SteelSeries just copied Wooting.

[@leedsmanc]

I worked as a staff writer for an enthusiast PC hardware magazine in the 2000's. We had sophisticated benchmarks for easily quantifiable things such as RAM, hard disk, CPU performance etc, but when it came to peripherals, when we simply felt like two pieces of hardware were offering roughly the same performance, we were confident enough to say "no real world difference" or something similar, and give mice or keyboards etc the same performance score. We asked ourselves if it was possible to be more scientific, we usually concluded yes, but we didn't have enough time or expertise to build a fair testing rig, and that was for a large professional team working at a publishing house. This video especially makes me feel like back then we were letting our readers down a little and stifling the efforts of independent engineers. The fact you built a rig with a slow motion camera to test your initial hypothesis, is unbelievably good, in a world where it feels like KZbin content is in a race to the bottom in terms of shortcuts and clickbait, you are raising the game. Well done. I'm sure your audience, and the hardware developers who put incredible efforts into their design, are all incredibly thankful for your efforts.

[@MaxxDW]

I've never seen a KZbin comment more sophisticated than this.

[@TimberWulfIsHere]

fr @@MaxxDW

[@Arunnn241]

@@MaxxDW well he was a professional writer 😂

[@hunatya3183]

Well spoken!

[@figureviews]

You were a staff writer, but didn't learn how to do paragraphs

[@mintparfait]

The main thing i like about wooting is the software. Everything saving to the keyboard itself, being able to use it in a browser if you dont want to download it. Its so refreshing. All the big companies forcing you to have their bloatware open 24/7 for features is really getting to me.

[@thegiovannimauro]

I agree, I'm still using a membrane razer keyboard, but honestly I've been looking to get a new keyboard not just for better switches, but to say goodbye to the awful software that can be finicky at times and is just 1 extra process added to the startup. I'm also using a Razer Lancehead TE which is great for the most part, but I underestimated how awful an ambidextrous mouse would feel in hand (at least the shape that they chose), the underside of the right click bothers my ring finger and both my ring and pinky finger drag on the mousepad from the way I hold the mouse.

[@mintparfait]

@@thegiovannimauro I feel that pain. I'm currently stuck with razer software simply because I've never found another MMO mouse that's as comfortable as the Naga. I think some of the Razer hate is overblown. But not for the software. Yuck.

[@OkRake]

my feelings exactly

[@PropaneWP]

With any peripheral that uses features that run on software as a selling point, the software is as important as any other aspect of the product.

[@346Yoman]

tkl and full size have a screen so you can change it on the fly

[@powerslideita]

The SteelSeries software has likely been written in Electron (the same technology that vscode and discord use). Electron apps are basically a website (CSS/HTML/JS) bundled with a chromium browser (with other features of course) hence why it takes so much ram, an entire browser has to run to render the thing.

[@nobodynoone2500]

God I hate electron apps.

[@johnnyringo35]

A mere 32gb?.... pathetic.....64gb here for just my laptop. 128gb for desktop.

[@ThunderingRoar]

​@@nobodynoone2500doesn't steam also run on electron?

[@JeloOW]

@@ThunderingRoar no

[@ImOnlyHereForTheZipline]

@@johnnyringo35how can you even use the pc with 128 gigs? i 256 gb sticks on my dedicated movie pc

[@Floodedisposition]

I really hope Wooting makes a 75%. Was close to buying the 60, but I just can’t do without arrow or F keys.

[@Logue_]

you can just program the wooting to do function keys by holding 1 - 0

[@tr4nnel752]

I use Wootings mod tap feature and the arrows are never a problem for me. I returned to my mx keys though for productivity, but that also has to do with me not really liking mechanical keys for typing, weird I know.

[@bjvink0130]

@@Logue_that's just a hassle, i have a 65, 75 and 80 key keyboard for different functions

[@Hnkka]

Yea same , i got apex pro tkl because wooting is 60%

[@itsv1p3r]

@@Hnkkaconsidering getting the tkl, really like the display on it lol but my anne pro 2 is 60% and is a perfect fit for my setup rn so i feel like i should just stick with 60% :/

[@jonb0i]

Ever since they released rapid trigger on my apex pro I’ve actually seen a significant improvement to my movement. Glad to have a feature on my existing keyboard without spending more money on a wooting ❤

[@R1DER420]

Boiii

[@Jeff-tp6bc]

Cope

[@vevavanilla16]

i am glad this tech is catching on, means more availability and options for everybody

[@NyangisKhan]

@@Jeff-tp6bc It's not cope if it actually works which this video implies.

[@sinwt]

Bought a apex pro 2019 for $80. that's a steal over the wooting 60HE

[@jettreyc]

1:44 "FN + T" is also a new default meta binding on the Apex Pro that toggles rapid trigger so as long as your keyboard firmware is up to date, you don't need to use the software to enable it

[@readyforlol]

Just got my Wooting Two HE (the full size one) and that thing slaps. The fact you can just load your settings in on-board memory and straight up plug it into any computer for the first time without any extra software installed whatsoever while retaining all the features (even the RGB profiles and animations) working out of the box is insane. Analogue movement is also neat.

