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[@its_Frax]

I love Wootings response to Razers release: „We are feeling flattered, that other companies are implementing similar technology to their products than ours! We feel that competition is good for the market!“

[@Antayera]

Where did they say this

[@its_Frax]

@@Antayera In one of their recent livestreams on twitch

[@ReaLSGameVids]

They can be confident because their product is still way ahead

[@Antayera]

@@its_Frax That’s awesome.

[@affinity601]

wooting has always been based

[@jodgey4]

No matter which is better, competition only helps consumers. Bravo to the technologies' growth!

[@Precipiceofwind]

Not under this economic system ;)

[@HitoriGnocchi]

"competition" has been around forever yet still copies other brands. i dont support razer and i likely never will.

[@TheSiprianus]

It's not competition that helps consumers; it's because private property rights are protected. People are given the right to enjoy the success of the product on which they risked their wealth. If 'competition' is the holy keyword, state-controlled means of production would've been successful in creating multiple state-owned companies to compete with each other. Please don't parrot this buzzword; try to research where this buzzword came from and what the person actually said about creating artificial competition that infringes on liberty. We don't need another 'mixed economies' supporter who learns economics from Reddit.

[@Tirth-Patel]

bravo vinc

[@JYMBO]

This is the only correct response!

[@kell9496]

Well I think razer has something that can one up the wooting. Availability. The wooting is either out of stock or unavailable in some countries.

[@Scoolymatic]

and also being cheaper haha

[@mattlife25]

It took mine three months to arrive

[@Bennyy85]

And price!!

[@lazarusvillagomez]

I’ll sell you mines

[@Neurotoxus]

@@mattlife25 i think they've gotten slightly better from what I understand. purchased mine somewhere in april and received it in about 3 weeks. still something that would make people choose razer i imagine

[@thenewbb]

You can’t fucking say they copied wooting they had a analog version of the full size huntsman before the wooting keyboard was a thing 💀💀💀

[@g0ggy]

Wooting really being the disruptive competitor we needed.

[@silentmat2029]

The Wooting definitely has the better product no doubt, but it's awesome to see new competitors adopting the rapid trigger feature. At least we will soon have varying options to choose from. Right now, the Razer Huntsman Mini Analog is on sale for $95 and originally retails for $150. Compared to the Wooting, this might actually fit in some people's budget.

[@Okay_Turtle]

i got mine for 58 bucks new

[@innovativeadvertising6463]

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[@EnsaladaXD_]

​@@Okay_Turtlehow?

[@amikagahbo2487]

@@EnsaladaXD_ hes what we call an attention seeking capper. If you want a real answer it was on sale for $80 on amazon for black friday

[@cptive]

@@amikagahbo2487 There are plenty of ways to get stuff for cheap 🤔 they also didn't specify currency, if it's euro or pounds it's $65 - $75. Especially during the holidays season, it's incredibly common to see stuff at good prices new because people not liking a gift and unable to return it.

[@bardenhick2121]

I love my Wooting 60HE so much, unless Wooting themselves comes out with another product I will likely never buy another keyboard

[@Bostonski]

I can confirm that

[@tinleo3339]

Finally some competition from other companies!

[@nemsy7400]

same. But it's good to have some competition, 60HE is too powerful I think.

[@dartagnan1954]

Same here

[@Jigolopuff]

I still think the Steelseries Apex pro mini has better switches

[@coyotex850]

im surprised steel series hasn't done this with their apex line considering the switches in their keyboard is closer in line to whats in the wooting

[@mimp8365]

After the Apex Pro TKL launch I sent them an email suggesting exactly what rapid trigger and DKS is. I thought the Apex Pro already had it but when I received mine it surprisingly didn’t. They said something like “Thanks for your suggestion and we’ll consider it”, but never actually implemented it. 😒

[@MekaniQ]

This is very true. Both Wooting and SS switches are made by Gateron, both of them uses magnets, yet the Apex Pro released before the Wooting 2HE (Full Size) and didn't have that feature. Yes, SS really doesn't care anymore.

