Option-O Lagom P64: Just the right amount?

[@option-ocoffeegrinder]

Awesome video! Thanks for your support!😉

[@arvindmd13]

Great production quality - nice video of an outstanding grinder. I've been using the p64 for 6 months and love it for its clean design asthetic, superb build quality, and excellent performance.

[@an17-j4k10]

I have been absolutely fawning over this grinder for the past few months and I genuinely think I may have watched every youtube review there is to watch on it. I can confidently say that yours is by far the most informative and enjoyable to watch in my opinion. Aside from being informative, your videos have some of the nicest b-roll. I hope you keep making content and I look forward to seeing what you do next :)

[@SimonDrysdale]

Thanks for taking the time to watch and write such a kind comment. It really does mean a lot. I do plan on continuing to make content so please do stick around! :)

[@Douglaskyle9191]

So I have this grinder as well. Upon receipt I did not realize how large the grinder was and the weight. Fast forward 2 months later and this grinder to me was worth every dollar over my previous clunky specialita workflow and quality of build as well as accuracy dialing in espresso. Also the rpm adjustment is just so awesome as it opens the door for other experiments.

[@stegleryo]

I agree I’ve watched many reviews of this grinder and this tops them all. Great work.

[@jerezdeperez2096]

What can one say. This is how reviews should be done. Subd

[@peterfraunhoffer7126]

Excellent review! I own a P64 since several months and I‘m totally happy with it. It looks great, it‘s nice to handle and the espresso tastes great. As I‘m an espresso only person I ordered it with the SSP High Uniformity burrs, it has been the right choice for me.

[@shiyuliu]

Cool, such a high quality video!

[@Ashurus]

This guy said "I'm going to make the most aesthetic coffee channel ever"

[@ziptiefighter]

Superb video👌 I learned some new details despite having seen other reviews. This grinder remains on my list of possibles if/when I upgrade from my old workhorse Eureaka Mignon.

[@Ilovesnow123]

Ridiculously good review. Thanks for sharing!

[@adamharber5590]

Just come across your coffee videos, I'm a coffee enthusiast and really appreciate the asthetic and format of your videos. I hope you carry on making coffee related videos!

[@SimonDrysdale]

Hi Adam, thanks for your really kind comment and feedback. It means a lot. Yep I'm going to continue making videos, more videos will be coming along soon!

[@ystebadvonschlegel3295]

Truly excellent review. Production and information are both excellent! Thank you.

[@mike_w_21]

Great vid! Hopefully the next gen model addresses some of the issues mentioned, that being said, this looks like it could be my endgame grinder. Cheers!

[@80Entreri]

Impressed by the quality of the production and the content quality. Well done!

[@marcob.7801]

Excellent video. Just put myself on the wait list partially because of your video! Thanks,...great job.

[@SimonDrysdale]

Thanks for your comment! That's great news. I'm glad the video helped you decide. I'm sure you'll really enjoy using it.

[@marcob.7801]

@@SimonDrysdale I opted for a Fiorenzato F4 all Ground. Could not get a hold of the chinese Option-O people.

[@thePowerPlant]

Thank you for producing this video. The style of it is slick as hell and your criticism comes off as truly believable. Unfortunately, far too many channels here on YT, have decided to take handouts and freebies, which make them biased and off putting. If you continue to make coffee content I hope that you self fund it and stay true to these initial reviews.

[@Jaroslav.]

This is the grinder I’d go for if I ever wanted to single dose. Again, nice review Simon!

[@SimonDrysdale]

Thanks again for the kind comment Jaroslav! :)

[@pithyginger6371]

Yo this channel is underrated

[@Kevin-finity]

Excellent review!!! Wonderful video production. P64 is definitely a great machine but I decide to buy the Lagom P100 though. to pair with my La Marzzoco Mini. P100 is the end game for the home barista.

[@HibiscusFlowerFC]

The shot with your cat was marvelous 😃.

[@jakeralph93]

Excellent review!

[@joeCYsiu]

This is class A content. The b-rolls are superb. So many videos are focused on workflow and equipment design, and there is a dearth of content on taste in the cup. If you could borrow other grinders and do side by side tasting comparison that would be awesome.

[@meesteryeyeye]

Amazing review. Your content is fantastic. I hope I can get a Option-O Lagom P64 in the future. It's a grail grinder for me. Keep up the great work and content.

[@SimonDrysdale]

Hi Andy, thanks for the really nice feedback. I put a lot of time into these effort so the comments do mean a lot to me. I hope you can get yourself a P64 in future, it really is a great grinder. More videos coming up in future so do stick around :)

[@NickWebster]

Decent makes a tall portafilter funnel that attaches magnetically. I think that'll work for you.

