Ooops! Negotiated WAY too hard on this one...

[@k.chriscaldwell4141]

One time, a new firm sent me a cease and desist and threat of a suit out of the blue because of a domain I owned. I had owned this domain for several years. I sent them a letter stating that, based on dates of registration and founding, it was I that actually owned their firm's name, and soon they would receive a cease and desist from me. They countered with a more cordial tone and an offer to buy my domain at a more than fair price. Thing is, if they had just contacted me politely, I would have sold the domain to them for 30 times less than what they paid me, and they would not have had to pay their attorney's anything as well. Bullies bullying had to pay up.

[@franko8572]

#NameThatDomain

[@AugustusTitus]

Sell it to Rabbit for $4K and watch him milk $50K out of the guy.

[@jason200912]

Whos the rabbit?

[@timefortimbo]

@@jason200912 Robert pitts, guy who talks on this channel.

[@patrickbachman2184]

Absolutely DO NOT sell it to Rabbit….without an ironclad agreement that a full length video of ALL the transactions with the aforementioned arsehole are posted within 24 hours of each back and forth communication due to me buying all the Orville Reddenbacher stock I can find!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@pokerus4511]

@@timefortimboif only he asked “Who’s this rabbit guy”. Still remember how He said that line in the video about the Best first day as a car salesman

[@Dagashi6669]

I'd be demanding $30k: $5k initial sale price & $25k in saved 'lawyers fees'.

[@mikemx55]

godaddy quotes for 25 k as for now

[@msaleh93]

Right!

[@msaleh93]

Kaan Kaant i cant stand when people are quick to threaten with lawsuits

[@bbigrocker1]

No sir, that's the wrong breakdown. $5k for the domain, and $25k for putting up with that tool

[@vcolinc]

$5k subtotal and $370k stupid bitch fee.

[@SlenderWatchesyou]

“We’re gonna take it from you.” Ahh in true British fashion.

[@user-ul1pj4vm4n]

O yah pass me my gun and hold my beer

[@elite_riddimzgaming3427]

Rich coming from the country who threatens everyone with nukes when they want something or just find a reason to go to war with them👀🤣🤣🤣

[@SlenderWatchesyou]

@@elite_riddimzgaming3427 bold to assume I like the United States 👀 no country is free of criticism

[@fmotlgreen6814]

"By golly you can have it back, for this is far too laborious to orchestrate with any semblance of frugal regality." - The Modernist British Empire 😏

[@BornIn1500]

@@elite_riddimzgaming3427 1776 said we don't care what the UK says anymore. You hate us cause you ain't us.

[@-Sirens-]

Rule #1 don’t threaten the person you are trying to negotiate and buy something from

[@EdBolian]

The world of domain flipping is very foreign to me but it does seem right up Doug's alley. We will have to see what the other party thinks of this video!

[@edwardgreenjr167]

We need that URL to be a direct link to this video... like yesterday ;-)

[@Widemouth1832]

The IT guy at my old office was very conservative. But, his son was obsessed with underground hip-hop and rap artists. He would buy the domain names of up and coming artists that he heard his son talk about. He would make $5,000.00 a year.

[@LuckyFoxes789]

I'm 30 now but I really wish I was 30 during the .com boom! Man people made millions of it!

[@switchcars]

@@edwardgreenjr167 Done

[@Widemouth1832]

@@switchcars He would show off a new Rolex or Gun he bought.

[@VINwiki]

Some unique insight into the world of car...web sites today! Thanks Doug. Hopefully you find another buyer.

[@jeffpark4003]

Woo woo The Mexican Stig returns!! He is like Ohio's Batman.

[@coffeecidalmaniac]

After a little research it seems Doug registered the domain in 1999, 5 years before the UK company came on the go. So the funny thing is if this is correct if Doug took out an international trademark through the Madrid Protocol he could possibly force the guy to change his company name as he used the name in the market first.

[@switchcars]

Interestingly enough there used to be a dealer in Florida called Cars for Stars LLC....although judging from their defunct FB page, they probably wouldn't give me five bucks for it.

[@stephenhunter70]

I'm wondering why he didn't return with a price range, like maybe $3498 to $5876, not that it would be accepted now. If he does try to make life difficult go after the trademark.