[@smallbutdeadly931]

Still waiting on mine but I know its going to be worth it

[@Mangotunde]

are you able to adjust the brightness on that keyboard, because I noticed it only had volume media keys?

[@jorge69696]

The lack of crappy software is worth paying for. Hopefully companies catch on.

[@ChantingInTheDark]

I have a Wooting 60HE, it's AWESOME, far better than the Steel Series I agree.

[@coolieee]

@@Mangotundetheres almost never a dedicated brightness button on any kb its usually just an assortment of keys depending on keyboard which yes you can lower it/turn it off etc

[@SuperHeroJay]

I would like to note that since this video has been released there was an update to the SteelSeries Apex PRO firmware which allows for customization of Rapid Trigger sensitivity.

[@CzarChasm1.618]

Good info. Do you know whether tappable arrow keys are now possible too?

[@ShredderXGaming]

@@CzarChasm1.618 unfortunately, the arrow keys do NOT use magnetic switches so I'm doubtful if they'll ever make it to the rapid trigger list.

[@CzarChasm1.618]

@@ShredderXGaming Thanks for reply. I mean, binding dual activation to Alt (left); R Win (down); Fn (right); / ? (up). So, for example, if you press down 1mm Fn key would be right arrow key, but if you press down all the way it is Fn key

[@pusheencat7722]

@@CzarChasm1.618 Arrow keys seem to available to make any of the omni point switches. So if you want to make the W key, for example, and arrow key, you may. However, the function key, aka steelseries key, does not appear to be mappable at all. Like Shredder said, the arrow keys do not have the omni point switches, so they are extremely limited in what they can do. They cannot experience dual binding, have their actuation changed, etc... The Omni point switches are all the main keys. So that excludes anything to the right of the main typing keys, aka, right of the enter key. So all your directional keys, number pad, etc... The F row is also regular switches, and not omni point. I hope this answered your question :D

[@rileyalden723]

Couple updates as someone who has the SteelSeries Apex Pro TKL now: 1. The software actually does allow you to change the sensitivity of Rapid Trigger now 2. The issue of keys being spammed happened to me as well, had to decrease the sensitivity of Rapid Trigger to fix it

[@mathieuheinen8133]

I have it too I just got my keyboard 10 minutes ago and I disabled rapid trigger and did everything still same things happens I’m not using apex pro usb that’s comes with it tho I hopes it’s not cuz of that’s cuz the first 10 minutes worked😊

[@CzarChasm1.618]

Good info. Do you know whether tappable arrow keys are now possible too?

[@SaMell0]

@@CzarChasm1.618 I believe Steelseries actually uses different switches for the arrow, and function buttons, at least in their apex pro tkl. So its probably not possible with just a software update

[@jdjoon]

0.4 rt work for me correct

[@benjaminwallace8034]

There's another Rapid Trigger keyboard that I don't think is particularly well known because its a newer company, its called the Drunkdeer A75, it uses magnetic switches just like the wooting and features a rapid trigger feature, but lacks the analog inputs of the wooting. Some older reviews of this keyboard are outdated because of how much the software for this keyboard has been developed; Old reviews claim that the keyboard does not have a true rapid trigger, which was true at the time, but the feature was since patched in. I would love to see you test this keyboard because there's not a lot of info out there on it, but I believe it to be an excellent option for anyone wanting a rapid trigger at a much lower price point than the wooting. Its also a 75% which is a preferred format for some people.

[@TheACTIONZ]

Aim adapt made an excellent review out of it

[@Tallmios]

Seconded. The 60% form factor is a deal-breaker for me. I've read Wooting might be revealing a 75% keyboard later this year though.

[@salashka0102]

drunk dear

[@SmallBoxCentral]

The production quality on these videos just keeps on rising! Good work

[@michaelblue4619]

but the production quality of steelseries is low. Gone through 2 flagship keyboards now (apex pro tkl) and both had a huge amount of blue LEDs all die in under a year.

[@nicholaswicks3077]

We need that cat that also increases the production quality

[@HuyV]

The ends get more and more abrupt though...

[@ARCbirdman]

@@michaelblue4619 what could this possibly have anything to do with his comment

[@michaelblue4619]

@@ARCbirdman 2 words. Production Quality.

[@danklord987]

Truly the best tech channel in the game. Just straight to the point, no cringe ad breaks, very clear results and without bias. Keep em coming!

[@BanditMage]

Hey Opt, my Apex Pro Mini also broke like that similar to yours but from changing the actuation to the fastest lmao. Once it broke I could not fix it... Ended up returning it and got the Wooting. From the research I did, this type of issue isn't as uncommon as you'd think.

[@juno5435]

Same!!! I just got my Wooting yesterday, and low actuation is not an issue. I love it so far

[@saturnna467]

Got my wooting a couple months back just to try it, my mind was thinking it was just gimmicky. Was very wrong.

[@WorldKeepsSpinnin]

@@saturnna467tbh idk how this technology hasn’t become a thing faster, like a regular keyboard doesn’t sync with your finger movements at all. It’s so delayed it’s crazy.

