Origins Session 6: Human Origins and Adam and Eve

When it comes to the history of the universe, many believe that science and faith are mutually exclusive. In this six-session video companion to their book Origins, professors Deborah and Loren Haarsma explore what God’s Word and God’s world teach us about creation, evolution, and human origins.
Designed especially for small groups and discussion groups, these videos and accompanying study guide help participants reflect on the important issues raised in Origins and gain perspective on the ongoing conflict between Christians over how the universe began.
These films were made possible through the support of a grant from the Evolution and Christian Faith program by BioLogos. Learn more about BioLogos at biologos.org.
Excerpted from Origins: Christian Perspectives on Creation, Evolution, and Intelligent Design by Deborah B. Haarsma and Loren D. Haarsma. Used with permission. Copyright © 2011 Faith Alive Christian Resources. To order a full copy of this resource please call 1-800-333-8300 or visit FaithAliveResources.org/Origins.

[@jaredyoung5353]

You guys are doing God work. I can’t believe I spent so many years in the YEC camp just arguing against sound knowledge. The entire time it was so unnecessary. Thank God for your organization and John Walton

[@faithtruth8036]

Why did God lie to his people then evolution was understood by the Greeks in the past and by children today. Could He not just say we came from lower animals?

[@illphil82yo]

What they are doing is committing HERESY and putting cracks in the foundations of people's faith and trust in Gods word. www.withtruth.com

[@rubiks6]

In the end, you found it easy to reject God's Word, just as Eve and Adam did in the Garden. _"Yea, hath God said ...?"_

[@StaceysYouTube]

This presentation sums up so many questions I had for a very long time. Thank you.

[@IIrandhandleII]

At least these Christians are being honest about the serious problems in the bible regarding human origins.

[@jaredyoung5353]

Christians have never had been in agreement in the exact nature of Gen 1-2. It’s EXTREMELY unfortunate that The loudest ppl in Christianity (YEC) position themselves as the authority. Historically that was never the case.

[@limsiewwen3751]

At my kindergarten my principal tells a story every friday its the same exact story in this video amd maria built a ship

[@thespookyvaginosisnut5984]

@@jaredyoung5353 true

[@alivewell2920]

They aren’t telling the truth either. Some people are so brainwashed by lies.

[@MrFossil367ab45gfyth]

Yes, as a Catholic I've always struggled with the idea of Adam and Eve. When I was a kid, I saw no problem with them being the mother and father of humanity, but as I got older I began to realize the problem. However, I do acknowledge their existence, but not as the first humans and the mother and father of all humans. That is scientifically impossible! That would mean the gene pool wouldn't be diverse for all humans would come from Adam and Eve and their sons. Overtime, this would lead to medical problems and genetic defects. Basically, we wouldn't be here.

[@coltonbuhler7011]

This is so life giving. I leave with more questions, but less doubts. What I am sure of I can be confident in; I don't have to worry about my whole faith crumbling. The ending was so appropriate, thank you!

[@darknightofthesoul7628]

You must love pretzels. You've allowed these conflicting, highly merit less figmentations of speculation to take hold of your rational mind. Why can't you just accept there is God, without putting yourself through hoops to fit a bronze age understanding of creation into your modern understanding? No need to toss God out, just move beyond a strict adherence to man's early and misinformed notion of God. Once you let go of these myths, then you can go within to truly discover God. I wish you the very best in this endeavor. You will discover truths greater than you can imagine. Your faith will be based on reality, as you reveal to yourself. Blessings for your journey inward.

[@sammylacen1062]

Love this video!

[@gerritvanheerden4477]

If the bible is the divinely inspired word of God, why didn't he just say what really happened? Why willfully say that things happened differently from the way it really happened?

[@jacobcherian4384]

An atheist guy told me, "That Burning flesh smells good to him (Hell and the lake of fire). He is the devil in disguise. The Ultimate Deceiver".

[@abrahamkoshie1967]

Inspiration doesn't mean dictation... If God explained what was actually done, science may need another 30000 years to advance enough to understand it..

[@rubiks6]

He _did_ just say what really happened. Why can't you just believe God?

[@paulphelps7809]

Thank you for this faith-supporting presentation. In fact there are many life-questions for which we still have no complete answers.

[@LetzBeaFranque]

Four is the closest to what I think right now. I'll be thinking about this issue the rest of my life - very interesting!

[@cyrillablea8105]

I love this

[@stevenmoore5765]

It is amazing that I reached the same model on my own that you showed in Model IV. There is a lot of material to support the Mesopotamian account in Genesis Chapters 4-11. I am thinking more on what you introduced in Model V. I think a key foundational issue is how God Himself thinks and acts.

[@carrisglen123]

This angel of light so called has no interest in what God thinks or in any scientific evidence aliening with the biblical account. (Of which there is huge amounts.

[@susanbloise6287]

Your models DON'T fit with the Bible. When did DEATH enter thé World, and WHY ?

[@susanbloise6287]

At what point does the Bible give historical information?

[@RBMedia323]

Excellent video, I plan to use this as a discussion video in my classes. This is a topic I have long talked about as science debunks a lot of religious narrative to human origins and ancestry

[@rubiks6]

Indeed, these teachings do debunk the biblical narrative. Anyone who accepts any one of these scenarios has rejected the Word of God. They should stop calling themselves "Christians," for they surely are not such.

