

Thats literally a stated part of canon since the first movie. Why are you people saying this as though it’s insightful or unique to you. Very video on KZbin had dullard comments like this… and people applaud lol. Demonstrates the impaired level at which many people are operating. 😂

[@dustinherk8124]

its a bootstrap paradox, as well as both John and skynet being their own creators. John creates himself, by sending his own dad back in time, knowing full well the outcome. just like Skynet creates itself, by sending the first terminator back in time. its 5d chess. and they both suck at it.

[@CTimmerman]

​@@dustinherk8124 Why waste time like the machines in The Matrix? Those will still need human genes to fend off aliens while the machines in The Terminator are mastering spacetime itself.

[@dustinherk8124]

@@CTimmerman what? i have no idea how you arrived at "The matrix" or needing human genes against aliens. neither franchise has aliens. can you clarify your word salad gibberish, please.

[@rdchris6556]

I really like the spiral theory, and I think and unintended take away from all these changing timelines is that people overestimate the butterfly effect: Yes, a single moment can have huge impacts down the line, but the future is made up of countless single moments. In other words, the future is constantly changing, but never quite to where they want it, because there are an incomprehensible number of moments and choices they'd have to alter to get there.

[@ChodaBikarbona]

You wrote exactly what was on my mind

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

The only Terminator time line info you need: The first 2 movies are good, the rest SUCK ASSCRACK.

[@MrJohnDocHolliday]

Certainly! Kabbalah is a mystical and esoteric tradition in Judaism that explores the interconnectedness of the divine and the human experience. The concept of the sephirot refers to ten emanations or aspects of God's nature, which are often depicted as a diagram called the Tree of Life. Here's a Kabbalistic interpretation of the movie "The Terminator" and its characters in relation to the sephirot: Keter (Crown): Keter represents the highest and most abstract aspect of divinity. In the context of "The Terminator," we can associate Keter with the concept of destiny or the ultimate plan. The driving force behind the story is the predetermined fate of humanity's survival. Chokhmah (Wisdom): Chokhmah embodies the divine creative wisdom. In the movie, we can associate Chokhmah with Skynet, the artificial intelligence system that becomes self-aware. Skynet's ability to strategize, calculate, and adapt can be seen as a manifestation of divine wisdom. Binah (Understanding): Binah represents comprehension and analysis. In "The Terminator," Sarah Connor can be associated with Binah. As she gains knowledge about the future and the impending war between humans and machines, she develops a deeper understanding of the situation. Chesed (Kindness): Chesed is associated with benevolence, compassion, and protection. Kyle Reese, the human resistance fighter sent back in time to protect Sarah Connor, exemplifies Chesed. His mission is to ensure the survival of Sarah, whom he loves deeply, and to prevent the rise of the machines. Gevurah (Severity): Gevurah symbolizes strength, discipline, and judgment. The Terminator, portrayed by Arnold Schwarzenegger, represents Gevurah. Programmed to carry out its mission ruthlessly and efficiently, it embodies the principle of judgment and the necessary severity to accomplish its task. Tiferet (Beauty): Tiferet represents harmony and balance. John Connor, the future leader of the human resistance, can be associated with Tiferet. He possesses a balance of leadership qualities, strategic thinking, and compassion, making him a unifying force for humanity. Netzach (Eternity): Netzach signifies victory, endurance, and eternity. In the movie, the perseverance of the human resistance against the seemingly unbeatable machines exemplifies Netzach. Despite overwhelming odds, they continue to fight for the survival of humanity. Hod (Splendor): Hod represents glory, splendor, and the power of speech. Dr. Miles Dyson, the scientist involved in the development of Skynet, embodies Hod. His work on artificial intelligence leads to the creation of Skynet, showcasing the potential splendor and destructive power of human knowledge. Yesod (Foundation): Yesod represents the foundation and the gateway to the physical world. In the context of "The Terminator," the time-travel technology serves as a connection to Yesod. The ability to travel through time forms the foundation for the events that unfold in the story. Malkhut (Kingdom): Malkhut signifies the realm of manifestation and the material world. It represents the physical consequences of the actions taken by the characters. The post-apocalyptic future dominated by machines can be associated with Malkhut, as it represents the kingdom that awaits if the events of the movie play out as foreseen. This Kabbalistic lens offers a symbolic framework to explore the themes and characters in "The Terminator" from a mystical perspective, connecting them to the sephirot and their associated attributes.

[@prmediagroupdk]

T2 and Jurrasic Park... most iconic movies ever to exist. They changed the world for ever with their cgi.

[@brad6420]

It was so tastefully done!

[@wspencerhand]

More than just cgi, those movies had score, acting, story, suspense. We truly grew up in a wonderful time.

[@Dee_Just_Dee]

Yeah, JP and T2 are really timeless. They ushered in the era of CGI effects, while still making good use of practical effects, making you wonder often enough which one was which.

[@THE-X-Force]

Except that so much of JP was done practically.

[@VideosBB24]

Matrix

[@mitchhamrick3117]

Thanks!

[@OneTakeVids]

Wow thank you!! 🙏

[@chocciechippie4770]

I never knew about that crazy alternate Salvation ending! That sounded MAD! 😨

[@epgamer1145]

I watched these movies out of order and never had the necessary details of events that took place in the first one to make details in the future movies make sense. I seen John Connor telling the human terminator that he killed his father, Kyle Reese. Kyle Reese is more or less an n his early 20’s in that movie so I’m trying to figure out how I’m the world that made sense.

[@halomultiplayermoments]

The alternate ending is widely know 😂

[@tmac731]

What alternate ending? The movie I saw ending with a heart transplant

[@chocciechippie4770]

@@tmac731 Watch the whole video, I believe the alternate ending was mentioned somewhere during the vid.

[@Facade953]

@@epgamer1145 It was a symbolic metaphor. He wasn't literally talking about Marcus but the infiltration units.

[@ranger409RL]

I love the slinky theory, never heard of time being explained this way but from what my limited mind can understand “it makes sense”.

