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[@leedsmanc]

I worked as a staff writer for an enthusiast PC hardware magazine in the 2000's. We had sophisticated benchmarks for easily quantifiable things such as RAM, hard disk, CPU performance etc, but when it came to peripherals, when we simply felt like two pieces of hardware were offering roughly the same performance, we were confident enough to say "no real world difference" or something similar, and give mice or keyboards etc the same performance score. We asked ourselves if it was possible to be more scientific, we usually concluded yes, but we didn't have enough time or expertise to build a fair testing rig, and that was for a large professional team working at a publishing house. This video especially makes me feel like back then we were letting our readers down a little and stifling the efforts of independent engineers. The fact you built a rig with a slow motion camera to test your initial hypothesis, is unbelievably good, in a world where it feels like KZbin content is in a race to the bottom in terms of shortcuts and clickbait, you are raising the game. Well done. I'm sure your audience, and the hardware developers who put incredible efforts into their design, are all incredibly thankful for your efforts.

[@MaxxDW]

I've never seen a KZbin comment more sophisticated than this.

[@TimberWulfIsHere]

fr @@MaxxDW

[@Arunnn241]

@@MaxxDW well he was a professional writer 😂

[@hunatya3183]

Well spoken!

[@figureviews]

You were a staff writer, but didn't learn how to do paragraphs

[@mintparfait]

The main thing i like about wooting is the software. Everything saving to the keyboard itself, being able to use it in a browser if you dont want to download it. Its so refreshing. All the big companies forcing you to have their bloatware open 24/7 for features is really getting to me.

[@thegiovannimauro]

I agree, I'm still using a membrane razer keyboard, but honestly I've been looking to get a new keyboard not just for better switches, but to say goodbye to the awful software that can be finicky at times and is just 1 extra process added to the startup. I'm also using a Razer Lancehead TE which is great for the most part, but I underestimated how awful an ambidextrous mouse would feel in hand (at least the shape that they chose), the underside of the right click bothers my ring finger and both my ring and pinky finger drag on the mousepad from the way I hold the mouse.

[@mintparfait]

@@thegiovannimauro I feel that pain. I'm currently stuck with razer software simply because I've never found another MMO mouse that's as comfortable as the Naga. I think some of the Razer hate is overblown. But not for the software. Yuck.

[@OkRake]

my feelings exactly

[@PropaneWP]

With any peripheral that uses features that run on software as a selling point, the software is as important as any other aspect of the product.

[@346Yoman]

tkl and full size have a screen so you can change it on the fly

[@powerslideita]

The SteelSeries software has likely been written in Electron (the same technology that vscode and discord use). Electron apps are basically a website (CSS/HTML/JS) bundled with a chromium browser (with other features of course) hence why it takes so much ram, an entire browser has to run to render the thing.

[@nobodynoone2500]

God I hate electron apps.

[@johnnyringo35]

A mere 32gb?.... pathetic.....64gb here for just my laptop. 128gb for desktop.

[@ThunderingRoar]

​@@nobodynoone2500doesn't steam also run on electron?

[@JeloOW]

@@ThunderingRoar no

[@jakobb11]

@@johnnyringo35how can you even use the pc with 128 gigs? i 256 gb sticks on my dedicated movie pc

[@Floodedisposition]

I really hope Wooting makes a 75%. Was close to buying the 60, but I just can’t do without arrow or F keys.

[@Logue_]

you can just program the wooting to do function keys by holding 1 - 0

[@tr4nnel752]

I use Wootings mod tap feature and the arrows are never a problem for me. I returned to my mx keys though for productivity, but that also has to do with me not really liking mechanical keys for typing, weird I know.

[@bjvink0130]

@@Logue_that's just a hassle, i have a 65, 75 and 80 key keyboard for different functions

[@Hnkka]

Yea same , i got apex pro tkl because wooting is 60%

[@itsv1p3r]

@@Hnkkaconsidering getting the tkl, really like the display on it lol but my anne pro 2 is 60% and is a perfect fit for my setup rn so i feel like i should just stick with 60% :/

[@SuperHeroJay]

I would like to note that since this video has been released there was an update to the SteelSeries Apex PRO firmware which allows for customization of Rapid Trigger sensitivity.