[@patrickchisholm8456]

What about the scenario where Adam & Eve were the first humans to be granted souls (with free will and the ability to reason abstractly), whereas the previous and existing humans had evolved without souls, much like the animals (without free will and the ability to reason abstractly). Adam & Eve's offspring would still be able to breed with the other humans, and their children would have souls, thus gradually increasing the population of ensouled humans. Additionally, human ancestors consist of anatomically modern humans which had come into existence by about 200,000 years go, followed by behaviorally modern humans coming into existence apparently about 50,000 years ago. The main apparent difference between the two is the ability to reason abstractly. Perhaps Adam and Eve were the first behaviorially modern humans.

[@bootsofescaping01]

Problem with this theory is you would have to accept believing that God has no logic or ability to think abstractly. These originals were made in Gods image.

[@BIGMONEYMEDIA]

@@bootsofescaping01 I can make a toy in my image but its still a toy and I am a human

[@iosifpuha6114]

That kinda sounds interesting. My biggest issue right now is also the "apparition" of soul...

[@madilynnsma]

This is taught by Arcodeaus on bitch

[@boogiiluffy5370]

I just found this channel and I'm starting to loved it. I've been looking for content that reconciles the creation in Genesis and Science. Hope you continue this passion and advocacy. God bless!

[@biologos]

Be sure to check out biologos.org for more resources!

[@samuelstrain2721]

Have a look at this

[@MrFossil367ab45gfyth]

I agree, science and religion shouldn't be in conflict! I was raised with both science and religion. Science in a religious sense, can be away of understanding God's Creation. You can have both!

[@rubiks6]

@@MrFossil367ab45gfyth- If your "science" conflicts with the Word of God, you have the wrong science. The world around us should be understood in the light of God's Word - not the other way around.

[@abrahamkoshie1967]

I tend to think of the origin stories to be something like the parables that Jesus used... It gives us insight into creation and relationship between man and God... No doubt that relationship broke down... Trying to connect it to exact scientific history may be futile although it is interesting and perhaps sheds more light through the conjunctures...

[@carrisglen123]

But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.” (2 Timothy 2:11-14) how could Pauls readers possibly taken this any other way except literally?

[@rubiks6]

Exactly.

[@kneo12]

Could the 5th scenario be talking about how whenever humans age into moral accountability they eventually always choose sin and how Adam and Eve could represent a human who reaches the age of moral accountability and when we do the "serpent" comes to tempt us to eat the fruit and disobey God and Adam and Eve, symbolic of every human that has ever lived, choose to disobey God and sin. Is there any theological of scientific problem with this theory? If there is I would like to know!

[@kaitlynrunion4192]

One theological issue would be that the Bible says death began with Adam, and Jesus conquered death by a physical death on the cross. Why would he have to physically die and physically be resurrected if death didn't actually begin with Adam? That would be an issue for all of those theories though. You'd also have to ask, if this is symbolic of every human ever, with what human ancestors did it begin? When did we become accountable?

[@kneo12]

@@kaitlynrunion4192 To your point in the ressurection. it truly doesn't matter where death from first. We know that death is cause by being away from God and sin seperates us from while Jesus's ressurection breaks that seperation thus defeating death by helping be close to God and thus Life. The origin of death does not affect the fact that we sin and die and thus does not affect the purpose of the ressurection. I'd argue that we can't ever truly know on the exact details of the genesis account since they've been lost to time so the questions you ask no one can answer. I would assume that when humans first were given consciousness they were God fearing, but then humans began to sin and turn away from God as a society and as individuals thus leading to the exodus from the Garden and the presence of the Lord Paul and the other apostles probably thought of Adam as a true first human while I'd argue he represents more of the whole of humanity at its infancy. Still what Paul says about Adam is still valid since we know that somehow someway one day humans turned away from God and started sinning, thus bring spiritual death into the world.

[@carrisglen123]

A question has occurred to me. If the creationist standpoint is that Adam and Eve carried the entire human genome between them, which has only degraded since the Fall, does this mean that there can be only two optimal versions of any given gene in the human genome? You seem to have forgotten that humans are diploid, which means that two people could carry four different alleles for each locus. To clarify: If all humans descended from Adam and Eve's genome, which may have been "perfect," and mutation and natural selection only degrade a genome instead of give rise to new traits, then the presence of three or more versions of a gene in the human genome that work as well as possible would be impossible to reconcile from the creationist perspective, correct? After all, there is nowhere to "evolve" to from those first genes but "down." A third or fourth or fifth equally viable version should not be able to arise if mutation and natural selection can only lose information. We also point out that some mutations are neutral, e.g. that affect amino acids on the side chain far from the active site of an enzyme. A ‘sideways’ change (no change in complexity) is viable, because ‘optimal’ depends on the environment as well. There would have been a variety of environments even before the Fall. Carried to its logical conclusion, if there was only one type of perfection, then there would be only one type of organism. But it was the whole creation that God called very good, so the physical perfection would pertain to the ecosystem as a whole rather than individuals. Obviously, the definitions of "perfect" and "equally viable" are vague, and the makeup of a single gene fantastically complex, but am I right in assuming that creationism makes the prediction that there will never be more than two versions of a gene that are completely dissimilar, yet fully and equally viable? No you are not, because of the simple blooper you made above, aside from the philosophical considerations I outlined briefly.

