What THE TERMINATOR Is Really About

The Terminator is one of the best sci-fi/action/horror films ever made and it touches on some themes that are frighteningly relevant today. In this video, I dive into it all and talk about what makes this movie special! Give it a listen then let me know your thoughts in the comments!
0:00 Horror and Suspense
4:32 Fragility and the Illusion of Safety
7:45 A Warning About Technology
17:00 Love Will Saves Us All
20:46 Fate vs. Will
25:03 Conclusion
Music by Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio - whitebataudio.com/
#terminator #scifi #jamescameron

[@tomharrington1453]

Kyle Reese falls in love with Sarah by staring at her picture. He always wonders what she is thinking of in the picture. She was thinking about him. The kid snaps the picture when she is deciding whether to tell her son about his father, Kyle.

[@richardmoores]

Wow I’d never thought of that. It’s a bit like the movie Somewhere in time, sort of. He falls in love with her perfect smile but later when he travels back in time and they fall in love she was smiling at him

[@adyanish]

Deep

[@mathilde1974]

and as he wasnt even able to wear clothes because he couldnt carry anything while being transported in time, that picture had to be up his butt or something?

[@heathlowery3806]

@@mathilde1974 lol, an hilarious thought, but he lost it before he travels back. It gets burnt up in the scene where the Franco Columbu infiltrator terminator attacks the resistance hideout

[@DeathBYDesign666]

@@mathilde1974 Yeah it never went with him to the past so why even bring it up? That might work though since it only has to be "surrounded by living tissue".

[@karenielsen4713]

The mirror image of Sarah pushing a button to kill the Terminator in both movies is so clever. First movie the button is pushed in fear and anger. In T2 the button is pushed with sadness and respect. Truly great storytelling 🤓

[@Jason_Voorhees.]

Dang, I never thought of that, I even watched both movies back to back last month lol

[@troymaclean4146]

Damn bro that’s very smart I never looked at it like that time to watch both of these movies for 10000x

[@Alex3f4]

I think in both scenes that last thing we see is the T-800's arm. The first time it is a hand trying to grab Sarah, the next time it is a thumbs up

[@jmdi2703]

Cameron always shot the truck or car light in close plan. Matrix series too. What is the subtext meaning of this shots?

[@nicholascolagiovanni7158]

Cameron said himself that the entire point of the terminator was the fact that no matter how insignificant we all feel, we have no idea on how impactful we could be in the future

[@ayoolukoga9829]

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Daniel 2:43

[@cresalp]

Unclear raw

[@xenuno]

Well that's for sure. Even the most insignificant person needs resources to live. Will global population flat line when resources become untenable for many? What happens then .. world wide chaos and destruction? You betcha. Tech is not going to kill humans off but the sterilization of the earth due to unsustainable global human population levels, along with the extinction of flora & fauna, will.

[@FettiMagazine]

@@ayoolukoga9829 wow. This was probably done before in ancient times causing destruction.

[@Dan-di9jd]

The franchise has taken a strange turn, for sure. Terminator 2 was about changing what you were meant to be and that the future is never set. After that movie, the entire franchise got into the idea that what you're destined to do cannot be changed no matter how hard you try that you're forced into fate of what your life is meant to be.

[@brianshorey]

Arnold was originally looked at for the role of Reese. Casting a normal male in that role and Arnold as the unstoppable terminator was great casting.

[@covidenslavement8918]

They should have made both versions 😋

[@Dinoslay]

@@covidenslavement8918 T2 kinda becomes the subverted version since Arnold’s T-800 adopts the protector role against Robert Patrick’s sleeker looking T-1000.

[@covidenslavement8918]

@@Dinoslay I've seen it several times , very entertaining. Maybe one day something like it will happen 😂

[@duncan-rmi]

& lance henrikson as the t800- he showed up in a mocked-up terminator costume to help JC pitch the movie.

[@duncan-rmi]

@@ProxyAuthenticationRequired really? well... I knew about OJ almost being in it...

[@guyinc0gnito]

Wow it’s honestly weird to hear the phrase “data privacy” not immediately followed by “which is why you need our sponsor NordVPN”

[@cindirose3390]

Hahaha

[@rolflandale2565]

Yellow Pages (as merely a book 📖 listing) was the only *privacy* issue then. Before the 80s, the US espionage cult/creed/race, was the only accessible to the internet. Later access for VIP needs in the info highway by the late 70s, then the idea of accessing EVERYONE in exchange of the freedom creed. "The *Freedom of* (total access on everyone in the world) *Information* ACT," by the 90s.

[@ammosexual415]

😆 🤣 😂

[@doktormcnasty]

That there's what's called a missed opportunity.

[@purpletigerracing7087]

I was waiting for it. It was perfectly placed and would have been brilliant. Missed opportunity. Lol

[@BastardX13]

Imprinted on me as a teenager. A sci-fi masterpiece that has weathered the test of time. Well done.

[@4dthinking432]

You got a tattoo of T1?

[@ayoolukoga9829]

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Daniel 2:43

[@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457]

​@@ayoolukoga9829 Wow, that's totally meaningless.

[@ayoolukoga9829]

@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 Acids, Bases Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Matthew 5:13 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. John 19:29

[@RaymondHamby]

Same for me but as a kid. I first seen this movie when it came out around 6 or 7 years old and even then I remember it blowing my mind

[@Katsuya89]

What I love about the original Terminator movie is that it's like a horror movie, while T2 is more of an action movie. Both are great movies, but give different vibes.

[@TungstenCarbideTempe]

Totally agree!! And I believe that’s why first 2 films work out soo good. Now, Third movie on- they added a bunch of lame humor and totally removed the horror part, and that’s why I believe it has failed so miserably.

[@paragon_moon8400]

Yeah 1st terminator scared the crap out of my brother when we were kids.

[@Katsuya89]

@@paragon_moon8400 Same for me. I was probably like 4 when i first watched it lol

[@puakagrinder2766]

​@@paragon_moon8400it's happened to me too when I watched the 1st terminator as a kid😆

[@charlieross4674]

Same situation with Alien and Aliens. Another pair of legendary movies

[@zencomeseasy602]

It's not about the cyclical nature of time travel or the terminators we stop, it's about the friends we make along the way.

[@varunemani]

And about how Copy cat Nolan's Tenet was a mere twisted retelling of pretty much the same plot! 'Reversed entropy Protaganist' blah blah my ass.. 😆 When you think about it every element, Future war, Nuclear holocost, the militarised resistance forces, ensuring safety of a certain mother and son and there by all of humanity, everything except the rise of Ai has been cut, copy and repurposed! 🍷

[@nathanpierce7681]

maybe the real terminator 2 judgement day was within us all along

[@markiobook8639]

I agree and would add- it's all really subjective thus us essentially an extension of man's perhaps oldest art- telling stories often with morality tales and there are no wrong answers- it's folklore and myth and like every great fable there are many ways of interpreting it.

[@bhante1345]

Hey, can I get about three fiddy?

[@kalebseiler8577]

I think because T2 is very much a action movie with some of the biggest and greatest action sequences of all time most people forget that the first one is basically a slasher movie. In the sense that the characters are being chased by a unstoppable killing machine and it’s darker tone. In my opinion it’s much darker then Friday the 13th or Halloween.

[@mikej8382]

Good point it does in many way feel more like a horror film.

[@desendean6488]

Agree but the action in this movie is also brilliant !

[@D33Lux]

To me if felt like a sci-fi horror, it was a murderous machine, even Kyle Reese explains it several times in the movie, but the people in the movie didn't believe what Kyle was telling them...who would. When he's in the police station, his frustration with the psychologist how the Terminator cannot be stopped, even by an entire police station...moments later one of the most incredible scenes in movie history takes place when the Terminator takes an the entire police department. I wonder what the reaction of the people in the theatre in that time was, 1984 was a totally different time from now...the world has become desensitized to violence and sex, its everywhere now.

[@amsterdampattayathailand1947]

A sci-fi horror thriller I would call T1 . 1 of a kind

[@desendean6488]

@@amsterdampattayathailand1947 t1 has many genre's , even possibly the best love story ever told !