[@jackielinde7568]

If Doug really wants to cheese the guy off, he could start a car locating and rental business in Cali that finds specific cars for the TV and Movie industry. ;) BTW, Ed, speaking of lawyers, You need to have Steve Lehto on this channel talking about some of the fun he's had with lemon law lawsuits and his own foray into the car world. He used to own an Army Deuce and a Half and some muscle cars. He's also written books about Richard Petty, NASCAR, and the Superbirds and Dodge's winged cars.

[@alexdurkin9224]

I saw the words shrewd negotiator and had to click it

[@soonergaming4747]

So I am guessing you watched shrewd negotiations in hazard county

[@closealltabs7083]

Figured it would be Ed. Sadly disappointed.

[@carlossoberano5715]

“My pride has a price. It’s $4k.” 😂😂😂

[@jodydelaney3323]

Should look up some competitors and rent them the domain name so they can link it to their own sites instead, stealing business from the guy when people search for his business

[@Scotch20]

That could actually be a trademark issue

[@V10ViperSRT]

I look forward to to these every day. Thanks Ed.

[@EdBolian]

Our pleasure. Thanks for watching!

[@dasaini]

That background research is a sign of a true shrewd negotiator

[@brettbilger1390]

And the Cars for Stars guy is still not sure where his cat went...

[@joshualingerfelt77]

Brett Bilger this needs more likes

[@davesmith5914]

Genius comment! 😂

[@guskipper1194]

Boy do I hope someone ponies up the $4k and we get a follow up to this one!

[@niceguy60]

“Now that we’ve both established that we’re smoking crack" I thought he was being literal until I watched the vid

[@GearheadDaily]

Can you imagine a world without lawyers?

[@kodyjohnson6294]

In my experience with the court system in the US, it’s basically like a 10 year old sibling argument. The whole thing is an absolute joke, but if you don’t play their game and argue back then you’re going to get screwed.

[@redram5150]

Lionel Hutz can. It makes him shudder

[@bindingcurve]

How do you recommend disputes be settled, pistols at dawn?

[@MianCowell]

Everyone hates lawyers, until they need one. Everyone loves architects, until they need one. Perhaps you need to check out some of the vinwiki stories about how lawyers have got people out of speeding fines?

[@Larcona_]

You have to be a complete idiot to think that's a good thing.

[@brandonbman5921]

I freaking love Doug’s stories. Between just Doug, Rabbit and Ed (of course) I could watch Vin Wiki Car Stories all day.

[@MoreThanMichael]

I have done that. It was a good day.

[@fredericduwe9920]

This is frankly one of the best stories in a while. Really loved how he handeled the situation. I hope we can expect a follow up if the domain does get sold for the 4k

[@thodieousk5853]

Don't you love it how Doug knows what he's talking about! And explains it impeccably for everyone...

[@Liladelph]

The idea of public domains is brilliant but flipping them is a whole other level of genius. Back in the 90s people would just lock in OG domain names as if they were character names in popular video games with the sheer hopes of selling them. I am glad Doug knew his way around the particular set of laws he was up against!

[@joesansone4265]

Doug’s stories are honestly always the best stories on this channel 👍

[@SangheiliSpecOp]

Agreed, he's my favorite story teller. He's very candid lol and his exotic car related shipping/flipping stories are the best

[@coletrickle1775]

I respectfully disagree. Rabbit is my favorite. Ed and Doug are tied for 2nd in my book. Not saying you guys are wrong or anything, just adding my opinion.

[@stratis722]

@@coletrickle1775 Me too lol

[@billnalder1017]

The 'dislikes' on this video were all from the Cars for Stars guy's legal team!!

[@ballinshark]

When your shrewd negotiating skills are so powerful, you plug your domain on a KZbin video about shrewd negotiations.

[@jus__gra]

Well I thought this one would have been Ed.. He did get punched in the face for speeding 😁

[@EdBolian]

True

[@jus__gra]

@@EdBolian Would be hard to forget that episode, Hope you have a good day Ed!

[@godlyobject6509]

Hold up, which one was that?

[@jus__gra]

@@godlyobject6509 just search "Punched on the face for speeding VinWiki" first one 👌

[@godlyobject6509]

@@jus__gra Missed that one. Cheers!

[@officerponcherrello1182]

I’m a Brit and I like this story! If it’s yours, it’s yours- always somebody trying to get something for free and they don’t like it when you shut the door on them.

[@paulcarmi8130]

The dacia Sandero... no wait... cars for stars is taking the UK by storm!