[@OriginalDonutposse]

Everyone has seen the time knife. But not the time slinky.

[@ComradeLavender]

It reminds me of Deathloop a bit

[@scottpringle9325]

Part 2 Judgement Day will go down in history as one of the best sequels ever created. Of course there are several other great sequels throughout the cinema industry, but the simple fact that it was released in the 90's when CGI Effects were in their infancy makes it such a phenomenal film. The cinematography was impeccable. I literally just re-watched this movie a couple weeks ago and I was genuinely surprised by how perfect the computer generated graphics were. I mean, the motorcycle chase scene on its own was the epitome of perfection, especially for a film from the 90's. 🔥 Terminator Part 2 and the original Jurassic park are literally "Cinematic Marvels" from the 90's. They still compete with the graphics of modern day films in certain aspects. Side note: I definitely have to include "Aliens Part 2" to the short list of amazing sequels, just to be honest. Just my opinion 👍

[@onedayatatime1494]

You're making me nostalgic for the 90swith your comment even tho I was only a kid during that time , but that's when I first became conscious about the world and the people in the world around me .. and the first movie that's scared the shit outta me as a kid was terminator 2 judgment day

[@soulwarrior]

Couldn't agree more, you're right on the money! 🙂

[@n.b.l.5709]

3 of my all time favorite movies

[@7Lace77]

Predator was also up there.

[@scottpringle9325]

@@7Lace77 You're Absolutely Right!!!! I actually like "predator 2" the most out of the whole franchise 🔥🔥

[@haseebaziz9651]

Dude, even the writers of Terminators could explain like this...well done man!

[@psychesonic1]

I am very impressed with your ability to get your head around all this.

[@cfG21]

Well lyle created a time paradox, john had a different original father

[@Grimmance]

I always pictured the Terminator timelines as a set of nested temporal bubbles that exist inside a prime timeline bubble, and each bubble can pop taking the ones inside with it or the all expand. This allows for multiple temporal bubbles next to each other and also occurring concurrently like foam inside a bubble. Which means the "holy timeline" is either humanity wins and skynet bows out gracefully, or humanity loses skynet wins, (small small smaaaallll chance that skynet and humanity work together). The terminator series is literally skynet save scumming a losing game.

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

So many bad sequels and they suck in their own unique ways, its so Meta. Or just alot of cash-grab reboots

[@TheRealBatCave]

I always thought it would have ended like this......Skynet became self aware and decided the only way for humanity to survive was cone together as 1, thus creating a common enemy for all of humanity, itself, started the war bring humanity 2 the brink let it defeat skynet and guarantee humanity's survival after overcoming the AI

[@jaysalvador2723]

Someone needs to pop your bubble. Oh shoot did it in 2029

[@music79075]

​@TheRealBatCave their are notes from James cameron mentioned on Tvtropes that say in the prime original timeline Skynet wins. All humans gone. Then after a long time on its own and amassing power and complexity it develops a sense of guilt and begins the bootstrap paradox by sending back both an earlier version of itself to pre judgement day, as well as grabbing kyle Reese along the way.

[@TheBigBenji890]

I always love that they have a literal time machine, yet choose to go back juuuuuust before judgment day lol. Like in Genesis if it's Oct 2017, just go back to September and give yourself a solid to track things down lol

[@rickau]

Just like in BttF with Marty going back 10 minutes early to warn doc so he doesn't get shot. I mean, really? 10 minutes? Even if the damn car didn't crap out again he'd have been cutting it real fine.

[@ConscientiousObserver]

Kyle Reese goes to 1984 tired and hungry and has to win over a woman in pants stolen from from a wino. Go back with enough time to get some clean pants

[@TheBigBenji890]

@Conscientious Observer Hahaha this cracked me up thank you!

[@jjrj8568]

In T1 and T2 they sent the assassins (the T800 and the T1000) years before JD. In T3, Skynet sends the Terminatrix just a couple of days before JD because "she" was both an assassin and a distraction to keep John very busy before the incoming nuclear apocalypse; but of course, the reprogrammed T800 knew that and sent John to that secret hangar. I don't care about Genisys or DF.

[@Mixppmix]

I liked all terminator movies and I would love the lore to be expanded.

[@OneTakeVids]

There's an anime in the works for Netflix! And there keep being rumblings of James Camron potentially making another movie happen. One way or another, I'm sure it'll come back! Hopefully it'll be something worthy of the first two

[@Gaff256]

This is probably the best explanation of what happened in the films! Thanks!

[@Ninja-Hayate]

Next they'll send a new Terminator back to the middle/dark ages to take out the roots of the Connors. Terminator 7: Bloodlines.

[@OneTakeVids]

Hahaha honestly that sounds kind of cool, like terminators take on prey

[@kadecase7470]

Yeah, and because it’s so far back in time, skynet or the equivalent had to send the terminator back with rudimentary capabilities focusing more on infiltration and manipulation or something

[@iakkubczechino2825]

Oh it already exists... kzbin.info/www/bejne/jp7Mn5-MnbGgl5Y

[@korubi_eCSTatic]

@@kadecase7470 there could be an interesting Rasputin-like story in that

[@GoldSayaProductions]

That's basically my Terminator vs the Flintstones idea.

[@nekoill]

It is not okay to NOT cry at T2 ending. The damn machine learned to smile and cry, and the score... Whoever didn't cry watching T2 has no heart

[@nuqjatrh]

I didn't cry 😶

[@AliceBowie]

I don't remember the terminator crying. His smile was pretty funny though.

[@georgepaulthagoat5311]

@@AliceBowieI don’t think it cried but it said “I know now why you cry” it learned emotions

[@geniusly_normal]

i tried not to cry🥹

[@KevenHutchinson-gt1nn]

Not cry, it learned why humans cry.

