Open Bar #89 - Ghostbusters Frozen Empire, The War For Gaming, Acolyte Season 2 Cancelled?

[@jonbaxter2254]

Mauler's occasional rage is a thing of beauty and rarity, like a total eclipse or a sober Scotsman.

[@AscendantStoic]

He is such a GOW simp it's kinda sad XD

[@archstanton9073]

@@AscendantStoic Agree.

[@2ndlegend125]

It's ptsd from bad arguments

[@Cyb3rHusky]

​@@2ndlegend125Likely from synthetic men

[@2ndlegend125]

@Cyb3rHusky that's what I was referring to, yeah.

[@JohnDoe-sr1dd]

Ernie Hudson must be a vampire. No way that dude is pushing 80. Amazing.

[@deseansdurag]

I’m guessing TRT

[@jonbaxter2254]

Black don't crack

[@ManHamOrigins]

Black don’t crack

[@krisj827]

Black dont crack.

[@JohnDoe-sr1dd]

If it makes you look like that at 78, sign me up. @@deseansdurag

[@AdurianJ]

I'm born 33 years after WW2 in a country that was not even in it and as a kid the hatred of the older adults against germans in parts of the country that bordered the conflict was palpable.

[@chillpengeru]

What county?

[@calebhein2788]

Let me guess. Switzerland. Edit: also, spain.

[@AdurianJ]

@@calebhein2788 You had like two choices and got that wrong !

[@calebhein2788]

@AdurianJ well damn. Worth a shot.

[@AdurianJ]

@@calebhein2788 One more guess got the right first letter though.

[@Go_n_shogi]

Ten years ago I’d have waited hours in line to see Deadpool and Wolverine; but now I honestly can’t be bothered to care.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Deadpool 2 was bad. literally just the same jokes rehashed

[@schaddenkorp6977]

10 years ago I couldn’t have been bothered to care about those movies either. To me cinema became a joke when Michael Bay figured out how to deliver a good punchline.

[@oldmandan7057]

Yes I quite frankly can not see the hype surrounding the movie. It's a re-tread of the same jokes from the first two.

[@hidden6ix742]

# metoo

[@ShadowWallaceyt]

After the Domino race swap and casting an old and slow dude to play Cable. I stopped caring about live action Deadpool. Plus I never liked Hugh Jackman's casting as Wolverine. So that's another nail in the coffin for me not caring. Plus I stopped going to the annoying theater years ago. The last 2 movies I seen in theaters was 2Fast 2Furious and the Matrix: Revolutions. If I wanna watch a movie in peace and as many times as I want to. I just do it at home.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Acolyte is incredible, in that it seems to be created purely out of spite. No motivation, or inspiration, or a story that needed being told. Just spiteful people hating anyone left on the Star Wars ship.

[@libertytree3209]

The people that created it want to see THEMSELVES in their work. They've said it over and over. They are queer women and there are a few witches. There you go.

[@Stalinfalcon]

Pausing at 1:50:43 to disagree. Humans looooove sugar. The process of refining sugar did not oversaturate the market, it just heightened the desire for more. It takes serious effort, in fact, to turn your back on sugar. But what happens when you start injecting a bit of salt into it? Then, you start injecting more salt, and then even more? Now, are you going to actually sit there and proclaim, loudly to the masses, that the phenomenon we are witnessing of people turning away from sugar is due to sugar fatigue? People are not buying sugar anymore because of market saturation? Give me a break. If Marvel’s shows were all Netflix Daredevil quality, NOBODY would be calling these shows ‘D+ homework shows’. Nobody.

[@Goro_Maj1ma]

Disagree, you can easily get sick of sugar.

[@janehrahan5116]

@@Goro_Maj1ma Briefly, but come 5 hours later and you're back at it.

[@ChannelHandle143]

Is Acolyte subverting expectations when they make the space police the bad guys, or is that just what we’d expect from the message? “Down with rigid, law and order! We need Season 2!”

[@ephraimwinslow]

Their idea of subverting expectations is upsetting the sensibilities of people who've been deceased for at least 30 years minimum, while boring & annoying everyone who's still alive.

[@ramigilneas9274]

At this point every project that stays true to the source material is subverting my expectations.

[@Sentinel82]

Subverting expectations, but not the expectations of Commies or the people who are on to these types...So really no expectations are subverted after all...

[@edz1624]

Mauler is specifically blind to the incrementalism that's the woke's weapon of choice. If they can not bludgeon their way into your game through narrative(s) like Suicide Squad. They will get their pound of flesh by at least inserting a minority identity/skin color character and just call it a day.

[@Saint_Anger79]

FYI: anyone who wants the closest watch of what was supposed to be the 3rd movie as written and intended by Ackryoid & Ramis, needs to play or watch a walk thru of Ghostbusters The Video Game, remastered preferably. The core story used for that game was penned by the duo to be the plot for Ghostbusters 3. Ramis freely admitted this in a making of behind the scenes video for the game, as all of the original voice actors of the 1st film, came back to reprise the digital early 90's versions of their characters; with Murray even arranging a role for his brother to voice the mayor. CHEERS!!

[@archstanton9073]

Murray also famously didn't finish his lines and they had to write around that. He left the recording booth one day saying he was going to get some lunch and then never came back.

[@anthonyagureyev307]

​@@archstanton9073What the hell is Murray's problem?

[@archstanton9073]

@@anthonyagureyev307 He's a jerk but an extremely funny jerk who has excellent comedic timing.