[@mikec2845]

yeah, been asking for this feature for ages

[@eDebt]

they actually confirmed something like rapid trigger is coming soon, just that they said "something" as to not seem like they're copying

[@mikec2845]

@@eDebt sauce

[@Mandydeth]

I'd love to see you get your hands on the DrunkDeer A75 and give your impressions compared to the Wooting. It's another Hall Effect board that has another Rapid Trigger akin feature, but I'm curious how it stacks up.

[@theb4dwolf]

The only reason why I haven't pulled the trigger on Wooting is because of layout choice and if competition brings that choice to the table then I would feel that It is welcome.

[@retrofizz727]

why tho ? they offer both ansi and iso layout, oh unless you're japanese yeah that might be an issue

[@theb4dwolf]

@@retrofizz727 Sorry, poor choice of words on my part, I really meant size or number of keys. I prefer 75% or maybe even TKL.

[@MekaniQ]

​@@theb4dwolf Same there.

[@wicked96ta]

@@theb4dwolf That's what I'm looking for as well, but also want BT 5.0+.

[@Clumrat]

@@theb4dwolf There's also the fullsize option

[@MachineJugz]

Don't mind more of the wooting features coming to keyboards you can actually find in stock

[@bobsag1164]

Fr, wilting is always out of stock

[@jondaniels5341]

Brilliant comparison, Steelseries now have their version of Rapid Trigger due to a firmware update yesterday. Would be interesting to see how that performs. Also, would you know how to do the quick item (4 items) on Steelseries for Apex?

[@giakhangtruong54]

I think you forgot to tell that this is only applicable for the Analog switch version not the standard Optical switch version

[@VVSPRINCE]

yeah i’m raging tbh

[@miggyluv]

Oh damn...I just got my Razer out of the cupboard to try this. Oh well.

[@miggyluv]

Oh well...I can uninstall the s**t software again now 😛

[@tmifb9926]

DAMN

[@Litoflow]

YEAH!! Waste of my TIME!!

[@omubread1803]

Would still buy wooting lmao

[@trilecebey]

%1000000000000

[@jeanmahmoudventilateur3480]

u mentally disabled ?

[@stonie8629]

@@jeanmahmoudventilateur3480 ?

[@jeanmahmoudventilateur3480]

@@stonie8629 $80 difference

[@danr8267]

Too bad it's double the price and out of stock.

[@chip652]

Meanwhile Apex Pro users out here with fuck all functionality despite the board having the capacity for all the Wooting magic, the ol steelseries software team feels it's more important to make another god damn aim trainer than provide any added value to customers

[@saybrowt]

I have an Apex Pro (fullsize) and I despise them only putting in the "omni point" switch for like the 60% layout

[@dontpokethebear3893]

This just sold me on the wooting. I didn’t know it existed. Thanks.

[@wintersoldier4269]

You’re going to pay more for “speed” that will do 0 for you in game compared to any optical switch lol.. but sometimes hype sells..

[@skruh1145]

​@@wintersoldier4269 idk man movement tech is so much easier now in apex as well as strafe shooting in valorant feeling so much more intuitive, feels more than 0 to me

[@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it]

you will pay more for wooting 100% bcuz of taxes and delivery.

[@retrofizz727]

@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it if he can afford the wooting, it's definitely worth it

[@kharkaroto9486]

Same!

[@iph2]

What I like about wooting is the web browser to customizations , no more 50 applications because we aren’t using the same brandys

[@singlerlim5086]

not sure why wooting's availability is so bad LOL always out of stock everywhere. missing out fr

[@zachmoir]

Kinda lame you need a V3 to enable this feature. The V1 Huntsman Elite still has the exact same technology hardware wise... I'm very excited to be getting a Wooting soon. Thank you for what you do. You often inspire me.

[@deprwivd]

i think it could be good with some more tweaks but right now wooting is leagues ahead

[@bryonssmith]

I had no idea about this! Amazing video as always. Picked up my huntsman and huntsman mini for less than $60 each. Been bouncing between those two and a G Pro tkl. Going to update firmware and give OW another go.