[@JCerris]

That sucks. Waiting for my Apex Pro Mini to ship. Hoping it works cause it's a little hard to justify $205 for the Wooting for me rn.

[@5trikz]

its only $174.99@@JCerris

[@leviking9625]

Good to see you mention the software that's part of the product. Couldn't mention how many pc hardware parts I've had that have been good but are severly let down by the lack of proper software that is actually worth a damn. After going through a handful of different keyboards I settled on the duckyone2mini specificly because it doesn't have any software to rely on because it's all built in.

[@Eiisfux]

I have the apex pro mini as well and the software is easy to use, the sonar feature is INSANELY nice and the aimtrainer is very good as well idk what problem he has 😮😮😮

[@triliner254]

@@Eiisfux The issue is, why does a keyboard/mouse software have an aim trainer? You're there to tweak settings, not to train. Also the unnecessary ad bombardment within the software, and the fact that it takes a whole gigabyte of ram to run.

[@Eiisfux]

@@triliner254 idk what everyone is talking about steelseries gg doesnt use a gb of ram on my setup, and at least for me the Aimtrainer is a nice feature + it isnt really integrated the aimtrainer needs to be dowloaded extra i believe so it doesnt even use up storage if you dont want it

[@georgefraser4623]

I have the steelseries gg software and it doesn't bombard you with any ads and the aim trainer is there if you want to use it if not it doesn't get in the way , there are no problems as far as I can tell.

[@Eiisfux]

@@georgefraser4623 exactly

[@snips77777]

I know everyone praises the production quality of your videos. But you must understand how much we truly appreciate the effort you put into each one, and how informative and entertaining each are.

[@uiopuiop3472]

8i donot like the wrd sanitsy check. i am do tnot

[@supergreg72]

@snips : we’ll said ! We really appreciate 👍🏻

[@uiopuiop3472]

thank tue @@supergreg72

[@Rattlezziper]

Love how straight to the point your videos are now. Even got rid of the intro to make it instantaneous

[@Bllfrnd]

I have my Wooting Two HE since end of 2021 and couldn´t be happier with it´s functions like rapid trigger or adjustable activation height

[@edderals]

I had the same issue with my Apex Pro Mini. I managed to fix it by changing the actuation point to above 1.8mm, after that the issue with spamming keys seemed to disappear (mind you that this was on the older firmware before rapid trigger). I still returned the keyboard though and now waiting on my Wooting to arrive hopefully this week.

[@_-frosty-_]

I recently picked up the only 75% Hall Effect keyboard I could find, the Drunk Deer A75. Would love to see you cover these same tests with that one if you could get your hands on one! Maybe after next month when I believe they're going down from .2mm sensitivity to .1mm sensitivity. At only $130, with about a 2 week ship time from china, they're a pretty good deal!

[@BeBarnee]

What is the point of having 0.1 mm other than saying that a keyboard is technically faster in benchmarks? I have mine site to 1 mm and I still occasionally have accidental presses. 0.1 mm is unusable for gaming in my opinion.

[@sclapple3192]

@@BeBarnee "in my opinion". I could say the same thing for the opposing side, I for one find the feature to be perfect in all games and it can even give you a buff in specific games (where you need to make many inputs as fast as possible).

[@erisium6988]

@@BeBarnee i played for years on 0.4mm on apex tkl now 0.1 on wooting for most keys. I have to get used like to every gear and it gives a lot of advantage in csgo counterstrafing etc. U just dont feel u are using keeb to movement

[@BeBarnee]

@@sclapple3192 I totally understand the theoretical advantage, but it's too unreliable for me. If I set it too low, I can press A or D just by keeping my finger on the key. I'm happy to hear you can take advantage of it.

[@BeBarnee]

@@erisium6988 I've been playing CS on a relatively high level since 2001 so I can see what you mean. In my experience below 1 mm it's so sensitive, I sometimes mess up my ADAD because the weight of my finger accidentally triggers the key I didn't mean to press. I'm happy that you can really take advantage of this feature, maybe my fingers are not sensitive enough 😂

[@tokenxyba4827]

5:04 small update/info Steelseries also can now regulate the sensitivity. Ive just got a softwareupdate for my Steelseries TKL Pro with Rapid Trigger and this option exists now for Steelseries.

[@rarigate]

Lucky to have my Wooting right now, it is so hard to get especially in my country. I would like to see a review on Drunkdeer A75 as it has the same features as the Wooting but way more accessible.

[@s4uss]

We just need a Wooting TKL version and it will be perfect as well for other tasks like programming, and having dedicated F keys is nice too.

[@SyRose901]

​@unholydonutsI guess that's why they went with 60% *first*, but branching out to other form factors would be a very, very nice addition.