[@WayStedYou]

@@anthonyagureyev307everything

[@ManHamOrigins]

@@anthonyagureyev307 Much like Harrison Ford, Bill Murray came out of the womb a grumpy old man

[@WillFredward7167]

Vital clarification: Brandon Sanderson’s video about whether or not Gandalf is a “Mary Sue” is not at all what the super chat made it sound like. Sanderson is trying to make a point that the whole discussion around Mary Sues has gone too far, missed the point, and undermined more important questions. He goes into depth that a character’s role in a story, and how well they fulfill that role, is far more important than whether the character has similarities to a somewhat artificial and dismissive label. Essentially, he argues that Gandalf is a great character who fills his role extremely well, and thus the question of whether or not he resembles a Mary Sue is irrelevant. He jokingly goes through an old Mary Sue quiz, having fun with ways in which the questions *might* apply to Gandalf, purely to debunk the Mary Sue idea as far less useful than people think. A character can be extremely wise, powerful, charismatic, and virtuous, they can come back from the dead, and they can eventually achieve all their goals, and if it’s good for the story, that’s all that matters.

[@bring-out]

Yes, one critical element of the concept of Mary Sue many seem to miss is how rooted the talents and successes of the character are in the story. A Mary Sue character succeeds at everything and is liked by everyone without any real explanation. Gandalf's character is deeply rooted in the lore of Tolkien and his talents are readily explained by it.

[@NamelessDreadx37x]

Critical Drinker should raise money and buy the Duke Nukem franchise and make the opposite of a Sweet Baby Inc. game.

[@SumDumGy]

Sour Adult Inc., brought to you by The Critical Drinker?

[@croysk]

This has convinced me to avoid Endymion

[@chillpengeru]

"I'm just being honest!" After he says essentially nothing/anything.

[@SumDumGy]

Someone on the panel actually made George less an irritant to me. Thats never happened before.

[@lancebaylis3169]

I have to agree with Red Letter Media's assessment that the overall approach Sony has with insisting on Ghostbusters as a movie franchise/cinematic universe has been a failure and continues to be. Afterlife kind of felt like a setup to a TV series, and Frozen Empire feels more like of a set of vignettes than a cohesive story in and of itself. It should have been a 6-8 part limited series, not a movie. After nearly half a dozen attempts, the most relevant Ghostbusters related thing after the original movie is still the TV cartoon. Episodic day-in-the-life adventures chasing ghosts is the perfect format for this franchise. Constantly trying to beat it into shape as a movie series just isn't working.

[@legoman2313]

The video game was also the best expansion since the tv show arguably

[@poop_____dust]

I could definitely see a Ghostbusters streaming series built like X-files or Supernatural where you have the monster of the week and a big bad overarching story

[@SumDumGy]

I’ve had fun with these last two movies. Even as a kid I never enjoyed the cartoon series.

[@FireRising86]

Real Ghostbusters was the best!

[@SirBlackReeds]

No, let's be honest. There was no point in continuing the story of the OGs through movies with Harold Ramis dead.

[@Mister-Six]

Extreme Ghostbusters, a cartoon from 1997, did the "passing of the torch" really well.

[@Daynnikes]

I loved that show so much

[@FireRising86]

That show deserves more love

[@thedrixperspective]

Not gonna lie this is the first open bar that I am unfortunately not going to be able to finish due to a guest. I’m sure he means well but Endymion holding the mic hostage and not only talking too long, but over others as well got really old really fast. Maybe talk to him off air about how to behave on a panel like this.

[@chernobog9]

It might be ok if it wasn’t always a monologue repeating talking points we’ve heard from the rest of the panel many times. He never has anything new or interesting to add.

[@sipofsunscorchedsarsaparil6052]

Finally somebody else said it. Endymion has always annoyed me, because I never see him say anything interesting, but he talks. So. Damn. Much.

[@asherdales]

The worst part about TLoU2 was Fuckman trying to make a sympathetic villain by forcing the player to control her for half of the game. Meanwhile I just wanted to be tall grass gremlin Ellie raptoring the shit out of people.

[@schaddenkorp6977]

Grass gremlin Ellie xD

[@SirBlackReeds]

It's just a video game. Get over it and move on. Stewing in your own hatred is going to leave you bitter and lonely.

[@preppen78]

Watchmen by Snyder was great. Mostly due to story, but stylistically it was a great fit.

[@trequor]

Watchmen is so-so

[@randallminchew6780]

The Titanic showed up in New York harbor! People forgot about that?

[@archstanton9073]

And Cheech Marin even said "Better late than never".

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

Pepperidge Farms remembers. 🤨👍

[@SumDumGy]

…if only two people witnessed it.

[@jbc242424]

Ghostbusters should have opened with the "new" team struggling with a creatively designed ghost and getting their asses kicked, until the big guns, the veterans come in and save the day. Should have been focused on thre original guys passing the torch. Hollywood is fucking bereft of creativity.

[@garysmith9823]

Spot on. You just described the movie I've wanted to see since the turn of the century. It will never happen, and that pains me.

[@dilloncrain9111]

They'll make that movie in five years with all the kids turning it over to a group of toddlers.

[@kurtshastany1945]

That's basically what Afterlife is

[@Sentinel82]

​​​​@@kurtshastany1945 No. Afterlife is simply a bad copy of the first movie that has the veterans turning up at the last 5 min of the movie to say "Hi, remember us?" 😂

[@josephkerrigan733]

@@kurtshastany1945 You can't say Afterlife is the OG ghostbusters passing the torch when they only show up in the last 10 minutes and don't actually teach the kids anything.

[@briandain8432]

At 47 minutes speaking of Budgets, Keep in mind that the 1977 20 million budget for Star Wars would be nearly 120 million today just from Inflation. Of course that makes Minus One even more of a Miracle, maybe ALL movies should be filmed in Japan with a Strict Rice & Fish diet for Everyone!!

[@Deniryer]

Technology and means of mass production/fabrication progressed so much that a lot of those cost would be cut at least in half. Bear in mind some of the things they've used they have to either made from scratch or pioneer, like a lot of tech used to produce, grade and/or film LOTR. Also you don't need really a giant filming crew anymore, so Star Wars from 1977 made with today's tech, knowledge etc would cost less, if they didn't decide to hire unnecessary bloat like current day studios does.

[@BootySweat4491]

I like rice and fish.

