How and When to use Mechanical Cervical Traction

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Ortho Eval Pal with Paul Marquis PT

Ortho Eval Pal with Paul Marquis PT

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@robertoswalt319
@robertoswalt319 2 жыл бұрын
Almost 20 years ago my entire left arm became numb over a period of weeks. The doctor I saw for it wanted me to have surgery on my neck to relieve the bone spurs and bulged disc. I asked about physical therapy and through the use of one of those traction devices and stretching exercises, I have been able to avoid having to have the surgery the doctor first recommended. Thank you for this demonstration and I hope it keeps many people from having to have surgery.
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment Robert!
@JJbro-rt5zu
@JJbro-rt5zu 6 ай бұрын
Are you free all of your symptoms even now after 20 years?
@susiehaynie1767
@susiehaynie1767 8 ай бұрын
I found one PT that had this machine and it was amazing. He moved and I have no idea where he went. None of the other specialists or PTs in my area have this machine. One said it is too expensive. I found them for about $400. Seems a small price to pay to help patients have some relief. It worked so well on my bulging discs and even opened up some of my lower spine issues. I tried to tell my PT that said it was expensive that he would make his money back very quickly. No avail. I may buy my own and carry it with me to PT. It helps a great deal and no pain with this. Manual traction hurt like the dickens.
@michaelhaney3175
@michaelhaney3175 3 жыл бұрын
Very good presentation. One trick I have found is to uses a white marker to mark the outer gauge ring at the zero point. The ring can then be rotated to the prescribed pressure and seen easily if used on a low light level at home. Now, I just have to find a way to keep the cat from cleaning my mustache when I am in traction.
@khx73
@khx73 4 жыл бұрын
Nice to see this unit in action and hear of your success with it. I just ordered one 2 days ago.. looking forward to receiving it and getting some relief. I've written down your recommendations on pressures, timing, and angle as guidance for my own use. Thanks for the video.
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped. Best of luck!
@schan263
@schan263 4 жыл бұрын
Did it work well for you?
@khx73
@khx73 4 жыл бұрын
@@schan263 It did! Fortunately I was able to get a cancelation surgery date soon after receiving the device, so I only used it for a few days. But I got instant relief while tractioned in the machine. I was in a bad flare up at the time and was desperate for some relief. No issues since surgery March 13th 2020.
@schan263
@schan263 4 жыл бұрын
@@khx73 Thanks. When I was at chiropractor office, I had a device that is very similar except it is higher quality. The treatments were expensive and I only got to do it twice a week. Eventually I stopped going because of the cost. I am happy that there is a home version. I ordered the Comfortrac brand just minutes ago from Amazon because the Saunders one will take longer to ship.
@vladislavroytapel2830
@vladislavroytapel2830 2 жыл бұрын
@@schan263 how was it good? can you regulate tightness of these bummers around the neck ? I bet the are soft>
@imranmerchant940
@imranmerchant940 3 жыл бұрын
I have a mild disc bulge in C5-C6 with a small broad-based central disk protrusion, causing mild stenosis of the spinal canal, impinging upon thecal sac. Will this traction help?
@kevinmiller178
@kevinmiller178 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the video! I am sure you’ve helped many people! My question is around doing intermittent traction. Instead of 15 minutes on doing 5 min sessions and a minute off then 5 on agin, etc. Have you used this approach?
@TheCostaRio
@TheCostaRio 4 жыл бұрын
Is this good for correcting forward head posture?
@greenlanternriog1005
@greenlanternriog1005 4 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU for EDUCATING ME Today !!!!..........Cheers !!
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 4 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@voloshko88
@voloshko88 2 ай бұрын
What time of the day is it the most beneficial? Would you do it before going to bed or after waking up?
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 2 ай бұрын
I ask patients to do it 3 times a day for 15 minutes each time
@kcskoolz8312
@kcskoolz8312 4 жыл бұрын
I had this for the first time, today.
@b.b.2638
@b.b.2638 3 жыл бұрын
How is it working out for you so far?
@ahmedelsokary7076
@ahmedelsokary7076 4 ай бұрын
There are 3 adjustments on the height. Which setting gives the 15-20 degree of neck flexion i have multiple disc level c3 c4 c5 c6
@christinebangia3174
@christinebangia3174 4 жыл бұрын
Does it help with scoliosis? Also, what are the recommendations to adjust the angles?
@ismailabdullahi778
@ismailabdullahi778 2 жыл бұрын
Good Day, please how do I Purchase the Traction Device. Am from Nigeria
@meghnagidwani9406
@meghnagidwani9406 8 ай бұрын
Hi Can one have this done when one has osteoporosis? My mom who is 60 years of age has a t-score of -2.6 in her DEXA scan of the spine. Kindly suggest
@markkavajecz5589
@markkavajecz5589 7 ай бұрын
Is 15 degree setting more for C7 or 25 degree? Does the flat setting hit more thoracic area or cervical? Great videos
@piranhalegify
@piranhalegify 3 жыл бұрын
Will this help with forward head posture?