[@Zetraxes]

Nice video, keep up the great work Also the Drunkdeer A75 Keyboard has rapid trigger aswell. Could you please test that keyboard aswell? Really curious how it would stack up against wooting and steelseries

[@ghostcreeper_]

I've got the Apex Pro 100% version and as long as you update the firmware once with the new update, you can set the rapid trigger function/actuation points using the OLED screen on it without having to use the software or having it open in the background

[@JDUU2K]

I'd love to see you test out the Drunkdeer A75, another magnetic switch keyboard with rapid trigger that has been under a lot of people's radar for quite a while. It honestly has some of the nicer feeling stock switches I've tried on a keyboard with really good RGB implementation.

[@joel3683]

I legitimately love the effort you put into your videos, you even got some robot to more accurately test the latency, I love it.

[@Kazaonyt]

I love how in depth you go with your videos. Very unique and really showcases the technology of these keyboards. Nice work!

[@okage_]

to enable rapid trigger, you can also press steelseries button + t or if you have the oled screen, hold the menu button and then scroll to actuation and enable it there

[@unreal6959]

I am using steelseries GG for years now and had 0 and i mean ZERO issues with it and its taking just 174 MB of RAM at any time, are you sure your system is not the problem? and not the GG software? also i love having all the commercials and stuff inside GG, if you don't use it then just don't comment bad stuff cuz some people use it and like it !!! Sonar is probably the best sound feature free for use out there ! and considering i have my Apex pro for so long time and i am getting better and better keyboard with every single update its amazing that they change it for free, its like buying new keyboard all over again, but for free!

[@jeffy141]

I agree.

[@stevenfeldman22]

the effort you put into your vids is unmatched, i was waiting for a video like this and I'm glad you made it

[@DerQuatschtuetenwuerger]

I immediatley tried it out because it sounds super interesting and instantly felt the difference, but I noticed a weird bug in the GG software (which is a bug in itself) where if you select the E key it mistakes it for the R key and vice versa. So if you select the E-Key and want it to have rapid fire, it will instead turn it on on the R-Key. Thought this might be helpful to some.

[@zunai5047]

I just have to mention that your content is the definition of high quality content. When ever I end up in a conversation about tech I mention your channel just because every aspect you bring to it is done with such care and effort. Really like to see it, even if I'm not interested in the topic of the video I end up watching it just for the Quality of it.

[@justnvc]

Great video! Although a slight correction: It's not a limitation of being optical that creates a deadzone at the bottom of the Razer switch, it's simply the switch itself and implementation of the optical technology. It's certainly possible for Razer to achieve better results with an optical switch in a version 2.0

[@crepasstories]

you need to factory reset the keyboard via the screen the only thing that changes then is the acuration point and i’ve also had the problem that it was glitching but then i just powered my pc off with the power supply on/off button and then factory reseted it with the screen on it

[@advancegeo2986]

hey Optimum i just wanted to say you and your channel are quickly becoming one of my favorite tech channels on the website not too many other people go into such in depth about peripherals and their nuances much appreciated i ended up buying my mouse because of your review

[@capitoneo]

This is the first thig I noticed while was gaming on a mechanical keyboard. The travel distance is too long from bottom to the actuation point. This was especially noticed in moments where you should burst some key as fast as you can. (Like putting money in a bag during robbery in GTA Online) I solved this by putting o-rings on keycups. I don't understand why they don't box those o-rings as an optional accessory with keyboards on linear switches. But yeah, having that programmable distances is really cool feature if you have money for that.

[@thinkforyourself5672]

I own the Wooting 2HE and the Apex Pro & Apex pro mini. Yes the software is noticeably different but the functions are the same. For $125 the Apex Pro mini is impressive

[@binodynamic]

I’m leaning towards the apex pro TKL 2023 as I prefer TKL and lighter 45g switches. Also the stock case of the wooting doesn’t allow me to use my wrist rest the way I like

[@thinkforyourself5672]

@@binodynamic, It's 100 percent worth it. I own 5 nice keyboards and use the Apex mini the most.

[@Frozoken]

Availability and hall effect switches are why I bought the 2023 apex pro tkl back in january just waiting for the inevitable rapid trigger implementation. In raw performance, it's about the same just with less customisation and bloaty software but that's about it. Personally I dont care at all about double keys and haven't seen a reason to want to lower rapid strigger sensitivity besides turning it straight off on shift like most people do so the form factor outweights the much cleaner software for me. It was also mitigated by learning to disable so much of the garbage too I will say but that requires a time investment that most understandably don't want to make.

[@aggroyt5371]

I will say that the Sonar and Moments features in steelseries’ software are actually fantastic if you wanted to dabble into EQing your sound (sonar) and having a more intuitive clipping software (moments)

[@Jowee.]

I love moments, it's great.

[@SeanIsAFatty]

The amount of class from these videos is insane. You go out of your way to explain everything you did and present the details for them in easy to read graphs. Because of you, I didn't buy a certain mouse upgrade because of the wireless polling issues. I'm using a Logitech superlight, but it's got a slight amount of drift that I notice with my aiming, and I've been considering a change. Coming here first is now mandatory when it comes to a peripheral upgrade.

[@rustler08]

Why would you not just warranty it? That's the entire point of a warranty...