[@isidoreaerys8745]

If genetic material were only capable of degradation that would be very hard to reconcile with the human population at 7.8 billion and growing and human life spans at an all time high.

[@CatholicChristian51]

Jesus is Lord

[@sochax4146]

Big Al for the alliance

[@faithtruth8036]

Of what?

[@kingpipe4052]

the King

[@sharismad]

Faith Truth lmao

[@carrisglen123]

Cain married his sister and what the early ancients called cities we would think of as small villages.

[@truth2478]

So which one is it. all this research you did, but what's your final conclusion?

[@rubiks6]

I would hope that their final conclusion would be that actually the Word of God is true as written. I fear however that is not their conclusion.

[@fridge3489]

Okay, did I miss something? How does Scenario 5 deal with death entering the world? They mention the possibility of spiritual death but that mention comes in Scenario 4, so what about 5?

[@vironpayne3405]

There may be a false assumption in assuming a genetic bottleneck in scenario two. If Adam and Eve were born then a limit on genetic diversity in the human genome would be appropriate. However, scripture indicates that Adam and Eve were full grown direct creations of God. Therefore, God could load the human genome with all the genetic diversity he saw fit. As to scenario four, consider that the adam of Genesis one are "nefesh" living soul creations similar to the animals created in the same chapter. In Genesis 2 Adam is a "neshamah" God-breathed spirit. This tends to support the idea of a Genesis 1 pre-adamic race that coexisted with Adam and Eve the individuals that were more than living souls, but also spiritual beings. The rise of civilization with cities seems to align fairly well with the biblical chronology. I have not verified it but I believe Gerald Schroeder stated that the Jewish civil calendar is keyed to Genesis 2.7, not Genesis 1.1. Presumably this was keyed by Monomaides pre-scientific revolution.

[@sircowen]

Amen.

[@TheMinskyTerrorist]

I like scenario 4 personally.

[@bendassut6533]

Waheguru

[@ilqarilyasov]

Great content. Why listening I had only one question in my mind "Why do you move around instead of the camera?"

[@TommySOM]

scenario #4 is the best model. Remember that sin is transgression of the law. Humans before Adam & Eve weren’t given any laws or rules to follow. Adam & Eve were the first humans in a covenant relationship with God. When they disobeyed God that became the first sin.

[@arnold8757]

Good wrap-up, because I decide to focus on today and walk in light of the redemption of Christ: "Come unto me."

[@rubiks6]

God's Word is still here _today_ - including Genesis. Do you think God's Word is wasted on this generation?

[@arnold8757]

@@rubiks6 Not to those of us who hear him. 'Deep calls to deep:' God in us cannot help but hear himself, and share.

[@rubiks6]

@@arnold8757 - Do you really think the Holy Spirit that authored the Word of God would reject the Word of God? You are not hearing God if you are rejecting His Word. That's pretty straightforward reasoning.

[@arnold8757]

@@rubiks6 The bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit, not authored.

[@carrisglen123]

The Out of Africa hypothesis is a model for the origin and dispersal of modern humans. The hypothesis contends that humans evolved in East Africa, dispersing to populate the rest of the world from c.70,000 years ago, replacing, rather than interbreeding with, the archaic hominins that were resident outside of Africa. Disagreements exist over the timing and routes of dispersals, however, the major contention, which brings the hypothesis into competition with the multiregional model, is whether modern humans interbred with the archaic populations that they eventually replaced, such as Neanderthals. This debate has become increasingly complex in recent years, especially considering ancient DNA evidence, and interim models like “leaky replacement” and “assimilation” have broken the dichotomy and gained support. However, despite over 30 years of debate, the issue is still not settled and aspects of the Out of Africa hypothesis remain some of the most contentious issues in human evolution.

[@carrisglen123]

That debate will never end because it is based on false assumptions and faulty dating

[@francisbencharles6869]

Don't know how that happened?

[@whoevwhatev]

Carbon dating has a major flaw : it is based on comparing the ratio of 2 carbon molecules and.... until now, the gigantic assumption that the ratios remained pretty consistent. Well now , they say pollution is affecting (in truth other factors could affect it too- like the sun/radiation ) the equation which we’ve accepted as scientific “gospel” for decades now (around the 1940’s possibly?) This would drastically impact the reliability of carbon dating 🤷🏼‍♀️why doesn’t this come up during evolution conversations?

[@LastDays77]

Another issue is the genealogy in Luke from Adam to Jesus. Any chosen viewpoint raises more questions . It's impossible to completely reconcile the Bible with science without admitting the Bible is not inerrant or science is completely wrong, which is hard to do with so much overwhelming evidence. I do not want to be heretical because I deeply believe in God. I believe all scripture is inspired by God, but humans have always been imperfect.