@timwilliams4739
@timwilliams4739 4 ай бұрын
You said you want to make sure somebody doesn't have severe cervical instability. I was diagnosed with cervical radiculopathy and retrolothesis of c3,c4,and c5. Would you say mechanical traction would be something I should consider talking to my Dr about? Or would you say it's probably not a good idea?
@soulman67ok
@soulman67ok 2 жыл бұрын
Hi you say to stop using the device if it makes the pain worse do you mean during the traction or increased pain hours afterwards ?
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 2 жыл бұрын
During. Some people get pressure sourness from the neck bumper but not often.
@soulman67ok
@soulman67ok 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the reply. Have had pain in shoulder and arm for several weeks Used the traction device for 1st time and didnt feel any discomfort during traction but now 5 hours later pain in arm is worse.
@garydownes1594
@garydownes1594 3 жыл бұрын
I'm in a semi truck sleeper. Can't I put a hard hours under the device as you say don't use on a bed?? Thanks
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 3 жыл бұрын
Yes if you can stiffen up the mattress then you should be fine. You just don't want the part under the neck to sink down too far.
@Kiddro22
@Kiddro22 3 жыл бұрын
I also am a semi driver. I never rode with air in my seat. Now I’m learning the hard way
@tomslick2058
@tomslick2058 Жыл бұрын
How often a day. How many minutes. What pitch degree. Have high grade stenosis at c4and c5. Now this info I got from a angiogram. Getting a little tingling down in parts of my arm . Did have surgery 30 years ago in the same area no hard ware. Don't want this progressing to weakness. Will see a ortho nurse practitioner soon. Will see his words of wisdom. I know PT won't work. But I would give Saunders a try. Probably need a MRI for confirmation. Surgery was not bad . 45 minutes through the back. You wait to long weakness and muscle artrophy start fast.
@tonithelen6034
@tonithelen6034 3 жыл бұрын
Can I use the mechanical traction if I have fused dis in my neck from c4 to C6
@talantwiz01
@talantwiz01 2 жыл бұрын
Should a patient have an MRI and an x-ray before using that machine
@JosephMontana-hu7hd
@JosephMontana-hu7hd 5 ай бұрын
Lol release a stagnant anurism or blood clots, or become paralyzed instantaneously. YAY!!!!
@Chiroman527
@Chiroman527 4 жыл бұрын
Your video and others on KZbin have proposed using this device at home. I am tempted. I had gone for spinal decompression at a local chiropractor last fall. He was treating both lumbar and cervical spine , separately of course, but in the same session. It was helping the cervical stiffness that i suffer from. But after the 15th session one day, while driving home , i felt a strong pressure and increased ringing in my left ear. I do suffer from Military neck as tgey call it and have facet joint arthritis throughout many areas of the spine. We stopped the sessions. Months have gone by and i continue to suffer. Now with COVID, i am heistant to resume sessions which the chiropractor may be starting to do. I have radiculopathy into both arms, the left is worse. Do you think this machine would help me? Thx for your advice.
@schan263
@schan263 2 жыл бұрын
How are you doing now? I hope you got better. I bought a very similar machine. I don't use it consistently but I think it did help a bit. I gave notice to my manager to quit my job so I could focus on dealing with some of my health issues.
@joshwilson696
@joshwilson696 2 жыл бұрын
If you have a bilateral upper-limb radiculopathy you should be assessed +/- imaged to exclude cervical myelopathy as a potential differential diagnosis.
@BTSArmyboy520
@BTSArmyboy520 2 жыл бұрын
Sir I have reverse cervical car attire and c3 to c60mild disc bulge and narrow the space and c3 c4 nerve root exit is it curable
@joansioson5213
@joansioson5213 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, should I feel pain or ache on my shoulder after the traction? Or what does it mean when i felt pain.
@healthyme1920
@healthyme1920 Жыл бұрын
i'm 5' - the support under the legs - how high should that be? thank you
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal Жыл бұрын
The height doesn’t matter much. 6-8inches is usually a good height
@stevenciesiel777
@stevenciesiel777 Жыл бұрын
What are the adverse effects of doing this I recently did this and been having a pins and needles sensation ever since. I already have disk protrusions and extrusions that are hitting nerves with moderate mild stenosis I’m wondering if it worsened my condition 😬
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal Жыл бұрын
Hi Steven, I have never had anyone have adverse effects from traction but if you feel more tingling, there could be more going on besides nerve root compression.
@rshattuck01
@rshattuck01 Жыл бұрын
What do you call the pillow under his knees?
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal Жыл бұрын
A bolster.
@Galispapi
@Galispapi 4 жыл бұрын
I have a C6-C7 herniation with radiculopathy. I just purchased a Saunders Mechanical Traction. How many times a day can I use it. In addition, for how many minutes each session. Thank you in advance for your guidance.