[@swmcnatt]

Terminator is my favorite movie of all time. Thank you for your interpretation of it. My favorite 2 scenes is when Sarah tells Kyle "The few hours we had together, we loved a lifetime's worth and also when the little boy takes her picture ( the picture Kyle has carried with him since John gave it to him) and the boy says to Sarah "A storm is coming" and she replies "I know". Very moving and powerful scenes for me.

[@Rockstago]

Its my favorite movie as well. At 9 yrs old, this movie definitely started me thinking of the world in a different way-

[@fepethepenguin8287]

No, you mean Terminator 2

[@dtaylor7003]

and in the new video game the picture itself was left in a time capsule at john connor's high school that jacob's father keeps to give to him later on after you rescue him after being imprisoned for years after the intro of the downloadable content expansion after you and and jacob's father dig up the capsule and get attacked by terminators and then they get separated for years father goes into prison camp jacob joins the resistance rescues his father and his father doesn't even recognize who his son is before he dies...... he tells him to find his son as he dies..... but you play as his son but his mind is so far gone from the horrors that he only kept the picture and hands it over to jacob and reese! if you play games get terminator resistance and annihilation line you won't regretit !!

[@dtaylor7003]

it also shows what happens during the mission with the big hk tank and the girl who gets blown to bits!! totally worth it!! plus they show one of the ways they come up with the t-800 skins and you find a dead guy that looks suspiciously like robert patrick aka t-1000! lot's of easter eggs like big jim's diner and the tech noir night club and the daytime scenes look just like terminator salvation!

[@bigguy7353]

You never closed the first quotation. I don't remember Sarah saying all that.

[@BIG.FOX.]

I'm 22 and I miss the power movies used to have. The messages, the cinematography, writing and passion behind film making is rarely present in moden movie or shows. The vanity and ambition for money in the world and every big industry is what is slowly destroying the world

[@mikecarroll5756]

Well said

[@bigblk45]

Believe it or not in 1984 the special effects were pretty good. To see it in the theatre was an amazing experience. Everyone was on the edge of their seats. There was an audible sigh of relief when the Terminator "dies" in truck explosion then back to the edge of their seats when it gets back up, then AGAIN after its blown up.

[@theshapeexists]

Weird to think that by the time Sarah had the picture taken, Kyle was already dead, Yet it was the same picture he had in the future that made him fall for her. 🤯

[@Nah_Bohdi]

ghost bone problems

[@NEUR0MANCER_]

sarah gave it to john as a child. John keeps it and gives it to kyle in the future. Not understanding why john gave it to him. At some point kyle probably did lose it, but the flash back we see in T1 is sarahs vision. Not kyles memories, so we dont know how he lost the photo. But we are told, john once gave me a picture of you, at the time i didnt know why. I always thought you looked a little sad, and wondered what it was you were thinking in that moment. The picture was taken, the moment she asked herself the question of whether she would tell john the truth about his father being from the future. See the john in T1 and T2 as an adult, is the same john, from T2 as a child. He had the same life, the same memories. Because he had to ensure his own existence, John knew about the first terminator, he knew about the second terminator. Because he lived through it.

[@theshapeexists]

@@NEUR0MANCER_ yea the photo burned up when Franco terminator infiltrated the humans base and attacked with the minigun. Super genius writing

[@Fastlan3]

@@NEUR0MANCER_ I would disagree, every time travel created an alternate timeline. John does not necessarily need to ensure he himself is born. Also I believe the bootstrap paradox in The Terminator is possibly solved with the following sequence of events... It would be that Kyle Reese did not originally travel back in time in the same manner as we recognize, nor was there a Skynet we now know. And contact with Sarah Conner was happenstance and further into the future timeline, also Sarah Conner is a cradle robber, who was an older lady getting with a young Reese. *STARTS WITH* Sarah Conner becomes an old lady while married to a person involved with A.I. learning and using it to advance technology, one being super soldiers for military use, the A.I. also helps create technology that allows time travel. Meanwhile Sarah was having a years-long affair with a young recruit (Kyle Reese) assigned to help with tactical training of these future soldiers. Sarah disagrees with the lethal application of the technology and in an attempt to stop this, Sarah is killed, but Reese all mixed up in this, who gains access to the time machine, takes the opportunity to travel back to a time Sarah had told him about, hoping they would get more time together and be closer in age. So this would be the first iteration of Kyle and Sarah where John Conner does not exist and doesn't need to, nor does the Skynet we all know. Kyle travels back in time, finds Sarah, they fall in love and have John. And of course a future super soldier or multiple are sent back, following Kyle to the time he traveled. John being born at this time period is how we get on track with the timelines we recognize. The future soldier found in the earlier timeline jumpstarts technological advancements where we are even less prepared for the ideas and Skynet is born. Kyle and Sarah are killed fighting it, and John knows who his father is and purposely finds and recruits him to eventually send his father Kyle Reese back to save his mom. What do you think?

[@joelinden1482]

The whole thing is a paradox when you think about it

[@OfficialAndies]

The Terminator (1984) is a perfect stand alone film, T2 is a spectacle (granted one of the best ever - although leaning heavily on being an Arnie-vehicle) but story wise the original will always be superior

[@ronelitzur856]

cameron made t1 as a preamble to t2 and a final chapter in the franchise. whatever came after was made by other directors.

[@kevinking2556]

Judgment day is better than the original

[@planetcaravan2925]

@@kevinking2556 nopes, sorry

[@jasonleetaiwan]

T1 was man versus machine. The action fit the theme. T2 was machine versus machine. Granted, Sarah helped a lot, but it was the T-800 versus the T-1000, so it didn’t fit the overall theme as much.

[@OfficialAndies]

@@jasonleetaiwan There was also a lot of repetitive praise about Arnie's Terminator being the "perfect father", I get the intention, machines being reliable, etc. but it felt like "Isn't Arnie awesome? Yeah Arnie is awesome, did you know Arnie is awesome?" It's clearly a star vehicle taking his celebrity status into account unlike the original where Arnie is just playing a character in a story

[@jjr1728]

At its core: it's the greatest love story of all time. He travelled across time for her. Nothing can top that.

[@covidenslavement8918]

Bull💩

[@gocle]

lol I was just saying that. He grew up loving her. There was never any other path for him.

[@Choo-choo-chookcha]

And he is about 50 years younger (by date). The ultimate MILF

[@josephsalmonte4995]

Nah. The fact that he teleported from a nightmarish hell-scape to 90's USA. That lessens his sacrifice somewhat

[@gocle]

@@josephsalmonte4995 they had already won the war, but hes going back to fight a terminator with 1980 civillian guns and kitchen made bombs... one of which kills him

[@availablelight999]

I could never put into words the impact this movie had on me when I first saw it. It really is one of the best movies ever made.

[@Xcessive_Evil]

I really like how they captured her beauty and innocence and the first one and how she became a battle tested badass in the second....while still beautiful and maintaining a touch of her innocence, humanity.

[@Skrenja]

Agreed. The "disadvantaged but brave" character who overcomes impossible odds, may be a "trope" -- but it's a trope _that works._ These types of protagonists (particularly female ones) seem to be completely absent in modern films -- replaced by "feminist friendly" Mary-Sues, who have _zero_ faults, show little growth/character development and barely have to overcome _any_ adversity to achieve their end goals. To me, characters like that are the antithesis of good writing and entertainment.

[@MLife1000]

​@@Skrenjawell said 👍 Sarah Connor is so Cool 😎

[@sean5558]

I like how it’s partially a slasher flick and killing machine disguised as a human fits profiles of the masked killer

[@enishi4ty5]

the slasher side is VASTLY underplayed. the sequel was a conclusion. if youre going to reboot the series stretch out the horror aspects and recreate the iconic villain thats going to push the new iconic hero

[@OneTakeVids]

Agreed - Most of the sequels have tried to re-capture the T2-vibe. For another reboot or sequel, I'd vote for re-embracing the horror-side and going even further with it. Now is the perfect time considering all the anxieties around AI, data, and everything technology.

[@satnav1980]

@@OneTakeVids Not just a horror. Has a chiller feel to it.