[@KingBorium]

The problem with the Huntsman Mini Analog is that it blocks controller input. I play Apex Legends on MNK and Roller and when I have the Huntsman plugged in it kills every other controller connected to the PC. It’s virtual controller takes priority over everything else

[@Marknewell273]

So if the Huntsman is plugged in, my Xbox controller that is also wired in, or wirelessly connected, will not work? I like being able to switch between the two instantly if i want, keyboard/mouse and Xbox controller

[@heinousmf]

@@Marknewell273pretty much, legit have to unplug my keyboard jus to play cod

[@ok10469]

Most likely just a synapse problem. Honestly that shitty software is razer's biggest problem rn. That and the insane prices and low build quality.

[@Empty_Vima]

Prank in school with typewriter still relevant?😂

[@CrocEnjoyer]

im glad someone is getting close to wooting but i still will not be replacing my wooting60he when someone inevitably matches them

[@T39Omi]

Keep calm use membrane 🧘‍♂️

[@icecoldman6773]

Lol

[@BRUHMEMES239]

NEVER!!!!

[@fearsomezq]

I think the biggest thing with the wooting board is the fact its more customizable. Anything that allows you to make it more your own is best in my opinion.

[@jigyjavier2920]

please try the drunkdeer a75, 75% keyboard with wooting "tech"

[@ghostcreeper_]

Steelseries just did the same thing with their Apex Pro keyboards through the 45.0 update, make a video on that please!!!

[@scaredlittleboy7086]

And none of these are 75%

[@WalkMrJ]

Drunk Deer is a 75%

[@md.sifatussabbirsohan9120]

Just like sheldon said "why would I settle for something like big boy burger when I can have the big boy burger??"

[@leviking9625]

I just can't get past how buggy that the razer software is. One of the worst programs I've ever used

[@surfingmonkey8840]

wooting just copied razer

[@achillesa5894]

i tried it on my own Huntsman V2 Analog. Nice to have for sure. I hope such features continue to be refined and become standard in high end gaming keyboards, they're sorely needed.

[@innovativeadvertising6463]

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[@loYxYol]

Unfortunately you can’t use analog inputs and rapid keys on the huntsman without synapse . For some stupid reason Razer forces you to use the software or you will not get the full functionality of the keyboard

[@diligaf1000]

Yeah this is the biggest drawback with Razer if you ask me.

[@Ivlodded]

I just love your professional and honest reviews. The comparisons are the best on here.

[@TemuKhanakan]

Can you try the razer hunstmen v3

[@domtuco0711]

4:05 honestly, if you have never tried to wooting I feel like you wouldn’t notice this, but obviously you have and your muscle memory set in w the wooting, and the razor juts felt wrong bc of this. If you had never used the wooting then used the razor one I feel like it would feel how people describe the wooting

[@thomaswight2374]

I’d love to see SteelSeries follow suite. Their hardware is Hall effect, though not quite as precise as Wooting’s, but there is no rapid trigger functionality.

[@bobshanery5152]

Its confirmed in the works. Soon. However.. You really wont see something equal to Wooting until Razer/Steel come out with new boards/switches. They can introduce rapid trigger but SteelSeries Apex pro and Razer huntsman v2 analog are not as accurate as the Wooting 2he. Granted all this stuff is really minor

[@dddripz]

@@bobshanery5152 Steelseries confirmed that the update with Rapid Trigger will also increase the actuation point distance from 0.2-3.8mm to 0.1-4.0 mm(like Wooting), so Steelseries' keyboards are just as precise as Wooting's

[@kinpact6100]

These clicks im hearin when ya changing scenes is just unnecessarily annoying imo

[@tomatoasted]

oh cool. would still buy the wooting.

[@makmakg242]

You can say the same thing to Steelseries' TKL optical keyboard that uses magnets on their switches while the actuation point is modifyable

[@elvoandro7087]

New update made the apex pro same as wooting

[@MaruBaku]

Compare it to the new Huntsman V3!!!!!!!!!!

[@WrexBF]

I sprint using the W key instead of the standard shift key. Having both the sprinting and moving forward actions bound to the same key causes all kinds of movement-related issues. The wooting 60HE fixed all those issues for me. Another advantage of the Wooting that people don't mention is the fact that you can literally use any o-rings you want without them affecting your keys' actuation point.