[@jonb0i]

Ever since they released rapid trigger on my apex pro I’ve actually seen a significant improvement to my movement. Glad to have a feature on my existing keyboard without spending more money on a wooting ❤

[@R1DER420]

Boiii

[@Jeff-tp6bc]

Cope

[@vevavanilla16]

i am glad this tech is catching on, means more availability and options for everybody

[@ICCraider]

@@Jeff-tp6bc It's not cope if it actually works which this video implies.

[@sinwt]

Bought a apex pro 2019 for $80. that's a steal over the wooting 60HE

[@readyforlol]

Just got my Wooting Two HE (the full size one) and that thing slaps. The fact you can just load your settings in on-board memory and straight up plug it into any computer for the first time without any extra software installed whatsoever while retaining all the features (even the RGB profiles and animations) working out of the box is insane. Analogue movement is also neat.

[@smallbutdeadly931]

Still waiting on mine but I know its going to be worth it

[@Mangomaniac]

are you able to adjust the brightness on that keyboard, because I noticed it only had volume media keys?

[@jorge69696]

The lack of crappy software is worth paying for. Hopefully companies catch on.

[@ChantingInTheDark]

I have a Wooting 60HE, it's AWESOME, far better than the Steel Series I agree.

[@coolieee]

@@Mangomaniactheres almost never a dedicated brightness button on any kb its usually just an assortment of keys depending on keyboard which yes you can lower it/turn it off etc

[@rileyalden723]

Couple updates as someone who has the SteelSeries Apex Pro TKL now: 1. The software actually does allow you to change the sensitivity of Rapid Trigger now 2. The issue of keys being spammed happened to me as well, had to decrease the sensitivity of Rapid Trigger to fix it

[@mathieuheinen8133]

I have it too I just got my keyboard 10 minutes ago and I disabled rapid trigger and did everything still same things happens I’m not using apex pro usb that’s comes with it tho I hopes it’s not cuz of that’s cuz the first 10 minutes worked😊

[@SmallBoxCentral]

The production quality on these videos just keeps on rising! Good work

[@michaelblue4619]

but the production quality of steelseries is low. Gone through 2 flagship keyboards now (apex pro tkl) and both had a huge amount of blue LEDs all die in under a year.

[@nicholaswicks3077]

We need that cat that also increases the production quality

[@HuyV]

The ends get more and more abrupt though...

[@ARCbirdman]

@@michaelblue4619 what could this possibly have anything to do with his comment

[@michaelblue4619]

@@ARCbirdman 2 words. Production Quality.

[@jettreyc]

1:44 "FN + T" is also a new default meta binding on the Apex Pro that toggles rapid trigger so as long as your keyboard firmware is up to date, you don't need to use the software to enable it

[@6tiaan]

I had the same issue with my Apex Pro Mini. I managed to fix it by changing the actuation point to above 1.8mm, after that the issue with spamming keys seemed to disappear (mind you that this was on the older firmware before rapid trigger). I still returned the keyboard though and now waiting on my Wooting to arrive hopefully this week.

[@benjaminwallace8034]

There's another Rapid Trigger keyboard that I don't think is particularly well known because its a newer company, its called the Drunkdeer A75, it uses magnetic switches just like the wooting and features a rapid trigger feature, but lacks the analog inputs of the wooting. Some older reviews of this keyboard are outdated because of how much the software for this keyboard has been developed; Old reviews claim that the keyboard does not have a true rapid trigger, which was true at the time, but the feature was since patched in. I would love to see you test this keyboard because there's not a lot of info out there on it, but I believe it to be an excellent option for anyone wanting a rapid trigger at a much lower price point than the wooting. Its also a 75% which is a preferred format for some people.

[@TheACTIONZ]

Aim adapt made an excellent review out of it

[@Tallmios]

Seconded. The 60% form factor is a deal-breaker for me. I've read Wooting might be revealing a 75% keyboard later this year though.

[@salashka0102]

drunk dear

[@danklord987]

Truly the best tech channel in the game. Just straight to the point, no cringe ad breaks, very clear results and without bias. Keep em coming!

[@snips77777]

I know everyone praises the production quality of your videos. But you must understand how much we truly appreciate the effort you put into each one, and how informative and entertaining each are.