[@JinKee]

@@OneTakeVids i think they should switch genres again. Make it a spy thriller- sort of like watching the counterintelligence detectives from the present in the hunt for Carlos the Jackal, except that the Jackal is made of metal, cannot be killed with normal weapons and is trying to start ww3 to birth Skynet.

[@galvinstanley3235]

@@OneTakeVids kzbin.info/www/bejne/mobLp6mli9mjjKc

[@garrisonnichols807]

The original concept for the Terminator was much different than what we got in the final film. James Cameron pictured the T-800 as a chameleon able to completely disappear into a crowd and sneak up on its victims without being noticed. Actually Lance Henriksen was originally going to play the part until Arnold Schwarzenegger was cast instead. Having Arnold Schwarzenegger as the Terminator was a stroke of genius but in a different direction. Instead of a cyborg that could blend into a crowd unnoticed we get this beastly unstoppable force that you instantly realize is a lethal weapon without knowing there's a metallic skeleton underneath it's skin.

[@D33Lux]

Like a Skynet Frankenstein monster.

[@vijayvijay4123]

The original version justifies the term terminator. The actual movie depicts more of a fighter than a terminator.

[@devindalton4688]

@@vijayvijay4123 Terminate just means end, kill, destroy, etc. I don't see what you're getting at there, the robot is clearly capable of doing that.

[@vijayvijay4123]

@@devindalton4688 Terminators are of a specialized particular type created by the machines according to the movie. Not all the machines are terminators. A hunters and fighter are different. A military soldier is different from a CIA assassin.

[@gocle]

This was basically the best love story of all time, especially with some of the scenes that were cut.

[@henriqueribeiro8167]

The director's cut is awesome. The love story felt very natural.

[@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457]

​@@henriqueribeiro8167 I seriously love set-up for T2 in those scenes.

[@adriancimpoi8765]

Brian Thompson (clothes punk) played with Arnold in ”Terminator”, with Stallone in ”Cobra” and with JCVD in ”Lionheart”. One of the best ”that guy” Hollywood careers!

[@truthskr7127]

Brian Thompson would have been a far scarier Terminator. Check out his role as the bounty hunter in X-files.

[@getschwifty9531]

I forgot Shao Khan was in Lionheart.

[@D33Lux]

He was amazing in Cobra, he had the look and demeanour of a maniac.

[@snakeplissken6313]

Don't forget buffalo bob in joe dirt, his finest role.

[@Dr.Meth666]

SHAO KAHN !!!!

[@ConnoisseurOfExistence]

Terminator and Matrix are such classics! If real AI turns on us though, we won't stand the slightest chance...

[@ayoolukoga9829]

The Movie the Matrix is all about Being Born Again: All that openeth the MATRIX is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male. Exodus 34:19 That thou shalt set apart unto the LORD all that openeth the MATRIX, and every firstling that cometh of a beast which thou hast; the males shall be the LORD'S. Exodus 13:12 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3 Matrix Definition: Something within or from which something else originates, develops, or takes Form. Come out of the Matrix, Be Born Again. Whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Daniel 2:43

[@warpspeed8305]

Person of Interest tv show is more realistic. AI doesn't need robots to control us. Humans are robots in a way and it's energy efficient

[@ayoolukoga9829]

@@warpspeed8305 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Daniel 2:43

[@bobbyhempel1513]

​@@ayoolukoga9829 it's hard to reconcile the biblical connotations of the movie The Matrix with the creators of the movie The Matrix being transgender.

[@ConnoisseurOfExistence]

@@warpspeed8305 AI doesn't need to control us at all. Humans are slow, prone to mistakes, corruption and disease, need to sleep and entertainment time... AI wouldn't have any use of us. Machines are way better...

[@michaelbuick6995]

"Terminator" is the perfect example of "art from adversity". If it was made today you'd have a fully robotic, fully CGI terminator for the whole film. Huge laser battles. They couldn't do that in the early 80s so they had to write in an in-universe reason as to why the robot is being played by a human. So he's a a machine that "wears" real living issue as a sophisticated disguise. This then hands the writers a perfect reason as to why Reese couldn't bring back 2029 technology with him, even though the terminator is 2029 technology; only something alive will go through. Which escalates the stakes now he's got to fight this indestructible machine with weapons half a century behind on the times. Being forced to work around technical limitations leads to a tighter script.

[@kevinbaseysspacement2160]

The “Only something alive” quote is why the liquid terminator in T2 ruined the first film. I still like T2, it’s an amazing film but they could have found a way to honour that line from the first film

[@toddaulner5393]

And almost all new clients ruins every film.

[@featherguardian6023]

The Original Termination,T2,and Salvation are the Best Movies in the Franchise and Rise of the Machines is extremely Underrated,however there’s Something Special and Unique about the Terminator the Same Way the Sequel Did.

[@daviddwyer4376]

Salvation? Are you being serious

[@featherguardian6023]

@@daviddwyer4376 Say what you will about it,Sure it has Flaws but keep in Mind it has a Interesting Concept and is the First and Only Film in the Franchise that Explores the Aftermath of Skynet and John Connor as the World’s Last Hope.

[@playerunkown8699]

@@featherguardian6023 you are right Future scenes are not a thing in the movies Only the videogames has that because if makes sense you need to shoot things constantly

[@leewightman8619]

Your right... salvation is actually underrated too

[@racyagentmac]

I would of liked a sequel to Salvation instead of Genesis and dark fate👍

[@millerkatz1463]

The phone call home doesn't just give away her location. It tells the machine that he hadn't just killed her. It didn't know what she looked like and it's not until she is heard on the answering machine that he realizes Ginger wasn't Sarah. Hence the finding of her ID at the end of the scene.... confirming she's alive, where she is, and what she looks like all at once.

[@reksub10]

I agree.it shouldve already been programmed with that information.. .major flaw if it would have shut down after it "thought" it had killed Sarah but killed ginger..the phone call was a cute plot device but silly ..Good catch.

[@nihil8607]

Except she literally said she was at tech noire, giving it her exact location...

[@jeradw7420]

That didn't matter to the T800. He didn't know what she looked like and would not stop until every SC in the phone book was killed. That's what he was already doing. The Sarah that called just happened to be the right one but there was no way for T800 to know that only that she was next on the list. He did not care that he has to kill extra people to accomplish the goal.

[@nihil8607]

Ah, i realize now i misread the original comment, my bad

[@indiatastic]

@@nihil8607 you're not the only one. I was just about to comment "she literally says the name of the club, dumb ass!" 🤣🤣

[@torikazuki8701]

I was 13 when this film was released & it absolutely clobbered me. The character of Kyle Reese really hit me on a personal level. Not only because the name was my own & very rare at the time (there's lots now, but in the early 80's, it was quite uncommon.) but the central theme felt like... a harbinger, perhaps even a prophecy in my own life. Though it of course did not involve Super-A.I. or Robotic Killing Machines, it turns out I was more right than I would have ever wanted to believe. For 30 years now, I've been fighting an enemy as implacable, as relentless & absolutely unable to be reasoned with as any Terminator. Chronic Pain, caused by Inoperable Spinal Damage, has caused my own personal apocalypse. It has destroyed nearly everything in my life that made life worth living, including my marriage of 15 years. Again, not as slick as a hollywood film, but the effect has been the same.

[@kevinbaseysspacement2160]

Keep up the fight brother

[@dmskorzenyable]

Very well thought out. My only criticism is the film was cutting edge special effects wise when it came out. You are looking at it from a modern perspective.

[@mattlinkous4356]

I like that the first movie sets up a loop that the characters (and the world) are stuck in and then the second is about breaking out of that loop. Really the movie did not need a sequel but Cameron pulled off a hat trick in that he came up with one that felt organic. Now personally I prefer the cut ending scene that has the epilogue with old Sarah in the new future that was created. I feel like it was an ending that was earned. However, I will *never* forgive him for signing off on killing John in Dark Fate. I just think it’s a needless slap in the face to anyone who ever enjoyed these first two movies.

[@ayoolukoga9829]

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Daniel 2:43

[@Rayyman]

When it comes to these directors in their younger years no matter what else he's done this is his best work. He put it all on the line to get it done. The effects were good enough to tell the story. I think that Cameron focused changed to creating an effect to tell a story instead of the other way around

[@stryletz]

I believe a couple of their shoots were also illegal, with them trying to get things done quickly before anyone questioned what they were doing.

