OoT Reverse Boss Order by N3rdsWithGame [Commentated]

[@Memo-yh4nc]

Now that I've finished watching this 11 months late (I took a bit of a break from speedrunning for a time) and now that I've watched this I have to say I enjoyed it. It was unfortunate about the desinc that took place but that doesn't make this demonstartion or glitch exhibition and less enjoyable to watch. In fact it even showed us some glitches which we originally weren't even going to see along with the alternatives. I'm espically proud of N3rds determination of making this run complete in the time frame he was given. I know that if it was me in his position I would probably start trying to fix the run for about 30 min before giving up and crying on my bed. But N3rds not only finished it but still made it enjoyable to watch. If you're reading this N3rds then I want to tell you I'm proud of what you've done here today (actually now that I think about it, it's actually been 11 months) and I'd love to see more of your Lotads and Tas's in the future. If anyone gave you a hard time after you made this then while you should take in the genuine constructive criticism just ignore the hate because you don't deserve it and I want to see more of your work in the future. Don't get discouraged and keep up the good work!

[@Rigbyedits]

Memo 90 yeah I'm watching a little late too haha

[@KyleSpeedruns]

Rigby im watching in 2018

[@wholelottastairway8]

im watching again for the third time. been binge watching the challenges the past week after seeing them all(3 pause is the best by far imo). n3rdswithgame stumbling over words constantly is much worse than the desinc imo. bad/weird movement is when keeta gets all over it, and that's when you know the commentary is gonna be good

[@SuperNintendawg]

What a nice comment!

[@LuckyNumberSlevn]

@@KyleSpeedruns wth you talking about, its 2022

[@z0ink5]

*I ' M G L A D Y O U A S K E D*

[@MegaDysart]

1:20:11 "Why do you need to wash your hands after calling your mom?" *35 seconds of silence*

[@themeeman]

Why are people complaining about the commentary, this is actually awesome.

[@brandobatel]

Kaz is a legend

[@coooolibri]

im more astonished by the fact that the other 2 people arent mentioned at all.

[@Fireblaze3127]

needs more sonic highschool tbh

[@2010Cortana]

i only the bit from oot 100 % 3 pauses, where is more of it? :D

[@redpenguin111]

all dungeons 2 pauses has a section during the guay hover where Keeta tries to keep reading it.

[@MetroAndroid]

The lore of this run is that this is what happened after Zelda sends Link back in time. He has to go on his entire adventure in reverse back to the beginning.

[@mar3oner315]

MetroAndroid that would defeat the whole purpose of him doing it in the first place lol just for him to get sent back in time to do it again in reverse? Makes no sense to me lol

[@MetroAndroid]

Mar3 Oner It's not that he goes back in time, then does everything in reverse. The process of going back in time IS going back through the whole adventure in reverse, back to the beginning.

[@chobochobus]

and he keeps his memories and tells Zelda about ganondorf

[@TakaiDesu]

He undefeats every boss, revive all enemies, give back all things he got to the owners, plant a lot of chests with items, rebuild a lot of vases and restore dead plants with his sword, until he goes home and go to sleep. This is our hero ✨

[@Lucrecious]

Kaztalek's commentary kills me man hahaa fun run and nice commentary!

[@marcgomez8391]

Wow, he wasn't kidding when he said there was going to be a big drop in gameplay quality... I love it.

[@dubstepdishwasher977]

Oh my God keeta I love your commentary so much

[@keksidy]

Link avoiding Ganondorf is me avoiding a big project I know is 4 days late

[@reynoldskynaston9529]

Every time kaztalek speaks is pure gold

[@Trakinasnove]

I think Nerds should re-do this LOTAD, and do Jabu as adult, now that Equip Swap is a thing

[@MaddoScientist0]

very entertaining, I never saw anything like this before

[@theSato]

glad that this video exists now

[@Mr_Fourshot]

I love the sarcastic comments, it made this TAS speedrun but fair doos to the the taser coz TASing is some serious tedious shit. Keep up the good work.

[@TheMatherGamer]

Keeta's adamant defense against spoilers is appreciated. Spoilers are my biggest pet peeve.