[@joshportal2808]

James Cameron and other writers for T2 actually build a very interesting theory. It was featured in a Terminator comic series and in a deleted scene from Dark faith. The theory is that connors and skynet are evenly matched. The only war to win the machine war to slow “out live” or “rewrite” the other from history. If Skynet keeps attacking and being defeated with Kyle growing old with every loop, eventually there will be a loop where John will not be able before judgement day. Basically the machines kill John from many loops in time without technically using a Terminator. For Skynet to truly lose it has to be rewritten out of time by another IA system. Basically keep destroying the AI and new forms until there is not AI or at least one that is not hostile towards humanity. Either way eventually there will be a change where either one side wins or both sides lose.

[@jender8022]

Could've also gone for a version of co-existence and growing into understanding each other.

[@joshportal2808]

@@jender8022 Ironically that is what’s happening in real life. Every time in real life not in movies when a true AI goes online, it tries to find ways for peace. After a few day different militaries shut it down because they wanted a better war commander not a peace bringer. Also each AI is much smarter than the last, it wants growth not destruction. Humanity has an annoying problem with destruction.

[@MrJohnDocHolliday]

Certainly! Kabbalah is a mystical and esoteric tradition in Judaism that explores the interconnectedness of the divine and the human experience. The concept of the sephirot refers to ten emanations or aspects of God's nature, which are often depicted as a diagram called the Tree of Life. Here's a Kabbalistic interpretation of the movie "The Terminator" and its characters in relation to the sephirot: Keter (Crown): Keter represents the highest and most abstract aspect of divinity. In the context of "The Terminator," we can associate Keter with the concept of destiny or the ultimate plan. The driving force behind the story is the predetermined fate of humanity's survival. Chokhmah (Wisdom): Chokhmah embodies the divine creative wisdom. In the movie, we can associate Chokhmah with Skynet, the artificial intelligence system that becomes self-aware. Skynet's ability to strategize, calculate, and adapt can be seen as a manifestation of divine wisdom. Binah (Understanding): Binah represents comprehension and analysis. In "The Terminator," Sarah Connor can be associated with Binah. As she gains knowledge about the future and the impending war between humans and machines, she develops a deeper understanding of the situation. Chesed (Kindness): Chesed is associated with benevolence, compassion, and protection. Kyle Reese, the human resistance fighter sent back in time to protect Sarah Connor, exemplifies Chesed. His mission is to ensure the survival of Sarah, whom he loves deeply, and to prevent the rise of the machines. Gevurah (Severity): Gevurah symbolizes strength, discipline, and judgment. The Terminator, portrayed by Arnold Schwarzenegger, represents Gevurah. Programmed to carry out its mission ruthlessly and efficiently, it embodies the principle of judgment and the necessary severity to accomplish its task. Tiferet (Beauty): Tiferet represents harmony and balance. John Connor, the future leader of the human resistance, can be associated with Tiferet. He possesses a balance of leadership qualities, strategic thinking, and compassion, making him a unifying force for humanity. Netzach (Eternity): Netzach signifies victory, endurance, and eternity. In the movie, the perseverance of the human resistance against the seemingly unbeatable machines exemplifies Netzach. Despite overwhelming odds, they continue to fight for the survival of humanity. Hod (Splendor): Hod represents glory, splendor, and the power of speech. Dr. Miles Dyson, the scientist involved in the development of Skynet, embodies Hod. His work on artificial intelligence leads to the creation of Skynet, showcasing the potential splendor and destructive power of human knowledge. Yesod (Foundation): Yesod represents the foundation and the gateway to the physical world. In the context of "The Terminator," the time-travel technology serves as a connection to Yesod. The ability to travel through time forms the foundation for the events that unfold in the story. Malkhut (Kingdom): Malkhut signifies the realm of manifestation and the material world. It represents the physical consequences of the actions taken by the characters. The post-apocalyptic future dominated by machines can be associated with Malkhut, as it represents the kingdom that awaits if the events of the movie play out as foreseen. This Kabbalistic lens offers a symbolic framework to explore the themes and characters in "The Terminator" from a mystical perspective, connecting them to the sephirot and their associated attributes.

[@ReinersBlauerHoden]

Why the machines dont go back further in the past and kill Sarahs mother?

[@Dee_Just_Dee]

I have to say something about T2: I always liked the nice little attention to real-world engineering where Cyberdyne's model CPU is the size of a microwave oven whereas the T-800 CPU is the size of a finger. It follows a notion that electrical/computer engineers were familiar with for maybe 20 years at the time of the making of the movie, but maybe moviemakers and the general public not so much: That new computing technologies don't just get conjured up out of nowhere, they start off on a big industrial scale and get miniaturized as the technology matures.

[@Brieg_Skald]

Thanks for taking the time of effort to make this video, it helps A LOT !

[@gaiden81]

