Orient Ray II vs Seiko SRPB09 Blue Lagoon "Samurai" - Which Should You Buy?

Today we are comparing the Orient Ray II and the Seiko SRPB09 Blue Lagoon Samurai to find out which automatic watch is best! Did our watch review/comparison surprise you? Let us know your thoughts in the comments below.
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[@70DMac]

I have both watches. The Seiko is aligned perfect, no problems at all. I have a newer version so maybe they corrected it. I have the save the ocean 2019 model. I have the black Orient on metal bracelet and it's also awesome. Love them both.

[@blasien1]

thanks for being honest about seiko quality glitches, they're common and infuriating. as you probably know visual inspection is the most basic level of quality control, Seiko flunks this repeatedly with glaring misalignment issues. I bought a chronograph with every single chrono hand misaligned. what's the point of a 1/5 s meca quartz movement running on a dial off by seconds to start with? anyway, you may be lucky you didn't get the 6r movement, I find mine to be wildly unstable and therefore difficult to regulate

[@nylocks8433]

How about instead of saying "hey Seiko if you're watching this send me a new watch" and laughing about it you hurry up and RETURN THE WATCH RIGHT AWAY!! Call up or E-mail the dealer you bought it from and talk to someone about it, know your options. You are clearly not satisfied with your watch, you bought it from an Authorized Dealer, so get off your ass, stop lamenting/complaining/whining, and make good use of that warranty? You got this watch like 3 days ago? don't wait, ask for a refund, exchange, or warranty service right away!! Act now before they are all sold out and you are stuck.

[@jhmsmarttv795]

The Orient Ray II is 41,5 mm, not 38 or what you said.

[@rockon21ful]

pop the bezel off, take out the insert and put the bezel back on the watch and put the insert back into the bezel while its on the watch. Just make sure you have it aligned before you pop it in..

[@totogosu8698]

its the inner chapter ring tho...

[@mkhilario]

Upgrade your sammy with a sapphire dome. The chapter ring (that's what it's called) alignment can be corrected during the install.

[@simeonaleksiev8690]

Seiko uses only in- house movements...

[@PerfectTimepiece]

+Simeon Aleksiev, You are correct sir! I forgot to mention that! Thanks for watch-ing, Josh

[@dustinr16]

Lol... You said the Seiko was not an in-house movement.

[@leoscarpoli1nonly]

So does my local brothel

[@Gruuvin1]

@@leoscarpoli1nonly dum

[@ivanfinnley8085]

i realize I am kind of off topic but do anyone know of a good website to watch new tv shows online?

[@carse2084]

With the $250 difference, the comparison is clear after all. I have 3 Orient and they are great. But I don't understand why the filmer doesn't try to make a click of the bezel to the left on the Seiko.

[@johndonnelly5971]

I just got the Samurai Save the Ocean, and its basically the same watch as yours, but.......its face is gorgeous. Talk about subjective, I love this watch.

[@JRoJamz]

At the beginning I believe you meant to say you could be objective, not subjective. I have been itching to get a new Samurai, but with the standard textured dial in blue. More understated, better to my tastes as a daily beater. Wonder if that has the same quality issues, which, with the movement, are a bit disappointing.

[@dysfunctionalcv7696]

Orient ray 2 vs seiko skx is a better comparison

[@jonlloyd7772]

I enjoyed watching this video. These are both watches that I would consider wearing and taking diving. But these are dive watches, and they were reviewed as jewellery. No consideration was given to the fact that the Seiko is an ISO rated diver, meaning that every piece is rigourously tested. Unlike the Bach testing that I expect Orient conducts on their ''water resistant' divers. the bezel may be slightly misaligned at the 12 o'clock position, but the point of a dive bezel is to align it with the minute hand, which could be anywhere on the dial. A 120 click bezel will allow you to do this to +/- 15 seconds accuracy. where it is at 12 is irrelevant. I agree the Ray is a great value watch, and is actually closer to my ideal size for a dive watch. But I can't help feeling that you marked the Seiko down, for all the wrong reasons. The new hour hand is much more suitable for a dive watch too, by the way, as it cannot be confused with the minute hand. And finally... did you REALLY say that the mako is NOT a submariner homage? Did you look at the case? the shape of the indices? the crown guards?

[@70DMac]

That Orient does not belong on a leather strap, just doesn't look right on a diver style watch IMO.