[@kwinzman]

I would love the Wooting to get some kind of programmable per-key force-feedback! I love the hall effect switches, but I like tactile keys!

[@darslei]

That is most likely impossible

[@Definitely_Melnyx]

@@darslei Yeah that does certainly sound like some expensive feature as well if they can it implement somehow

[@kwinzman]

@@darslei It certainly is possible. But it might be expensive.

[@ok10469]

Needs motors. A LOT of motors unless you only want wasd to do that.

[@JablonskiPeek]

"first time ive ever said that by the way" man that had me dead

[@ohxtg]

I would like to assume you are already trying out the new superglide V2s

[@motion2597]

We need more Wooting clones so we can get the same tech at lower prices

[@thekovkan]

as you can see, it's not THE SAME

[@Sinsanatis]

i dont know if i see it being THAT much lower. the best u might get would be if wooting were to sell the module itself aka just the switches, board, and plate without keycaps and case. idk for sure but i might have remembered that being mentioned. i might be wrong tho

[@WalkMrJ]

@@Sinsanatis Drunk Deer has literally cloned the wooting and sells the board for $110 US.

[@Sinsanatis]

@@WalkMrJ mm i forget u could make everything around it cheaper. but its only 25 bucks cheaper without the discount. on amazon it 35 cheaper without the discount. but theres a lot less features and not much u can really do in terms of customization. if ur strictly after the rapid trigger feature, it would probably be a good cheaper option, but imo the wooting offers so much more features that i feel its a bit more worth it. its like i dont really ever need anything else for gaming. any more than that would just be to customize it. it is also a bit marketed towards the custom mk crowd

[@BasedF-15Pilot]

I've had adjustable actuation points on my steelseries apex for years. Maybe Wooting copied Steel?

[@Wooting]

Wooting one, 2016, first analog keyboard in the world to be commercially sold, including, adjustable actuation point. 🎉

[@hydronik9838]

​@@Wootingdoesnt matter if its out of stock all day and do not accept paypal , trash company

[@WalkMrJ]

@@Wooting First keyboard in europe, you mean. Gonna start throwing that shit around, you might want to check Asia first.

[@Mini-nw7nx]

Wooting has cool programing, but dogshit keyboards. Never have I felt scammed when I bought a keyboard, and I used to buy AULA

[@shinqqing5161]

More companies need to copy it and make it better. At least make it more reachable, I don't want to deal with customs just for keyboards

[@Volker_A4]

Waiting to see this tech in an ortho/columnar layout. Staggered layouts just feel terrible in games after switching.

[@joelconolly5574]

Only matter of time before Logitech and other companies start heading for the Wooting route.

[@JagsP95]

lmao it will be everyone else before logitech even budges. Those guys are way too comfortable right now not doing anything.

[@favournjoku7594]

logitech is lazy af with innovations tho

[@minty_x]

Hey Optimum, if you ran out of youtube video ideas steelseries also just copied wooting.

[@Frozoken]

I've got the keyboard and its implementation at the very least is far superior to razer's, I emulated the test he was doing where slight raises would keep registering as an input on the razer to see if it was just a decent implementation like razer but nope, worked perfectly. Then again they do have actual analog hall effect switches too so the tech was always there and this was my exact rational when buying it half a year ago seeing I didn't wanna wait months and wanted a tkl board so I've been hoping it would be added. It has been worth the wait imo. Oh yeah and basically a more precise version of this test can be done a website called "keyboard scan rate tool" where it'll give you a latency figure from when you pressed to when u released, the number itself doesn't matter but u can confirm that its working when u bottom out and a number shows up when u release the key and even when intentionally moving the key up as little as possible, it'd register every time I saw my key actually move.

[@Phyb3r]

Cool but where is 75%/TKL wooting ;(

[@GewelReal]

Human hands can't feel more than 24$ worth of keyboard anyway

[@megadeth8592]

this guy stays with L takes

[@TheSast]

Dam, sorry to know you don't got hands

[@WalterBlacc]

L

[@PHILLL94]

Thank you wooting for raising the standard ❤

[@jaylix991]

what about the steelseries pro tkl?