[@sgfreak96]

Two words. "Trademark Distinctiveness." This is an awesome story!

[@MaxximumRage]

Best story ever Doug! Loved it. Thanks for including us with that story.

[@Cobras7111]

“And then my wife started moving the mouse towards my 621 gigabyte work stuff folder” *VinWiki music plays*

[@mikealvarez871]

“So it all started when I stumbled upon this link...”

[@birdman1585]

And to think probably the amount of money missed out by him for just not buying it for 10k. Arrogance at its finest. Good on Doug for holding ground.

[@eatsleepdrive7034]

Shrewd negotiation is starting to seem very important! 👍👍

[@acrvids]

I can relate to this story. Shrewd negotiation is perfectly fine until they cross the line and hit a nerve. And once they cross that line I will NOT do the deal. I was selling an item on eBay via the 2nd chance offer. I offered to sell it to the guy at the price where he got outbid. After a couple of days of haggling over a $50 I was ready to give in and let him have it until he said, "The market value of the item is steadily decreasing. It would do you well to sell it to me. Otherwise you’re going to miss out. I also calculated what it would cost you to relist the item and ship it to another buyer. Your net profit will be much less than what I’m offering you right now."( This was the mild version of what the guy actually said to me in email) So I replied by saying, “OK. No thank you. I’m not interested in going forward. I have another interested buyer. If I happen to find another one of these do-hicky gadgets in the future I’ll reach out to you.” What ticked me off was that he decided to discuss what it would cost me to not do business with him. I couldn’t help but to snub the guy as a matter of general principle when he thought he had me over a barrel. To add insult to injury, I publicly resisted the item and sold it to someone else for less than the first guy's asking price.

[@samuelrush4691]

This is quite literally the best episode of VinWiki I’ve ever watched, epic story. So glad you didn’t sell it to him

[@wingersdingers]

You absolutely can trademark a phrase.....

[@bgj2940]

I'll give you $1 and sign a doc saying I will never sell it to that guy

[@MaxSpeedMike]

No matter the end result, at least you were shrewd and didn't take no BS!

[@peterjoseph8723]

Now carsforstars.com redirects you to this KZbin video😂😂😂😂

[@RadRidesByCru]

No it doesn't.

[@peterjoseph8723]

@@RadRidesByCru it does , I got a security warning at first ,but if you ignore that and choose to continue you'll get the video

[@RadRidesByCru]

@@peterjoseph8723 No you won't.

[@xrayron9557]

Apparently Ed stepped in and bought the site for $250 from Doug... then after watching a single KZbin video...spent $4750 on Search Engine Optimization for Google. He’s now in negotiations with the UK’s 🇬🇧 largest direct limousine for hire service. Their first offer was $50,000 but Ed politely declined and countered with $325,000 assuring them he would wait before notifying ALL their competitors and secondary brokers. Ed had one final statement before boarding a private jet to the U.K. 🇬🇧... “After a lengthy negotiation with their most perspicacious arbitrator we decided to meet somewhere in the middle at 325k... euros 💶” VinWiki music starts playing

[@cymond]

"You can't copyright a phrase, that's not how it works." Wow, this really is The Greatest Show on Earth™.

[@samsonian]

“That’s some nice trolling there, Doug” (-in best Chief Wiggum voice possible)

[@bekidox]

i like how the website re-directs to this video now :D

[@davids.5021]

“.... and she said, well I don’t have a vagina” *VINWIKI INTRO PLAYS*

[@theanomalous1401]

[@214963548]

"Now that we both established that we're smoking crack" 😂😂 killed me!

[@T43B1GD0G]

Doug is so chill 🤣🤣 " no no we're gonna take it from you. " " okay .... cool "

[@joecrancher2008]

Really enjoyed this one, great story, and so glad he didn't give in!

[@ImARealHumanPerson]

"You'd be surprised what our lawyers can do" I'd just reply with "surprise me." 😅

[@1979Malibuick]

Sell the domain name on eBay now, highest bidder takes it! Sit back and enjoy the bidding war!!!

[@clintgliford9941]

Last time I was this early, Ed was still touring small town Iowa.

[@LouisSubearth]

Last time I was this early, Ed's face inside an IndyCar hadn't been broadcasted nationwide.