[@uiopuiop3472]

8i donot like the wrd sanitsy check. i am do tnot

[@supergreg72]

@snips : we’ll said ! We really appreciate 👍🏻

[@uiopuiop3472]

thank tue @@supergreg72

[@Rattlezziper]

Love how straight to the point your videos are now. Even got rid of the intro to make it instantaneous

[@BanditMage]

Hey Opt, my Apex Pro Mini also broke like that similar to yours but from changing the actuation to the fastest lmao. Once it broke I could not fix it... Ended up returning it and got the Wooting. From the research I did, this type of issue isn't as uncommon as you'd think.

[@juno5435]

Same!!! I just got my Wooting yesterday, and low actuation is not an issue. I love it so far

[@saturnna467]

Got my wooting a couple months back just to try it, my mind was thinking it was just gimmicky. Was very wrong.

[@WorldKeepsSpinnin]

@@saturnna467tbh idk how this technology hasn’t become a thing faster, like a regular keyboard doesn’t sync with your finger movements at all. It’s so delayed it’s crazy.

[@JCerris]

That sucks. Waiting for my Apex Pro Mini to ship. Hoping it works cause it's a little hard to justify $205 for the Wooting for me rn.

[@5trikz]

its only $174.99@@JCerris

[@rarigate]

Lucky to have my Wooting right now, it is so hard to get especially in my country. I would like to see a review on Drunkdeer A75 as it has the same features as the Wooting but way more accessible.

[@Bllfrnd]

I have my Wooting Two HE since end of 2021 and couldn´t be happier with it´s functions like rapid trigger or adjustable activation height

[@leviking9625]

Good to see you mention the software that's part of the product. Couldn't mention how many pc hardware parts I've had that have been good but are severly let down by the lack of proper software that is actually worth a damn. After going through a handful of different keyboards I settled on the duckyone2mini specificly because it doesn't have any software to rely on because it's all built in.

[@Eiisfux]

I have the apex pro mini as well and the software is easy to use, the sonar feature is INSANELY nice and the aimtrainer is very good as well idk what problem he has 😮😮😮

[@triliner254]

@@Eiisfux The issue is, why does a keyboard/mouse software have an aim trainer? You're there to tweak settings, not to train. Also the unnecessary ad bombardment within the software, and the fact that it takes a whole gigabyte of ram to run.

[@Eiisfux]

@@triliner254 idk what everyone is talking about steelseries gg doesnt use a gb of ram on my setup, and at least for me the Aimtrainer is a nice feature + it isnt really integrated the aimtrainer needs to be dowloaded extra i believe so it doesnt even use up storage if you dont want it

[@georgefraser4623]

I have the steelseries gg software and it doesn't bombard you with any ads and the aim trainer is there if you want to use it if not it doesn't get in the way , there are no problems as far as I can tell.

[@Eiisfux]

@@georgefraser4623 exactly

[@JDUU2K]

I'd love to see you test out the Drunkdeer A75, another magnetic switch keyboard with rapid trigger that has been under a lot of people's radar for quite a while. It honestly has some of the nicer feeling stock switches I've tried on a keyboard with really good RGB implementation.

[@justnvc]

Great video! Although a slight correction: It's not a limitation of being optical that creates a deadzone at the bottom of the Razer switch, it's simply the switch itself and implementation of the optical technology. It's certainly possible for Razer to achieve better results with an optical switch in a version 2.0

[@Kazaonyt]

I love how in depth you go with your videos. Very unique and really showcases the technology of these keyboards. Nice work!

[@H786...]

i like the way you did your thumbnail and title, i dont get why i looked at the title first before looking at your thumbnail tho.

[@joel3683]

I legitimately love the effort you put into your videos, you even got some robot to more accurately test the latency, I love it.

[@stevenfeldman22]

the effort you put into your vids is unmatched, i was waiting for a video like this and I'm glad you made it

[@zunai5047]

I just have to mention that your content is the definition of high quality content. When ever I end up in a conversation about tech I mention your channel just because every aspect you bring to it is done with such care and effort. Really like to see it, even if I'm not interested in the topic of the video I end up watching it just for the Quality of it.