[@cameraz99]

Good review, but you should have compared the Seiko Samurai with the Orient Mako USA II, which sells for $375 on the Orient website. It has a sapphire crystal and has hacking. I almost wish I had bought the Mako instead of the Samurai. Seiko needs to improve its quality control.

[@abc1099a]

Seiko's are notorious for having misaligned chapter rings. Definitely disappointing that's still an issue for a 400+ dollar watch. I'd personally still take the SRP despite the flaws.

[@PerfectTimepiece]

+abc1099a I also like the watch, despite its flaws. Thanks for watch-ing, Josh

[@totogosu8698]

omg that inner chapter ring misalignment on the seiko is driving me nuts!

[@WCC7]

it's because you got it online. a lot of dealers online get the "b" stock where the quality control isn't as good. I bought my locally from an AD an mine lines up perfect. sometimes/a lot of the time it's better to buy locally

[@PerfectTimepiece]

+chris marchese, Could be! I am probably going to end up the returning the piece and trying to get one that lines up correctly. Thanks for watch-ing, Josh

[@Zeus-kj7nn]

I've bought many seikos from different sources. Most have misalignment issues mate

[@1Sanantoniomatute]

Usability should be lower on the orient, I think Bezel ease and action is THE feature that makes a dive watch. If you get it wrong or subpar, hmm, not really usable. I purchased the blue Mako II and returned because of the bezel and the difficult crown. (I'm a bit OCD about timing daily activities, I really need a good bezel). Tremendously beautiful watch, the Ray and the Mako. Perhaps someday with a Mako III. BTW, you have, by far, some of the best natural lighting and capture of watches of any reviews.

[@ChefTom777]

usability is to tell accurate time.. & seiko fall short in that category.. they lack on quality control of making accurate time & orient is always runs accurate out of the box & even after many years of use... the reason wht you have a watch is to tell you the time especially if you job requires accurate time like the ospital, business meetings, rescue missions etc.. orient is more dependable..

[@DwyaneWadeCounty]

Which is the better looking and beautiful watch that would distract people, the Orient Ray 2 or the Seiko Snkl23?

[@bowiemars1]

Orient Ray 2 dude.

[@waktosha7378]

The Ray 2 is 41.5 mm not including crown.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

if im looking for a 150dollar watch im not gonna look at 400dollar pieces lol

[@proofpositive2379]

this review is wrong on many levels. The seiko is part of the prospex lineup, which means its part of their hard use lineup and is a ISO rated dive watch. Whereas, the Orient has no ISO rating, isn't tested for hard use, and basically a fashion accessory. I rather choose a watch that I know can take a beating over something that cannot. If you want perfection in the in-house automatic world, you are looking at the wrong price points.

[@GarrySkipPerkins]

I own a lot of Seikos and Orients, many that cost far above this point, as well as some German and Swiss watches. That ISO rating is marketing BS. If you are not diving it is worthless. There are many tough watches without an ISO diver rating, and rather weak watches with it. if there is one thing a watch buyer can safely ignore, it is the ISO diver certification (or any certification, for that matter).

[@proofpositive2379]

You have completely missed the point of my post. The reviewer is comparing and contrasting between two DIVE/SCUBA watch, not a dress watch, not a field watch, not a pilot watch, so ISO certs. do mean something when you are comparing dive/scuba watches. You may not care about the certification, but it is worth mentioning in a review about dive watches, and it does mean something to people who buy dive watches (maybe not to you). I'm glad you own seikos, orients, and other watches, I'm not sure how that is remotely relevant to this discussion or any discussion for that matter. I'm not dissing orient, I'm just pointing out how flawed this review really is, and that these two watches, while are marketed as dive/scuba watches, really serve two very different customers at different price points.

[@CharlesLe-thephotographer]

by your account Rolex are crap fashion accessories as well, since Rolex Submariners are not ISO rated either.

[@proofpositive2379]

Wow, rolex's are "crap fashion accessories".... I guess that's your interpretation. I didn't say anything about anything being crap. Sorry buddy, go back to your corner and cry some more.

[@CharlesLe-thephotographer]

proof positive you basically said that the Orient is just a fashion accessory because it's not ISO rated. I'm saying that's not a fair way to judge a watch since Rolex are also not ISO rated. I never said Rolex are crap. Perhaps you should read and try to comprehend what I said before you go on the attack you jerk

[@woodkey1]

I have the black samurai and it has the sweetest looking dial and it looks the same as your background wall waffle design

[@miketeo4627]

I don't think these two items are easily comparable. For one, they are in completely different price brackets. Another is that they include a completely different quality movement. Review is far from "perfect".