[@DarrellWolfe]

The only thing I would add, is that some more discussion about understanding the intent of the text in its own original Ancient Near East (ANE) and Second Temple period contexts resolves a few of the questions. Namely, there is no such thing as "original sin". That is an invention of medieval enlightement thinkers and not a construct of the text itself. They raise an interesting point about "death" coming to all humankind through sin. It is death, not sin, that Adam brought into the world. I lean toward the idea that this text is written by exiled Jews living in Babylon writing polemically about the nature of the human condition as counter-narrative to the existing mesopotamian narratives. When you begin doing comparitative analysis, you can see what the authors are doing without ever considering the science. Textually, there is no reason to take these stories as literal history, but rather, as symbolic history. Yet, many ANE narratives share a similar tale of pre-flood people living longer, and supernatural beings blending with humans to create Nephlim/Anakim/Watchers, etc. The idea I think holds that "something" happened in the recesses of the ANE mind it had evolved to legend, and the biblical authors took the opportunity to do theology with those narratives by remaking them (via inspiration) into Yahweh-based narratives. See Dr. John Walton and Dr. Joshua Swamidas and Dr. Michael Heiser for more on these ideas. www.nohiding.faith/p/resources-scholars-thinkers.html

[@las3104]

Should the Bible overall be taken symbolically?

[@MrFossil367ab45gfyth]

Well, I think the Bible is for interpretation. You can believe in something literally or have your own version of the story. But you can also take some stories as allegories or parables or symbolically. The Bible is full of poetic language, metaphor and allegory.

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

We really don't know timeline before flood, Noah had his wife three sons and three daughter in-laws. Tower of Babel and Nimrod are linked in the Bible. I question the timeline that we go off of. I don't see how you can be sure it's right.

[@susanbloise6287]

You think they believe in a historical flood?

[@kreesranches3671]

As a believer and a person who loves science, i believe that God used the evolution to create humans.

[@MrFossil367ab45gfyth]

I agree. I believe that if God exists, that he made all life through evolution. Evolution is a fact.

[@johnramirez3247]

This what i'm trying to discuss with my believer family but they just don't listen to me and says i am an anti-God hahaha

[@outsidechambaz]

@@MrFossil367ab45gfyth Evolution isn’t a fact but if it was then God could have used it to create humans and animals

[@dejuanrogers2922]

Were Adam and Eve The first Homo sapiens and where there other people on planet Earth when God created Adam and Eve

[@MrFossil367ab45gfyth]

If Adam and Eve were real, they most likely weren't the first humans, nor were they the parents of the human race. There most likely were other people around before and during the time when Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden. It is scientifically impossible for all humans to have been descended from two people, along with their sons Cain, Abel and Seth. This would make the gene pool less diverse and overtime medical problems and genetic deformities would arise. Basically, we wouldn't be here. I believe that there were a historical/Biblical Adam and Eve, Garden of Eden, Cain, Abel and Seth. But they weren't the first humans

[@marvinberry295]

God did not create a group of people and among them was Adam and Eve. The Bible says that God created the very first man and named him "Adam." Which is a Hebrew name. And Adam gave his wife and children all Hebrew names. God whose name is Yehovah, is a Hebrew name. Satan, Amen, and HalleluYah are all Hebrew words. And when Yehovah spoke the universe into existence, He was speaking in Hebrew And the original ancient Scriptures were written with ancient Hebrew pictures. The reason you two are all wrong is because you are teaching the Bible from an atheist and evolutionist point of view, instead of from the Hebrew point of view, in which it was originally meant to be understood when Yehovah gave it to Moses and the Hebrew Israelites thousands of years ago.

[@OKPadila]

Adam means "human" in Hebrew.

[@MrFossil367ab45gfyth]

If Adam and Eve were real, they most likely weren't the first humans, nor were they the parents of the human race. There most likely were other people around before and during the time when Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden. It is scientifically impossible for all humans to have been descended from two people, along with their sons Cain, Abel and Seth. This would make the gene pool less diverse and overtime medical problems and genetic deformities would arise. Basically, we wouldn't be here. I believe that there were a historical/Biblical Adam and Eve, Garden of Eden, Cain, Abel and Seth. But they weren't the first humans

[@faithtruth8036]

The problem of Christ as the second Adam is not addressed here if the first Adam is a myth what does that make the second Adam?

[@annaduckworth8650]

Good point! Why would Jesus use a fake person

[@khuentertainment]

have you studied the correlations between the Early egyptian stories of similiar accounts. As Moses is believed to pen a good portion of Genesis, it is likely that his life as an adopted Egyptian, mingled with a Hebrew people that were comingled with Egyptian for at least 2 generations, it makes sense that there are parallels. In this way, it eliminate the exhaustive need to see the creation story as a literal story.

[@thatbibleguy5373]

If it wasn't true then Jesus wouldn't of quoted the stories

[@dalesajdak422]

@@thatbibleguy5373 What if Jesus quoted those stories to convince the Jews? If Jesus suddenly started saying that the entire Jewish religion is wrong (which it’s not. But the stories of creation and the flood and a few others are adaptations from other religions) He would have had absolutely zero support.

[@lesterdaff6927]

It's like this satan and his angels were here on the earth

[@rogerweir1772]

A real group of people...(Israel)

[@ivtch51]

Good to see at last some Christians are grappling with these thorny issues of the origins of the world and life and the fragility/vulnerability of our human nature. I personally do not believe that Genesis reflects material creation and instead of God's desire to live amongst it in peace and harmony. There are lots of issues with the tree of good and evil (knowledge) as traditionally interpreted. A starting point of confusion for me is as follows: "there could be circular argument here saying Adam and Eve only had an understanding of good and evil (against God) after eating of the fruit. Yet how could they have appreciated that they were choosing to commit such an evil act without prior, full awareness? Such awareness presupposes a previous eating of this fruit to obtain this knowledge." I suspect God knows we do not have enough agency and foreknowledge to "sin?" in full, conscious awareness.