[@cliffcox7643]

I have it w the SSP Red burrs,, It's PERFECT.. The machine and burrs, that is.. MY ONLY COMPLAINT... The cord at the rear protrudes a little bit much, so it can't get as close to the wall as possible.. Maybe if it was angled downward or had a flat plug

[@SimonDrysdale]

Yep 😂

[@johnnyyacoub8772]

Great video! Sorry about your base plate haha. I was strongly considering a p64 for a long time, it's a beautiful grinder. I ultimately got a p100.

[@toasterboy708]

Wonderful review.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I have a df64 custom aluminum funnel that works with the Lagom P64 pretty well but it's not magnetic and the one that works with the portafilter does go into the basket a little.

[@samirahmed2420]

And who doesn't need a Scottish Hoffman? Happy days.

[@SimonDrysdale]

That’s high praise indeed! Cheers.

[@jamesmcgorm2132]

Fantastic reviews, congratulations. Can you advise what storage you are using for the single dose. Thank you

[@navidqowsi5618]

What is youre take on the df83 in comparison to p64?

[@Hyytekk]

Pardon my second comment! I was set on the P64 until I saw, just today the existence of their new 01 grinder. I found the P100 to be lacking in the elegant esthetics of the P64 so had no interest. This 01, on the other hand seems like it has several substantial innovations. I like that it has eliminated the forks. The new design has a magnetic holder for a mobile portafilter. It has a button on the front that can aid in knocking out any remaining fines. It also incorporates some antistatic component so no RDT is necessary. The motor spins up after it detects the grind is finished to further motivate fines into surrendering into the exit. The motor is a monstrous 1300W and can do a grind with its much larger burrs in about a third the time or less. No forks also means no mishaps of a portafilter vibrating out and falling, scratching that aluminum. The size is truly a beast and it weights twice as much as the P64. It's also about $800 more than the P64. It's more than I and most home users need unless you have a family the size of a sports squad. The style design is also less than enchanting. But now I am torn as to which one to order, though both are magnificent machines. Do you have any thought on this new offering or feel intrigued to make a change?

[@SimonDrysdale]

Thank you for your kind comment yesterday, I do read them all and they mean a lot. I haven't used the 01 so I can't really comment on that grinder specifically. However the innovations seem quite interesting, I like the idea behind the magnetic grinder stand thing; but I'd have to use it to know for sure that it wasn't a gimmick or something that is easily knocked over. I'm sure they put strong magnets on it. Provided it's stable it's a good idea. Having said that - option-O said that they have changed the fork design on the P64 since I bought mine and there's no longer a risk of the portafilter holder vibrating out. It doesn't happen on mine all that often but I just stand there for the short time it takes to grind to avoid it. The choice between the 01 and the p64 is more of a matter of if you want the 'absolute best' and are willing to pay significantly more for it, or if you're happy with what is already an excellent grinder in the P64. You could probably argue both are overkill for the home user but I'd say the p64 is probably more suitable for a hobbyist home user. The other thing is that 01 looks massive; so I would factor that into your decision and the distinction between 64mm burs and 102 I don't think is very large when. it comes to the actual taste in the cup; although I've never tested burrs that large so I can't be certain on that. Regarding your question on colour, it's obviously personal and a taste thing but I am clumsy and always scratch / ding things despite my best efforts, and I think that would show up more on the black (as would the fingerprints); and as it happens I prefer silver, so I'd always buy the silver one. Best of luck deciding, I don't you can really choose wrong either way; they'll both be great.

[@Dotes111]

Thank you for the fantastic review! Since purchasing the P64, have you tried any other 64 mm burrs?

[@BensCoffeeRants]

The latest version has a WDT tool without hooks, I think it's 0.4mm thick needles. Mine also came with a magnetic funnel although it's not colour matched to my silver P64 it's black. I noticed your portafilter fork in some of the shots here looked like it's on an off angle, but also your portafilter ears are a bit angled / beveled so that probably didn't help with it staying on nicely. I also have a DF64 and it comes with some extra little silicon socks that go over its forks, they fit the top forks on mine so I use it, just because I don't like the metal on metal feeling if I'm using the dosing cup on the forks, but it also helps keep the portafilter in better most likely. You can do something similar, maybe with shrink wrap for wires. You're right about RPM, higher RPM usually means more fines, more body (maybe more bitterness) and less flavour clarity, with different burrs the ideal RPM range might be different, I found with SSP unimodal multipurpose burrs, higher RPM is necessary (above 7) to get good results for espresso, or at least I just haven't had great luck with really low RPM on those burrs. I think it's 'too' unimodal and lacking in fines.