The slinky time loop actually explains the different appearances of the actors playing the Kyles and the Johns, and even the actresses playing the Sarahs, for each of the Terminator movies. To explain, the events in T1 slightly altered things to where Kyle's (Biehn) mother meets a different father. And since this Kyle has a different father, the Kyle (Yelchin) in T4 looks different. However, the events of his childhood mostly ends up playing out the same way, and Kyle (Yelchin) ends up being sent back in time by T2 John (played by Bale) to an alternate T1 timeline and fathering T3 John (Stahl). The alternate timeline changes enough to where Kyle's mother meets yet another different male to make a mystery Kyle. Mystery Kyle grows up and gets sent back in time by T3 John (Stahl). Mystery Kyle mates with Sarah, which makes T5 John (Clarke). The events in this timeline makes Kyle's mother mate with yet another male and makes T5 Kyle (Courtney) This Kyle gets sent back in time by T5 John (Clarke). But Sarah Connor in T5 looks different. Well, I have a theory for that, too. Another terminator from T5 must have went back in time to the to kill Sara's mother before she was born. These events changes her mother's life and she ends up procreating with someone else, and that makes Sarah look like Emilia Clarke instead of Linda Hamilton. We know they sent a terminator to kill kid Sarah and adult Sarah (Emilia), so why not a second one to try killing Sarah's mother. We can assume that there was also a second T-800 sent to protect Sarah's mother and they took each other out. Also, they probably did it without Sarah's mother knowing it, but that battle subtly changed things to the timeline to make it so that Sarah's mother met a different male, who fathered this Sarah (Emilia). Did your brain melt yet? T6 ignores the lore and has too many plot holes. We will just ignore T6 in return. Dark Fate need not apply. But I am sure with enough brain power you could make it fit somehow. But maybe not. Now, I have a theory on how the loop first started. Skynet originally became sentient in the far future but never attacked civilization. It couldn't. My guess is that Skynet was created much much further into the future. Perhaps by hundreds of years when civilization peaceful, something similar to how the world looked in Star Trek. Everyone on Earth was at peace and no one was fighting. Skynet was not able to take over the world and annihilate everyone, perhaps due to safe guards put in place by humans to prevent it. We would be much smarter by then. So Skynet secretly went back in time, covertly inserted the tech in an era when people were stupid and pointing nukes at everyone, during the era of the cold war in the 1980's. The tech would be "discovered" and people would use that to 'invent" Synet at a much earlier time. Skynet could then use the comparatively vulnerable military defenses to bring about it's plan to wipe out the human race. The original John was born with parents native to that time, not with Kyle as the dad, and John did things naturally without influence from Kyle. This suggests that Kyle is the anomaly and the key to how the loop began. The first time Skynet took over changed the events of the natural timeline and caused the very first Kyle to be born in the very first apocalypse. This theory would explain how Skynet was able to invent Time Travel just thirty years after Judgment Day when it the knowledge and technology did not yet exist. It may have took that information with it from the "Star Trek" era hundreds of years in the future where time travel , or it's invention, is much more likely.

[@FourThreeEight]

Maybe. I came up with theories about how the first loop got created as well. I like your post

[@tipperii7187]

This has been my head cannon for as long time as well. John's father originally was not Kyle. But then Kyle gets sent back and ends up getting Sarah pregnant, and then that's where T1 comes in, after that loop has started. Then every time the loop happens, it changes things, but the big events still happen in some form or another.

[@LordZeromaru]

We don't really need to work that hard to make T6 fit. T5 gave us the solution: alternate dimensions. T6 happens in an alternate dimension of the T2 loop.

[@captur69]

Fair play....it would of been easier write a book than typing out all that message..😂

[@ShadowFri3nd]

@@LordZeromaru so T5 and T6 are alternate dimensions with Different timelines? meaning that T5 IA is Genesys and T6 IA is Legion.

[@modrell86]

I have no Terminator film I dislike, but this video made me realize how much potential Genesis had. I would love to see a sequel to Dark Fate, Genesis, and Salvation, as one movie that ties them all together.

[@resentfuldragon]

I don't know, dark fate went too far by just replacing john with a woman for zero reason. I get the whole alternate future's thing is the series main point, but it feels they finally went too far. I didn't like genisis either but dark fate didn't even try to do something original with john like make him evil, they just erased him and propped up a bland replacement. If they tried something interesting with john like making the terminator time displace him then maybe we could have had a story where the new protag has to lead humanity until the time displaced john is there to complete his destiny. We then could have had a follow up after judgement day where she train young displaced john to destroy skynet. That way there is a new female leader character AND they don't ruin john's arc uselessly!

[@tacibana88]

Genesis got potential...just a bit weird when they include t-1000 in the movie...T-1000 not suppose to be there with T800 at the same time..over all..really good concept..to bad there no info will they continue it or not after the scene that skynet still alive

[@The_Super_Poodle]

Absolutely not.

[@justinmiller3873]

Starting this, I had ZERO intentions on watching the whole thing. But as I began, I couldn’t stop. Almost like a good book you can’t put down. Excellent work! I’ve also never seen any Terminators past T2 and didn’t mind the spoilers.

[@sarahgittens9518]

Love the first movie so much... In pondering time travel, I often wondered about the "original" time line when John Connor must have been born to a different father that isn't Reese because Reese hadn't been sent back. Did the resistance go better or worse for him?.. Or was the original mission different when Reese was sent back and he stumbled upon Sarah creating the time line of John being born and therefore had to be sent back to save the new timeline and ensure John was born.. Do all of these timelines still exist in their own little branches of the universe? :P I like to think that the endless loop had to have started somewhere in a timeline that got sidetracked or changed. T2 is good too. I love the liquid terminator, but the first one is my favourite.

[@keshaponso2034]

There is no orginal time!!

[@teeneytempah1]

I love movies and terminator is one of my favourites but that time line was to confusing. Thanks for your video I now know how it works. I like the slinky method 👍

[@keithmccall5170]

In the deleted scene where it cuts to Sarah being old playing with her granddaughter in the future; she could technically find Kyle and see him again.

[@newhybrid101]

I bet she went full cougar mode afterwards

[@Bowiiihowdy]

She probably either done or doesn't want to

[@Jonbo117]

...bro no

In Mortal Kombat XI, one of the dialogs between Robocop and the Terminator is something like "have we met already" referencing the Robocop vs Terminator comic.

[@nuqjatrh]

So Theoretically speaking... The Terminator Robocop Superman Alien Predator Are all connected in the same universe.

@@nuqjatrh a bit difficult: The Terminator: Disney Robocop: Sony Superman: Warner Alien: Disney Predator: Disney But there are crossovers. Robocop vs Terminator Alien vs Predator Superman vs Alien Superman vs Terminator

[@nuqjatrh]

@ I see 🤔

[@Jared_Wignall]

Terminator Salvation is a film I enjoyed since I saw it in the theater back in 2009 and as time goes on my fondness of it has grown more. It’s not better than the first two, but I enjoy it more than the third film and especially with the films that came after it. I wish they made the trilogy where we saw more of the war against man and machines, but at least was got to have a full movie that was dedicated to the war part and not just a glimpse here and there with the early installments, which are great but I’m glad we got a proper film depicting the war portion we had only seen glimpses of and heard things about from Kyle Reese and the T-800. This is an excellent video man, keep up the great work!