[@channell11]

I've found that in most interactions it's always best to lead by being nice and putting the other person in a position where they like you and want to help you. Worst case scenario is that it doesn't get you anything and you still have the option to get tough later. But more often than not it can be beneficial. We were looking at buying a car and the dealership tried to tack on all kinds of additional charges and fees-and was insulting when we insisted on paying the price quoted. They finally came back with a good deal, but at that point we were done with them on principle.

[@a1d3nh0]

The guys trustpilot is hammered with 1 star reviews for how he actually operates lol.

[@pablo0832]

Sell it to his biggest competitor

[@Grumpycat95]

I love the way this guy approaches things and I love this channel even more because it shows how the real ballers actually play ans separates the real ones from the guys who own a car and think they're some kinds or some shit , these are the real players .

[@BugBorAT]

One strategy is to put indecent things on the domain which force them to buy it or their reputation could get damaged.

[@RomanoParaSempre]

and both business owners noticed a spike in traffic for both websites today...

[@cedarbay3994]

Good lessons here in negotiating Dudes think there is no harm in low balling and this shows why there is

[@kpetree10]

This is great, I ended up looking up the WHOIS before the video was over. What I want to hear is the story behind why Doug owns prodrumlessons.com.

[@LouisSubearth]

Idk, maybe one of us can try negotiating a car for that domain and we can get a Car Story out of it

[@podkriznikaljaz]

That was the best opening line! :D

[@briankearn3965]

When the buyer changes the tense of the negotiation ( instead of making an offer on something you've told them is not for sale, they ask what you want for it) then tell them to get lost because you can get into a legal situation that your not bargaining in good faith. When they try turning you into a seller instead of them as a buyer you know you're being conned. Don't try to be all cool about and think you can out con them. They have thought long and hard about this and have got more ways to get you than you've thought up to get them. Just tell them to walk away.

[@DaneTrain824]

I rather enjoy seeing/hearing about when someone's flex goes horrifically wrong. Even better when someone is trying to take advantage of someone else that they think is less intelligent. Great story!

[@mikeaninger7388]

Totally awesome decision! It almost makes me want to buy it from you to help you out, and then sell it to him for twice that, just to burn him.

[@LapoftheWorld]

Sometimes it's just the principle of the thing...

[@coleboonecustoms]

The best entrepreneurs refrain from emoting during negotiations.

[@Cursedjinxgaming]

That's a great story man. It's sad what people are willing to say and do to get what they want

[@Miata822]

Damn. Worth the 4k just for a laugh. God that would be fun. Unfortunately I'm in a troll recovery program and I'm sure my sponsor would shut me down,

[@jeffarto8340]

Awesome stories Doug!!! Very truthful and great advice!!!

[@LurkMe]

Redirecting the domain to this video is probably the most evil genius thing ever LOL

[@michaelhowell2326]

Carsforstars.com will sell today, and there will be multiple offers just to punk the Brit.

[@michaelweston2285]

you had me at "smoking crack"

[@SilentKnight43]

Awesome story 'cuz it's so reminiscent of a similiar situation my company had with another company that tried to legally intimidate us with trademark infringement on a domain we owned many years ago. Same scenario - our companies were in two separate countries, and the only commonality in the domain was the adjective 'Wicked'. After being contacted by their "in-house" attorney with threats of lawsuit...I contacted my own attorney for legal advice. He suggested we offer to sell them the domain - but ask a ridiculous price. Similiarly, we weren't making much use of the domain at the time and hadn't generated much traffic to it...so I opted to offer it for sale. We negotiated back and forth and we ended up selling it for substantially more than we could have earned from it in revenue. Two years later they allowed the domain to expire (lol)...and as tempted as I was to re-register it again...I left it idle.

[@チャーリーブラウン-w8l]

“No ya didn’t ... No ya didn’t...” Doug 2019

[@JRC99]

Reminds me of a scene from the Blues Brothers

[@astick7777]

Doug has a thousand stories, and I have thoroughly enjoyed them all!!

[@Sean-John]

I Start My Day Watching VinWiki Everyday

[@astick7777]

SAME. And Joe Rogan of course.

[@speedbuggy16v]

LOL, I hope that domain gets passed around to troll that guy forever.

[@fiercenet]

Time to start flooding carsforstars.com with links and hits so the domain valuation skyrockets. shrewd negotiators assemble!

[@zebarias]

Cool story. If you end up selling it, please come back and tell us all about it LOL

[@Anthony-rv3hr]

I'm sure the traffic to that URL has spiked a bit after this video.