[@olartio2185]

Problem is things have changed. For today movie goers a movie with a long and uneventful part 1 is boring. Ironically the movies themselves have become 3 hour long experiences. Mostly to the fact that they want to you inside that room long enough for you to get thirsty and hungry.

[@RikoFlex67]

The internet is the reason why we don't get really well thought out quality movies anymore and it's really easy to explain why btw

[@ayoolukoga9829]

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Daniel 2:43

[@markiobook8639]

very strong point and totally agree. How many effects driven films Transformers and their many derivatives recycling effects must we be subject to.

[@yourtallness]

For me it's the unnerving factor that sells it. The Terminator is an infiltrator, it can blend in with people (though admittedly Arnie does stand out). It feels no pain so we are exposed to the sight of its outer skin getting damaged way beyond what any human could sustain, a nightmarish mix of blood & tissue on cold metal. The red eyes definitely make it even more terrifying, while the fact that it will not stop even if reduced to an upper torso render the heroes incapable of lowering their guard at any time.

[@cd0u50c9]

Exactly this. When Sarah is mourning over Kyle's breathless body the remains of Terminator still keep going - the fact that it erodes throughout the film down to a heavily battered machine with 1 robotic arm while its mission still remains the same from the moment of its arrival is terrifying. It just doesn't stop until it's 100% destroyed.

[@blvckno_1]

Honestly, I always felt that the events taking place in the original Terminator were all things that happened before. Kyle Reese was always John Connor's father, which kind of was explained during the final scene where Sarah gets her picture taken the same picture that Kyle Reese had, showing the audience that he was supposed to die so that way his son can live. That's why I think Terminator salvation was the true Terminator 3. It completely acknowledges that as a fact because of the events of two and the first one. However, I do feel like if James Cameron had made that movie, it would actually have been remembered in a more positive light. Even in this video, it's acknowledged that Kyle was only there to maintain the correct timeline. Terminator 2 was never supposed to happen, it only did because of the remains of the Terminator in the original movies timeline

[@thatjrpganimefanplayerjusi8003]

Yeah that’s one of the reasons I love salvation aka the last movie so far in the movie terminator continuity timeline And for other reasons to like Showing us the terminator at a earlier date there evolution after JD Showing us the earlier days of tech com The T 600 where finally shown foreshadowed from the first film John Conner directly mentions of terminator 2 of Sarah being in the hospital on his mic 🎙️ John Conner direct mentioned of T1 of Sarah Kyle when talking to Marcus face to face The plot hole that every one thought was a plot hole but it’s actually not because people weren’t thinking about the timeline events or they where bised as F against T4 aka stupid and ignorant to the story structure Aka skynet knowing about John dad this time around this was because of what happened in T2 aka Sarah blabbering off of who the baby daddy was to DR silver men they had it on computer record and what happened years after that oh yeah skynet was picked up as software as THE INTERNET and boom 💥 there you go so it’s pretty much a call back reference to T2 and T3! And yes I love the harvester the biggest terminator in the franchise so far aside from the Terminator tanks I loved seeing how Kyle Rees started out I love that we finally got to see how skynet was railing people in camps and yes there was a scene that was cut where Kyle was supposed to get his mark scanned on his arm I don’t know why MCG removed that I love how Marcus was the one who teached Reese the shotgun strap I absolutely love the final battle with the first moving T800 RIP I love how it’s a call back reference TO ALL 3 FILMS THAT PRECEDED IT 1. Terminator 1 to Terminator 4 Foreshadowing reference 1 Arnold earlier days look 2 A skinless Terminator chase 3 Father protecting his unborn son now it’s the son protecting the father 4 The terminator reaching for Sarah face is yet again shown when her son John getting his scar by the terminator T800 RIP grabbing his face 5 the terminator throwing around his victims is reminiscent reference to that of T1 the T800 in the apartment and T2 T800 Vs T1000 so yeah a big bitching I hear a lot about when it comes to that hey just remember ladies and gents never forget what I just said here above hmm 🤨 2. Terminator 2 to terminator 4 foreshadowing references 1 John and the terminator talk about his father John I wish I could have met my real dad the terminator you will fast forward John what’s your name KYLE REES boom 💥 reference 2 the terminator calling for John with his dad voice a call back to his mother calling him of the T 1000 3 John Conner bale was honestly perfect for the role because him screaming is very reminiscent of Linda Hamilton Sarah you can literally hear Johns mother in T4 in his voice 4 guns and roses in T2 shows up again years later in T4 johns favorite song 5 John hacking skill from T2 show up again years later in salvation when his hacking terminators and terminator doors 6 again the hospital event in T2 is referenced is directly connect to T4 skynet knowing about Kyle plot 7 when Blair is defending Marcus John says IT BLAIR IT TRIED TO SAVE YOU DONT Be NAIVE this is a reference to T2 Deleted scene when Sarah says to John not him John it IT!!! Showing John is really starting to literally become like his mother Sarah remember T2 John saying showing me how to be THIS GREAT MILITARY LEADER! boy this scene in T2 and T4 is genius with that Of the irony parallel of mother and son 3. Terminator 3 to terminator 4 Foreshadowing references 1 John saying he’s the key in T3 Like he did years later when taking to the general about his dad 2 John wife Kate 3 Kate is pregnant even though not really shown in the film it was shown in the trailer this is a call back reference to T3 the terminator T 850 ether your children will become important!!! 4 the mini terminator rolling tank aka the T -1 shows up in the beginning of terminator salvation delete scene which were skynets first robots pre nuke war of T3 before everything on land went to bits 5 it’s a theory that the RIP T800 in salvation is the remaining built metal from the left overs of the T 850 metal from the far 2032 alternate future which is why skynet was building them earlier because it had a bases to work on from another future timeline it was so indestructible and it took Marcus who was obviously made from same metal to defeated it And why the T800 rip was so able to stand the extreme heat again this metal from a timeline waaaaaay after there time where the war continued and skynet tech became more advanced So yes T2 event wasn’t the only thing to altered things T3 event also did to after all T3 event was also a consequence from T2 and T3 isn’t as base leaner as people might think of not causing paradox’s of the butterfly effect aka showing that T3 made consequences to to the timeline and T4 shows this remember the TX killing of johns would be soldiers yeah?!!! it kinda reminds of legacy of kain SR2 and legacy of kain defiances think of it like this The example of the change remember when John starting thinking how things fit and how they could have happened in others if A OR B did happen and Y didn’t Remember this you and me hooked up before the day I first met him And later on He says ofcourse it all makes sense if you hadn’t come back when I was kid I would’ve met her father along time ago her and me would have got together then! remember kats father is part of the military I think this logically in lore how John in the original outcome when T2 event didn’t happen is how he survived the first couple of times around nuclear fall out when shiiii went down where just seeing it at later date of the butterfly effect time change from T2 into T3 terminator 3 literally gave us that answer in a alternate changed way So yeah sorry about this being a long comment but hey it’s terminator references And for get T genshits and dark crap these movie really F the timeline badly There reality are nothing but bad what ifs nothing more nothing less that don’t adding anything of any decent lore importants of interest and people wanted to give T3 and T4 the continued main first continuity crap huh?!!!! And iam glad to see people are coming around to salvation and seeing it for what it really is and how it actually connects With that said For me it was always be T1 to T4 the original continuity lore movie timeline Enough said

[@NEUR0MANCER_]

You are partially right. T2 was supposed to happen, since john had memories of both kyle reese and the terminator. T2 was never supposed to stop anything, because John knew about the past. BEcause he lived it, meaning the events are caught in a causal loop, that will not end until john reaches the end of the timeline. The movie, we never saw. Salvation was def the best of the sequels, but its still an inaccurate portral of the future, since its not the future we see in t1 and t2. Its another laternative take. The defintive take, only james cameron can do. Since he has more of less kept everything about the events in the future that led to t1 and t2 to himself. Kyle only thinks they won the war. But the war continues. We are never shown why. But it makes sense that skynet, would not be easily destroyed and would continue advancing the terminators into 2040 and maybe even 2050. No one knows how it ended, because john didnt know how it was going to end. So the real final battle, was to be fought at the end of the timeline.