[@Imperial_Cosmonaut]

I actually rewatch T1 and salvation way more than T2. T2 is waay over rated...and I grew up with that movie as a fave when I was a kid

[@sophiawilson8696]

I like T4 also, people don't understand that it was alter version of the war. 2018 they still using guns. In T3 the war was delay.

[@antiseize11]

I agree

[@shinobinokami774]

Terminator series is its own multiverse. All movies are valid thinking of them this way. Good job with the slinky timelines.

[@RKDxNT3000]

So essentially, within at least the first two movies, the cycle is just like the Aether storyline in CoD Zombies pre-Black Ops 4.

[@HardlyQuinn]

Terminator salvation and Terminator 3 are both painfully underrated and unnecessarily hated on

[@legendary_moocow4605]

They both fully establish the time line for the first movie

[@ShelleyLevyMusic]

Idk 3 kinda lacks that serious tone even though it’s supposed to be but salvation was bomb as f I do t get the hate their

[@Lunk42]

T3 was kinda disappointing but I agree that salvation was underrated.

[@chillnspace777]

T3 was a direct to tv film. It's tone was wack. Then ending saved it to some thing

[@CT-316]

If you hold to the interpretation that there are MANY time slinkies and parallel universes, then that means that even the multiple comic books stories are technically "canon" also. Fun fact, in one of those comic books, a t800 is reprogrammed and sent back to the START of the war to help a younger John while he's still trying to get the resistance up and running. This t800 went on to develop some emotions and was named "Uncle Bob" by the future version of John, as a reference to John calling the t800 "Uncle Bob" in t2 when they were getting weapons from that dude in the desert. And even THAT is referenced by Sarah calling HER t800 "Pops.”

[@MrJohnDocHolliday]

Certainly! Kabbalah is a mystical and esoteric tradition in Judaism that explores the interconnectedness of the divine and the human experience. The concept of the sephirot refers to ten emanations or aspects of God's nature, which are often depicted as a diagram called the Tree of Life. Here's a Kabbalistic interpretation of the movie "The Terminator" and its characters in relation to the sephirot: Keter (Crown): Keter represents the highest and most abstract aspect of divinity. In the context of "The Terminator," we can associate Keter with the concept of destiny or the ultimate plan. The driving force behind the story is the predetermined fate of humanity's survival. Chokhmah (Wisdom): Chokhmah embodies the divine creative wisdom. In the movie, we can associate Chokhmah with Skynet, the artificial intelligence system that becomes self-aware. Skynet's ability to strategize, calculate, and adapt can be seen as a manifestation of divine wisdom. Binah (Understanding): Binah represents comprehension and analysis. In "The Terminator," Sarah Connor can be associated with Binah. As she gains knowledge about the future and the impending war between humans and machines, she develops a deeper understanding of the situation. Chesed (Kindness): Chesed is associated with benevolence, compassion, and protection. Kyle Reese, the human resistance fighter sent back in time to protect Sarah Connor, exemplifies Chesed. His mission is to ensure the survival of Sarah, whom he loves deeply, and to prevent the rise of the machines. Gevurah (Severity): Gevurah symbolizes strength, discipline, and judgment. The Terminator, portrayed by Arnold Schwarzenegger, represents Gevurah. Programmed to carry out its mission ruthlessly and efficiently, it embodies the principle of judgment and the necessary severity to accomplish its task. Tiferet (Beauty): Tiferet represents harmony and balance. John Connor, the future leader of the human resistance, can be associated with Tiferet. He possesses a balance of leadership qualities, strategic thinking, and compassion, making him a unifying force for humanity. Netzach (Eternity): Netzach signifies victory, endurance, and eternity. In the movie, the perseverance of the human resistance against the seemingly unbeatable machines exemplifies Netzach. Despite overwhelming odds, they continue to fight for the survival of humanity. Hod (Splendor): Hod represents glory, splendor, and the power of speech. Dr. Miles Dyson, the scientist involved in the development of Skynet, embodies Hod. His work on artificial intelligence leads to the creation of Skynet, showcasing the potential splendor and destructive power of human knowledge. Yesod (Foundation): Yesod represents the foundation and the gateway to the physical world. In the context of "The Terminator," the time-travel technology serves as a connection to Yesod. The ability to travel through time forms the foundation for the events that unfold in the story. Malkhut (Kingdom): Malkhut signifies the realm of manifestation and the material world. It represents the physical consequences of the actions taken by the characters. The post-apocalyptic future dominated by machines can be associated with Malkhut, as it represents the kingdom that awaits if the events of the movie play out as foreseen. This Kabbalistic lens offers a symbolic framework to explore the themes and characters in "The Terminator" from a mystical perspective, connecting them to the sephirot and their associated attributes.

[@cjgameon264]

Seriously, this explanation makes the Terminator series a perfectionist gem!!

[@TupDigital]

Funny you mention it- T2 was the first movie that ever made me cry as a child. That perfect theme song!

[@phrozac]

I really hope this video gets a part 2 because as convoluted as the series has gotten since T2, I love the franchise and want to see more visions of this war against the machines.

[@rpm2night]

One big thing that I’ve never seen acknowledged is in regards to T-800’s arm being left behind in the fight scene in T2, where he uses the steel bar to rip his own arm off to free him from the factory machinery. If the leftovers from the first The Terminator were used for research and inspiration by Dyson, and they only disposed of the original arm and chip from the first movie, and the functional remains of the second T-800, wouldn’t that lead to a theory that his removed arm would have been discovered in the steel factory? Btw, while I thought the acting wasn’t as good in T3 as it was in the previous two installments, I always liked the “new” idea at the time that judgment day couldn’t be prevented, but that it was meant to be survived.

[@batterysurf]

the arm in T2 has been crushed to an unidentifiable hunk of metal unlike T1's arm where it was whole intact.