[@SeanIsAFatty]

@@rustler08 Sorry, drift is probably the wrong word. The movement isn't 1:1? Like, sometimes I flick or move my mouse fast enough, and it doesn't go the intended distance, and then sometimes it overshoots the intended target. I play osu when I'm having a bad day and you really start to notice the polling issues. Optimum made a video regarding wireless mice a while ago and explains the polling issues in there, that's what the mouse is currently doing.

[@mathieuheinen8133]

I just got a apex pro tkl 2023 I updated its software enabled the rapid trigger and it broke the keyboard

[@fratozsarkams4043]

Good comparison! Thanks for the highlighting the steelseries gg bloatware issue. It also installs audio drivers for sonar and even you uninstall them it just reinstalls them after every update which is very annoying.

[@lnbabz]

I love my wooting60. Hope they'll do a 75% soon. I heard rumors about a TKL which is also of interest.

[@BoscoLe]

Theirs already a til.

[@kiyu_u6009]

Reason why the arrow keys doesn't work for your tappable arrow keys on the steelseries gg is cuz only the alphaneumeric keys are hal effect, the rest are gateron i believe.

[@loplopol]

You might considering trying that broken Steelseries keyboard with a shorter usb cable. I once used my Wooting board with a cable that was too long and it started spamming keys while not pressing anything. I had also accidentally turned on rapid trigger with a mode with Rgb on and the actuation was at the most sensitive, which may have contributed. I changed to the stock wooting cable and it stopped spamming long enough edit my base profile. But this may be different.

[@markezell4445]

The one BIG feature missed by every reviewer that Ive watched and have mentioned elsewhere is the inability to save RGB to onboard memory. This is my single biggest complaint. Why? Im a professional software developer and cybersecurity engineer by day, gamer by night. People who shell out $200 for a keyboard likely have a professional job like me. I use a KVM to switch between my 4 computers. I cant install their proprietary software on my work machine and honestly the implementation on my Mac isnt great either. Using some default Rainbow RGB is distracting and unprofessional when I am working. The ability to save at least a single color to memory (Red, Ice or white are my go to for work) would be the game changer for me. I have al the Steelseries Apex pros, the ones that are plugged in do seem to retain color, but none of the wireless ones do that Ive tested. This includes my Apex Pro Mini (I kept this becasue I got a deal) and I tested and returned the Razer mini as well. I think the Wooting may do this but I havent ordered one yet to test. Too impatient to wait for it and not 100% sure I love 60%. Thinking about trying the Azoth as I THINK this saves RGB as well. This isnt that hard as I also do Arduino, electronics, etc. It works on the ones plugged in but not the wireless, probably to save power. For $200, I feel like this should be a requirement.

[@pezdawg93]

I bought my Wooting 60HE based on optimums initial review. Best keyboard I've ever had!

[@TheSwayzeTrain]

Your test set up was very impressive, much like your ITX build. Out of curiosity, what is your background? What were you doing before KZbin? Engineering?

[@Sampdelu]

Wow, the test with the Arduino and the slo-mo camera is truly remarkable

[@OaklandTae]

I had the Apex Mini Pro while I waited for the Wooting 60he last year... served me well, good to see I have an update waiting for me the next time I use it. I use it as my travel kb now.

[@norgtube]

Really wish wooting made a TKL

[@lenkski3385]

I also had the same issue with the keyboard when enabling rapid trigger, i was allowed to get a replacement from retailers luckily

[@pottue]

If you don't want to use the SteelSeries software you can just remove it or disable the software from starting up from Windows (Task Manager) after you have setup and saved the settings. The settings are saved inside the keyboard and you don't need the software anymore. Works fine for me.

[@Set_Abominae]

I love how you go all in with the quality and deep analysis with everything... That is so much interesting! Keep that will forever!

[@daniel8599]

From my experience, I tested the Razer (*Analog) a week ago and the Rapidtrigger function seemed exactly as promised 0.1 mm. Could be that they have optimized it or I'm just wrong.

[@Jessespresso]

Just got my wooting the other day and if anyone is on the fence; I ended up pre-ordering the 80he but decided I couldn't wait long enough (was using a cheap keyboard as previous gaming keyboard broke) so decided to also pick up the 60he and was worried I had spent way too much to buy both. Now that I have it on my desk, I have 0 regrets spending £500+ on 2 keyboards (60he was around £170 including shipping, 80he was £350 including shipping due to upgrades). I never realised just how much input lag my previous keyboards had until I started using this. The rapid trigger is awesome and has definitely helped me learn how to jiggle peak as well as general movements in games. It's also the best keyboard for gamers looking to get into custom keyboards too in my opinion due to the fact you can change out the case, modify it relatively easily and there's a few options for switches if you wanted to test them out as it's hot-swappable. Compared to gaming keyboards, it's not only incredible for it's price but it feels incredible to type on without even modifying it (ofc custom keyboards will probably blow this thing out of the water but we're talking gaming keebs). It's like upgrading from a fisherprice toy piano to a grand piano from Bruce Waynes mansion 😂 I never want to stop typing! (as you can see lmao) it sounds beautiful too

[@griftgfx]

Does the SteelSeries software have to run in the background, or do you only need it to save settings? And are they saved to the kb? This is pretty tempting. Love that there's a TKL available as well (even though the price gap is a little silly). I think the software is the only thing making me hesitate.