[@tahirguven8680]

Love the videos, appreciate the work u put into them. Corsair released the k70 max with a similiar feature set as the wooting. Would be cool to see a comparison of that aswell

[@sacrosouls]

Hello optimum, love the channel. Please consider reviewing the DrunkDeer keyboards with the magnet switches!

[@Zetraxes]

Nice video, keep up the great work Also the Drunkdeer A75 Keyboard has rapid trigger aswell. Could you please test that keyboard aswell? Really curious how it would stack up against wooting and steelseries

[@DerQuatschtuetenwuerger]

I immediatley tried it out because it sounds super interesting and instantly felt the difference, but I noticed a weird bug in the GG software (which is a bug in itself) where if you select the E key it mistakes it for the R key and vice versa. So if you select the E-Key and want it to have rapid fire, it will instead turn it on on the R-Key. Thought this might be helpful to some.

[@TheSwayzeTrain]

Your test set up was very impressive, much like your ITX build. Out of curiosity, what is your background? What were you doing before KZbin? Engineering?

[@fratozsarkams4043]

Good comparison! Thanks for the highlighting the steelseries gg bloatware issue. It also installs audio drivers for sonar and even you uninstall them it just reinstalls them after every update which is very annoying.

[@_-frosty-_]

I recently picked up the only 75% Hall Effect keyboard I could find, the Drunk Deer A75. Would love to see you cover these same tests with that one if you could get your hands on one! Maybe after next month when I believe they're going down from .2mm sensitivity to .1mm sensitivity. At only $130, with about a 2 week ship time from china, they're a pretty good deal!

[@BeBarnee]

What is the point of having 0.1 mm other than saying that a keyboard is technically faster in benchmarks? I have mine site to 1 mm and I still occasionally have accidental presses. 0.1 mm is unusable for gaming in my opinion.

[@sclapple3192]

@@BeBarnee "in my opinion". I could say the same thing for the opposing side, I for one find the feature to be perfect in all games and it can even give you a buff in specific games (where you need to make many inputs as fast as possible).

[@erisium6988]

@@BeBarnee i played for years on 0.4mm on apex tkl now 0.1 on wooting for most keys. I have to get used like to every gear and it gives a lot of advantage in csgo counterstrafing etc. U just dont feel u are using keeb to movement

[@BeBarnee]

@@sclapple3192 I totally understand the theoretical advantage, but it's too unreliable for me. If I set it too low, I can press A or D just by keeping my finger on the key. I'm happy to hear you can take advantage of it.

[@BeBarnee]

@@erisium6988 I've been playing CS on a relatively high level since 2001 so I can see what you mean. In my experience below 1 mm it's so sensitive, I sometimes mess up my ADAD because the weight of my finger accidentally triggers the key I didn't mean to press. I'm happy that you can really take advantage of this feature, maybe my fingers are not sensitive enough 😂

[@advancegeo2986]

hey Optimum i just wanted to say you and your channel are quickly becoming one of my favorite tech channels on the website not too many other people go into such in depth about peripherals and their nuances much appreciated i ended up buying my mouse because of your review

[@EitanKovacs]

Great video ! i was waiting for someone to review this and compare it to wooting, having the Apex mini pro wireless keyboard i am very happy with the perfromance. can you share your settings for Apex legends ? i was wondering what is the best configuration and if enabling rapid trigger just for WASD

[@Set_Abominae]

I love how you go all in with the quality and deep analysis with everything... That is so much interesting! Keep that will forever!

[@Sampdelu]

Wow, the test with the Arduino and the slo-mo camera is truly remarkable

[@dimtool4183]

We just need a Wooting TKL version and it will be perfect as well for other tasks like programming, and having dedicated F keys is nice too.

[@SyRose901]

​@unholydonutsI guess that's why they went with 60% *first*, but branching out to other form factors would be a very, very nice addition.

[@SeanIsAFatty]

The amount of class from these videos is insane. You go out of your way to explain everything you did and present the details for them in easy to read graphs. Because of you, I didn't buy a certain mouse upgrade because of the wireless polling issues. I'm using a Logitech superlight, but it's got a slight amount of drift that I notice with my aiming, and I've been considering a change. Coming here first is now mandatory when it comes to a peripheral upgrade.

[@rustler08]

Why would you not just warranty it? That's the entire point of a warranty...