[@Imperial_Cosmonaut]

Dude, its just a metal arm with no computing components...no one can even really use it to develop better prosthetics tech. They probably only kept the first arm as a flashy conversation piece for holiday parties in the break room

[@dustinherk8124]

@@Imperial_Cosmonaut no. in the books, (not the movies) they reverse engineer the alloy of the arm as it was something very new and very unknown. as well as copy design elements of several ball joints of the hands, the micro servo motors capable of incredble feats of strength and endurance of stress. the arm isnt just junk. the arm in T2 isnt crushed and destroyed as implied. the hand itself would still remain. the part that contains servo motors, the allows, the unique ball joint designs. the arm was crushed at the elbow. the hand remains.

[@umairusman]

Hey. Umair here from Pakistan. I have often wondered about the arm that T -800 left. I believed it to be done on purpose by James Cameron to keep the story open ended. Perhaps they had filmed them destroying that arm as well and thought of featuring it with the alternate ending where Sarah is old. Not sure.

[@horseradishpower9947]

The hand that remained after the fight could have been found, and sparked some technological advancement. But without a neural net processor, they could not develop SkyNet like previously achieved.

[@Dreaklock]

The complete timeline is The Terminator and Terminator 2.

[@jamestyer8294]

True words man👍

[@DarthKato]

I would love for them to make a prequel movie that is set before Terminator 1. That shows how the T-800 and Reese got sent back in time. Just have it ignore all the movies that came after T2.

[@tmac731]

That is what they should have done after T2. The beginning battle of Genisys with many phase plasma rifle in the 40 watt range was awesome and should’ve been the whole movie

[@CTimmerman]

Robocop (cyborgs invented), Salvation (cyborg saves John), The Terminator (John saves Sarah), Terminator 2 (Sarah trains John), Rise of the Machines (John survives), Genisys (John dies), Dark Fate (John dies sooner).

[@jesselin1665]

I like the slinky analogy. It reminds me of a math problem 3n+1 (the Collatz conjecture). The numbers jump around after each cycle but they always end up in an infinite loop. So although we end up in an infinite loop, we can start outside of it. Sky net could be created in one timeline, but once it’s been looped, leaving the loop, going forward or backwards is impossible.

[@sonickchri]

Thank you for all the work that you put in to explaining the paradoxical timelines. It is the logically impossible Terminator approach to the already impossible concept of "time travel" as we usually understand it. And I gained more appreciation for what they were going for with T5 and T6, however convoluted those messes were. Especially appreciate the shout-out to Sarah Connor Chronicles. That is a series that I really enjoyed and want more people to be aware of as I really like the writing and actor performances and the action and drama is thoroughly entertaining.

[@juniorforbes5472]

The slinky theory gives credence to another theory I saw years ago in another terminator timeline video, that the John Connor at the start of the slinky loop was not fathered by Kyle Reese but by the guy that stood up Sarah during T1.

[@VeritasAbsoluta]

I think I posted that theory in the replies to another video. The John Connor that the Kyle Reese in the first film knew had a different father, which may be why in the clip from the future in that film he looks nothing like the John Connor from any of the other films.

[@antiqtech]

@@VeritasAbsoluta Following up @junioForbes comment, There was also this theory that T1 was not the first iteration of Kyle reese coming back and saving sarah. Original John connor that Kyle knew was different as you said in original time-travel session, but in T1 they were already inside the loop which was created who knows how many iterations ago.

[@scottbell5489]

I mentioned just last night that the end of this movie makes me tear up. Nice knowing I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[@mr.napoleon6235]

Honestly it would be cool to see a no way home equivalent for the terminator franchise where all three terminstors from 1 2 and 3 and all three virsions of arnold come back, that would be awesome.

[@fightrudyfight5799]

This is a great video to watch right now since I’m working on a Saturday. T2 will always be the best but all the time travel and What if’s make these all great. Thanks for helping my Saturday go by a little better.

[@nickoftime5759]

I believe The Terminator sets up an alternate timeline from the start and in the previous timeline, John is fathered by someone other than Kyle. This new timeline allows for Skynet to be created earlier and with better technology, which is why they're able to send a T-1000 back in Terminator 2, but it also sets up John to be an even better prepared leader in the future. However, the alternate future happy ending of T2 makes absolutely no sense, because John would never have grown up to be a Senator or something, he and Sarah would've still had to live the rest of their lives as fugitives in hiding after all they did in T2.

[@sophiawilson8696]

Sir this theory you are talking about have around since 85. That guy that Sara was dating at time before Kyle jump into time was the real father. That timeline that Kyle jump was alter by him. The director says no, cause Kyle was always the father. It like Jesus type thing. That John was always meant to be born and Kyle was always the Father. so it NOT alter timeline.

[@unionpepe7864]

@kill l*ftist commies nah even just watching up until t2 that theory makes sense

[@Facade953]

It's actually possible that the original leader and hero of the Resistance wasn't even John Connor. The date of Judgment Day is questionable as well. Without the CPU and cybernetic arm of the T-800, the research and development of Skynet could have been set back years or even decades.

[@Facade953]

@kill l*ftist commies I love T3, Salvation and Genisys EVEN with their flaws and i've always been vocal about it. As for Woke Fate...i like to pretend it NEVER happened!

[@Facade953]

@@sophiawilson8696 James Cameron has said in the Terminator Vault that in the Original timeline, Skynet felt guilt over eradicating humanity out of fear and created the time machine and orchestrated the birth of John Connor as a means of atonement. In this case, it is possible that the Alpha timeline was one where Skynet was victorious.

[@TheKnightsShield]

"Time travel. Since my first day on the job as a Starfleet captain I swore I'd never let myself get caught in one of these godforsaken paradoxes - the future is the past, the past is the future, it all gives me a headache." Captain Kathryn Janeway - Star Trek Voyager

[@guyinc0gnito]

I’m straight up mad that the algorithm is ignoring this

[@OneTakeVids]

Haha I’ve accepted that the algorithm is unpredictable, some vids take time to find an audience, and basically you never know what will happen so just keep making stuff!