[@AntiJewluminatiDwarf]

there's no such thing for OoT granted I've kept up on all the tricks since it started to be speed run (ran? lol)

[@controlaltdelete4165]

@@AntiJewluminatiDwarf first of all wether you know the tricks or not its spoiler because you want to see what they will choose and why as its happening its not as exciting if they say whats gonna happen like 40 min in advance its a like a puzzle and wanna see ehat they choose

[@The_mario_fan]

Swordless link did something similar, although it was a series and not a run. But anyways, I was very excited to see this in my sub box. Can't wait for next year's!

[@n3rdswithgame800]

Swordless did reverse dungeon order, while cool thats not as cool since you can *semi-easily* get to any dungeon at any time. It doesn't require you to ww to gannon.

[@The_mario_fan]

N3rdsWithGame - That was a surprise in this run; I wasn't expecting Ganon to come before Ganondorf.

[@metleon]

Watching a Lotad while there's a Lotad in the gym near my house in Pokemon Go.

[@awoolensleevelet]

love these lotads :D

[@neloru1122]

Woolen why dont you do speedrun on your channel?

[@StevePlayingStuff]

I've always felt bad for n3rds about this run as he really put in the work but was shit on by a desync and a deadline :( Would love to see a version 2 of this with a modern route and without the pressures that messed with this run, like with MM 2 pause

[@KyleSpeedruns]

I’ve got something cooking stay tuned

[@jweenie]

HEY GAMERS!

[@minerharry]

A good video of RBO, short for Reverse Boss Order. Not to be confused with RBA, short for Reverse Boss Ass-kicking, a commonly used casual strat that involves doing the reverse of kicking a boss's ass: getting your ass kicked by the boss. As it involves several deathwarps, it is commonly shied away from in speedrunning.

[@alexsanz9916]

01:20:30 best part of this L.O.T.A.D by far

[@SilentOnion]

zfg lauging at the cuccos :D

[@dr.ambiguous4913]

This is awesome. Shocks me that it's even possible.

[@Iamnikan]

Thatpotatoisaspy until there is a easier way to kill ganon and void our, as well as ww to the end of castle collapse, probably not possible, but pretty plausible. always loved the idea of reverse boss order after super metroid.

[@dr.ambiguous4913]

Iamnikan You mean possible outside of a TAS? Yeah, it probably isn't. I just meant that it's amazing it's technically possible within the game itself. It's just amazing how different you can make your playthroughs using glitches in these games.

[@thinkingfubuki]

In a way, I actually kinda liked hearing the stories of how things went wrong, not because they went wrong, of course, but rather because I feel like some people don't understand the kind of work and time that TASes take Hearing why things suddenly become unoptimal at certain points and witnessing evidence of mistakes that haven't been ironed out helps flesh out in my mind what it means to make a TAS and what kind of work it takes to reach the level of perfection often seen in them, so even though we see some unoptimal movement and whatnot here and there, it's fascinating to hear why, in my opinion 🤔

[@ultraaug5252]

37:18 but first we have to build up speed for 12 hours

[@brett1908]

The lotad squad excuse me

[@Nico2718_]

This is such a nice run idea, I really enjoyed it! I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure now SRM makes every bit of this run completely outdated 😅

[@TLTheLegend]

I mean you can always just ban SRM

[@Thehamsterofmuppets]

This makes me so happy

[@Self-Referential]

That Raru forehead thing can't be an accident. It must be like a tattoo or something.

[@Khronosian]

I absolutely cannot wait until February. Has the run been decided yet? Who's gonna be there? Will you continue Sonic High School this time? I gotta know, man.

[@Kaztalek]

Khronos_ the run is decided. It'll be Majora's Mask, by me. You'll have to stay tuned for more details

[@Itosalix]

... don't say "I wish I had 40 bombs".

[@brett1908]

The lotad is back

[@pyromaniacdave4821]

When that Keeta guy tries to sound epic he ends up sounding like the guy from Postal... "oooo, ouch, that cant be good..." "You probably thought you weren't gonna die today, SURPRISE"

[@brunoberganholidias5790]

"Stay tuned..."