[@pointeddown]

I saw Bill Murray on the 1 train in NYC. He’s still pretty sharp and kind of taller than I thought. Also a polite human as he let me off the train first.

[@FireRising86]

Too bad he ruined my favorite franchise by being a constant ass

[@Strugun]

@@FireRising86 Bill knows that Ghostbusters shouldn't have been a franchise and I respect him for that. It has one great movie and complete mediocrity or utter garbage that followed it.

[@matalostodos]

Nevermind all that, him doing “groundhog day” was all we needed from him.

[@DeAngryDan]

Endymion's open bar everyone 🤣🤣🤣

[@jonsnowight9510]

He goes on monlogues, doesn't he? It's pretty annoying.

[@salmark9080]

@@jonsnowight9510I don’t think he’s used to this type of platform

[@trequor]

He's just American. Brits take about 2.8 seconds longer to respond

[@Crunch_Buttsteak]

​@@trequorhe's Canadian

[@trequor]

@@Crunch_Buttsteak I doubt it

[@CMDore]

I'm sittin here listening to Mauler complain about how unbelievable it was that no one remembers the Ghostbusters or thinks ghosts are real even though the first two Ghostbusters proved to the world that ghosts were, in fact, real knowing that half my Gen Z classroom thinks 9/11 wasn't real/didn't happen 🙃

[@taloutezero]

9/11 was one attack on a city. Ghosts being revealed to be real is on par of discovering human life changing news/ideas for the first time. Their world knows for a fact that the afterlife is real. Religion is the largest form of beliefs we have on our planet and all of them help people consider the afterlife. To learn that it is real and what sorts of consequences there are would change the course of human history forever. Comparing that to one attack doesn't work because there are probably a lot of places in the world that don't know about 9/11 especially since its not talked about on a constant basis. Dying and afterlife are a key mystery to humans that we ponder every day. There's no chance that the ghost being real would become a myth, literally impossible.

[@Nightc1tyronin]

The Endymion dude constantly interrupting everyone is beyond annoying. I wish he’d stfu and let Drinker and Mauler talk more. Plz don’t bring him back for a while.

[@mvc9178]

“Me personally “ Lol

[@SumDumGy]

…or at all.

[@samuel5591]

To be fair, he's like the Chris Gore element for gaming - he has a specific interest to contribute on and enjoys chatting a bit too much. Chris does the same with movies and you just kind of have to accept it'll happen or you'll ruin the stream for yourself.

[@FireRising86]

@@samuel5591I can’t stand Chris Gore. His voice is like a cheese grater

[@SumDumGy]

@@samuel5591 …or he’s ruining it for them.

[@jhnshep]

Welcome to the open bar with Drinker and Endymion.

[@DeAngryDan]

Jesus he can't stop 😂

[@mattg5791]

I keep skipping ahead, and he is STILL GOING!

[@jhnshep]

@@DeAngryDan thinking back on my comment perhaps I got it it wrong it should be 'open bar with Endymion and drinker' even drinker was second fiddle on his own show and couldn't get a word in.

[@SumDumGy]

Don’t forget The Struggle of George and his ongoing efforts to squeeze in a word of irrelevancy.

[@FireRising86]

Better than Chris Gore. I legit cannot stand his voice

[@AdurianJ]

I remember the War of the Worlds TV series in the 80s where everyone had FORGOTTEN THE ALIEN INVASION OF EARTH in the 50's. It was canon with the 50s movie.

[@ikenosis8160]

30 years ago from today is 1994. Imagine if there was a global alien invasion in 1994 where New York was destroyed and millions of people were killed and people today just didn't remember? Hahahha!

[@rafterscott]

@@ikenosis8160 Living outside New York City they only think about September 11th on September 11th every year. I wouldn't put it past them forgetting.

[@BootySweat4491]

@@rafterscottI don’t think about 9/11 very often, but that doesn’t mean I forgot that it happened.

[@itbesilly4544]

Easy tactic to create a sequel without having to account for the revelations in the previous story. In reality, events that confirmed the existence of the afterlife are not something that would ever be forgotten. You would have endless debates over which religions afterlife was correct and governments attempting to weaponize the existence of spirits to spy on their enemies. It would be the renaissance for spiritualism and shysters, selling peer reviewed studies on the disproportionate ethnicity of supernatural entities.

[@AdurianJ]

@@BootySweat4491 Also us older people who remember travel pre 9/11 get's reminded constantly whenever we go on a ship or a plane because of all the annoyances.

[@freelancerthe2561]

On a subject of a Ghostbusters TV show..... they were already 2 of them made. Despite both being animated, the first expanded the world into a whole mythos with some absolute standout ghost concepts like the Boggieman's domain, the Grundle, Loch Hound, Ghash, and Ghosts R Us; a rival ghostbusting Franchise run by actual ghosts. And I dare bring up the childhood trauma of the were-chicken and zombie rooster. Following that was Extreme Ghostbusters that tried to do the generational hand down, keeping Egon as the mentor. It suffered from that turn of the century "make it edgy" reimagining of an existing cartoon show; but the characters were thought out, and the writers at least had some idea of what to do with them. It wasn't a bad show, it just couldn't live up to its predecessor. And its not like it can't be done. Batman Beyond is from that same time period, and has almost all the same problems. It took two seasons to thread this needle; but it was a massive narrative success by simultaneously fleshing out more of Bruce's character, while setting up Terry to be the best version of Bruce's intent with Batman. To make a world that wouldn't create another Batman; only find that someone is still willing to be Batman in spite of it. More people need to be made aware of this show. Even though it took years before people would look back and appreciate what it does, it shows how you can play with the format without having to disrespect what its continuing off of.

[@sztallone415]

And that Ghostbusters tv show had actual diversity too, not just women: the 4 was made up of a (goth) girl, a black guy, a latino and a guy in a wheelchair. We kinda go full circle with this crap, where older works are better even in the realm of diversity. The Men in Black cartoon had agent K have a love affair with an alien showing a different kind of couple and it was done so maturely it's insane.