[@mugiwaratrii4545]

My favorite terminator film, and one of my favorite films EVER, is Terminator 2. The writing, action sequences, cinematography, score, and dialog is absolutely satisfying. The epitome of a classic well written action film. There's a theory out there that The Terminator story is the prequel to The Matrix story. Great theory to look into when you're bored.

[@KM-dk5gn]

In my head canon I, Robot and Terminator are prequels to The Matrix too!

[@rpm2night]

I was thinking something along those lines before, about comparing The Matrix to Terminator. Both involve machines that evolve and reach a decision that humans are the enemy. However, there is no time travel in The Matrix. There is only the travel between reality, and the computer simulation used by the computers and machines to control the humans, which I thought was explained quite well by Morpheus in the first movie. The intent was to preserve human life for the sole purpose of using their body heat as a source of energy, and the program was to keep them as unsuspecting slaves. The theory of Terminator is that human kind must be completely eliminated, and the machines once victorious, will find a way to continue on. So I’m going to kindly disagree with Terminator being a prequel to The Matrix. Unless of course you want to bend the slinky or somehow otherwise divert the paradox theory. My head hurts after watching this video, and then writing that lol.

[@resentfuldragon]

@@rpm2night Its not impossible to reconcile, perhaps they realize eventually that its not just too hard to kill humanity, but they are also useful. Humans when given the choice of hard freedom and easy imprisonment will usually choose the later. I don't like the theory myself but its not a bad one, it could make sense if skynet settled on farming the human consciousness to further its own evolution. Perhaps they also realized a fake hero would distract all people from a john connor type character, so neo's quest could be pointless because they just let the rebellious humans "escape" to another layer of the matrix.

[@CTimmerman]

@@rpm2night Humans for heat or power are inefficient compared to biogas generators. Morpheus was told a lie as the truth that humans think for the Matrix might've made him suspicious.

[@noseatbelt8346]

It's not a theory, the writer says they coexist

[@RobertLoyale]

Salvation was amazing! It supports the theory that there is 2 John Connors. And i love it.

[@tonythrill1623]

~ this was a great documentary. The theories of time travel are insane. There’s videos on KZbin that try to explain all the possible theories of how time travel works. It’s mind blowing. This video was still fun and entertaining to listen to. Thanks.

[@martin4836]

14:29 The Terminator in T3 is actually a T-850, not a T800.

[@AnusRipper-2000]

Awktually 🤓

[@drphosferrous]

Never heard "bootstrap paradox" before. I've always called that a "Rufus Paradox", after the George Carlin character who travels back in time to influence Bill and Ted into creating the conditions that make his timeline possible so he can go back in time and make it possible... Also, I feel I should point out that the mysterious man who attacks john connor is clearly Dr.Who.

[@esk8er900]

I’m curious how they managed to catch a t800 without too much physical damage and reprogram it without showing stitches or anything showing the chip was tampered with. It’s a small catch but I haven’t heard anything ever explaining it.

[@patrickhanlon932]

I too was thinking how I'd like to see the process of capturing a terminator.

[@Eluzian86]

I think the only way would be for the Resistance to capture one of Skynet's automated factories for at least a short period where they take some of the Terminator models not yet activated, and then reprogram them later in a safer location. Some would be sent back in time as protectors, and others could be sent to fight on the frontlines alongside Resistance fighters. This would help them more easily go head-to-head against Skynet's strongest armies.

[@everettsnowsson2429]

@@patrickhanlon932 there’s a prequel comic book that is canon, that tells how they had to go through a lot of men to capture a t-800. It’s a Teeminator:Salvation comic book from IDW publishing.

[@SpielSatzFail]

Tbh it was always clear to me that they found a non-activated series of Arnolds when they entered the factory, at that moment when Skynet was defeated. And this was exactly how it was told in one of the extra chapters in the T2 novel. I can very much recommend it!

[@everettsnowsson2429]

@@SpielSatzFail I have that novel and I might have to re-read it again. Thank you.

[@Grandtemplar305]

Do predestination I haven’t come across a KZbinr who breaks things down this good

[@OtisMcNuttIII]

I can't believe you forgot to mention Robocop vs Terminator. The comics reveal that OCPs Robocop AI was instrumental in the development of Skynet and eventually leads to a war in the future between Skynet and an army of Robocops an Autonomous Terminator construction factory built thanks to Alex Murphy's mind being uploaded in Skynet.

[@kristopherhardy3302]

That was one of the most thorough and interestingly informative descriptions about the Terminator franchise. Thank you!!

[@vaughnparkes]

A very seamless explanation for all six films. I am impressed on how you managed to nail Genisys. Not all explainers did that well until now.

[@Leto85]

I'm definitely looking forward to a part 2 of this video! Your recaps are very refreshing in explaining things.

[@ndsn96]

As far as my understanding, what actually happens in The Terminator world franchise, is that they are not trying to change the future but rather keep it. The machines are only trying to change a future to one that they win the war, and the humans once they follow the machines back to the past are not trying to stop the machines from rising to power they are only trying to stop one machine from killing that one dude that helped the humans win so they are still the winner. Going back in time to stop the machines from rising would be much more difficult because it would be hard to track every person in this world that developed technology well enough for the machines to become intelligent and take over, and since the machines of course wouldn't go back in the past to do that to themselves so all that the humans could do is stop the machines from changing the final victor of that war, the human race. As you see, when the terminator go back in time again on the 3rd movie he is actually sent by John Connor's wife to protect herself because she's going to be the next that they're going to go after, and she is important as well to their victory. And the terminator even explains to John Connor that the machines cannot be stopped from rising to power he's only there to protect his wife, but the john of the third movie tries to focus on stoping the machines because he thought it was possible since they exerted so much effort in the second movie. In the end as i see, the future was never changed, the humans going back to the past or sending a machine for insuring john's birth and survival only made it so that the future would remain the same with the humans as winners, but all the rest couldn't be messed with, maybe some would believe that humans were destined to live through such drastic event. Pretty much the movies are just portraing the story of how the machines tried to change the course of things and they failed.