[@SeanIsAFatty]

@@rustler08 Sorry, drift is probably the wrong word. The movement isn't 1:1? Like, sometimes I flick or move my mouse fast enough, and it doesn't go the intended distance, and then sometimes it overshoots the intended target. I play osu when I'm having a bad day and you really start to notice the polling issues. Optimum made a video regarding wireless mice a while ago and explains the polling issues in there, that's what the mouse is currently doing.

[@okage_]

to enable rapid trigger, you can also press steelseries button + t or if you have the oled screen, hold the menu button and then scroll to actuation and enable it there

[@daniel8599]

From my experience, I tested the Razer (*Analog) a week ago and the Rapidtrigger function seemed exactly as promised 0.1 mm. Could be that they have optimized it or I'm just wrong.

[@7harzi]

you need to factory reset the keyboard via the screen the only thing that changes then is the acuration point and i’ve also had the problem that it was glitching but then i just powered my pc off with the power supply on/off button and then factory reseted it with the screen on it

[@iuliani1663]

@Optimum Tech cool vid, however would have loved to have the Corsair K70 Max included into this - it also features magnetically-mechanical switches.

[@windsorwong5835]

Thanks for the comparison to the Wooting, Ive got one on order and currently use Apex Pro (older model) TKL and got the update, though buggy... Excited for my Wooting 60HE to arrive!

[@jonnytest7142]

Hey, thank you for the video. I need help. I got the apex pro mini wired last week and I didn't use it until Thursday and for the first 15 minutes it felt amazing. But the next day I came home from school and hopped on fortnite and my keyboard wasn't working, so I went to type in the in game chat and my keyboard was spamming random letters and symbols and after I downloaded the software the keyboard was still bugging. They said to raise the actuations of the left Ctrl and shift and after I did that my left shift doesn't work anymore. I'm going to send it back for a replacement and if it happens again I don't know what to do.

[@satxrnhimself]

Great video Optimum, really helped for me and my SteelSeries Apex Pro Mini!

[@lenkski3385]

I also had the same issue with the keyboard when enabling rapid trigger, i was allowed to get a replacement from retailers luckily

[@ghostcreeper_]

I've got the Apex Pro 100% version and as long as you update the firmware once with the new update, you can set the rapid trigger function/actuation points using the OLED screen on it without having to use the software or having it open in the background

[@norgtube]

Really wish wooting made a TKL

[@pezdawg93]

I bought my Wooting 60HE based on optimums initial review. Best keyboard I've ever had!

[@shibakinu]

Hi! Would you test if DrunkDeer A75's implementation of rapid trigger is really good? Cause I haven't really see an in-depth video of it. But most of the reviews they said it is really good, especially with its price. Great video as always! I'm always waiting for your new uploads, every video is really interesting.

[@vaN1ty]

This might sound as a silly or stupid question. But i know that remapping is possible in the software. Is there a way to use rapid trigger on the sidebuttons of my mouse or even m1/m2??

[@ArdaSReal]

Babe wake up, new optimum tech video just dropped Alsp bro whatd your blizz acc i want to 1v1 you on tracer

[@lnbabz]

I love my wooting60. Hope they'll do a 75% soon. I heard rumors about a TKL which is also of interest.

[@BoscoLe]

Theirs already a til.

[@guigui78340]

off topic here since i’ve seen a few of your mouse videos. i started to use a fingertip grip and i feel like it’s way easier to aim and i was wondering if the fact that my fingertips are closer to the sensor, could be the reason why i feel more precise with less effort. do you think you could test this, by 3d printing a mouse that place the sensor at the same level as the first fingertip?

[@loplopol]

You might considering trying that broken Steelseries keyboard with a shorter usb cable. I once used my Wooting board with a cable that was too long and it started spamming keys while not pressing anything. I had also accidentally turned on rapid trigger with a mode with Rgb on and the actuation was at the most sensitive, which may have contributed. I changed to the stock wooting cable and it stopped spamming long enough edit my base profile. But this may be different.

[@thinkforyourself5672]

I own the Wooting 2HE and the Apex Pro & Apex pro mini. Yes the software is noticeably different but the functions are the same. For $125 the Apex Pro mini is impressive

[@binodynamic]

I’m leaning towards the apex pro TKL 2023 as I prefer TKL and lighter 45g switches. Also the stock case of the wooting doesn’t allow me to use my wrist rest the way I like

[@thinkforyourself5672]

@@binodynamic, It's 100 percent worth it. I own 5 nice keyboards and use the Apex mini the most.