[@Blank-jt3nj]

Endymion is a rough listen

[@sirgaz8699]

"I don't even know if its worth the effort to roast the Acolyte" Oh that reminds me, I wonder if Little Platoon is ever going to finish Assoka

[@tommymarco]

I wonder too, sad to see it was never complete as his reviews were good!

[@MisplacedSandwich]

Endymion man please be respectful and give others time to talk…

[@harveysbeans440]

I literally didn't watch this stream live because of that fact. He was like this on the previous stream

[@DanDanger665]

Have you seen his channel? He’s a straight up grifter. If a gaming journalist posts an article where so much as a single sentence is a sideways comment about gamers, he’ll turn that one sentence into a ten+ minute rant. So it’s no surprise he can’t stop talking long enough to let others get a word in edgewise.

[@Matt-416]

Some guests get a little excited and want to be heard... Not to mention that alcohol pretty much lubricates the tongue.

[@DeAngryDan]

Just thinking the same myself, probably why he's only on the show every now and again, he's just saying what everyone knows,and plus he said ant man 2023 was a great movie and doing great at the box office.. which means he's fast to change his opinion

[@mattPG78]

He really goes on and on. His biggest issue is taking forever to get to the point. He rarely adds anything of value. I couldn’t finish this stream either.

[@estel5335]

Mauler's postcoital scream @57:42!

[@blueblazer9991]

of course that was gonna be the Jeremy take

[@S.MR.R]

@blueblazer9991 Jeremy probably never played new Gow and his take probably is from melonie mac who also never played it 😂😂😂 poor mauler😅😅

[@BootySweat4491]

I mean, the guy is allowed to prefer the first three games. He didn’t say the new ones were crap or anything.

[@S.MR.R]

@@BootySweat4491 ofcourse i like Jeremy it's funny cuz mauler is very passionate about the game and he probably knows that jeremy himself never played the game.

[@FireRising86]

Mauler needs to get over it. It’s got Sweet Baby Stink all over it

[@MrSuckeragi]

The Lore of Ghosbusters was well explored in the animated series, I loved that show! It was freaky as a kid, scared the crap out of me with that one non-ghost monster they had to fight, I think he was haunting Egon as a kid? That was really creepy to watch as a kid, but I loved it!

[@ViperChief117]

They should’ve just used the plot line from the Video Game. Where they have the elderly team of Ghostbusters training the next generation to hunt ghost. Lol

[@user-yv4mm6bx3c]

In FFVII skin color is not mentioned even once. It doesnt exist. Barret is a friend and father figure to the rest of the cast. It is his choices that push the entire story forward. He is also brilliantly performed by John Bentley. To see him as one dimensional is the most racist egotistism that I've ever heard of.

[@RiscuitLancer]

Ghost busters 3 will always be the video game, it respects the series has all the voice actors and does passing the torch pretty well, also written by Dan and Harold

[@J.Hermansson]

Regarding if the movies was good and they still pumped out as much as they have done, I agree with Drinker, I think people would have eventually gotten bored. I'm an old fart, born 1965, when I was young we had to wait at least a year for the next movie to come out, at least a week to get the next episode of a series, and that made us exited about it. We longed to get the next Star Wars movie, it was an event, everybody was hyped. When you finally went to the movie theater it was huge, everyone was buzzing, talking about it, speculating about what we were gonna see. And after the movie we talked about it for weeks after. Now you can binge, there is tons of channels showing everything all at once, there is no hype anymore, not like back when I was a kid.

[@danollerenshaw8410]

Tom Hardy's voice for Bane was inspired by a gypsy accent he heard. There's an interview somewhere

[@samuel5591]

Now if only that voice he heard was Brad Pitt's from Snatch... what a fantastic Bane we could have had!

[@Wuffman]

One example of how bad Frozen Empire is: the stupid horns. What was the point of the horns? The plot made a big deal about the horns and then nothing ever came of it.

[@SumDumGy]

The horns were its source of power is what I understood. Without them, it wouldn’t have been able to use its freezing abilities.

[@Wuffman]

@SumDumGy_formerly_Tim_Walden Yes, but from a story point of view what was the point of the horns? If the horns had been left out would it have changed the story in any way? If the Ghostbusters had seen their importance and tried to keep them from him in some way, that would have been something.

[@SumDumGy]

@@Wuffman Doesn’t seem to me like he could have done anything without his horns.

[@Wuffman]

@SumDumGy_formerly_Tim_Walden He could do whatever the writers decided he could do, such as freeze a whole room full of men or take control of ghosts whether he had them or not. They contributed nothing to the narrative.

[@SumDumGy]

@@Wuffman You questioned the point of the horns. I told you the point of the horns. Quit moving the goal post.

[@genxtasy9914]

Endymion tv sure loves to hear himself talk

[@mattg5791]

Couldn't agree more. I enjoy his takes, but he has a tendency to ramble, going on and on.

[@desireless4092]

he's annoying grfiter. I am not sure why Drinker invites him. Would love to trade him for Reaper or Echo Chamberlain. Hear that Drinker?

[@lastexile6924]

@@desireless4092 Hi invites him so you can cry about it XD

[@desireless4092]

@@lastexile6924 rather weak response

[@tommymarco]

@@lastexile6924hehehe nice !!

[@Last_March_of_the_Gents]

The original evil dead WAS a serious horror movie. Evil dead 2 and army of darkness created the camp masterpiece. I'm glad evil dead remake didn't try to replace Bruce Campbell, the world's greatest b class actor. It would be horrible to use modern humour

[@garysmith9823]

As much as I loved the first Ghostbusters and liked the second one, I'm so glad I didn't join the nice folks who joined the fan groups and organized their lives around the franchise.