[@nicefighter]

pretty sure the discovery of ganonfloor makes this challenge RTA viable

[@pythania]

And now 100% Reverse Bosses.

[@CasualGraph]

I guess you could say the optimization was a tad lo...

[@jamesgaming7198]

At 37:17 he builds up speed for 12 hours.

[@Cd62004]

This is so cool is there a updated version of this run somewhere

[@Lolo-ep1pk]

why do they keep saying my name wtf

[@KyleSpeedruns]

LotadAlittle lol

[@estebanembroglio6371]

its 2024 and keeta roasting clint stevens is hilarious

[@chronold1246]

work of art!

[@Znernicus]

thx for the upload

[@rtyuik7]

15:25(ish) - Adult Link's ears (as in, Both of them) are indeed pierced when Child Link's are not...this isnt exactly "explained" in-game, but its hardly a Secret lol

[@avix3212]

31:24 i even tried restricted items anywhere on the 3ds version for farores wind to warp to the end and it still doesnt work. and also its a coded failure.

[@harrymaster001]

I hope we can see awesomeness in this february 21st

[@Kaztalek]

you're in luck

[@manusdexter7250]

This is amazing

[@goopi_eh]

Still waiting on that low-pause WW LOTAD :^(. Otherwise, fantastic run, the things that are done for the sake of February 21st are magical.

[@chronold1246]

gotta see more tas from n3rdswithgame

[@TheUltimateRare]

this was fun.

[@DlcEnergy]

1:54:25 you know this is a low tad. eh, i mean... LOTAD

[@ifasurfers]

Any updates on Wind waker low pause ?

[@isaacstewart2281]

How about doing the last boss, then the first, and keep going like that until you complete all?

[@Kaztalek]

why tho

[@isaacstewart2281]

FOR THE CHALLENGE! "Anything can happen in OOT"

[@k-intefleush4934]

Kaztalek Because we can.

[@anda3487]

Pingpong boss order

[@georgeerniej]

So why is "doom jump" a bad name?

[@pillowtalk__]

*Doom Jump*

[@georgeerniej]

But doom jump is a sick name

[@1quidam]

How come your health was fully restored after resetting at 1:59:30?

[@1quidam]

1:59:15 **

[@ilovesmok]

Any save warp restores you to 3 hearts if you are less than that. Above that, however, your health stays the same.

[@AquaticFGC]

these get released on my birthday :)

[@davidwood7601]

poor zfg, happy birthday by the way

[@disfiguringthegoddess1102]

Back when jabu ww, was still not known. Man....

[@dustinfurness2155]