[@AyoubProds]

I'm curious about the same thing. Did you find the answer for this?

[@caligaming9386]

+1 curious about this as well!

[@AyoubProds]

@caligaming9386 No, it does not have to run in the background and also the keyboard has a built-in memory, so anything you save or all the settings that you save from the software. They get saved straight to the keyboard, so even if you delete the software or take your keyboard to your friend's house to play, you can just plug it in and it'll load all your macros and all your RGB and rapid trigger settings

[@slash_king0183]

I've been using steelseries for over 2 years now, and have never faced it using more than 1 gig of ram. It may have been a bug, or it may have been caused by something looping when programming the keyboard possibly? It could also be due to the new features of the rapid trigger. Testing video ayo? The first page is to see what items are on sale or if they have deals going on, and to get free things for games sometimes. The aim trainer I don't use, I just aimlabs instead, however you download their aim trainer through steam or right in the steelseries software. The reason the keys would've bugged out in the end is because it was programmed to have the rapid trigger probably causing a weird looping bug on the keyboard. Best way I would guess to fix that is just creating a new configuration profile, which would reset the programming on the keyboard to whatever you change it to. Idk if this helps, but maybe worth looking into?

[@Girvo747]

The fact these guys at least make a TKL (though I’d prefer a 75%) means they get my money. I’ve been waiting for this from someone

[@Clumrat]

Wooting has said they'll release a TKL or something between 60% and full-size

[@godminnette2]

​@@Zamai2137reread the comment, they said something between 60% and full size, they clearly know wooting already makes a full size.

[@DelScully]

@@Clumrat I asked again in the reddit forum and they said no plans yet but they've talked about it but it will take a long time as it took them years just to get the 60he ready apparently and they "dont want it to become obsolete" which is bs imo as lots of people will still prefer that layout but many of us need the 75% layout as a minimum.

[@Clumrat]

@@DelScully You can also get the full-size

[@Definitely_Melnyx]

I know it sounds insane, but what about having two keyboards? One for gaming and one for everything else? Nearly all keyboards have detachable cable and since usb c is the standard it is a non issue to have multiple in use.

[@wins5835]

Thanks for the comparison to the Wooting, Ive got one on order and currently use Apex Pro (older model) TKL and got the update, though buggy... Excited for my Wooting 60HE to arrive!

[@satxrnhimself]

Great video Optimum, really helped for me and my SteelSeries Apex Pro Mini!

[@haishawang9339]

1. you dont need the steelseriesGG to run in the background for rapid trigger to work. you only need to set it up once and it can save your config on the keyboard. 2.Normal arrow keys on the Apex pro mini series can be achieved by remapping keys in steelseriesGG program. All of the keys on Apex pro mini can be remapped with the exception of the function key. Of course you will sacrifice normal keys and switch them into arrow keys. For me I sacrificed right alt/windows/ctrl. And you can still retain those keys with Fn (hiding them in the 2nd layer) if you rly needed them.

[@Darkeninggg]

He said razers software not steelseries

[@haishawang9339]

@@Darkeninggg I'm just commenting on how the steelseriesGG works.

[@jonnytest7142]

Hey, thank you for the video. I need help. I got the apex pro mini wired last week and I didn't use it until Thursday and for the first 15 minutes it felt amazing. But the next day I came home from school and hopped on fortnite and my keyboard wasn't working, so I went to type in the in game chat and my keyboard was spamming random letters and symbols and after I downloaded the software the keyboard was still bugging. They said to raise the actuations of the left Ctrl and shift and after I did that my left shift doesn't work anymore. I'm going to send it back for a replacement and if it happens again I don't know what to do.

[@proxy1147]

my apex pro mini BROKE after 6 months, the W key suffers from something i dont understand fully to be fair. but basically the key doesnt register past 2.5mm (AT ALL) ((IT WILL REGISTER UNTIL THAT POINT IN ITS ACTUATION)) AND holding my finger on the w key at 0.1mm causes it to do 406 cps on a click speed test when setting the W key to mouse button 1 ALSO frequently i would realise that the W key gets "locked" causing it to pernamently stay ON, unplugging the keyboard "bricks" my entire OS because everything (literally) regardless of what keyboard im using becomes a shortcut and i need to restart my pc theres no way to stop the W from "clicking" on its own. Steelseries quality control has been absolutely horrible. in the span of 2 years ive had to return 2 mice and 1 keyboard because of issues that happen literally after around 6 months on average

[@moonmessiah9368]

Can we just give a round of applause for Wooting? They are essentially a small brick and mortar business competing against the biggest brands in the space and a year later they are still mopping the floor with them.

[@kinggaskins1886]

You gotta love it

[@or1on89]

Wooting is literally the opposite of brick and mortar…they’re online only and have zero retail presence… 😅

[@moonmessiah9368]

@or1on89 small business then? I think it's clear what I'm implying

[@Moon-lt1dl]

Might’ve been thinking about the term “mom & pop” business. But yea our friend here’s just being pedantic :)

[@toniilola]

I got my Steelseries Apex Pro TKL a few weeks ago discounted to 129,90€ and it's been amazing. Getting the Dual-actuation was a bit challenging, but after watching a short tutorial on it i got it to work first try.