[@JonatasSantiago]

Hi there! Nice comment. I was curious here: how much different you think DF64 is from P64 in terms of espresso tasting? I'm not considering the build quality or anything other than the result in the cup. Is P64 reasonably better than DF64 on that matter? Or most people wouldn't find difference in the cup between those 2? much appreciate your reply 🙏

[@BensCoffeeRants]

​@@JonatasSantiagoI've had many DF 64s and the problem is you never know if you have a good one or not so good one. I've only had two p64 but both of them have been really good. If your alignment is off or kluemper is misbehaving or some other quality control issue then the DF 64 is not going to be as good or consistent but if everything else is equal with the same burrs you should get very similar or identical results at the same RPM. However retention and workflow an accessories and everything is just nicer with the p64

[@JonatasSantiago]

@@BensCoffeeRants got it. thanks so much for getting back to my message 🙏

[@heatherdenholm4033]

Another brilliant review, we use the grinder built into our Sage barista pro however your review has really got us thinking, maybe it’s time for an upgrade?

[@ratcatcher101]

Nice video, really enjoyed it. I've just ordered mine in black with the SSP MP burrs, I live in the UK as well, how much did you have to pay for import taxes ?

[@r_bear]

Re: magnetic portafilter funnel, OO have developed one which is now shipping with new purchases-at least with the P100, but I think with the P64 as well. If you reply to your order confirmation email, they should send you a link to buy it. The price is quite reasonable.

[@shaunlimks]

I can confirm that it is available for purchase. I contacted them and I got it sent pretty promptly. Magnetic funnel was a good upgrade. Worth asking them about the pf holder too

[@IMNOTABARISTA]

Nice review, Simon.

[@SimonDrysdale]

Thank you

[@themrgumbatron]

Nice review

[@OB1Kinobe]

Great content. Before chosing the Option did you consider others? Pros and cons for the 3 closest competitors?

[@81funktion]

Where did you get those glass jars from?

[@oscarkallenbach9131]

Great review! What I don’t understand 、maybe someone can chime in , if the burr is so important, why are there 3 big holes drilled in to mount it? It must be minimum 5% impact on uncontrolled behavior of the burr. Should not be too difficult to bottom mount it and have much better control of what the burrs can deliver. This is not just this product, it’s quite common.

[@pitno716]

A bit late so idk if you'll see this, but the sworksdesign or the Decent funnel should work really good for you, look similar in height

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

Excellent review! Anyways, I have a Eureka Specialita grinder that works great and cost way less that I bought as an upgrade from my old Rocky Rancilio grinder. The Option-O looks ace but way overpriced. Same with 6k plus espresso machines, too rich for my blood with the wrecked current economy and stock market tanking.

[@Hyytekk]

Incredible review, content and execution! I just ordered my P64 in black. I saw it first on the real sprometheus channel and was enchanted by the quality, design and esthetics. Im having second thoughts about the black vs silver, though. I believe the black will show scratches much more prominently as well as collected static fines. Did you choose your silver version for esthetic reasons or wear concerns, or perhaps both. Please continue to create more content. Wonderful work.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

3:57 I was just telling someone else the manual says "30s on/30s off for continuous operation (>20 shots at espresso setting). For less than that, there is no limitation. " I thought that meant you can do 30 seconds of grinding for espresso, then 30 seconds off, for up to 20 shots, but now I'm re-thinking that. Does it mean it only needs the 30 second break after doing 20+ shots?

[@marapamts]

Definitely means you only need the 30 second break if you do more than 20 shots in a row (the ">20 shots" is them defining "continuous operation"), the wording is quite clear I think.

[@jeff9940]

My Niche soft molded metal/chrome plated metal adjustment threads has worn out. What type of metal does Option-O has chosen for the 2 parts of the mecanical grind adjustment ?

[@jeff9940]

and congrats for the quality of your video.

[@SimonDrysdale]

Thanks for your comment! Everything that I can see, apart from the burrs themselves is made from CNC 6061 anodised aluminium, including the parts for the grind adjustment, so I can't see them wearing out easily unless you were really rough on them.

[@jeff9940]

@@SimonDrysdale I change from regular beans to decafeinated beans each day so I need to adjust grnd setting 2x/day. This killed my Niche in less than 6 month. I don't know if I need two grinders. My Breville grinder pro are still working after 4 years of changing setting twice a day but they have not ennough adjustment precision to dial for E61+ims baskets. Still looking grinders...

[@jasonvespa7452]

Great review! Well done. A flat burr single dose grinder is next on my list of upgrades ... I think it will be this one at this stage.

[@SimonDrysdale]

Thanks for watching and your kind feedback! Hope you get hold of a p64. It’s a great grinder.