I know this TAS is old now but now it should be possible to do reverse boss order without SRM with the ganonfloor glitch but trying to void out upon the final sword stab on ganon is still going to be difficult. A lot less set up to get to ganon as the first boss though. With SRM this would be mostly a joke category with unrestricted SRM where you could basically bring up a menu and select which boss in which order you want to fight against and with restricted SRM you still have the glitched grotto, title screen file, plus the adult, FW, and medallion SRMs. Now they need to see if it’s possible to do every dungeon plus every boss in reverse order (including side quest dungeons) so no entering a dungeon to wrong warp to ganon. Is that even possible without SRM yet? Get over that hurdle with RBA allowed and the rest is a lot easier because could just RBA broken sword, get the light arrows, trial skip, and beat ganondorf. After that GTG. After that spirit temple with only minimal glitches (have to cross the gap in broken bridge and no hammer). Shadow with only a glitch to enter the dungeon in the first place. Water temple no iron boots but could still beat the dungeon without any insane glitches. Ice cavern without glitches. Fire temple without glitches. Forest temple without glitches. Return to child and Jabu without glitches (maybe bombchu to enter first room and go get the boomerang right away). With all of the items have already DC and Deku would be a piece of cake even without glitches at the end. Could almost separate reverse boss order into multiple RTA viable categories: 1. Unrestricted SRM - make the menu pop up and just select the scene that also allows you to change ages between bosses 2. Restricted SRM - all the SRM glitches ZFG used at GDQ to get the warp anywhere grotto and all the items to beat all of the bosses as child plus a glitch to shoot light arrows with slingshot I saw someone use for ganondorf as child 3. Glitched No SRM (use ganonfloor to get to ganon but otherwise don’t go to any dungeons except in reverse order as long as there’s a viable bottle on B method without the use of explosives like stealing the fishing rod) and then could RBA glitched bomb bag or grab bombchus in ganon’s castle, gtg, spirit temple, and bottom of the well before eventually getting a normal bomb bag. Getting into DC in the first place might take some work if not allowed to get bombchus but I’ve seen plenty of people do RBA to give themselves bombs before hookshot and it did not require stealing the fishing pole because there’s a convenient place with water right outside kakariko to RBA the adult quest items and there’s also BA for hammer and stuff of that nature in case that is relevant. Could also just BA for the light arrows as well instead of RBA for the medallions. 4. As glitchless as humanly possible (still glitched for the early part obviously but get down to ice cavern, fire temple, forest temple, jabu, DC, and deku tree could be completely glitchless and then only one last glitch to get to the credits) - for this category could be ranked similar to low% in that each glitch is a point against you so that a method with fewer glitches but with a slower time is still the winner. Force you to find a way to use the smallest number of glitches and only enter DC one time out of order for ganonfloor and a series of glitches that make that possible until a method is found that doesn’t require as many glitches or entering a dungeon. Not likely to be anything like that so entrance point glitch and the bomb hovering and the actor duplication to unload the floor and whatever because it is better than beating Gohma, KD, or Volvagia before ganon and SRM banned in this category. After that would it be better to RBA medallions or bomb hover to get to ganon’s castle? You’ll need light arrows so maybe BA plus bomb hover is worse (2 glitches, 3 if you count ISG) than RBA (1 glitch) so you opt for RBA medallions. This way when it comes closer to deku tree and gohma at the end of the run it’s 100% glitchless (you decide for yourself if basement skip allowed or you need to go the long way in terms of points). The thing stopping BA light medallions from being fewer glitches is that you grab master sword at ganon so save warp would mean you’d no longer have them going that method so you’d need to get the real light arrows without beating shadow or spirit and RBA is good for that because it also makes the rainbow bridge so with a trial skip (fewer glitches than beating the trials without items) you can beat the rest of ganon’s tower plus ganondorf the intended glitchless way.

[@Jabberwork.]

Was the commentated TAS of 2018 the All Dungeons No Doors that is on ZFGs channel? And is a run beeing made for 2019?

[@Kaztalek]

the 2018 tas was All Fairy Rewards, No Human in Dungeons on my channel. The plan is to have another run for 2019.

[@debiantheidot2890]

KId bosses : Ganon, Witches, Bongo Bongo, Morpha, Volvagia, Phantom ganon, Adult bosses : Mahandla ( Forgot name XD ) Dinosaur, Gohma Oh dear The kid bosses would be long because the Weak Kokori sword

[@oebeloeber]

Chase Macdonald dinosaur lmao

[@52flyingbicycles]

Barinade and Dodongo

[@SuperNintendawg]

You cant do Twinrova (Witches) as child because you need the mirror shield. Bosses might be a bit longer but with Deku stick jump slash and power crouch stab, it's not that bad.

[@trentthen642]

1:22:54 haha this just shows how long ago this was

[@BruceShankle]

Trentthekid64 2 Wow, they thought BoTW was a joke

[@linkVIII]

@@BruceShankle idk, I feel the same way as zfg right now

[@linceed]

Oh my god I can't believe this existed and I didn't know about it. I loved the 3 pause OoT LOTAD (the MM 2 pause run is better)

[@SuperNintendawg]

Gerardo Ortiz Mildare you didn't like the wonder of watching the zelda cutscene 5 times???

[@jordanhsquared]

SuperNintendawg zelda cutscene 5 times was the best part of the run

[@SuperNintendawg]

Knuckles the Echidna truly. It was so exciting I passed out

[@minerharry]

Also, when you see the tasser uses classic strats that even I use (a filthy wannabe)

[@futuramaguy3876]

As kid it took me 3 months to beat water temple lol

[@hoodedman6579]

These LOTADs make the DK64 ones look like masterpieces... Not that it was bad or anything, but the optimization is certainly a few pegs lower.