[@coolieee]

shouldve used that money and got a wooting tbh, better in the long run & just a better board in general

[@toniilola]

@@coolieee Yeah you might be right, but i already had Steelseries headset and wanted a matching keyboard

[@krovarus1911]

Would love to see you test out the Drunk Deer a75 and it's "rapid trigger" equivalent compared to these other boards

[@_-frosty-_]

I said the same thing. I absolutely love mine.

[@mohamedmagdy5456]

@@_-frosty-_ Could you provide more feedback about the drunk deer as I'm thinking of buying it.

[@Tvv1SteR]

I have Apex Pro TKL Wireless, it's a really great keyboard. I had a Razer Huntsman Mini (red switches) before it for a short time, and it's also very nice little keyboard, but 60% layout isn't for me. The lack of arrow keys was my main problem, and the reason to sell it.

[@Trnql89]

Had a wooting 60HE but as soon as I saw steelseries had a tkl keyboard that’s wireless AND with rapid trigger I jumped on it because I was just tolerating life with a 60%. Wooting is definitely superior in terms of pure keyboard performance, I seem to have a lot more accidental presses with the steelseries but having the extra keys is enough for me to move on from it 😢 rip

[@OGSuperDirty]

That's what is holding me back from getting a Wooting. I don't like full size keyboards and 60% is too small. I would have instantly ordered a Wooting TKL if they had it.

[@recoveration]

Honestly, I've felt a noticeable difference when I switched from my old keyboard (Apex 3 TKL) to my new one (Apex Pro TKL) and right away I've been insanely impressed ever since and I plan to keep my new keyboard for years to come

[@sushiburps]

I've just unsubbed from almost every other clickbait and drama ridden tech channel at this point, all I need is Optimum. Can't wait for your take on the superlight 2.

[@biggonometry993]

love the minimal name change, keep doing you homie

[@jakoloc]

I bought the keyboard about a month ago and I absolutely love it. Of course, Wooting would have been an option too, but I just wanted to try something new. Love your videos! 💪

[@PhoenixKeebs]

Can you review the drunkdeer keyboard. It's a 75% keyboard with rapid trigger. It uses magnetic switches like the wooting.

[@CRA1546]

Ive just recently started watching this channel and I am blown away by the technical knowledge and effort in every video. This should be the no.1 computer tech channel on KZbin by far

[@Its-Just-Zip]

I'm mildly surprised that Wooting didn't have rapid trigger trademarked in some way. Considering it's almost their highlight feature. It would make sense for them to have trademarked it given that steel series is just calling the same feature the same thing, it doesn't look like they did. To be clear this is trademark versus patent. A trademark would not stop steal series from making the same feature. It would just stop them from calling it the same thing. But maybe there's some other background info I'm missing. Like if there's an even older company than wooting using rapid trigger that might prevent a trademark or wooting just doesn't feel like trademarking it, which is fine.

[@satsumaimox]

Wasn't the original 100% Steelseries Apex Pro the first one to have this keyboard actuation customisation?

[@-Dolphus]

yea see, that's exactly my point, they had all the damn technology to do it, IN THEIR keyboard, but first now implemented it. sorta baffles me haha.

[@kvadratyk]

Wooting made their keeb earlier

[@paneledp]

​@@kvadratykwooting didn't make their switches with hall effect until the wooting 2 in 2021, so steelseries technically had the technology back in 2019 to make it work, they just never did until now

[@kvadratyk]

@@paneledp wooting began sending their keyboard from 2017, as I know. So technically they made it first.

[@kvadratyk]

@@paneledp what about wooting one?

[@1NabbinatoR]

hey Optimum Tech 6:34 please let us always know this vital information when you review a product from now on! i bought the steelseries with the OLED display only to discover that with the software closed both the GIF and custom light get back to the default 5 profile only. they don't save on board or something. Like stop this pls we are plagued with these brand software with limited functionality if you don't keep them open and you only discover these stuff only after you buy most of the time

[@michaelthompson9798]

I’m very happy with my Wooting 60HE since I got it in the first updated run. It detects as a keyboard and controller in some titles so I get titles so I get better driving handling in title’s while also getting better fps control in the same title and others. Wooting did an amazing job with the 60HE and this is my second Wooting product and happy with both keyboards 🥰😇💪👍

[@flummi6966]

same,happy customer.

[@tahirguven8680]

Love the videos, appreciate the work u put into them. Corsair released the k70 max with a similiar feature set as the wooting. Would be cool to see a comparison of that aswell

[@ooru_]

The Steelseries is amazing. Gaming and coding feels great. But had it for 1.5 months and now it is unusable. 6 different keys are constantly getting spammed, it seems to be pretty common since an update from 4 months ago and there seems to be no fix. Until they fixed that, do not buy it!

[@yehsoojin6169]

Did they fix it now?