[@NewtonInDaHouseYo]

RDT ... isn't that just a water spray? BTW, as of 11/2022, the base price is now higher at 1585 USD. Great review!

[@sweetmotash]

Great review!. im downscaling from ek43s tweaked by titus. imo 98mm burrs are overrated. Diminishing returns it is.. ;) Tomorrow im ordering p64

[@SimonDrysdale]

Thanks for watching and commenting! I actually haven't used any 98mm burrs so I'm curious as to why you think they're overrated, aside from the diminishing returns? Cheers!

[@JZ_42]

you probably want to check out the dosing funnel from barista hustle. Should be high enough for your p64.

[@jettav88]

I would like to upgrade to this grinder but really like my Niche. Is it worth it for espresso quality? Thanks!!

[@SimonDrysdale]

I guess it depends why you want to upgrade. The Niche is conical burrs and the Option-O is flat, which will result in a different taste but I would say one over the other is a matter of preference. I haven't actually tried the Niche yet but it's safe to say the build quality on the Option-O is higher.

[@jettav88]

@@SimonDrysdale Thank You!

[@joconnell]

Love the design of your videos simon! I don’t suppose you know if the motor is world voltage since it’s a kettle type lead? Or did you have to pick a Uk / euro specific power rating?

[@markhellaby7309]

Did you season the burrs? If so how many kgs of beans did it take to season?

[@SimonDrysdale]

I'm personally not sold on the idea of seasoning burrs, so for my grinder I didn't bother.

[@markhellaby7309]

@@SimonDrysdale did you notice any changes in consistency/taste during your initial month or so of using the grinder? Or was it just great out of the box?

[@Andrew-wp1bz]

Great video as always! Sorry for being nerdy but… When you did your retention test did you weight the RDT beans after they had been sprayed? Spritzing then with water will add weight and needs to be accounted for. Have you seen the bean vaults from Craig Lyn or Weber Workshops? You might really enjoy adding them to your workflow. As you touched in in the video, increasing RPM will produce more fines, while decreasing it will reduce fines. This allows you to dial in for body (more fines) or clarity (less fines).

[@SimonDrysdale]

Hi Andrew, Thanks for your kind feedback, really appreciated! Glad you enjoyed the video. Yeah with the retention test I did the weight after the spray to factor in the extra weight of the liquid. I did consider including some information about that but thought people might lose interest! I repeated it a few time and got the same figures. As I touched on there would obviously have been more conclusive results if I had a scale that went to two or three decimal places. I have seen the Weber Workshops bean cellars and would love to try them out, they're quite pricey to ship to where I live but I might have to test them out! I've actually never tried any of Weber Workshops gear but I hear it's all really nice quality. Have you tried them?

[@navidqowsi5618]

Did you have to pay for any extra tax to get it deliverd in the uk?

[@SimonDrysdale]

I checked and I can't remember / find any record of paying any additional taxes to the UK but it looks like if you buy new from Option-O then there are extra taxes to pay.

[@RGisk]

Thanks for putting together such a thorough overview. I have a novice question that may be really dumb: in this video (nor in your Linea Mini video) you aren't weighing your ground coffee. Is this because the Lagom P64 will grind an exact, measured dose? Or is weighing/gauging still required?

[@SimonDrysdale]

Hi there, no problem, glad you enjoyed it! I think that's a perfectly reasonable question. So I would always recommend weighing your ground coffee. With the caveat that if you have a very low retention single dosing grinder (like the Lagom P64), then I personally don't. I weigh the beans before I put them into the grinder and I know with the RDT spray that I am going to get out

[@Hammi4Real]

I'm about to score a -used- P64 this weekend. My heart is palpitating, lord almighty what am I doing. Regardless this gives me relief and comfort about the spending so thanks.

[@pippipster6767]

Beautifully shot - lovely grinder … (but maybe speak a bit more slowly.)

[@SimonDrysdale]

Hi Pip, thanks for the feedback and kind comments. That's useful feedback actually because I often think I'm speaking too slowly!

[@davidmaurice1294]

@@SimonDrysdale I think your speed is just fine, but it seems like from your editing there's no pause between sentences. Makes it sound like you go through each section in one breath. A pause also helps people process what they're hearing, so without it I think it makes it more challenging to absorb the content fully. Excellent review by the way! I know how hard it is to create these videos and you do a better job than I will probably ever do. Just came across your channel and have subscribed.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

0:01 That was NOT 'Just the right amount' :D

[@vvvwaroshi]

Is the RPM adjustment stepless?

[@SimonDrysdale]

Yes

[@endlessocean1731]

I only have kinu m47 simplicity both for filter & espresso machine 🥲