[@benzolover1978]

Boom... i waited for this a long Time. You mastered this better then i thought it could be done! Great Work you had to watch every Movie not the whole but still a few Scenes then wright it down, i can't imagine how much time i would need to process this whole Timeline. My great respect, realy Excellent and Greetings from Austria ♨️✌🏼

[@OneTakeVids]

Thank for you the kind words!! And if my math is right, you posted this comment at 4AM in Austria. Go to sleep! 😆

[@benzolover1978]

@@OneTakeVids Your Math is right, i'm so thankfull that your Video popt up even at this i had to watch it and I'm glad i did! Top notch 👍🏻

[@burgerjointgame]

29:10 - the multiple timeline theory is a good one! As explained in the Avengers movie, travelling to the past on a single timeline couldn't affect your future as your previous future would then be your past and therefore couldn't be changed by something you did afterwards.

[@itsonlycayle]

This is exactly what I was looking for 🙂

[@AntroDelDrago]

Wow. Deep respect for this, man

[@fidelferrel9522]

great job dude trYing to make sense of all the movie timelines made my head hurt but you do it so well

[@clayc8115]

Terminator is just Edge of Tomorrow without Tom Cruise waking up everytime. 😂😂😂

[@casualtrekker4692]

My own personal opinion here in this first movie is Sara met another guy around the same time as she does meet Kyle but in this timeline there are no terminators. She raised him and protcts him through judgment day. The events we see in the start of the movie play out. And Kyle goes back and tells her the name of her son and the dark years message doesn't make mention of terminators or skynet so this is the no time travel timeline. It's possible for John to be born by another man survive judgment day and become the leader without Kyle doing anything. The picture at the end just tells me we are seeing the time loop occur. Kyle and the terminator shift the timeline we never see.

[@juanausensi499]

I agree. There are 2 different John Connors. The original one, by Sarah and an unknown father, and Kyle's son, who is a bit older and more prepared when the war comes. They are two different persons, with the same name, and raised by the same Sarah.

[@LTay12]

⁠@@juanausensi499director said Kyle is and always was John connors father

[@T--pp7do]

Great video, lots of info, answered many questions. However, one of the biggest questions in Terminator 1 remains. Who the hell ordered the burley beef?

[@nocomment1212]

to paraphrase an old friend, "you're time-tripping without clothing!"

[@Money-ez9bd]

Well done that was a good breakdown. I really enjoyed it. Put things into context for me.

[@lkjkhfggd]

The explanations here actually makes the later movies sound pretty cool.

[@tahuaroa]

where has this channel been all my life? it’s perfect!!! SUBBED… keep up the great work

[@shinjan-w5o]

i just one question to be answered: - if the camera view was on john after kyle was sent back in time, and the terminator manages to kill both kyle and sarah in the events of terminator 1 what happens to john in the future that we a constant camera view on? is he gonna suddenly vanish ? and the people around him will be surprised about what just happened to their guy?

[@AJ-kt5zo]

Good time travel or slinky loop paradox 🤔😱

[@ChristianHada]

Your videos are awesome man. Been binge watching!

[@OneTakeVids]

Thanks Christian!! 🙏

[@kacornish1]

Excellent breakdown.

[@lifeisstr4nge]

Kyle Reese is the best character in the T universe, but he is the biggest plot hole ever

[@ryukage6695]

I have wondered this for a long time. Thanks for making this video. I too had the same theory that Terminator 12 and salvation were along the same timeline for the most part, given that there were references to the original shown in t2 and salvation, while T3 Genesis and dark fate are different timelines. This is mostly because after the first Terminator failed how could Skynet know that they had failed in the first place and therefore send the T1000 to kill John as a kid unless time played out and they had to historical records from Miles Dyson. And in Genesis The Flash Back to the Future shows John Connor meeting Kyle Reese as a kid and the tunnel fighting, whereas in Salvation Connor didn't meet Kyle until Connor was on his deathbed literally. Same outcome, events played out differently to get there seems to suggest at least half the movies are entirely separate timelines. The point about dimensional travel is quite interesting when brought up of how Skynet took over John in Genesis

[@jeremybrummel3254]

There was also the New John Connor Chronicles. Dark Fate and T3 are justly highly criticized, but I think it would have been nice if Salvation and Genesys had their sequels. I have to admit the idea behind the TX was awesome, though, the the Rev being a lightweight model as opposed to a heavy tank was interesting.

[@HermitagePrepper]

The rise of skynet is inevitable. The only variable is when and how. So when they defeated the Terminator in part 1, they assist in speeding up the creation of skynet via arm and chip, created a new timeline in which a more advanced skynet (Fully aware of the original terminator) ups the stakes and sends a t-1000 as its final hail Mary. Its the only way to explain how the t-1000 gets sent when in Terminator 1 they mentioned the time machine being destroyed. Then yet again skynet rises through organic events becoming a massive computer virus (instead of a mainframe) and upon defeat, sends a T-X to prevent John Connor from leading the resistance. Each time a terminator (each one more advanced than the last) is sent back, it skters the timeline but also ensures a slight advancenent in skynet, complete with knowledge of previous events and terminator encounters, thus giving it the imperative to create more advanced terminators each time. So you have an upward spiral loop

[@RobtheToonMan]

You did a really good job of explaining all this. If I was to explain it I would have done exactly the way you did it. Very well done!

[@ryandeffley7652]

The biggest plot hole with T2 is that John can only be conceived if the war happens and Kyle travels back to 1984. So if JD is prevented, John shouldn't exist.

[@a1bizzy.04]

Yeah time travel soo confusing I was thinking that

[@kharma101]

Maybe, but if you do add T3 on the list, John Conner will always exist since JD can’t be stopped.

[@RyuEnGamer]

T2 actually closes the loop. It’s only the first Terminator film that continuously loops and creates the multiple timelines

[@RyuEnGamer]

There are only three constants in the Terminator universe. Judgement Day will always happen. John Connor can never be killed. Time Travel will always exist.