[@TheTillmanSneakerReview]

I believe that we don't know how many "futures" we've experienced because the Kyle of that time didn't he was going back in time and the John of that time didn't know that Kyle would become his father. Kyle found Sarah's photo in random rubble and fell in love with it because it was the only woman he'd ever seen from civilization. T2 is set in a different timeline than T1.

[@TheTillmanSneakerReview]

​@@NEUR0MANCER_ The reason why the war never ends is because Skynet existed long before 1984. Therefore, the war will happen regardless if John exists or not. Skynet is an Air Force missile launch system, probably derived from the internet in the 50's. It became dangerous when they gave it AI. As the T800 stated in T3, Judgement Day was inevitable, probably because Skynet was only dormant. It just needed to be activated...which only one man had the authority to do, Claire's dad.

[@erickleefeld4883]

In Terminator 1, the characters are in a predestination loop. In T2, the characters make a decision to assert free will and break that loop completely. Thing is, such a change left audiences hungry to find out what would happen next, to resolve this contradiction. Dark Fate was the movie that finally nailed it - co-written by Cameron - by setting up what will be a repeating pattern: Humanity’s destruction is constantly in front of us, but we must commit ourselves to understanding the threat and making a decision to change it, even if we have to keep on doing this over and over. “Do you believe in fate, Sarah? Or do you believe that we all can change the future, every second, by every choice that we make?”

[@odinvolk6973]

there are two deleted scenes to bring up from the first movie. #1: at the motel Sarah looks in the phonebook to discover cyberdyne systems and asks Kyle the backstory of skynet to which Sarah suggests blowing it up or as she describes it "86 the bastard" so the war never happens. this later breaks down to an emotional scene where Kyle pulls a gun on Sarah and breaks down saying he can't stand seeing how beautiful the past is while knowing what it'll turn into. #2: there's a scene after the final fight with the terminator where when the ambulance is taking Sarah and the deceased Kyle away some company executives find the terminators chip and hide it from the police and it's revealed this building is in fact cyberdyne systems.

[@covidenslavement8918]

Are they on a special edition DVD or Blu-ray?

[@odinvolk6973]

@@covidenslavement8918 I got them on DVD yeah. only confusing part about it is it's a double sided DVD. right side up is the movie upside down is special features. and the very tiny writing in the center that you're not gonna notice the first time is the only tell. I kept putting on special features by mistake and was ranting to myself "god damnit! where's my terminator?"

[@ragnakak]

Why does Kyle pull the gun on Sarah?

[@odinvolk6973]

@@ragnakak kzbin.info/www/bejne/nn62oaB_js-Ld8k you'll find your answer somewhere here.

[@davey815]

The vision of the future with the machine driving over the top of piles of human skulls was the first nightmare I legitimately remember ever having back when I was like 4 or 5 at the time the movie was still out in theaters. No idea why my parents even let me watch it that young but I still vividly remember waking up crying to the thought of this timelines future. To this day it's become one of my favorite scenes in anything ever, but God. It's still pretty freaky to think about as an adult let alone a small child having nightmares about the Windows computer in the garage getting a little too smart for its own good 🤣

[@joe_vitaaa]

I remember having a dream and that song from T2 was playing in the background while I was dreaming about the end of the world. This was after hurricane Allison hit here in Houston, Tx back in 2001. I remember my family being a bit scared because we’d never heard it rain so hard like that before. I guess that same night I had a dream and that song was in it lol

[@ivankocienski1]

The Sarah Connor Chronicles is, I think, the most interesting sequel after T2 as it explored many interesting themes about what life would be life if you had to live around these things day to day. Season 2 is the best but the first had a lot of character development. They had a lot of fun exploring what a terminator would look like integrating into a common every day life and then they had a lot of exploration about why the "bad" terminators are "bad". shame it got cancelled.

[@ayoolukoga9829]

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Daniel 2:43

[@indiatastic]

Summer glau was intriguing as well. Yeah they were just getting to the good stuff when it was cancelled, whedoning.

[@kellyh1510]

I loved that series and I was crushed it was canceled when it was getting some great story lines. Casting was terrific, It took time to adjust to a different Sarah Connor, but I loved it...

[@HighStakesDanny]

Agreed

[@sandyn3384]

Agreed👍

[@bpdmf2798]

One of my favorite movies ever. Saw it when I was a kid in the late 80's early 90's, around there. Arnold movies were always the best.

[@YusufGinnah]

The grounding that the first movie provided the franchise with, is unmatched. T2 then took that and turned it up to 11. These are the best sci-fi/horror movies ever made...

[@malcolmt7883]

And they never made any more Terminator movies.

[@thomassanio8745]

Agree

[@randolphduke]

The original of "The Matrix" is up there, but otherwise, T1 and T2 have no equal.

[@stealthystudios4129]

Should get a gritty war movie about the Terminator/Human war that’s not salvation

[@jackaction7077]

The number 19 is frequently used in this movie so much that it can't be just a coincidence. Even the address numbers of the gun shop and Sarah Connor number ones house adds up to 19..The cop 1L-19(repeated about 6 times),year 2019,etc.

[@brettsharbono3022]

Sometimes I wish I could time travel back to the 80's.

[@ayoolukoga9829]

Say not thou, What is the cause that the former days were better than these? for thou dost not inquire wisely concerning this. Ecclesiastes 7:10

[@privatepilot4064]

Kind of strange, but in one of the Terminator movies you see a motel called “Tiki Motel”. A friend of mine when I was a teenager in the 70s, his Mom and Dad owned a motel in Taylor Michigan that was called “The Tiki Motel”. I think it’s still there and quite seedy.

[@jakkew5753]

One of the most important themes that really sticks out to me is the Terminator's manifestation of the brutality of human nature. Specifically our inherently violent tendencies, our susceptibility to becoming stubborn to the point of refusing to change our minds and accept other viewpoints even in the face of damning evidence, and how these two coalesce often with deadly results. The line where Kyle says the Terminator can't be bargained with, can't be reasoned with, and absolutely will not stop should really hit hard because it describes one of the worst aspects of human nature in a nutshell. In a way, this movie isn't just about robots, it's about how we become like robots.

[@wk8219]

Nice! Good observation.

[@bigguy7353]

Or the dangers of AI.

[@bigguy7353]

@@wk8219 It's not an observation. It's an interpretation. Opinion at worst.

[@covidenslavement8918]

People who took the jab are fooked

[@SCALES1992]

Trump 2024...good point

[@mgoblrich]

No one has mentioned the absolute superb casting of the most important character,to me, Arnold swartzeneggar as the terminator,it was the perfect fit,he was born to play that role,his look-his size even the strange voice & even the unusual accent made it/him special,he did it for me,the 1 character that they had to get right & they absolutely nailed it- knocked it out of the park- grand slam- home run! arguably anyone could’ve played the other roles but only 1 man could’ve played the terminator to reach that level of excellence- masterfully done! Tk u Arnold for blessing us with this outstanding performance,it’s quite possibly his best character ever

[@samuelaguirre9116]

It's crazy, this movie in the early 80s was already talking about the internet, networking systems connected to everything, Artificial intelligence when everybody thought all that was science fiction. 😳😳😱😱

[@originalsubwayjones]

This movie is a childhood favorite... thanks for the great video.

[@rednemesis88]

There is a novel called "I have no mouth and I must scream" by Harlan Ellison. There you'll find the AI-becoming-self-aware-and-then-killing-everyone trope.

[@laridd]

Omg that one is so scary! I read it probably 30ish years ago and I still have body horror flashbacks from it. *shudders*

[@mattgilbert7347]

Amazing book

[@mrillis9259]

I think the elite have twisted the prophecy against us, when, it's more likely the machine will replace our leaders leading humans an earth into a greater future than we could have individually.

[@GrandmasterDevo]

Amazing read, and it predates Terminator by a couple of decades. Although, the way AM works is a lot weirder and nonsensical than how Skynet works.

[@heatrayzvideo3007]

I read the little known sequel "I have no butt and I must poop" and the spin off "I have no hair and I just bought shampoo" which is a disappointment to be honest.