[@StyleComptoir]

Mike Teo It is "slightly above average", so score of 9. /sarcasm

[@howardgreen9718]

I have seen no evidence to prove that Seiko‘ sin house crystal is more scratch resistant than any other company’s crystal

[@firas5649]

I have got the turtle Bluelagoon and it also has alignment problems. The same exists in the tuna that I have. Quality assurance is a problem with both watches.

[@albertoviale7259]

Blue lagoon samurai all the way, better looking, unique design, great watch

[@robinrundqvist3013]

Better quality aswell like 350 dollars more

[@CafeMobility]

in between Sumo and Samurai, which do you think is better in terms of durability, design, quality and lume.

[@teamhonn]

I love my ray II one thing is the screw in crown can be hard to screw back in. only thing I don't like about it. I have it on a good rubber strap and it works well.

[@PerfectTimepiece]

+Teamhonn, Glad you like your Ray II! Gotta say, I love it Thanks for watch-ing, Josh

[@j.r.regenold9094]

I bought a Seiko "Mohawk" SRP585 for same reason you bought your Seiko. I really like case design and bracelet, but bezel is a bit weird. I guess "it's always something" ...

[@PerfectTimepiece]

+J.R. Regenold, If one watch was enough, there would be no reason to collect. :) Thanks for watch-ing, Josh

[@jonnypescado1]

Would have liked to have seen the Ray bracelet compared. It may have made more difference as-purchased. Otherwise, great review. Thanks!

[@CharlesLe-thephotographer]

Very fair review. I actually prefer the deeper blue on the Orient as well as the design of the Orient. The angular design of the Seiko makes it look like a toy to me.

[@CafeMobility]

By far, the best watch review channel. Keep it up.

[@TONYSESLCAFE]

Agree, Seiko is hot, especially from a side view.

[@kierenmoore3236]

Ray II, for mine. Looks much smarter than the SKX, too ... and let's face it, these will mostly be used for 'desk-diving' ... I like the strap you had on this Ray II - what kind was it? Where did you get it? Thanks & best, K

[@cygnusx1864]

LOVE that waffle--dial backdrop!! Is that a nod to the Samurai waffle dial, you sly dog? ;) I just picked up a brand new Blue Lagoon - chapter ring (which looks to be the only thing out of alignment on your watch - the bezel & indices look like they align (?)), indices & bezel all align perfectly on mine. Still, it indicates Seiko has QC issues.

[@victortran247]

At the beginning you said you hoped to show that you are subjective, but you probably meant objective. Nice review regardless but you have a lot of redundancy in what you say, calling the watches by their full name and model number (which probably isn't necessary, just call it something quick and short) it will make your videos shorter and more concise.

[@stefan4207]

wow, did not know that *SEIKO* has that quality issues! That is disappointing, but if you buy it from a good seller, you can change it against a well aligned one, I'm sure.

[@Gruuvin1]

The misalignment of the two bezels and dial is enough to deter me from ever dropping significant coin on a Seiko. Not acceptable.

[@jonlloyd7772]

You can't operate the Orient bezel in thin cotton gloves, and it gets an 8 in usability? If you can't operate the bezel in diving gloves, it should get a 0 for usability. it is a dive watch after all, and can't fulfil its most basic underwater function?

[@CharlesLe-thephotographer]

jon lloyd the Orient is marketed for Skin Diving only, so as long as you can use it without gloves then it has fulfilled it's promised purpose.

[@paoloabella412]

What's the strap on the orient?

[@jonlloyd7772]

the Seiko movement is not in-house? news to me. and why is having an unsigned crown always stated as a negative? this is highly subjective. I always prefer a clean crown without pointless additional branding on it. the same way I prefer hands and chapter ring, and lugs and strap without branding. once on the front, once on the back. much more restrained and classy. especially when you look at the poorly executed logo on the Orient.

[@tippykaffu4047]

jon lloyd No they ONLY use in-house movement, The Blue Lagoon used the more expensive movement that is used usually only on $2000 Seiko Prospex watch.

[@777bunji]

Both uses the in-house movement. Seiko BL is 4R35, Orient R2 is F6922. Both should be ok. But, 4R35 would be a bit better one - lower cost version of 6R15.