[@uhimres]

@@yehsoojin6169 no

[@StaySic4Ever]

Great stuff seeing more brands incorporating this. I do wonder is the optical implementation just not made as best as it could be, doubt it's a limitation of the tech at all. But yes, I'm excited more brands to pick this up, I want to see different models, really I wish to see hotswap offerings one day, that would be amazing.

[@02blunt85]

wooting is hotswap no? Im not sure and even if it is I think the switches are specific for the wooting. But I think any megnetic switch would work (I have no clue tho).

[@StaySic4Ever]

@@02blunt85 only works with their own switch type, no other compatible switches. but really need more brands to offer same type of PCBs and different type of switches too so then it will be, as it becomes more universal.

[@ArthurTully]

I use steelseries for their audio engine and even if you dont have a steelseries device they allow you to use the engine which isnthe equivalent of elgatos wave link. Their software might be a bit scuffed but it's miles better than razor imo and works great

[@W4ltzzzz]

I would really love for you to review the Monsgeek M1 HE. Its a copy of a wooting, but its made of full aluminium and its cheaper than all 3 of these keyboards! I love how in depth you review these keyboards too.

[@SteveBIRK]

Love my Wooting keyboard. I just wish they made a 65%-75% keyboard.

[@Persason]

Agreed I need a regular TKL. Given the steelseries now features what the wooting does I might just jump on that.

[@marcusannegarn8497]

I have the previous version of Alex pro tkl I like it tbh. The screen is a gimmick but I couldn't live without the volume wheel

[@rainingman338]

so could i just buy the older model and do an software updated for rapid trigger instead of buying the more expensive new model? Is ther any difference betwen hte boards? @@marcusannegarn8497

[@Azortharion]

My old SteelSeries keyboard (Apex Pro TKL I think?) would cause bluescreens with its sshid.sys driver that didn't seem to have updates available (and disabling the driver would disable the keyboard). Took me several Windows reformats and whatnot before I finally troubleshooted it with WinDbg Preview. This, plus the issue you had with the first keyboard, makes me believe that SteelSeries has some QC stuff to work on.

[@ArdaSReal]

Babe wake up, new optimum tech video just dropped Alsp bro whatd your blizz acc i want to 1v1 you on tracer

[@alexdem98]

Man how do you even count such small timings? Software? Manually counting the frames in the camera? Your production impresses me more and more each video.

[@chmod7559]

The average human reaction time is 250ms, do you really believe that a 1-3 ms difference gives any advantage or tangible difference? Are you seriously?

[@ivan.kulagin]

The main advantage of rapid trigger is that it completely removes notelock when playing osu!

[@milkyy4168]

High refreshrate displays are very much a tangible difference and going from 60-144hz is a 10 ms difference. Name one person who can’t discern that difference. Not to mention you aren’t exactly reacting if you’re strafing. You’re spamming the keys as fast as you physically can. It seems like you really don’t understand.

[@manux5306]

I just did a keyboard change after 3 years of Huntsman TE, I don't play many FPS anymore but I compared both responsiveness on Cyberpunk lol, the Wired TKL is just Godsend, the feel, the sound and finally got a wrist rest after so long lol.

[@isMiIes]

One of the few channels I would feel embarrassed not to click the like button just because of how good every single video is!

[@maieuth6501]

I have the apex pro mini and In fact you can change the sensibily of your rapid trigger and you can close the software when u saved it 👍 best gaming keyboard for me

[@LunchBoxLazers]

I waited way longer than 2 weeks for the Wooting 60. It was WELL WORTH IT!

[@StinMann]

Thank you so much!! I have a apex pro tkl and was able to update the software to get it!! Was looking at the Wooting to upgrade but now I don’t have to! Again without your vids I would have never known. So thank you again for the great videos

[@mangelo1901]

So to summarize: Wooting is still the only valid option, because every other one makes you install malware. That sucks.

[@TherealSupasurreal]

No it's not. you can turn on rapid trigger with FN+T key, so your post is invalid :)

[@shibakinu]

Hi! Would you test if DrunkDeer A75's implementation of rapid trigger is really good? Cause I haven't really see an in-depth video of it. But most of the reviews they said it is really good, especially with its price. Great video as always! I'm always waiting for your new uploads, every video is really interesting.

[@TitanGoblin736]

Dude is ripped

[@EitanKovacs]

Great video ! i was waiting for someone to review this and compare it to wooting, having the Apex mini pro wireless keyboard i am very happy with the perfromance. can you share your settings for Apex legends ? i was wondering what is the best configuration and if enabling rapid trigger just for WASD

[@zenjch]

The apex pro Tkl had a software update and now you can also adjust the actuation point of rapid triggers which is lit. It can also go to 0.1 actuation point now like the wooting

[@SLYtheartist]

Typing this on my 60HE -- I love that other companies are trying to replicate this feature because it really does make a huge difference in certain situations. I just don't understand why they're not making brand new keyboards to copy it even more closely. I feel like thats the only way they're going to fully compete with the wooting. Seems like a no brainer for Razer SteelSeries etc. to just recreate the wooting's features 1 to 1.