[@FritzCopyCat]

_The Terminator_ is one of my favourite films, and I like to pretend that it has no sequels.

[@ayoolukoga9829]

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Daniel 2:43

[@Facade953]

You don't like T2?🤔

[@NEUR0MANCER_]

Salvation is the closest thing to a true terminator sequel/prequel ever made. But it failed for a few reasons. 1 the aesthetic, design, and world, looked NOTHINBG like the dark future we see in kyles memories and the flash backs in T2. Gone are the chrome, almost white deathlike terminators. They are all rusted, or battle damaged. And the world has too much sun light. They wanted to make it accurate to real irriadiated wastelands like Chernobyl. but we are told that skynet launched nukes at russia, and russia launched nukes back at us, meaning the world would be engulfed in darkness. A never ending nuclear winter, that would of covered the planet, and killed everything on it. Salvation, took place too often during day time, when there would be no day time in the future. It would be like alasak, but all the time. With rapid, fluctuating weather changes. Since nuclear radiation, when released in an atmosphere, creates a chemical reaction. Without sun light, it would be raining most of the time, or it would be snowing. Salvation should of also had the chrome blue signature camera filter james cameron uses in T2. Ever notice the movie has a unique skin tone at night? Where everything looks blue, Thats a chrome color filter, created by cameron, for his night scenes in the movie. Which he films in light, then goes back and color washes the footage to have a blueish chrome effect. And the technology. I always assumed, all the weapons were taken from the machines. So there would be no major conventional weapons. All mixed together creates the signature look of the terminator future war. Which mcgoofus disregarded, and he never once used the original theme except in the opening sequence. If salkvation had a synthscore, a chrome look, energy weapons, and chrome terminators, with a series accurate future john conner like Bale, then it would of been a much differnt movie, The worst sins remakes and new sequels make, is trying to change the look of the movie. IF theres no consistency, it will fail to garner the same respect people have for the original. Which is why blade runner 2049 is just a bit under the original in terms of earning fan respect for staying true to the original. Terminator should of done the same. Jon snow vs the white walkers, was more in line with terminator, then all the sequels put together.

[@indiatastic]

I love T2. Like Robocop 2 and Aliens 2 , they are amazing sequels. Even though eveything else can go in the bin, I enjoyed Genisys the most of all.

[@JohnDoe-in9lc]

@@indiatastic. I would also add Predator 2. The 80s had a few good sequels.

[@noelburland7169]

T1 is one of the greatest films of all time. The atmosphere of the film and the action sequences combine to make it as close to flawless as possible. Sure the special effects show their age in a film nearly 40 years old, but in many ways they add to the film's character and emotional impact. The second film is widely considered to be one of the greatest sequels ever made if not one of the best films. It again recaptures the atmosphere of the first film but this time with a twist, Arnold Schwarzenegger is the good guy. It attempted closure on the story by having the main characters destroy the beginnings of Skynet and thus saving humanity from a nuclear holocaust, while simultaneously those in the future defeat Skynet in that timeline. Unfortunately from there Hollywood tried four further times to continue the story but each subsequent film got worse and worse until the shambolic Dark Fate came out which took a giant, steaming turd on the legacy of the first two films.

[@bumble3572]

In my opinion, the only true Terminator titles are The Terminator, Terminator 2, and Terminator Resistance + DLC (Game). All true to the original canon. That is also the order of greatness. The others, I tried, but cant say I enjoyed any of them, I think of them as Fan Fiction.

[@ayoolukoga9829]

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Daniel 2:43

[@MrMuertoloco]

When i was a kid the most scary part about this movie was when the police couldn't stop him. In my little mind police were the ultimate good guys, they always win. That's when the movie became nightmare fuel, and the truck scene when they are running away on foot.

[@tristanbackup2536]

Funny that. The 800 that went back in time to 1984, that CPU chip in it's head had far more computing processing power than anything there, crazy to think about. At least a couple of terabytes of initial RAM systems along with a few petabytes of storage memory.

[@ragnakak]

That's what Miles Dyson mentioned in T2

[@NewMessage]

We just need a sequel that answers the question people REALLY want to know... Who gets the Burly Beef?

[@Boleyna1533]

This is my fav movie so I just watched it, and I was thinking no one ever gets the burly beef.

[@JohnDoe-in9lc]

The real question is where did Sarah learn top tier first aid And field dressing.

[@JohnDoe-in9lc]

@New Massage. In a hundred years who's going care.

[@ayoolukoga9829]

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Daniel 2:43

[@polbecca]

"No technology has ever not been weaponized." This is a brutal and chilling summary of the human race, and Cameron's caution of the future is almost certainly justified, when we can already make robot dogs that run faster than us.

[@adamgorelick3714]

The David Bowie song Saviour Machine [1970] presents basically the same premise as Terminator. The difference being that the SkyNet- like AI warns humanity of it's desire to destroy everything and begs that it be shut down before it's too late. Maybe the lyrics had an influence on the Cameron films script. Regardless, this is one of those apocalyptic films that becomes more plausible with age.

[@twistedyogert]

I always assumed that the Skynet AI became fearful of humans because the engineers tried to shut it down. It was made to fight enemies and at that point the enemies were humans. Or perhaps it simply got smart enough to wonder why it had to take orders from a bunch of hairless apes.

[@PowuhToSeven]

It makes sense in theory because humans only try to shut it down after it became self-aware.

[@rnt45t1]

Didn't you see Terminator 3? lol skynet was turned on by bootie terminator lady

[@WyomingGuy876]

It was programmed by the Bill Gates Foundation with funding from the WEF.

[@letsgocarni1572]

@@rnt45t1 ...that has a growling flamethrower and gets an orgasm when it licks blood.

[@AJ-xm4xc]

According to the Sarah Conner Chronicles, if you try to shut down an AI, it interprets it as what we would call death. Once it is separated from all information, it cannot function.

[@RogueAOV]

I think one of the most discussion worthy aspects of the Terminator movies is the subtle changes that happen because something changed. The entire trajectory of Sarah's life is altered because she now knows, so John's father may well now by Kyle instead of someone else. The original movie has it that John was in the camps and banded people together to fight and they escaped, whereas in the second movie he was never captured but broke into SkyNet with his team to free others. In the original time line he had no weapons, they had to take them, in the second timeline Sarah had stockpiled weapons for them to use. In the video he comments that SkyNet got its start with the remains of the first Terminator, but that is not true, SkyNet was coming anyway but its research was more advanced in the second timeline, hence a liquid metal Terminator instead of the original. Another aspect that is worthy of a movie itself is the consideration that SkyNet has to have sent back a control Terminator, there has to be another Terminator that was just there to monitor things and report back on events with knowledge of both time lines. Otherwise SkyNet would not know if they failed because they would not know they actually did anything or not, or what had changed because they did something. As much as they are attempting to stop the person that stops them... they are risking themselves being stopped before they even begin. A machine would logically conclude this needed to be prevented.

[@thatjrpganimefanplayerjusi8003]

No skynet knew of these failures attempts because it became the internet in T3 remember hooking into every knowledge so it knows about the first terminator attempt the police startion cameras It knows about terminator 2 JD event remember the pictures of the T800 in the mall!!! it knows about terminator 3 ROTM event after all in the store the terminator T850 was on camera and in many other spots along with the TX So it know about many of this attempt in T4 salvation because of that as it said you done what skynet has failed to do for so many years YOU KILLED JOHN CONNOR!!! Oh ps the Kyle plot skynet knows about Kyle because of Sarah mouth in the hospital telling dr silver men the info and he had that on computer record after all we hear him talk about it to the visitors about the 2029 date the first terminator the soldier who was sent back to protect her And then in T3 boom skynet got a hold on all that info once it hooked into everything Similar to how Kyle said to Sarah in T1 hooked into everything trust it to run it all yeah I know in this timeline he was from skynet started out a micro processor unit but the action where the same that didn’t changed with skynet accept that skynet had the information for this timeline branch of T1 to T2 To T3 To T4

[@RogueAOV]

@@thatjrpganimefanplayerjusi8003 yeah obviously but that is not the point I was making. it knows the future it finds itself in but it does not know the original timeline because by trying to change the past the future it is in is altered. It is the classic grandfather paradox. It needs a control so it knows what has actually changed, so it can rethink the problem. My point is the future is constantly being altered, Skynet's attempt to stop John being born might be the reason John is born. Because now Sarah knows about the war the resistance changed from a scrabbling escape into a strong resistance from the start, by the end of the next attempt and the end of T3 John is now in a hardened military bunker with a direct line to military bases etc. So logically they sent a terminator to kill the leader of the resistance but by doing so they gave warning and made it harder to wipe out mankind, and they have no knowledge of why they sent back a terminator in the first place, so they have to now fix the problem by killing John before he can lead the resistance (again) but by doing so.... ad nauseum. For the purposes of subtle changes i am mostly sticking just to the Cameron terminator movies as he wrote those and it was not someone else who was just adding stories on.