[@777bunji]

BTW, I plan to buy BL since I like a design and color. The rest of others, very similar - I don't like day display on R2. Also, from my experience, Seiko 6R15 movement is slightly better than Orient.

[@waktosha7378]

Bunji Kawanishi True, but the 6r15 is not in that watch. The 4r35 is.

[@olegsem79]

whee is lum?

[@victwenty2324]

i buy JDM Seiko only al my watches are JDM Seiko il be going grand seiko soon

[@spartanj2957]

For the price and being a Seiko and min.ring Vs.alingment I would not keep it being a lim.addition. I did buy a Blue Ray 2 in blue and love it only 2 sec.off a day .

[@eusupporter8438]

I own the Orient Ray II, so I expected it 😉

[@titmusspaultpaul5]

The Seiko looks way way better. I think thats what its all abot, and there was only 5 points difference. I just LOVE my seiko ( got it abot 2 months ago, and FYI, mine all matched up and aligned)

[@bowiemars1]

i think ORIENT

[@Schizophrenic0]

cool watches but i disagree with u the orient one looks really similar to submariner

[@PerfectTimepiece]

+Schizophrenic0 Glad you liked the watches. I see a difference between the two, but I have been looking at the orient for a long time, it may distort my view. Thanks for watch-ing, Josh

[@Barnaby_bo]

Seiko movement not in house? Gives it 7 out of 10. Dumb

[@ChefTom777]

it's because seiko is not as accurate as orient.. orient's inhouse movement is far better than seiko..

[@jonathanhansen3709]

No comparison between the Seiko and the Ray II. The Seiko is an ISO rated dive watch, the Ray is not. The Ray is basically a field a field watch with a bezel, it is Not a "Dive" watch.

[@zzyzxzee6374]

Jonathan Hansen how often do you dive? Most divers use a dive computer nowdays. The orient is hackable and will handwind,the orients seem to be more accurate than the skx out of the box. Orient is a better more finished watch imho, i own both!

[@carse2084]

With this quality I would not dive with the Seiko.

[@markrichards4361]

Learn to take the movements out of your watches..the chapter ring should be an easy fix.

[@PerfectTimepiece]

+Mark Bushcraft Richards, I could do that, but I don't want to damage the watch. I think I shouldn't have to do this when paying $400 for a watch. Thanks for watch-ing, Josh

[@StyleComptoir]

5 is average.. your scoring system is so weird. A 150$ watch gets 82? How do you score say a real top end luxury watch? It makes these comparisons not useful to me unfortunately. Value I get its high but other things should really score at averages. Not 9's and 8.5s. Anyway, keep it up, just a comment.

[@kissiel021]

seiko

[@fungusfoong9080]

I don't think you know much about watches ! Do learn more before you make reviews. And you are not comparing apple to apple between these 2 models.

[@Ferien7]

Fungus Foong yes he know everything about watches

[@jasonbrownett4262]

Wrong, all Seiko movements are in house!

[@fukushimadaiichi9622]

Both😉

[@chargedchiefhaze9130]

2 good watches for sure👍 but it's like comparing a Audi A4 to a Ford Fiesta.😝

[@maxzm1135]

The seiko is more expensive because its a limited edition, so its never going to be the best value.

[@bowiemars1]

orient wins!!!

[@A_Dude_And_His_Watch78]

Do you even know what you are talking about?

[@ogotuwaobuto560]

Frame yourself for a better video. your head is too far up and too much body. sit a bit closer or zoom out.

[@PerfectTimepiece]

+Ogotuwa Obuto, Thanks for the feedback, I noticed the framing on this one was a bit off myself. I will work on better framing in the future. Thanks for watch-ing, Josh

[@ReindeerD]

this guy is as close to watch illiterate as I have ever seen. Jesus fuck somebody get this guy a loupe and history book. well shot and organized review tho

[@GarrySkipPerkins]

He is actually rather bright and an engineering student at a rather prestigious university.

[@MTCKIE68]

You should have got the Made in Japan Seiko. The Seiko is way better than that China built crap

[@markwalters1584]

What a lovely young boy. Give me a call.

[@theperfectionofbeauty1443]

Mark Walters 🤔

[@zzyzxzee6374]

Mark Walters chuck shummer

[@ardmrad9278]

Orient Ray II is as accurate as a quartz watch.