[@folwar96]

He did spirit before shadow, this run is now invalid babyrage

[@TheMatherGamer]

Does this mean we need to wait an entire year for the next Lotad?

[@Kaztalek]

no, it just means one is guaranteed every year. i'm hoping to finish one of my own before then

[@redrubber4535]

Kaztalek would you make one of oot or mm?

[@Kaztalek]

RedRubber MM

[@t1glistenerelf]

Maybe something about how many A presses it takes to do it in? (^-^)

[@juanvargas4251]

ZFG was there?

[@minerharry]

25:19 zfgSplice?? Also 50:28

[@LoosGuccreen]

1:47:46 that "oh my god" killed me

[@LoosGuccreen]

the "wait what" at 1:53:05 also kills me

[@t1glistenerelf]

Both great moments! (^o^)

[@2awesome292]

Fight all the adult bosses as a child and all the child bosses as an adult...

[@SuperNintendawg]

you cant fight twinrova as a kid because you need to aim the mirror shield :(

[@guacre2675]

@@SuperNintendawg Well, he just said fight, he didn't say win 🤷

[@jaycourteau]

TODAY IS MAY 21ST

[@Codricmon]

Putting the LO in LOTAD, I see.

[@beardalaxy]

14:32 i'm dying xD

[@eden-u7c]

Where did the bombs come from after turning adult?

[@Kaztalek]

when you pick up the master sword for the first time, link's c-buttons are always set to nuts, bombs, and ocarina, regardless of if you got them or not

[@eden-u7c]

@@Kaztalek Cheers! Looking forward to Feb. 21st

[@KingofRock943]

RBA: Reverse Boss Adventure

[@disfiguringthegoddess1102]

Rare bird adventure

[@kozstandsya1494]

where is ya boi venick

[@Kaztalek]

Leon Nie he will appear in a future lotad, don't worry

[@kozstandsya1494]

sweet

[@theSato]

and cafde?

[@Kaztalek]

stay tuned. tww low pause maybe

[@kozstandsya1494]

oh yes Cafde puts the TA in LOTAD

[@Cubelarooso]

Nice Family Guy meme.

[@jessejaremka3456]

Why he spelling so fast???

[@PoisonSpecs]

You didn't do that. You can see it is a fake at 3:08.06 (in game) time. Someone else did that.

[@Kaztalek]

n3rdswithgame made the run. he, zfg, and i watched it together to do commentary over it. the run is very much real

[@zassovirtual]

Name shouldve been esreveR

[@zekeram129]

I once accidentally did Spirit Temple before Shadow Temple.

[@disfiguringthegoddess1102]

I honestly think you're supposed to do spirit before.

[@spazzofspeed]

beep beep. beep beep. beep beep. beep beep. beep beep. beep beep.

[@Caboose1234]

"This isn't pre-recorded" Literally all of their beginning commentary indicates that it's pre-recorded. It wasn't until "this isn't pre-recorded" was mentioned that pur dear runner went from speaking in past-tense to present-tense.

[@NEVERDOORS]

do this work on mm3d

[@coneycooljay6023]

Low optimization commentary xd zfg

[@disk0__]

ZFG's bottom really thinks he's funny

[@iceythecube]

so you ate watching someone's playthrough and commentating over it?

[@oozly9114]

Chronic Icey no

[@everythingpony]

Chronic Icey yes

[@themusicofbabyeinstein3784]

No, since the guy who did the playthrough watched it too.

[@caus909]

"Reverse boss order" And then you did twinrova before bongo bongo :'( Who cares what Navi tells? She says useless things for the whole game. In the official resources (medallion position, song position, ...), shadow is last. Yeah, I get it that a lot of people actually do Shadow first and end with Spirit, but who cares? Technically you can also do Forest as your last dungeon, or water, ... When doing specifically a reverse boss order, what matters is the OFFICIAL boss order, not the one people are used to

[@KyleSpeedruns]

You are correct by the order in the pause menu, but the rule was to do them in reverse of what Navi tells you

[@Moony_Os]

ZFG says this run is too difficult for humans, but I feel like it was even more difficult to refrain from telling the annoying "stay tuned" commentator to stop trying to talk in an epic announcer voice.