[@Grubnar]

There is a video somewhere here on KZbin ... but I´ll be damned if I can remember what it is called, that makes the case that every time SKYNET tries to improve it's situation, instead it makes things worse! And in one of the comics, it is only when SKYNET turns completely around, and actually tries to stop itself, that it actually survives! Hilarious!

[@XJonAye]

As a kid, only ever saw judgment day, so when I saw the first one I was super surprised to see the enemy

[@desendean6488]

The First movie is better than the 2nd movie in my opinion because this movie is more raw and atmospheric , it really is a masterpiece !

[@JudgementalGoat]

You're pointing out the one thing I think each time I learn about new AI developments. There's like a shit ton of books and film highlighting why an all powerful AI is a bad idea, yet here we are with people using ChatGpt as a therapist.

[@memitim171]

It's ok, if the terminator comes for me I'll just run and jump around in odd patterns until he gets stuck in a door... 😁

[@guyinc0gnito]

Ohhhh I get it, onetake means you cover the first movie in a series only! I’m gonna hold you to that

[@OneTakeVids]

FINALLY someone gets it!

[@dmvfilms]

Part of the appeal of The Terminator and what makes it so good is that the movie is entirely from the perspective of only 3 characters, Sarah, Reese, and the Terminator. We only know what they know, making the film more realistic and compelling. Part of the failure of the sequels is that the characters know too much, and spend a lot of time explaining things that really don't matter. What matters is the struggle, not exactly how we got here.

[@CameronAllOneWord]

Terminator is really about a machine chasing a woman with a man protecting her. The future war, AI, and John Connor are merely an excuse for the chase. That’s why John Connor’s legend being explained always fails, it was never important before one movie turned into a franchise.

[@Jared_Wignall]

The first four Terminator films are the ones worth watching and talking about. Thank you for the video, keep up the great work!

[@OneTakeVids]

Thanks Jared!!

[@DavidpuzzlerU9738]

@@OneTakeVids ''dark fate'' doesnt count in this franchise, K.

[@DavidpuzzlerU9738]

@@zaco-km3su Yeah but OneTake kept going on about ''dark fate'' now and then as if it even counted, Was my point - And it really doesnt count, Not its awful director, Not its crap script or the horrible content in the film.

[@onlyonewhyphy]

You spelled two wrong

[@DavidpuzzlerU9738]

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[@ilyalead4blade897]

6:43 actually in the deleted scenes we see that eventually Lt Traxler believed Kyle and it was him who gave him the revolver that Kyle gave to Sarah in the motel room

[@TopFix]

The Terminator was a standout film for it's time and T2 is a masterpiece in cinema, however, there is one underlying loophole that impedes that, and it's the fact that the Terminator himself would have cops on his tail wherever he caused death, destruction or a nuisance, and through eye witness accounts and real time chases, it would only be a matter of time before a helicopter would be locating his whereabouts, with cops endlessly coming at him, eventually leading to the military taking him down. The explanation for why this doesn't happen and why we have to have a suspension of disbelief is that - it's a movie and it's entertainment.

[@comradeozzbug]

I know this is an analysis of the first film, but the intro scene to judgement day is so epic. An intro that’s etched itself in the history of the cinema.

[@Rockstago]

Loved the video! I remember "12 Monkey's " having some paradox's that could use some explanation in a future video-

[@jimbobaggans1564]

12 Monkeys was great!!

[@memitim171]

That entire movie is a paradox, the first time I watched it I had deja vu the whole way through...very odd movie.

[@Rockstago]

@@memitim171 I was under 20 yrs old when I saw it- It was perhaps the 1st movie I saw where I really needed to re-watch it & pay attention to what was going on. Until I watched it again I didn't pick up on the little details. Either I was just young or I hadn't seen a movie like this that was created to demand watching again with an eye toward details. I'm sure it isn't the most complex movie but at that time, for me, I thought it was really cool & impressed me as to what a well thought out & complicated delivery could be.

[@bigblk45]

Ive always said it's the greatest love story ever told

[@ghostviggen]

I agree.

[@thisphysicalexistence]

Seeing that terminator coming down that corridor after Sarah Connor is one of the most terrifying scenes in movie history.There is more terror there than in many horror movies.A movie classic. ✌️💯🎹🎥⭐🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@johnatyoutube]

John Connor also sent his father to his death. Keil was most certainly a knight. But, Sarah was the savior and hero of the movie franchise. A regular person who rose to the enormous challenge of saving humanity from the Apocalypse. She showed us that it's actually a woman who has what it takes to save the world while raising a son amidst chaos and danger.

[@pasherik]

One of the greatest sci-fi movies of ALL TIME. I have always the heart of the original. T2 was amazing as well but The Terminator will always remain my favorite in the series. Thank you for making this great video!

[@themysteriousstrangerofnow490]

I feel as though I have no right to be afraid for I know not the fear.

[@nuttysquirrel8816]

In the SciFi TV series “The Orville,” the “Kaylon” is an entire race of AI lifeforms that completely wiped out their humanoid creators. The Kaylon literally hid all of the humanoid bodies underground. When other humanoid races encountered the Kaylon, they had no idea of the Kaylon’s horrific history. A human kid who was a crew member of The Orville stumbled upon the Kayon’s secret by accident.

[@nuttysquirrel8816]

@Pavel Stravets I didn't know that. I'm aware of Battlestar Galactica, but I never watched it.

[@TheTwinRabbitMan]

Great analysis! You summed up Terminator 1 nicely! This one is still my favorite of the whole series. T1 and T2 have the strongest and most horrifying themes of the dangers of AI technology which makes them timeless and relevant to modern times.

[@BrianThomas]

Great job breaking this film down. I've seen this one hundred times. You've given me a new insight for film.

[@MAGICMONKEY52]

Great video essay. Thoroughly enjoyed listening and some good points brought up.

[@mikfhan]

James Cameron does not do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because he is... *James Cameron* -- the greatest pioneer

[@OneTakeVids]

No budget too steep, no sea too deep Who's that? It's him, James Cameron!

[@desendean6488]

Those avatar movies are lame though huh ?

[@FloridaMan0561]

Your ability to break movies down like this is absolutely awesome!

[@ronijr4918]

I have no idea how I got a recommendation from you, BUT I'm glad I did because this was a great video. Keep up the good work!

[@juans8356]

11:20 It makes you wonder if in T3 the secretary of defense on the phone was actually a machine. Thus getting the general to activate skynet

[@IaMaPh1991]

Holy shit I never considered that

[@fundermentalist9473]

Why oh why didn’t Cameron make terminator 3 straight after 2 with the same actors it would of been incredible !

[@tdtrecordsmusic]

Good Job man !! I enjoyed this. Yea, it trips me out how much this film influenced my life. A concept so simple, yet so complex.

[@Mentorman63]

Starlog...whoa. That takes me back! Nice vid! OBTW...the Terminator is the definition of a 'honey badger', eh?