[@EliMcNeill3]

bare in mind wooting is 300 dollars and the hunts,man being 140 dollars

[@paneledp]

What? No, it's costs 175 dollars

[@yadavchirag]

love your videos, straight to the point and very well made👍 ☺️

[@TheThirdWorldCitizen]

That’s great because Wooting had some countries blacklisted without any explanation.

[@Definitely_Melnyx]

@@KaanBeskardes According to Wooting itself they’re Belarus Mexico Mongolia Philippines Puerto Rico Russia Ukraine And I don’t even blame them.

[@Pamilya_Daraman]

@@Definitely_Melnyx wait wat? ph? why? pls tell us more..tia

[@jaredzaragoza1192]

@@Definitely_Melnyx why Mexico? 😭

[@hydronik9838]

Xenofobic mfs

[@thedeleted117]

There is absolutely no point in ever buying another keyboard once you have the Wooting.. The tech can't possibly get any better or faster.

[@oliv3318]

your definitely wrong, keyboards are of course gonna evolve past wooting.

[@thedeleted117]

@@oliv3318 how? There is no point in evolving past 0.1mm trigger/ release. There is nothing that will furthermore improve your gameplay than that..

[@null6209]

Razer's obsession with laser switches is hurting their products

[@awzup57]

so Razer half assed it and buried it in terrible software. shocking and totally not what they always do.

[@peace_truth1471]

Amazing title. Big balls dude, loved the courage! Wooting is just producing the best keyboards. Love mine. The Dutch guys are amazing!

[@wintersoldier4269]

Lmao.. I heard like 80% of the customers had to send back their boards with problems.. but I’ll thank them for rapid trigger even tho it’s mostly gimmick.. nobody notices the difference unlesss your coming from some heavy cherry mx switch .. if you have optical switches ur already top “speed”

[@ertgb_]

@@wintersoldier4269 I play rhythm games, and its a massive difference. Makes it a lot easier.

[@jri4263]

The steelseries apex pro line-up will get rappid trigger too, they anounced it on there stream.

[@chadsugden411]

Have you tired the new Razer Huntsman V3 PRO since this review. With the new 2.0 switches… if so have the closed the gap to the wooting. If so I might got the til version as there new 80 board hasn’t exactly over whelmed me with excitement… no volume knob… = much sadness from wooting

[@kennethmejia2013]

the rapid trigger is not working for me. i turned on the setting and it doesnt turn red.

[@sil3ntsoldier236]

same idk why

[@sil3ntsoldier236]

try deleteing synapse and retrying. let me know if it works

[@kennethmejia2013]

@@sil3ntsoldier236 have u tried doing it?

[@kdog5995]

If they made a TKL I’d buy one today. I need the f keys for StarCraft 2, but I don’t want the number keys of a full size

[@gozutheDJ]

synapse is actually alright, just only install the modules you need. and you can turn off being "notifified" about other shit you dont care about in user settings.

[@TimothyJavier]

Steelseries is probably gonna to do this soon too, they've been making hall effect keyboards for awhile now with the Apex Pro. Topre also just released the GX1 which also has the same features.

[@Maxsvel1337]

I hope Steelsearies does something like this for the Apex pro. I thing it should be doable and the actuation is quite precise.

[@bobshanery5152]

Coming soon. I forget what they are calling it but its the same thing.

[@thawzie]

I think the Huntsman Analog came first really, but the switches are terrible since every single one of them has stabs lol.

[@zach4161]

optical switch vs hall effect switch 2 different things, but hall effect switches been around since the 1960's

[@VxbesBS]

Wooting wants people to copy their design. They literally said they were open with all their designs and they always talked about how they built it. They want the average keyboard to have their design and use analogs instead of the typical switches. Idk what u mean by copying bro 😂

[@Silver47sniper]

Try out the new razer huntsman mini v3 pro it has gen 2 switch’s I haven’t seen anyone review it

[@Blindastronomer]

Really need Steelseries to roll out an update to bring rapid trigger to the Apex Pro

[@joostwestra]

Maybe one could put some spacers to limit the travel of the razor. That would solve the biggest downside

[@cyzcyt]

Have you tried the new huntsman v3 pro. Or is this it?