[@aggroyt5371]

I will say that the Sonar and Moments features in steelseries’ software are actually fantastic if you wanted to dabble into EQing your sound (sonar) and having a more intuitive clipping software (moments)

[@Jowee.]

I love moments, it's great.

[@wb1565]

Hi there, I have recently bought this keyboard and noticed they have updated their software to include sensitivity options for rapid trigger on the steelseries. Any chance at a follow up? Great video

[@fattydubs918]

Have you tried the drunkdeer a75? Hall effect and rapid trigger with good size

[@sushiburps]

I've just unsubbed from almost every other clickbait and drama ridden tech channel at this point, all I need is Optimum. Can't wait for your take on the superlight 2.

[@griftgfx]

Does the SteelSeries software have to run in the background, or do you only need it to save settings? And are they saved to the kb? This is pretty tempting. Love that there's a TKL available as well (even though the price gap is a little silly). I think the software is the only thing making me hesitate.

[@AyoubProds]

I'm curious about the same thing. Did you find the answer for this?

[@caligaming9386]

+1 curious about this as well!

[@AyoubProds]

@caligaming9386 No, it does not have to run in the background and also the keyboard has a built-in memory, so anything you save or all the settings that you save from the software. They get saved straight to the keyboard, so even if you delete the software or take your keyboard to your friend's house to play, you can just plug it in and it'll load all your macros and all your RGB and rapid trigger settings

[@mathieuheinen8133]

I just got a apex pro tkl 2023 I updated its software enabled the rapid trigger and it broke the keyboard

[@ohxtg]

i wish for the testing portion of the video you also included a regular 45g spring switch keyboard. Good video tho

[@krovarus1911]

Would love to see you test out the Drunk Deer a75 and it's "rapid trigger" equivalent compared to these other boards

[@_-frosty-_]

I said the same thing. I absolutely love mine.

[@mohamedmagdy5456]

@@_-frosty-_ Could you provide more feedback about the drunk deer as I'm thinking of buying it.

[@jakoloc]

I bought the keyboard about a month ago and I absolutely love it. Of course, Wooting would have been an option too, but I just wanted to try something new. Love your videos! 💪

[@thecircusb0y1]

I don’t any steel series products, but I used the steel series sonar audio portion of their software for the equalizer and other features.

[@tokenxyba4827]

5:04 small update/info Steelseries also can now regulate the sensitivity. Ive just got a softwareupdate for my Steelseries TKL Pro with Rapid Trigger and this option exists now for Steelseries.

[@Girvo747]

The fact these guys at least make a TKL (though I’d prefer a 75%) means they get my money. I’ve been waiting for this from someone

[@Clumrat]

Wooting has said they'll release a TKL or something between 60% and full-size

[@godminnette2]

​@@cock8069reread the comment, they said something between 60% and full size, they clearly know wooting already makes a full size.

[@DelScully]

@@Clumrat I asked again in the reddit forum and they said no plans yet but they've talked about it but it will take a long time as it took them years just to get the 60he ready apparently and they "dont want it to become obsolete" which is bs imo as lots of people will still prefer that layout but many of us need the 75% layout as a minimum.

[@Clumrat]

@@DelScully You can also get the full-size

[@Definitely_Melnyx]

I know it sounds insane, but what about having two keyboards? One for gaming and one for everything else? Nearly all keyboards have detachable cable and since usb c is the standard it is a non issue to have multiple in use.

[@pottue]

If you don't want to use the SteelSeries software you can just remove it or disable the software from starting up from Windows (Task Manager) after you have setup and saved the settings. The settings are saved inside the keyboard and you don't need the software anymore. Works fine for me.

[@ilpastor]

It's amazing the switch tester you have done!

[@platoonMNK]

@optimum Mr. Optimum, quick question. What is your opinion about Wooting Tachyolon mode? Greetings

[@CRA1546]

Ive just recently started watching this channel and I am blown away by the technical knowledge and effort in every video. This should be the no.1 computer tech channel on KZbin by far

[@moonmessiah9368]

Can we just give a round of applause for Wooting? They are essentially a small brick and mortar business competing against the biggest brands in the space and a year later they are still mopping the floor with them.