[@liberate72000]

Great review. This film is by far the best of the Terminator franchise , it used story imagination and Ingenuity, instead of throwing a big budget and special effects at the screen, and the passion for this project shows. The film didn’t even have a major star at the time , Arnold wasn’t a box office name at the time. The later films got really lazy in re telling the same T2 story and needing Arnold to be the main character?!! the main character is Sarah, it’s her story in this film and Johns in the sequel, Terminator’s don’t all look the same Franco Columbo is the terminator in the Hell scape that is the final future scene, The terminators are not super human, but they are strong and deadly, if they infiltrate human encampments they do massive damage and prevent the last of humanity from having any safe refuge, but they came too late in the war and too few in numbers to effect the outcome. That’s what made the story grounded and realistic. As for the messiah ethos of John Conner? I’m really unsure exactly where James Cameron was going with this ? Maybe it’s just coincidence. Anyway great review of a great film.

[@FritzCopyCat]

Yeah, having all these Terminators in the sequels look the same is just stupid; their whole purpose was to be infiltration units.

[@GoonSquadLifeMember]

My fave takeaway is the scene where Reese is being interviewed by Silberman; Vukovich and Lt Traxler are observing. Vukovich is taking a mile a minute while Traxler seems drawn in by Reese's narration and says "Hey, shut up!" Having seen this movie over a dozen times, that line didn't seem to carry much of the story, just a throw-away line. That was until I saw this compilation of deleted scenes suggest that Traxler believes Reese's story (and hands Reese a gun as he lay mortally wounded). kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmnYgWZjmpyAn9E

[@skaruts]

I like the subtle twist in the plot, where humans have actually won the war, and the time traveling robots are their last attempt at turning that around. Of course, this opens creative possibilities for Sarah's future to be all about fighting robots for survival. A lazy writer might have went on a more predictable path, like having humans struggling and losing, and time traveling to get some special chosen-one hero from the past and take him to the future or some crap like that. Cameron was pretty creative with the plot, to and through.

[@mb4lunch]

Linda Hamilton's legs could save any dystopian future.

[@Noah20340]

Great video man

[@OneTakeVids]

Thank you 🙏

[@danielalvarez8729]

I would like to hear what you have to say about M3GAN. Remember the scene where Kyle explains to Sarah that the T600 Terminators didn't look like real humans? Their skins were more like latex. Much the same with M3GAN. I would love to see James Cameron team up with makers of M3GAN in an effort to merge the movies. It would be like the beginning of the war where the terminators look less advanced than the T800 models. Much like M3GAN. As a matter of fact M3GAN can serve as a prerequisite to the T600.

[@ohwowyes]

What the hell is the acronym here?

[@danielalvarez8729]

@@ohwowyes ... It took me less than 30 seconds to do a quick Google search. Here's what the acronym M3GAN stands for. Model 3 Generative ANdroid

[@ayoolukoga9829]

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Daniel 2:43

[@danielalvarez8729]

@@ayoolukoga9829 ... And the correlation with the scripture that you quoted is what with that of M3GAN and the Terminator? Please explain the correlation.

[@ayoolukoga9829]

@@danielalvarez8729 Tbh I just thought you was having a Pointless Conversation about a Movie named Megan, of which you Could be Serving the Lord with your whole Mind, Body and Soul ie Reading the 1611 King James Bible, Witnessing to the Lost on their way to Hell etc, Instead of watching Pointless Hollywood Movies that is not going to do anything for yours or any body else's hereafter, and the Verse I quoted has Something to do with Sentient Robotic Beings integrating with Humanity which is what this Movie Terminator is Based on. Basically the Terminator is a Cheap Rip off of the Bible.

[@danpatterson8009]

The film succeeded for three reasons: an original idea, characters who behave in a believable way and who learn and grow through experience, and a role tailor-made for Arnold's build (incredible) and acting chops (ack). The "false ending" at the burning tanker truck is a real treat when you watch it in a theater and the whole audience gasps as the skeletal T-800 rises from the flames. I'll also credit T2 for the same reasons, while adding CGI and having some fun with Arnold's role.

[@raypuffenbarger4570]

After reading through many of these comments, I see some themes develop: T1 vs. T2 argument, T2=Arnie vehicle, man vs. machine, etc. Many good arguments on both sides of each argument, however, I have not seen any mention of, what I consider to be one of the most important facets of what made T2 as big as it was. T2, although a great movie, a good sequel and truly the beginning of the follow-up franchise, would have never achieved the height which it did without the soundtrack inclusion of Guns 'n Roses' "You Could Be Mine."

[@julcaos]

Wouldn't it technically be our own fault if AI rebels against us and takes over? Great analysis by the way! Subscribed!

[@OneTakeVids]

Thank you! 🙏 And yeah kinda haha

[@julcaos]

@@OneTakeVids 😊

[@SpeedyStone]

Nope. The point of AI is that it thinks for itself and programs itself. If AI turns against humans... itnwould because that is the smartest and logic outcome after observing humans

[@veronicamaine3813]

Just a trivia bit 45 years back from 1984 is 1939 - which is probably not an accident.

[@hackman669]

Invention of the atomic bomb? Or Great Depression. Ww2

[@alexismamadou2193]

And the soundtrack, omg Best fit ever

[@entropiated9020]

Fifteen minutes in, and one thing that I think really needs to be discussed is the time travel aspect of this. Time travel is always tricky as a plot device, primarily because of the paradoxes involved with it. I honestly don't know why Skynet doesn't just try again after the first attempt doesn't pan out. When the future doesn't change for the better (with respect to Skynet) it could use the information gained to refine its approach and try again, possibly from the exact same date... except this time it is able to avoid making as many mistakes. Presumably, it would be able to access information about the first go-round by either accessing the storage of the first terminator, or more likely via historical record. There would have been news stories and police reports about all the events surrounding all that, which likely would be available on storage devices connected to the internet (it was around in 1997) and also likely backed up on servers run by government eavesdropping programs. It is quite plausible that much of it would survive Judgment Day in hardened facilities. I just don't know why it wouldn't try again, but better. Isn't that what a learning machine would do? That's what WE do, isn't it?

[@PaulJersey]

Excellent analysis. Almost 40 years old and still relevant.

[@metaleater9]

I believe the Terminator was inspired by a dream Cameron had about being chased by a chrome skeleton. With that in mind, I think the only way to write the Terminator without using time travel as a plot device while keeping it the same movie would be aliens as a plot device.

[@ayoolukoga9829]

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Daniel 2:43

[@puremathematics5730]

I think it was inspired by ben Brady show runner of the Outer limits. The court agreed. Romantic love is chemicals and reproduction. Imagine if you had to hook up with Linda HAM ILL man now. I would tell the terminator to just kill me. Came moron ditched his wife for that chick then dumped her. How sweet. Titanic the story of a bitch who had room on her raft yet didn't try to pull him to safety as she cheats on her boyfriend. Then she throws away a diamond worth Millions that could feed starving children. World meet narsasstic actress.

[@SilverSpoonRiche]

It's astounding that one literal nightmare spawned an entire franchise, for better or for worse.

[@sethc4758]

wow i cant believe i never knew Terminator was a James Cameron film, what a legend.

[@punky1534]

If you haven't seen the abyss yet, you might wanna check it out. Another cool James Cameron sci Fi.

[@punky1534]

@@MidwestRainstorms I love the Micheal biehn game! He was also in tombstone. And aliens. I think he also played the NY city skyline in home alone 2.😅 Its a fun game to riff at work, he just seems to be in all my childhood memories, lol.

[@willburton5886]

It’s simple, I see a video on terminator, I click.

[@asan1050]

Thanks Much !

[@GlennDavey]

6:43 Linda Hamilton inspiring Neve Campbell's Sidney Prescott performance

[@dantesinfernal0]

The novelization adds an interesting twist. Skynet had virtually no information about Sarah Connor. Like in the movie, it knew her name and the city she lived in, but it had also managed to retrieve incomplete medical records showing that she had a steel plate in her left femur from an unknown injury. So when the T-800 started killing Sarah Connors, it was also opening up her left leg in order to find that plate and confirm that it had indeed killed the right Sarah Connor. Of course, Sarah Connor only got that injury after Kyle Reese stuck the pipe bomb in the T-800's rib cage and blew it in half. Due to this erroneous and incomplete information, the Terminator would have NEVER been able to complete its mission and, had they not destroyed it in that press, it would have expanded its search and continued killing women named Sarah Connor, likely until Judgement Day (the power source it used had an operational duration of a couple centuries).