[@baconghoti]

Can we not have Griftymion back on until he learns to be less intrusive and maybe check he's not just talking face on so much.

[@georgelooney8949]

Mankind is not evolving. Our technology is evolving. We are devolving. 😂

[@vespenegas261]

"F*ck the first fish that crawled out of the sea"

[@efpara1768]

Ghostbusters was good because of it's unique story, but it's real nostalgic power came from how it penetrated kid's culture in the 1980s. As kids we enjoyed the movie that wasn't made for kids, but we loved the animated series, music video, the Commodore 64 game, and other cultural references.

[@tjjordan4207]

I've always hated how the sequels do the "oh, people forgot about the ghosts that were terrorizing New York on two separate occasions, as well as when a giant marshmallow man and the State of Liberty had walked across the city for millions to see". I remember Linkara trying to defend it, but it still doesn't make sense because it's so one-sided. If there are people who reject it, no matter the evidence available, then there should be people who do believe it, which is never shown. It's a dumb way to keep to the status quo of the first film. Speaking of Afterlife, that movie would have been better if it was completely original and had zero connections to the Ghostbusters franchise. Imagine if the villain was original and the story was about siblings going to live with their uncle (preferably played by Paul Rudd) in a small town after the death of their parents and discover that he is a ghosthunter, and work alongside him in hunting down bad ghosts to keep the small town safe. Add in father-figure moments with the uncle and the kids, some comedy, and advertise it as "The Ghostbusters meets The Goonies".

[@captaintoyota3171]

Yeah but thatd require a writer with vision not execs prpducers hiring 6 writers. Thats the thing the ppl with $$ make worst decisions

[@J.Hermansson]

Regarding the original Ghostbusters, you have to remember back in the 80's these guys was on fire, they came from SNL and exploded on to the movie scene. They where the coolest comedy guys of that time, there is nobody that can fill those shoes now, nobody, so any new Ghostbuster movie will not be anything but pale imitations.

[@Nastuf]

MauLer's Equip list: Ares Armor set Perk's: "Receive full Rage Burst when God or War Ragnarok writing is compared to God of War 3" X12

[@dekrev]

I’m here for the conversation but I don’t watch Star Wars anymore - the franchise I grew up on after seeing SW in 1977 - Disney can’t produce its way out of a wet paper bag

[@briandain8432]

2:03:02... YES! Infinity WAR wasn't a War (in the movie) cuz it was just the Length of the Movie with some off screen stuff. Kinda like Dune 2 that should have had a 3, should have had the Infinity War Trilogy with the Fallout in End Game being all of a part 2, & End Game would be part 3. Oh well.

[@schwartzy65]

Nolan batman trilogy always feels like real life batman. Not comic book or animated batman but still pretty great. Affleck was way closer to the animated ones.

[@Desperado_Dweller]

When I hear someone say "he Vaderd", it doesn't sound catchy but more disgusting. Something to describe when Darth Vader uses the force to take dump

[@sadaomao7425]

I don't know what it is with Mauler and GOW but every time it comes up, Mauler turn into a person he usually make fun of.

[@yanribeiro7108]

Oh look, it's the comment that always fucking appears anytime mauler covers something slightly controversial the exact same way he does everything else.

[@deanrichardson5930]

Speaking of Andor. I find it ironic, that they had a gay couple in it, and nobody batted an eyelid because the story was well written.

[@tommymarco]

oh yeah. forgot, story was sooo good !

[@fffx2]

Not really ironic

[@Sliider36]

exactly. hope we're still getting a second season. its the only star wars that isnt a steaming puddle of cat piss since rogue one. no surprise they were both written by the same guy, tony gilroy.

[@paulware4701]

11.10 I'm not gonna defend this movie, but this particular bit struck a nerve with me. I'm twice as old as any of you (I think) and recently I've found that old age changes you as far as keeping in touch goes. Time contracts; years pass the way months used to; and suddenly your once best friend has died without you ever reconnecting. It's shitty, but it seems to be true for so many people. I understood this bit, even if it came too close to reality for a movie in the Ghostbusters franchise.

[@CrazyMiddleClassCaucasian]

When you skip the 20-minute discussion on video games that are shit it's actually a fairly interesting podcast. Pity they didn't let Mauler say more on Ghostbusters

[@jonsnowight9510]

Endymion wouldn't shut up long enough

[@J.Hermansson]

Regarding Ghostbusters, It was a thing in that time, brilliant, dry humor, with great comedians. The two movies is a stamp in that time period and we never needed any more of them. Sure maybe, as Drinker says, you could have done one in the 90's, but why? We don't need it, the two first once are enough.

[@davidmorgan3359]

The law doesn't apply to Hollwood, I refer you to the opening scene of Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. Female character leaves the sheriffs office after admitting to shrinking their vehicle.

[@jasonabc]

I haven't seen the last 3 ghostbuster movies and I'm good with that

[@DanDanger665]

Bummer. I always look forward to the Open Bar, but anything featuring a grifter like Endymion is guaranteed to kill brain cells. Oh well. Next time!

[@BusesAreFatCars]

Can you define "Grifter" ? Most people's definition of the word would apply to literally every person on this livestream.

[@DARTH-C3RB3RUS]

​@BusesAreFatCars Well, everyone except Will, at least he's a publicised novelist.

[@BusesAreFatCars]

@@DARTH-C3RB3RUS So, having a second job means one cannot be classed as a grifter? Interesting.

[@DARTH-C3RB3RUS]

@@BusesAreFatCars yeah the guy makes movies and interviews Russel Crowe and other famous people but point well made. You really put me in my place.

[@nicholaskinkaid]

20:30 "once in a moon" 🤣🤣 So very often then? 🤣 I personally love using idioms, metaphors and analogies to help explain or describe things. So I'll always find it either hilarious or infuriating when someone butchers or incorrectly uses one of the sayings.

[@Captain_Kickass-l1f]

Well, you should make like a tree and get out of here then.