[@F17A]

0:37 I have the same exact keyboard but no actuation option?

[@BetaCuckAlpha]

I had to wait about 8 months for my keyboard to arrive from Wooting. Wish they had options for heavier springs or something with better ergonomics. I had to duct tape their wrist rest to the keyboard.

[@reviewforthetube6485]

So what? Omg they cooied it wow so sad just horrific more players can now do it.

[@P-U-S-S]

I hear steelseries are looking at doing similar things with their hall effect boards. Also, I'd love to see an in-depth on the drunkdeer hall effect board if that interests you

[@elvoandro7087]

Wdym the apex pro can do all the things the wooting and razor do

[@P-U-S-S]

@@elvoandro7087 rapid trigger

[@elvoandro7087]

@@P-U-S-S software now on apex enables rapid trigger

[@rikifps]

Is this any better than your standard mech keyboard tho?

[@RedgraveVT]

Not by much lol

[@SanOcelotl]

bro who even notices the difference? i want the keyboard for me not my robot friend

[@oliver-nation4377]

It is sad that the Wooting just sounds, and feels mushy.

[@gpeaes]

May want to change that Amazon search link to 'razer huntsman mini analog', instead, or you may have some bummed out people :) Great video, as always!

[@TeenyTinyDevil]

Corsair K70 max is probably best at setting up actuation distance with its magnetic mechanical switches, and setting 2 actions on 1 key depending how far you press down the button

[@EnryuGod]

Difference is the Razer is just a Laser signal that is broken by a barrier until you hit the switch then it triggers the keypress. The Wooting is a laser firing up the switch measuring the distance and as soon as it changes it triggers the keypress. Razer cant copy that with just Firmware.

[@spiketwo666]

whats the green tube light behind you? care to enlighten us? thank you so much!

[@TGObobqway]

Soo does it work on all of the huntsman minis?

[@amthx4005]

Just the analog version

[@AzimzR6]

It's not copying its just adapting to the market which has been done for over 20+ years

[@user-tw9io9nz2m]

Wait you guys aren't bottoming out your keyboard switches every time you press them?

[@wintersoldier4269]

Lmao so true .. everyone bottoms out.. that’s why this video is bullshit.. Razer keyboard does rapid from the bottom point .. nobody feather touches the keys like that to strafe lmfao

[@globehb7645]

Full size keyboards, RGB, manual keys, REPAIRABLE keys ... and back to pre covid pricing. Yes ... Razer, Logitech,Steelseries ... no more funny money prices.

[@necroLAN]

Try the new huntsmans with gen2 analog optical switches , from what ive seen online , the rapid trigger now is pinpoint accurate , some are saying it kinda even feels better than wootings , and it has 8k polling.

[@Quizack]

Hey Ali, Is the Huntsman Mini the only keyboard from Razer to get this update? Or do any of their other keyboards have the same technology that could benefit from this update?

[@nyeeef5535]

I just hope every gaming keyboard manufacturers copy their feature to make this kind of price go down

[@Sphyxx]

Bit of a gimmick if you ask me considering the speed increase is not that significant, an average mechanical keyboard is fast enough

[@Ta5.]

the music in the video made me think that the relay in my external soundcard is switching back and forth rapidly, planning on burning itself from 0:12 terrifying

[@joelbinnie1902]

Hi optimum ! great video! I have watched this many times! Steelseries came out with there own version of rapid trigger! Could you do your own testing of this? I was looking to upgrade my old steelseries tkl!!

[@realmackle]

Razer's customer service is so mind bogglingly dogshit I dont think wooting has to worry.

[@StaySic4Ever]

Really though how come we didn't get this before by now. The rapid trigger feature is just great. Now for others to follow! I'd really like more refined switch with granular range option, but also lower total travel switch like 3mm and just custom set actuation point etc. Want TKL ISO though.