[@allenawrennkennedy7812]

Ok what about the tower of Babylon when did that happen cause before then we all understood everyone right so we understood the cave man too

[@fredstanley419]

People saying “we weren’t monkeys” don’t understand what’s going on. Saying we have a common ancestor doesn’t mean we evolved from monkeys.

[@MrFossil367ab45gfyth]

Yeah, we didn't evolve from monkeys. We descended from one common ancestor. But, we are indeed related to monkeys because we are primates just like them.

[@fredstanley419]

@@MrFossil367ab45gfyth all humans from a couple named Phillip and Jen who lived in modern Zimbabwe

[@MrFossil367ab45gfyth]

@@fredstanley419 , What are you talking about? I don't know who you are referring too.

[@fredstanley419]

@@MrFossil367ab45gfyth that’s Bc you’re not educated on your history my brotha wake up

[@MrFossil367ab45gfyth]

@@fredstanley419 , no I'm not. I have been educated on history. I've just never heard of that before.

[@roscoebarnesiii3989]

I'm wondering why the thumbnail doesn't show early humans in Africa with dark skin.

[@taylornovia8911]

Was it Job or Abraham that was saved by faith? Jesus wasn't incarnated yet in either case.

[@vegetasapologetics3214]

Model #4

[@lesterdaff6927]

Then the fallen angels

[@ivtch51]

Could humanity’s Fall be understood symbolically in a totally different way? One could imagine the first person/s who emerged into the awareness as a separate self (self consciousness) was previously subsumed into nature’s universal surge of life, possibly living out of reflexes and the subconscious’s chaos of spontaneous, uncontrollable impulses. This separation would have been experienced as an awakening of utterly shocking and bewildering proportions; much like the crisis moment when a child’s identity psychologically separates as a self from its mother. This is the inevitable birth pains of all separating selves, growing up eventually responsible for who we each become. This gives the Fall a positive twist as each person’s God given gift; the dawning of self-actuation.

[@qwerty-so6ml]

Genesis 1 is ELOHIM (Lucifer and the fallen angels). They made this realm. They made man in their image. Man is an idol, a trap to hunt angels. Genesis 2:7 the Lord God forms His representative in their system. One Gospel: Gospel (GOOD ANGEL) of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods). REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.

[@ivtch51]

@@qwerty-so6ml I am suggesting a psychological appreciation of the text and not a supernatural-mythical one,

[@qwerty-so6ml]

@@ivtch51 Your locust awaits.

[@ivtch51]

@@qwerty-so6ml Feel you sorry you are so sure about that. All the best.

[@ivtch51]

@@qwerty-so6ml Lol. Stop being so vengeful of me and please say something constructive.

[@Venaloid]

So why didn't God just say what he meant? Why did he instead inspire such specific stories about two specially-created people with no evolutionary ancestors, which now 40% of Americans believe to be literally true? If 40% of people who read God's message come to a completely different conclusion from the one he intended, then God is a terrible communicator, or that's not actually the message he intended.

[@marvinberry295]

I don't know what Bible you two are reading, but it is not the Holy Bible that was translated from the ancient Hebrew Scriptures. Because the Hebrew Scriptures and the Bible do not say that there were people BEFORE Adam and Eve. But both Hebrew and bible translations say "IN THE BEGINNING" GOD SAID" "LET US MAKE MAN" "AND THEN GOD MADE MAN IN HIS IMAGE" AND THEN HE MADE A WOMAN AND HE TOLD THEM BOTH TO MULTIPLY." And then Adam and Eve multiplied and had many children, grandchildren, and great, great-grandchildren. And somewhere in between all of these children, one of them (Cain) was a murderer. The Bible is not showing us that Cain and Abel were the first children, but it is showing us that Cain was the first murderer among the many Children.

[@KD-yb4xu]

Marvin Berry who did Abel marry and have kids with if their were no other humans? Honest question

[@hootenhuggybear]

Atom and eve? Didn’t we start from atom?

[@besreal3419]

What is a sin? Humans weren't suppose to have sex out of wedlock or kill each other but it is ok if we kill off all the other plants and animals? What other sins are there? Have advanced thinkers proven any sins are not really sin, or why they might have ever been called sin?

[@dedsi8848]

You can't just merge the two because then you're creating another version on your own beliefs.

[@MrFossil367ab45gfyth]

Well, that's what we call interpretation. You can believe in God and be religious. I believe that God created the universe through the Big Bang and life through evolution. I also believe that Adam and Eve could've existed, but weren't the first humans and weren't the parents of all humans. Who says you have to follow the original account or take it literally, you can have your own version of the story.

[@traqueliacooper5132]

Thanks so much 4 taking time sharing. I knew it I knew it. The other planets are not there 4 looks they had life the 😈 destoyed them just as he is trying 2 destroy this 1. It's 2 much advance technology being unearthed more & more each day. Remain blessed.

[@darknightofthesoul7628]

Carol, I'll take door number two,

[@lesterdaff6927]

Then Adam and eve

[@devendhouse6746]

Genesis 5:1-2 King James Version (KJV) Atom ⚛ 5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

[@Dreammaster695]

Their name mankind not Adam

[@jenniferzamora2272]

I could care less what archeologists theorize as so called "facts" Mankind tends to be wrong constantly mistaken about a great many things time and time again. Gods word is clear and only those who are reborn and walk in faith, those who ask for understanding, are filled with the holy spirit which gives us the ability to understand the scriptures.