[@TheTruthBeToId]

Now that there was a prime story with a lovely ending.

[@MAG_4]

I just knew with the title this was a Doug story, I was not disappointed!

[@jackielinde7568]

I wish I could buy that domain name from Doug. I don't have the money to build the business around it, let alone the asking price for the site that Doug wants. If I were to get it, I'd probably create some sort of car rental or matchmaking service catering to the TV/Movie industry.

[@messagedeleted3526]

“And this is when I realized I bought a kids size t-shirt...” *VINwiki theme song queues*

[@eloetric3140]

Would anyone else be more than satisfied to have the lifestyle of anyone that has ever been on VinWiki ?

[@comdrive3865]

hit the nail.

[@SangheiliSpecOp]

Hahaha yeah the multiple stories that everyone has on this channel is insane. Meanwhile I gotta be at my shitty job in 40 minutes.... LOL

[@blapbros]

I like when you type the domain in, it links you to this video.

[@lozz0dnb]

Make a parody site of his Limo business on your domain so it annoys him but he can't sue you as parody is fair use

[@00BillyTorontoBill]

did a search... "Cars for Stars was set up in Northamptonshire in 2002 by two brothers, Stephen Hughes & Andrew Hughes. The business started trading in 2003 as a limousine hire franchise bringing something new to the industry. Although neither Andrew or Stephen’s backgrounds included transportation or the leisure industry, combined, they had a great mix of marketing, sales and customer service skills. In 2005 Cars for Stars was named runner-up as Limousine Operator of the Year in 2006, voted Limousine Operator of the Year in 2008 the company relocated from Northampton to London to focus on the growth. The in 2010 Cars for Stars was acquired by the UK’s largest luxury transport hire network, TBG HQ (Transport Broker Group). This meant that Cars for Stars merged with a much bigger network, giving the brand more room to grow. TBG decided to restructure the franchise operation and focus on the brand growth as an agency for limousine operators."

[@FuZe.]

"...So I made a discovery that my wife had not been using her birth control" *VINwiki theme plays*

[@saratc660]

“I knew that if I grasped it any tighter, I would probably pass out” *VINwiki music starts playing*

[@lawrenegummy4736]

I'm glad you didn't sell the domain.

[@ZisisKoukoumakis]

I was going to offer my services and create a fake website for free, just for lols but then I saw that the domain redirects to this video. Well played!

[@jbr_cava]

Love it. And yeah pride does have a price sometimes

[@markplain2555]

min 8:15 "People who yell the loudest never back it up...." . For starters, I have a deep knowledge of Trademarks, he is absolutely right about the nuances in the Trademark laws (vs copyright). But most importantly, he has very practical knowledge of how the lawsuit is implemented. . This video should be used in business schools - related to negotiations and Trademark law. Every step of the way he has shown a mastery of how to practically negotiate. Void of emotion, he is absolutely able to say, we are both smoking crack on our first offer, now let's find some common ground. . It also shows that if the UK person had not been lazy, done some investigating into the website owner, he would have seen that the owner did draw value from the website and would have to have prepared a more valuable offer (rather than a mere 500 bucks). . you know, a simple phone call and "pleasant discussion" could have resulted in getting a gut feeling of the website value, making a new friend and more reasonable offer that would result in a successful transaction. . Instead the Brit chose to do some sort of lazy childish hard ball and got no where.

[@pops55650]

Ask the guy if he would be willing to sell his domain names instead lol

[@JaghataiK]

Love your stories Doug, but how is “reselling allocations” different from scalping?

[@Silver99_YT]

I love the pettiness! Lol

[@BrownSofaGamer]

You know Doug set up that VinWiki intro moment on purpose.

[@jamesroberts3642]

Fun fact....This never happened...This is just a way for him to get someone on KZbin to buy his domain for 4k (-;

[@16vPete]

One of the best stories yet!

[@mikevanblommestein5726]

Just new to the channel , Doug is a very engaging speaker and played that hand quite well IMO

[@CarswithNash]

Sounds like both guys were trying to prove who was the bigger man, in the end they both lost...

[@onetwo3706]

Exactly, terrible negotiators the both of them. Too much ego and stubbornness.

[@michaelmadl250]

"let's start at we're both smoking crack" 😭

[@richb8131]

Need 2 start dropping links to this video all over that company's social media footprint