[@nicholaskinkaid]

@@Captain_Kickass-l1f 🤣

[@tach5884]

"One time at band camp..."

[@pwgdeathhawk8146]

Was mauler even in this one he didn’t say anything for over an hour

[@mattg5791]

All aboard! Emdymion train is departing shortly...

[@miler2005]

They really should have combined Frozen Empire and Afterlife. Ghostbusters should have been a national thing, with Winston being the CEO and Ray and Egon being the heads of R&D. Ray and Egon go to Summerville to explore the origins of the Shandor building because they need a new way to dispose of ghosts due to the containment units at the various HQs across America being too full. The idea is to just send the ghosts to the Netherworld by building a portal similar to the Gozer Temple. Egon gets killed due to the experiment failing. Garakka seizes on the opening between the Netherworld and ours. The remaining OGBs and new team members get together to stop the threat.

[@JohnDoe-wm1xd]

Is it me or is Endymion tv cringe af

[@DanDanger665]

Not just you. He’s a shameless grifter.

[@summer7603]

He has no ideas on his own tbh i feel like he just jumps in someone elses idea all the time

[@J.Hermansson]

Regarding Snider, my fav is still Watchmen.

[@DanLovesBooks]

Maybe Metroid Dread was so good because Samus Aran already female so SBI had no foothold to come in and ruin.

[@Aria-un9iy]

Thankfully Nintendo doesn’t seem interested in ruining their games with this forced diversity bullshit.

[@Sentinel82]

Nah. They'd want to make her fat and ugly.

[@BootySweat4491]

I saw a post on Reddit with thousands of upvotes saying Samus is trans… they can figure out a way.

[@DanLovesBooks]

Reddit is an echo chamber for people who think they’re too smart for echo chambers. I’m relieved by the idea that my lesbian friend who works in the DEI office of a nearby university is furious with the idea that if she were a young lesbian today they’d be telling her she’s a boy, and in fact she is very happy to be a woman. Absolute insanity. The best lack conviction, the worst full of passion.

[@KuroNoTenno]

@@Aria-un9iy Pokemon and Fire Emblem are already on ESG, though.

[@nicholascowling7052]

Insomniac's Wolverine will likely have SBI influence. As per a 2021 Sept 11 tweet from Evan Narcisse, him and Kim Belair are working on the Wolverine story as consultants. Not sure what has happened over time with regards to the story, but I imagine there will be a big fiasco surrounding that game when it comes out and I imagine they will be doing their best to cover up any SBI involvement. (BTW, Evan Narcisse was credited as a consultant on Spiderman 2, so I think he's someone who's pushing the same narrative.)

[@MrAwesomesNeighborhood]

New open bar. Lets go!

[@4dmind]

Hudson is a huge part of what makes the original Crow great. The new one will bomb.

[@makhmal1776]

I would love an EFAP on Mathewmattosis's video on GOW 2018; he actually makes good points on how the potentials of that game were wasted, as oppossed to just saying "it's woke bruh." A position which i totally understand by the way.

[@makhmal1776]

​@@AISlopTheatre yes, most people are so focused on proving the game is woke that they forget how boring it is

[@BootySweat4491]

@@makhmal1776True. I can recognize they’re well made, but they’re not my cup of tea. I find it really boring and the gameplay not that engaging. It’s okay to not like things that are considered good, and vice versa.

[@chrisball3662]

I literally wrote this down (to get it out of my head) before the 2016 abomination came out. I made a few notes in parathesis. In hindsight, I wouldn’t want to be quite so dark How Ghostbusters III should have gone... Background: Following the defeat of Vigo, supernatural activity dies down in New York once again. The Ghostbusters team tries to ride their new notoriety, but without ‘busting work to be done, lose focus and purpose. Peter and Dana marry, Peter adopts baby Oscar (now Oscar Venkman). Peter goes into marketing the Ghostbusters, making all the toys, lunchboxes and the cartoon that we all know. Egon and Ray return to their true passion of research, opening a paranormal institute to further their work. Winston does Black guy things. (my thought of this morning, he starts a Ghostbuster Fitness company) Head canon from the first two movies: Ghosts only materialize at the level to require Busting when a strong presence is “approaching.” After Zuul’s defeat, they disappeared until Vigo started again. I also hate coincidence, so my reasoning is that Vigo chose Dana in the second movie because, having once been possessed, she is psychically marked, like a beacon. He likely even manipulated events to bring her to work near him. Which is the same reason I think that Oscar will be the focus in 30 years, he was possessed as a baby which highly attuned his unformed mind to the psychic world. Thus, ghosts have not been a major problem for 30 years, because no major entity is juicing them all up. Opens in the year 2016 (27 years after the events of GHB 2). The tales of the Ghostbusters have largely faded from the public collective memory. They are a curiosity, a relic. And a joke to many. Paranormal activities are so low that no one believes any of it exists. (yes, I wrote this exactly this way in 2016. Despite Mauler’s objections, I went with the premise that once it couldn’t be seen routinely, the general public just stops caring about Ghosts.) Oscar, now 28, has lived his whole life haunted by his brush with the supernatural as an infant. He has lived in fear that someday, paranormal forces would come for him again. This fear and anxiety leads to a life of obsession with the paranormal. He does not master the field in curiosity or academic love -- but out of terror (I would change this now, to passion instead of terror). This obsession leads him to become a self-taught, non-academic genius in paranormal and parapsychology, aided by the influence of his adoptive father and surrogate uncles (Peter, Ray and Egon). He lives in a state of constant preparation for the day the ghosts come back to get him and New York. His knowledge is intuitive, erratic. He is the heir to Venkman’s rock n’ roll style. Due to his infant experiences, he may even have heightened paranormal senses. (I would add, maybe even random knowledge that he doesn’t realize he never read) The Spengler/Stantz institute is a dying, sad place. Funding has long since dried up, and research has completely stalled. The institute is staffed by a female PhD candidate. She is the intellectual heir to Ray and Egon, studying under Ray (Egon having passed away some years before). Her’s is the professional approach to Ghostbusting. The hard science and deep book knowledge. She believes in the work of her mentors, which makes her an outcast in the larger scientific community. She does not care about the flashiest parts of the Ghostbuster saga (the proton packs and Evil boss showdowns), but is committed to the nitty-gritty research to prove it exists and can be interacted with. (again, I'd make this less sad now. But the point was, she viewed Egon and Ray as father/mentor figures. She stays with Ray out of affection and loyalty.) The third character is a fanboy, a hero worshipper. A few years older than Oscar, but less than ten. He remembers the defeat of Vigo, and he has never lost his love and awe of the Ghostbusters. His knowledge is enthusiastic, but often inaccurate. He’ll have old Ghostbusters souvenirs and posters in his workspace and apartment. He reads every theory and crazy story he can find on the internet. He’s also subscribed to any scientific journal that will publish articles from the Spengler/Stantz Institute. He dreams of getting to be a Ghostbuster. He’s the one who’s truly enamored of the “Superhero” part of being a Ghostbuster. He likely goes to the scene of supernatural sightings, both in hopes of seeing something spooky, and secretly hoping to spot one of the Ghostbusters back in action. Still not sure who the fourth should be. Don’t like the idea of just adding another tough black guy. So of course, the catalyst for this movie is a new resurgence in paranormal activities. Through some sequence of events - Fan Boy spots Oscar inspecting a recent crime scene and confronts his hero -- these people are all brought together with different motivations -- but all sharing a deep desire to take action. Oscar becomes convinced that this resurgence portends the growing power of yet another major, world ending entity -- like Vigo or Zuul. He becomes even more obsessed and erratic as he seeks to uncover the true culprit. It’s possible that Oscar himself is revealed as the new villain. His mental connection to the paranormal causing him to garner power at a subconscious level, until the power consumes him and takes over. Perhaps bring back Ernie Hudson/Winston as a mentor -- someone still physically fit enough to actually go ‘busting with the youngins. Yes, it's incomplete.