[@DagothBob]

I keep hoping they'll just mute n3rd and let keeta do the commentary

[@DagothBob]

please find someone else to do next year's lotad. that half life 3 joke during LA was GDQ-bad

[@emmagay123]

Dude it's some guy with no experience streaming talking to an audience of 1800. Give him a break

[@n3rdswithgame800]

Dagoth, you do realize I was the author. Also as Chip mentioned this was my first time explaining stuff to a large stream. Sorry it didn't go well in your opinion. What in particular did you think I did wrong, I'd like some constructive criticism in case I get another opportunity in the future.

[@emmagay123]

You should try streaming sometime to get used to talking to an audience. I don't mean to be rude but it's fairly obvious how nervous you are and talking on stream might help improve your commentary. You should also get some experience doing RTA runs since the lack of experience is pretty obvious at times (e.g. sidehopping everywhere as adult). Awesome lotad nonetheless and I hope that you'll make more ^-^

[@n3rdswithgame800]

Chip, those are all good points, thank you. I don't see you as being rude, I asked for constructive criticism and that is what you gave. These are things I will keep in mind the next time I work on a project like this. Zanguusu, thank you for that.

[@lpsp442]

I appreciate the video, but the commentary is really excessive and distracting. Between spoiling events before we see them, explaining things twice in a row, and general unfocussed rambles, I just found it unpleasant. Someday youtube will allow us to have seperate soundtracks per video and we can mute commentary if it bothers us, but otherwise it's important to know that less is more. Commentary is a vehicle for bringing in outside context foremost, and a minimum for anything else. Rhetorical questions and inside gags are a no-no.

[@Kaztalek]

well put. this was n3rd's first attempt at making a lotad + commentary and i think he learned a bit from it. as for the rhetorical questions, i'm probably just always gonna do that. forgive me lol

[@Kaztalek]

i do want to have more helpful commentary in the future so it's enjoyable for people to watch, while still keeping it fun. it's important to me since i plan on doing more soon

[@lpsp442]

That's a damn good attitude towards feedback. I look forward to any future commentaries.

[@lpsp442]

Having taken the time to watch the video a second time and get to know the commentators by name, the problem really is Keeta. I hate to pick on one person, but the guy has one gag that wasn't particularly witty the first time, and he repeats it *constantly* throughout the video. He speaks more than the other commentors, *and* it rarely contains any content about the run. Above all else, Keeta keeps taking the focus off of this very interesting run that we're trying to watch and brings it onto himself - his opinions, his interests, his little performances. I'm being a tough nut about this, and Keeta is sometimes funny and clearly a good sport, but the guy gets very carried away - he seems very unaware of how repetitive, and at times dismissive, his intrusions get. N3rd is clearly a new commentator, but he honestly commits few sins and given that it's his own work that we're watching I think he gets some leeway.

[@Kaztalek]

lol, that was me. i can take the criticism, but i do want to defend this a little bit. given the context that this was originally streamed on zfg's channel, the chat was getting impatient with some of the sloppier sections or more struggling commentary. given my limited knowledge of oot, i gave some effort to lighten up the atmosphere a little bit. last year's lotad (oot 100% in 3 pauses) was kind of the same deal, where some people loved my bit while others hated it. definite problem of relying too much on inside jokes, or being too "ironic" (i assure you i was conscious of what i was doing). biggest regret is that at times it probably seems like i'm clowning on n3rds, which isn't ever the impression i want to give off. i supported n3rds throughout the whole thing, i was kinda the "project manager" of the whole thing and was very encouraging of him and checked in on him as he was working on it for the month prior to this, and i was happy with the final result and told him not to worry about some of the stuff zfg's chat said. in the future i'll switch back to a more helpful style (my knowledge is entirely in majora's mask) while trying to keep it fun, in a more accessible humor to those who don't already know me. sorry for huge wall of text, i just appreciate the thought out input and i feel you deserved a detailed response

[@hydroxybot1286]

Is that tas?