[@amareshkaimal2972]

Clearly u have fallen for the tricks of satan

[@chemistryhacks5289]

Our genome also matches 60% with banana Now don't say...we came from banana once!😂 Adam and Eve weren't like normal humans...they had no mutation and was perfect physically...their genome was designed to produce non-identical twins...male and female every time

[@islamicstories942]

and mice gene too .lolx..

[@faithtruth8036]

We also contain 99% of mouse dna. If we hadn't similar dna to other things then we couldn't eat anything except each other.

[@trentcarroll9445]

Farhan Azmain Idiot

[@otisarmyalso]

Adam was certainty not 1st man. Scripture means what it says & says what it means. So when Jesus said from the beginning of the creation God made them male & female’ also.. ‘he which made them at the beginning made them male & female’.. Gen1:1 Mk10:6 Matt19:4 Mk13:19 Heb1:10 The wonderful thing about believing holy scripture is freedom from doubt. This act to which Jesus referred was: ‘So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male & female created he them & God blessed them’, & God said to them, “Be fruitful, & multiply, & replenish the earth, & subdue it: & have dominion over the fish of the sea, & over the fowl of the air, & over every living thing that moves upon the earth & God said, Behold, I have given you EVERY. ( Yes here it says every read all inclusive ) herb yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, & EVERY tree, ( Yes here it says every read all inclusive) in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food.” Gen1:27-29 But when God made Adam and placed him in GARDEN God was very specific ; And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: ] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. Genesis 2:16-19 Adam was specifically told v2:17 not eat of Tree knowledge of good and evil. Gen1 and Gen2 are separate accounts. Time betwixt 2event unspecified Jesus was clear also. For He did not say from time of Garden He made Adam and Eve. But rather Jesus spoke on this wise. from the beginning of the creation God made them male & female’ also.. ‘he which made them at the beginning made them male & female Not Adam and Eve, not from the time of garden. Jesus meant what was said and said what he meant Adam and Eve were not in the creation... accept that scripture means what is said and says what it means

[@oie1018]

Our bodies were from evolution our images are from God (soul). We are immortal and can’t die. Adam and Eve were created to be God reps ;but failed because they cheated by eating the fruit of knowledge. They need to learn first not taking fast road

[@dalesajdak422]

Thank you! I’ve never understood why Christians believe that God influenced our evolution to make us look how He looks. Why would God be a pursuit predator like we are? Why would God have internal organs? None of that makes sense. The answer is that God doesn’t look like us and that the “image” of God that we were created in is our spiritual identity that began with Adam and Eve.

[@amareshkaimal2972]

Yeah God really wants all of humanity to be ignorant 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@otisarmyalso]

Nice that you not do as YEers & try discredit science methods of dating. The YE's sound much like flat earthers who toss out any science

[@kimmieglannon8243]

God wants us to ponder and think, but, God is not the author of confusion, but, peace on the Earth, and we live by Faith. 2 Corinthians 5:7 New International Version 7 For we live by faith, not by sight. 1 Corinthians 14:33 King James Version 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

[@aspiknf]

I am not a Christian and sorry if this sounds impolite but I think the lady in the video looks very beautiful. Also, I think the Bible is flawed because, as the two people in the video pointed out, you would have to do a lot of symbolic interpretation of the Bible to make it consistent with the scientific evidence we have these days. Since The Bible has flaws, it puts the whole of Christianity as a flawed religion. I am not being mean, if you want to still be a Christian then go ahead, I am not stopping you...whatever you do with your life is your business, not mine. Anyway, everything they said in this video was scientifically correct.

[@bikesrcool_1958]

And ancient near eastern cultures didn’t use symbolism? No disrespect, but the only way the Bible is flawed is if you want to be a fundamentalist 100 percent, and you can’t say even then that everything in Genesis is literal.

[@michaelpaterson8355]

Trying to fit theories to fit the biblical stories or facts is childish and erroneous. The bible is written for believers from the family of Adam who was the first human created in the image of God. All other human types were not created in the likeness of God and therefore aren't recorded in the bible which was given by God for a new creation that started back then 6000 years ago.

[@faithtruth8036]

The first problem you have is that God created the Heavens and Earth. There is no second creation.

[@michaelpaterson8355]

@@faithtruth8036 How do you know?

[@faithtruth8036]

@@michaelpaterson8355 Geneses leaves no room for it.

[@CatholicChristian51]

God created humans with an immortal soul

[@jayg342]

Prove it.

[@jayg342]

We can watch thoughts forming in the brain as a natural process. No magical soul plays any role in any neuroscience. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5087037/

[@uncertainty7421]

Big Al, I don't think you will find that nowhere in the scriptures.

[@jaredyoung5353]

Agreed but did he creat them with an immortal body. Well no, if he did there wouldn’t be a need for the tree of life

[@davidenglish583]

Ehhhhhh maybe not an immortal soul .

[@carrisglen123]

Does the bible not say that a donkey spoke? is this beyond Gods ability to make it speak.