[@tommymarco]

Nice brah !

[@mvc9178]

“Me personally” Got me every time Nerdcrew4eva

[@scnoz1430]

i could feel the darkness grab hold of mauler when Ragnorok came up

[@pecadorr93]

Sorry Edymion, it was fun the first 15 minutes when you spoke, but after that I just skipped every time you opened your mouth. Please let other people speak

[@src6339]

Ironically, if the "modern audience" does exist, they're failing to strike a cord with them to 🤔

[@tommymarco]

lol !!! truth!

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

Don't forget films like Zemeckis' The Frighteners,Tim Burton's Sleepy Hollow and The Others(in which Nicole Kidman is a tour de force),all of them excellent ghost stories in their own right. 😱

[@davidyeates1440]

More accurate to say The Frighteners was a film by Peter Jackson who directed, produced, and co-wrote it. Zemeckis was only executive producer on it.

[@anthonymcgrath]

just watching the first 40 mins of this now and the discussion of all these movies... jurpark.. ghostbusters etc you know what i watched the other night? The Great Escape with Steve McQueen... and MY GODS IT WAS SO GOOD! 3 hours... moved slowly but carefully... and i could not take my eyes off the screen. Absolutely fantastic fun and made me want to go right back to the much older forgotten movies.

[@tommymarco]

I saw they talked about 1985 Legend in the end, going to check it out this evening. Being watching the old films 70s and early as they are so darn good compared with with current releases

[@J.Hermansson]

Regarding Spider Man, to me Peter was, is, will always be my Spider Man.

[@SumGuy099]

GoW 2018/Ragnorak broke mauler, and i dont say that as a reflection of their quality, i didnt play them so i cant speak to their quality. But fundamentally, mauler becomes a worse version of himself when GoW is brought up. The better version of mauler somehow disappears with GoW. He becomes more irrational and i dare say subjective with his approach to GoW, while somehow thinking hes being objective. Kind of like choosing to keep the rose tinted glasses on, regardless of the quality of the games. Like Jeremy was literally giving a preference of the GoW franchse and Mauler fucking Ree'd to it like a child.

[@chillpengeru]

He does that with the last of us tv show too, its weird because his entire attitude changes on a dime

[@ManHamOrigins]

I can understand how he feels. It gets tiresome watching everyone around you completely dismiss and misunderstand something you like over non-issues.

[@chillpengeru]

@@ManHamOrigins true but all this guy said was that he likes the older games better. That's it. Same as when tlou show, when someone would point out how Joel is different he'd get upset about it, and not really make objective points like he's known for, but just get emotional and salty.

[@Capdub]

​@@ManHamOrigins mauler is just a grifter

[@ManHamOrigins]

@@Capdub Grifter is just another buzzword that’s translates to “person I don’t like”

[@TheREALSimagination]

The fact Balder was a redhead with a rough exterior and demeanor are arguably minor inaccuracies in GOW 2018, but the fact he WANTED to fight enough to coax Kratos into initiating it was, to me, the biggest character assassination of the series.

[@nikmar77]

Well, no god in the GOW series is accurate to the real mythology

[@TheREALSimagination]

@@nikmar77 No, but I feel like Balder, considering half his thing is being a pacifist who'd rather die than raise arms against another creature, even a hostile invader, I think is going a bit too far in changing him to what GOW '18 did. If the answer is, "we had to let him die SOMEHOW to let Ragnarok happen", as that's his OTHER thing in mthology, that's a dumb excuse. There are a billion ways he could die and keep his character intact. I mean, even in the story he doesn't die in war nor by the hands of an enemy. They could easily enact the same training session with Atreius, mistletoe and all, and he could be struggling with the accidental murder for the rest of the game and the fact he caused Ragnarok.