[@kinggaskins1886]

You gotta love it

[@or1on89]

Wooting is literally the opposite of brick and mortar…they’re online only and have zero retail presence… 😅

[@moonmessiah9368]

@or1on89 small business then? I think it's clear what I'm implying

[@Moon-lt1dl]

Might’ve been thinking about the term “mom & pop” business. But yea our friend here’s just being pedantic :)

[@capitoneo]

This is the first thig I noticed while was gaming on a mechanical keyboard. The travel distance is too long from bottom to the actuation point. This was especially noticed in moments where you should burst some key as fast as you can. (Like putting money in a bag during robbery in GTA Online) I solved this by putting o-rings on keycups. I don't understand why they don't box those o-rings as an optional accessory with keyboards on linear switches. But yeah, having that programmable distances is really cool feature if you have money for that.

[@CDeeez94]

This was wildly impressive. The testing you did, the research, the contraptions you built...well done! Thank you for this. 🙏

[@Trnql89]

Had a wooting 60HE but as soon as I saw steelseries had a tkl keyboard that’s wireless AND with rapid trigger I jumped on it because I was just tolerating life with a 60%. Wooting is definitely superior in terms of pure keyboard performance, I seem to have a lot more accidental presses with the steelseries but having the extra keys is enough for me to move on from it 😢 rip

[@OGSuperDirty]

That's what is holding me back from getting a Wooting. I don't like full size keyboards and 60% is too small. I would have instantly ordered a Wooting TKL if they had it.

[@michaelthompson9798]

I’m very happy with my Wooting 60HE since I got it in the first updated run. It detects as a keyboard and controller in some titles so I get titles so I get better driving handling in title’s while also getting better fps control in the same title and others. Wooting did an amazing job with the 60HE and this is my second Wooting product and happy with both keyboards 🥰😇💪👍

[@flummi6966]

same,happy customer.

[@Azortharion]

My old SteelSeries keyboard (Apex Pro TKL I think?) would cause bluescreens with its sshid.sys driver that didn't seem to have updates available (and disabling the driver would disable the keyboard). Took me several Windows reformats and whatnot before I finally troubleshooted it with WinDbg Preview. This, plus the issue you had with the first keyboard, makes me believe that SteelSeries has some QC stuff to work on.

[@Enigma11233]

I just really love your channel. Compared to other channels you can give a more competitive view on tech stuff. Big thanks man.

[@zzzlap]

Wasn't the original 100% Steelseries Apex Pro the first one to have this keyboard actuation customisation?

[@-Dolphus]

yea see, that's exactly my point, they had all the damn technology to do it, IN THEIR keyboard, but first now implemented it. sorta baffles me haha.

[@kvadratyk]

Wooting made their keeb earlier

[@paneledp]

​@@kvadratykwooting didn't make their switches with hall effect until the wooting 2 in 2021, so steelseries technically had the technology back in 2019 to make it work, they just never did until now

[@kvadratyk]

@@paneledp wooting began sending their keyboard from 2017, as I know. So technically they made it first.

[@kvadratyk]

@@paneledp what about wooting one?

[@SteveBIRK]

Love my Wooting keyboard. I just wish they made a 65%-75% keyboard.

[@Persason]

Agreed I need a regular TKL. Given the steelseries now features what the wooting does I might just jump on that.

[@marcusannegarn8497]

I have the previous version of Alex pro tkl I like it tbh. The screen is a gimmick but I couldn't live without the volume wheel

[@rainingman338]

so could i just buy the older model and do an software updated for rapid trigger instead of buying the more expensive new model? Is ther any difference betwen hte boards? @@marcusannegarn8497

[@OaklandTae]

I had the Apex Mini Pro while I waited for the Wooting 60he last year... served me well, good to see I have an update waiting for me the next time I use it. I use it as my travel kb now.

[@Saintdog000]

Bro, I like you so much. You do great videos! I came back to the "Ryzen 5000 Undervolting with PBO2" video you did so many times, it helped out so many of my friends! Stay strong!