[@frankvandermeulen8917]

I understand that there are questions about how to read the opening chapters of Genesis, but it's rather difficult to take this video seriously. The logic is developed on assumptions that need to be challenged. It seems clear that their primary concern is making the Bible fit what we "know" to be true, because of science. When they say that "scientists have discovered, or believe, or have shown..." they make it sound like scientists are a definable group of people who all agree on the topic at hand. That they are wonderful, coolly objective researchers who are not swayed by their own ideologies, or peer pressure, or loss of tenure, or funding for their research.Think again. Many scientists have major questions about Darwinian evolution. To present "what scientists believe/know" as one body of irrefutable truth is naive. And to make that the basis for good theological interpretation, is not (in my mind) upholding the authority of Scripture. Second, at 11:08 he says that we "can't point to a single time in history when our ancestors were as intellectually and socially developed as we are, yet without sin." His point is the matter of sin. But to refer to our human ancestors as less "intellectually and socially developed" than we are is itself an evolutionary assumption. Let's talk Roman construction, the seven wonders of the ancient world, etc. Or shall we speak of how wonderfully our global society has behaved itself these last 110 years? Interpretations of Genesis aside, before we use these scholars's logic as a foundation for our own, we ought first to consider their presuopositions and assumptions. They, like the scientists, and like me and you, enter these discussions subjectively.

[@amareshkaimal2972]

Satan corrupted the bible. If u cant see that ur blind! No God would ever favour insect

[@qwerty-so6ml]

One Gospel: Gospel (GOOD ANGEL) of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods). REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.

[@lexludovice3458]

I have a better proof and explanation that can be accepted by everyone and close these issues. The proof I have show the consistency of the Bible with science, math, and history. The bible must be trusted as complete. It's only us "human" who need to understand with the help of the Holy Spirit. Ask then seek and you shall find. Let me know if anyone is interested.

[@GeoCalifornian]

2:29 ... Archeologists have not found human fossils dating to 15,000 years, but fossils they CLAIM date to 15,000 years ago. /Big scientific difference.

[@craigmcgrath8681]

6th model: scripture and gods word aren’t authoritative. Wait this blows up the faith…

[@thebigd8707]

Smh

[@faithtruth8036]

Not if it didn't happen he didn't

[@abdulrahmanouattara3278]

so call sceientis are big lairs

[@iosifpuha6114]

My question is: let's say God created animals and living beings using "evolution" but, I mean, how could bacteria evolve into something/someone with consciousnesses? From what random genetic mutation did consciousness came to be and also, very importantly, what about the soul?

[@amareshkaimal2972]

If u believe in God, how could u not understand evolution.. smh 🤦🏾‍♂️. The soul and the body are NOT one. My lord u have alot too grow spiritual. Leave christianity alone for sometime and look into other religions of God. Ull find ur answers

[@iosifpuha6114]

@@amareshkaimal2972 i don't know if you realized but you're under a Christian video 😂

[@amareshkaimal2972]

@@iosifpuha6114 so what . GOD had made many religions for us to learn the truth. Stop fixating on one, and one that is very much morally wrong and clearly satanicly indoctrinated

[@iosifpuha6114]

@@amareshkaimal2972 bro, I agree with you that religions are various interpretations of God, and the idea of God and so on. But Christ is the perfect incarnation of God, He is the INCARNATION of Love. He lived past 33 years here on Hearth, He showed humanity Love, but He was crucified and the third day resurrected, so through Him we live because His living spirit lives in us, and through Him we win because He won against death.

[@amareshkaimal2972]

@@iosifpuha6114 u Christian's got it all messed up. Christ was a messiah , I can not say he is perfect or God. perfection is NOT omnipotence. Jesus was a good man and all u should ever take from him is the lessons he taught us. Not these made fictional stories that the Roman's wanted u to believe. No point in following a book since we all know satan knows how to deceive people.

[@gregwhitsel5052]

Booooo!

[@dedybudianto60]

Adam and eve live about 8750 years ago

[@marvinberry295]

What does it mean to be created in the Image of God: Answer- When you look in the mirror, you see YOUR IMAGE (nose, mouth, ears, etc.) Which was all made in the image of our Heavenly Father. This man said did sin start with thousands of people all at once, or did it start with a few and spreading. It's obvious that he doesn't want to believe the ancient Hebrew scriptures that says first it was Eve and then Adam who first sin, and because the nature of sin was in their blood after they committed the sin of disobedience, the sinful nature was in their blood, passing it on to their children, of which we are. As it is written in Romans 5::12. And as far as other people being here before Adam and Eve, is a lie. Cain and Able were not their first children. Adam lived to be 900 years old. So those other people were his children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren, and great, great-grandchildren and so on and so forth. When the Bible speaks of Cain and Abel, the Bible is not trying to tell us that Cain and Abel were Adam and Eve's first children, but the bible is showing us that Cain was the first murderer in Adam's family among his many other children, grand=children and so on and so forth. The reason this man and woman cannot see this is because they are MIXING the biblical truth with the lies of the atheists and evolutionists.