[@Aeonfell]

My bad life choices and erratic schedule thank you for the content, fellas

[@NorthwindFusilier]

"I don't like Jurassic Park: The Lost World, but I like Jurassic Park III." ... You're a monster.

[@colummccrudden101]

Thank christ I wasnt the only one who heard this nonsense

[@sipofsunscorchedsarsaparil6052]

Honestly, I agree with this take. JP2 was monstrously slow, at least 30-40 minutes longer than it needed to be, with a bunch of very cheap decisions, and I don't know if people realize just how Marvel level some of the humor was in it. Meanwhile JP3 isn't great, or even particularly good, but at least it was relatively close to the original in its themes. If anything, it was the Rocky 2 of the franchise.

[@LoneWolf-gz9mr]

ahh the 90s... The internet was BORN in 95... So it was an interesting decade. One gripe with this bar though.. EndymionTv.. He just PREACHES.. Keeps "explaining" and sounding so MUCH like the other side that it's irritating. Think I'll be SKIPPING any bars he's on from here on out.

[@boobah5643]

If by 'BORN' you mean 'the September that never ended,' sure.

[@LoneWolf-gz9mr]

@@boobah5643 No, I meant historical facts that the internet went commercial in 1995 with the advent and proliferation of windows 95'... And it was BORN in 95'.. It's really NOT that old.

[@boobah5643]

@LoneWolf-gz9mr Well, no. Win95 had nothing to do with it. The masses hit the interwebs when CompuServe, Prodigy, and AOL stopped being walled gardens and let their subscribers infest the internet. The result was the September That Never Ended, because people who were ignorant of the existing mores of the net kept disrupting everywhere, a phenomenon previously restricted to Septembers, when a new class of college students would be introduced to the net.

[@xitaris5981]

Even if you ignore the blatant broadcasting of _THE MESSAGE_ in Invincible, it's terrible. For starters, you have a character named Invincible who gets beaten within an inch of his life every episode. He's got a weak beta personality and no character development and only the mom, the girlfriend, and his crush have decent characters. At least they did ok with the villain, but the White Supremacy imagery was hard to overlook. But if we do factor in The Message, it was so hard to get through _any_ episode without choking on how hard they pushing it.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Lol. he gets graped soon. lol

[@sithman1]

I've not been around here all that much so could you clarify what "THE MESSAGE" is for me thanks?

[@katie6666]

The name 'invincible' comes from the fact that he pushes through any fight despite the fact that in most of them he comes out with them with just an inch of his life left He's invincible mentally and principle wise, not physically. This is such an obvious thing to notice that the fact that you missed it most likely means your just farming for rage bait

[@mjob1sniper851]

@@sithman1 ​ I can't claim to speak for anyone's exact definition, but as I understand it: Any political or sociological theme that is thrown lazily in and disrupts the logical next step of the story, events, or character decisions. Like if a character does something dumb and out of character just for the sake of getting a message across to the audience. I think that's right but it might be a broader term. It was coined after some people started using a movie's message as defense for it's bad writing.

[@BootySweat4491]

You thought Amber had a “decent character”? We must have watched different shows.

[@davidsloan1661]

Unpopular opinion probably but I preferred the old intro

[@cabbage9999]

Did Endymyon ever even pause for breath?😂

[@richardhockey8442]

isn't the mayor in the latest Ghostbusters moved played by the same actor as (or is supposed to be) the EPA agent in the original who turned off the ghostbuster's ghost containment grid and unleashed all the ghosts on NY city, Mr 'Yes,your honour, this man has no dick'?

[@itbesilly4544]

Yep. A crappy, crappy, cheap as poop, reference to the original.

[@pauljeffries8529]

I know right, how the hell could he be elected mayor?

[@Mrguypersonmandudebro]

Bro your intro is a banger 🤘 gets me lit up every time

[@HalfEatenMedia]

Superman would work better as a period piece. Superman in the 1930’s would hit harder.

[@briandain8432]

Watching Eric July playing Pal World cussing everyone else and running around like drunken weetardid mascots is surprisingly hilarious.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

So did they ever answer who Egon had a kid with? Grandma just wasnt in Afterlife its like Egons Family spawned for plot convenience.

[@Xx509ASSASSINxX]

46:46 fuck that. That was one of the worst movies I watched last year. Let’s make a movie about robots that kill people and don’t kill anyone after the 15th minute of the movie.

[@w92viking64]

Agreed FnAF was terrible. Willys wonderland was better (though only because Cage is cool as fk in it)

[@hornedgod2873]

The eighties were a good decade too 😢😂

[@tcboes]

"You're not obliged to swallow anything you despise." Sleeping Lessons, The Shins.

[@Right_Said_Brett]

I can't believe that Mauler hadn't seen Afterlife before! It's one of my go-to examples of everything that's wrong about modern Hollywood. People who said it was a good movie upon release, like Drinker, ought to be ashamed. It was a trash movie which fundamentally misunderstood the entire point of the original (a movie which treated a high concept with utter irreverence), coasting by purely on nostalgia.

[@eurodoc6343]

"That happened 20 years before I was born." Most Millennial response ever. If there were only some way to document and record things from the past.

[@DAILYBLUNTATHON]

The O.G. Ghostbusters and O.G. Star Wars are at their core both movies about unique characters- with ample amounts of quirkiness and romance and humor. Turning these films over to hacks is ridiculous. I would hand these films over to Hamill and Murray and let them figure it out because nobody on these productions knows anything.

[@yushaamoreno6125]

Nolan said he purposely made the fight scenes crap because he didnt want to make action film but instead a drama

[@donspider1]

Deadpool is going to be a huge let down remember disney is the destroyer of franchises 😢

[@hornedgod2873]

Tom Hardy explained he was trying to impersonate Bartley Gorman when he came up with Bane's voice.

[@Fyrecide]

Tifs and Aerith background 11/10. Well done lads.

[@theREALmistafu]

As a kid i never even got the fact that barret was black, he was just the badass dude with the machine gun arm wtf