[@ArthurTully]

I use steelseries for their audio engine and even if you dont have a steelseries device they allow you to use the engine which isnthe equivalent of elgatos wave link. Their software might be a bit scuffed but it's miles better than razor imo and works great

[@isMiIes]

One of the few channels I would feel embarrassed not to click the like button just because of how good every single video is!

[@AdvancedGamingYT]

AKKO also made a 75% hall effect keyboard can't wait for you to try it out!

[@freakynaughtylive]

I got the same bug you got on your steel series on my Wooting. it has to do with the RGB lighting setting off the optical switches making the keyboard go crazy.

[@LunchBoxLazers]

I waited way longer than 2 weeks for the Wooting 60. It was WELL WORTH IT!

[@mangelo1901]

So to summarize: Wooting is still the only valid option, because every other one makes you install malware. That sucks.

[@TherealSupasurreal]

No it's not. you can turn on rapid trigger with FN+T key, so your post is invalid :)

[@alexdem98]

Man how do you even count such small timings? Software? Manually counting the frames in the camera? Your production impresses me more and more each video.

[@JohnDoe-lm6or]

It’s good to see more affordable options and more available keyboards with this amazing feature. But honestly if you want to make an investment with a keyboard getting a wooting and custom keycaps and aluminum case is the way to go. The software is great and if you don’t want to install anything you can just use the browser version. Hearing the steel series missing the arrow tap functionality is also a big miss tapping keys for something like arrows is very important for a 60% keyboard you don’t realize how many keys that you use every day are missing on a 60% keyboard until they are not there.

[@chmod7559]

The average human reaction time is 250ms, do you really believe that a 1-3 ms difference gives any advantage or tangible difference? Are you seriously?

[@ivan.kulagin]

The main advantage of rapid trigger is that it completely removes notelock when playing osu!

[@milkyy4168]

High refreshrate displays are very much a tangible difference and going from 60-144hz is a 10 ms difference. Name one person who can’t discern that difference. Not to mention you aren’t exactly reacting if you’re strafing. You’re spamming the keys as fast as you physically can. It seems like you really don’t understand.

[@mohamedmagdy5456]

Hey Optimum, I'd love to see you try the DrunkDeer A75 and compare it to the other keyboards especially the wooting.

[@Minded-.-]

Your videos are so aesthetically pleasing, I love it. Are your walls painted black with matching blinds? Or what am I looking at, it looks futuristic

[@nuggyfresh6430]

Great video but I have this keyboard and you can turn on the rapid trigger from the OLED screen on the keyboard, you don't need to use the software, though you DO need to grab the new firmware for it from the software. Not really the same thing though and I wouldn't call that a downside really since it's just grabbing the software, updating, then turning it off.

[@Frozoken]

Availability and hall effect switches are why I bought the 2023 apex pro tkl back in january just waiting for the inevitable rapid trigger implementation. In raw performance, it's about the same just with less customisation and bloaty software but that's about it. Personally I dont care at all about double keys and haven't seen a reason to want to lower rapid strigger sensitivity besides turning it straight off on shift like most people do so the form factor outweights the much cleaner software for me. It was also mitigated by learning to disable so much of the garbage too I will say but that requires a time investment that most understandably don't want to make.

[@lilpurple5184]

The new corsair K70 now also has this feature. It would be cool if you could test this too and as always great video. Keep it up 👍

[@LastAphelion]

I swear to god I will be upset if Corsair didn't eliminate their multiple input syndrome that always develops on their keys with this new one... guess I'm gonna find out this month. It's pretty much the biggest reason I'm afraid to buy from them again

[@StaySic4Ever]

Great stuff seeing more brands incorporating this. I do wonder is the optical implementation just not made as best as it could be, doubt it's a limitation of the tech at all. But yes, I'm excited more brands to pick this up, I want to see different models, really I wish to see hotswap offerings one day, that would be amazing.

[@02blunt85]

wooting is hotswap no? Im not sure and even if it is I think the switches are specific for the wooting. But I think any megnetic switch would work (I have no clue tho).

[@StaySic4Ever]

@@02blunt85 only works with their own switch type, no other compatible switches. but really need more brands to offer same type of PCBs and different type of switches too so then it will be, as it becomes more universal.

[@MGK195]

does the steel series software need to run in the background or can i enable it and uninstall the software?