[@debofChrist]

I am a Messianic Jew. I was taught that the image & likeness of G-d is His spiritual holiness. We were to be righteous, moral, loving & holy. To be immortal beings before the fall. His image is his reflection. We can not look upon G-d so his reflection on us are His ways. You are correct about that the Bible/Torah does not state that Cain, Abel or even Seth were their first 3 children. These are traditions of men taken out of context or falsely interpreted. It doesn't give us a timeline of birthing age of Eve after her creation as a full grown woman. It gives us no timeline on the age of Adam when Eve was created or the age of both at the fall. G-d did not see fit to indulge us with such information. Obviously, He did not consider it to be a salvation issue🙂. Shalom

[@vibe2248]

Wow it must’ve been meant for me to come here to learn these things

[@vibe2248]

Thank u so much for explaining this.❤️

[@anthonyhaughton2956]

When the Europeans were first brought to Africa and saw the beauty of Africa with all its people and all the animals of the Earth. When they saw that the people resemble the soil with its many different shades.. when they saw the Magnificent things the people we're able to build and that the people had connection with an unseen power. When he saw that the man and the woman was side by side and not one above the other..he did not know of these customs because he did not recognize his woman as an equal. The white man stayed amongst the people learning their ways and their customs but most of all he wanted to learn about the Unseen power. The people taught him everything his brain could hold about their customs and the Unseen power. After Time he laid with a black woman receiving twins with this black woman the people did not Rebelle because they knew nothing about hate. The twins was of two boys so called Cain and Abel. For the white man he felt like a kid in a playground with new toys. They taught him how to communicate using signs..

[@jenniferzamora2272]

The scriptures do not say such things.

[@williamwallace8509]

Christianity needs to rethink itself. Full stop. Original sin doesn't exist and sin is just an invention from the jewish priests to keep the people in check. The answers lie in science not in fiction. Jesus died for his own "sins" "Nietzsche" as he was spreading a new revelation on God against the traditions of the jews. He died because was considered to be a blasphemer by the "church" authority at the time much like Galileo later (didn't die only because he said he was wrong) and was considered an enemy of the pax romana - roman peace. The cross was a death penalty for non roman revolutionaries or disturbers of the peace. That's the historical why. Then came Paul and added a theologian why. Just like all things theologian its hogwash.

[@faithtruth8036]

You say this and no one from or who agrees with biologos challenges you interesting,

[@arkteosss]

Nonsense. We cannot be uniquely and wonderfully made if we “evolve” from monkeys. It’s one or the other, not both.

[@samuelstrain2721]

Exactly

[@MrFossil367ab45gfyth]

We didn't evolve from monkeys, we descended from a common ancestor. However, we are related to monkeys because we are primates. However, even if we did evolve that doesn't mean that we weren't made by God.

[@arkteosss]

@@MrFossil367ab45gfyth we do have a common ancestor, Adam and Eve. But we didn’t “evolve “ from them. Evolution means small changes over a long period of time resulting in a complete change from one species to another. That is impossible, it cannot be proved, it is anti-scientific and it goes against the word of God. We are related to primates due to our shared environment and common creator.

[@faithtruth8036]

@@MrFossil367ab45gfyth Which was monkey like and in effect an only extinct species of monkey.

[@craigmcgrath8681]

Backpedaling. It is most ingenious to reject the authority of scripture rather than to come up with new models. People are afraid to leave their blanket and venture into the unknown

[@amareshkaimal2972]

A corrupted book by satan if u ask me

[@jacobcherian4384]

The sin of Adam and Eve was transferred to the pre-adamic humans!

[@brettandshirleyloades2969]

Cherry picking details in the story book I mean bible to fit it in with what science has proven to be wrong

[@MrFossil367ab45gfyth]

I see nothing wrong with that. Who says that you have to take something literally or believe in the original story. You can have your own version of the story. I believe that Adam and Eve could've existed, but they weren't the first people and weren't the parents of the human race. You can have both science and religion. People can have their own interpretation or version.

[@jamesgonzalez9784]

Sorry but not really. Fake.

[@jayg342]

It is not any more complicated. It's only your religious view that make you think that. We have an effectively complete human lineage all the way back to the basil primate and beyond. There never was just two people that everyone came from. There never was an Adam and Eve. No Adam and Eve, no fall from grace. No fall from grace, no original sin. No original sin, no inherited original sin. No inherited original sin, then babies are not born evil. If babies are not born evil, then there is no reason for Jesus to come and save us from God. Your bronze age middle eastern mythology is the only thing that doesn't fit in with reality. Stop superimposing your myth on top of everything and you will be much closer to reality. Your "models" are nothing but post hoc and ad hoc rationalizations. Open your eyes.

[@CatholicChristian51]

Old Scratch wrong stupid atheist

[@jayg342]

I suppose none of these count; Sahelanthropus tchadensis Orrorin tugenensis Ardipithecus ramidus Australopithecus anamensis Australopithecus afarensis Kenyanthropus platyops Australopithecus africanus Australopithecus garhi Australopithecus sediba Australopithecus aethiopicus Australopithecus robustus Australopithecus boisei Homo habilis Homo georgicus Homo erectus Homo ergaster Homo antecessor Homo sapiens (archaic) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis Homo floresiensis Homo sapiens sapiens

[@jayg342]

You're part of a human sacrificial, apocalyptic death cult with no evidence and I'm the stupid one for objectively following the evidence to the conclusions it supports.

[@IIrandhandleII]

But what about Noahs ark and stoning homosexuals, Jonahs whale, samson's hair? These are still absolutely true right?

[@IIrandhandleII]

Big Al care to make an argument or just call people stupid like a child?

[@user-le7ny8bq1l]

I will offer a better explanation. The story of genesis is false.

[@livioangel]

you are too slow

[@francisbencharles6869]

Don't know how that happened?

[@francisbencharles6869]

Don't know how that happened?