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, I recommend 3-4 times a day starting with 15 pounds for 3 minutes then 18-20 pounds for 15 minutes each times. You can also tilt it to the opposite side a few degrees.
@Trajikbpm
@Trajikbpm 2 жыл бұрын
Is this good for Severe foraminal stenosis?
@cbzombiequeen58
@cbzombiequeen58 5 жыл бұрын
i have pinched nerve, causing carpal tunnel. I also have a reverse neck curve. will this work for me?
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 5 жыл бұрын
This will not necessarily help carpal tunnel. It will not improve the neck curve either. Now, if you have a pinched nerve in your neck, this could very well help
@nellee123
@nellee123 Жыл бұрын
I just started this treatment because of a herniation but I sort of hate it, is that normal? My neck feels very tense during and after it and it hurts my lower neck when it stretches a lot. I wonder if this is normal for my situation or if I should ask my Chiro to go easier on me. ☹️
@chrisburch909
@chrisburch909 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Question.... do you need another person to help you get situated in the device? Or can the user do it okay by him/her self?
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 2 жыл бұрын
HI Chris, you can totally do this alone. Best, Paul
@landshark616
@landshark616 3 жыл бұрын
can you use this if you have cervical instability ?? would it damage the nerves by stretching them?
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 3 жыл бұрын
I would not with instability.
@ThatKayakingGuy
@ThatKayakingGuy 3 жыл бұрын
can this be used as a general health/wellness device even in people without acute neck conditions? like, to encourage the correct postural curvature of the neck or something?
@eemerald2323
@eemerald2323 3 жыл бұрын
Hey why didn't you mention about the different angles of it? You forgot.. I need it added to the video please.
@fabiopacific
@fabiopacific 2 жыл бұрын
Can it be used if someone have the following : "At C5/6, there is severe facet and uncovertebral arthropathy and a large posterior disc/osteophyte complex causing severe central canal narrowing with flattening of the cord. There is severe bilateral foraminal stenosis." Or is it not recomended ?
@sherrykosborn
@sherrykosborn Жыл бұрын
My MRI is almost IDENTICAL to yours!
@BeautifulAshes1965
@BeautifulAshes1965 4 жыл бұрын
There are 3 adjustments on the height. Which setting gives the 15-20 degree of neck flexion
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Tash, the Saunders unit is set at 15 degrees to start and can go higher if needed.
@ahmedelsokary7076
@ahmedelsokary7076 4 ай бұрын
@@OrthoEvalPal i have multiple disc c3 c4 c c6 ... which degree should i choose
@talantwiz01
@talantwiz01 2 жыл бұрын
After two treatments of extending my neck on 15 I felt pain and discomfort can 15 really hurt people
@VV-ov3pl
@VV-ov3pl Жыл бұрын
Hi, it's normal to feel tachycardia, anxiety, a lot of heat and itching in the body after a cervical decompression session?
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal Жыл бұрын
Not usually.
@mannymew1651
@mannymew1651 4 жыл бұрын
Will this work for somebody in their 60s or older without cervical stability?
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 4 жыл бұрын
I have use it with people in their 60"s
@junechris
@junechris 4 жыл бұрын
@@OrthoEvalPal I saw, what i'm sure was the same device for $199.00 I have a good chiropractor but I wanted to find something to help the nerve root impingement issue I have in my neck when I can't see him. My neck causes dizziness and anxiety issues. Can feel the lump in my neck and the spasm goes into my trap area.
@omg28374
@omg28374 3 жыл бұрын
I have mild straightening of the cervical spine. Can this device help me regain that curve?
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 3 жыл бұрын
It does help to put your neck into that position.
@omg28374
@omg28374 3 жыл бұрын
@@OrthoEvalPal Thank you for taking the time to answer.
@vladislavroytapel2830
@vladislavroytapel2830 2 жыл бұрын
Is it still the best Model ? brand ?
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 2 жыл бұрын
This is what I used for my research and is the only unit I use in the clinic.
@sshum00
@sshum00 3 жыл бұрын
I have a posture pump (the blue one that pumps the bag upwards) to treat my reversed curve, does this also help with that?
@angelmoon87
@angelmoon87 3 жыл бұрын
I have the same problem. I got a posture pump too. And will start using it soon. Someone has mentioned that it fixed the problem with curve.
@kk_c
@kk_c 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Sir, thank you for this video. I have been diagnosed with neurogenic Thoracic Outlet Syndrome with a cervical rib in C7 on the left side. This traction unit is being used for my PT. Is it advisable and good to use this for my condition? If you could please let me know I would appreciate it very much. Thank you!
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 3 жыл бұрын
If your issue is from a C7 nerve root compression then yes. You should feel immediate relief when in it.
@mjclaudianava5397
@mjclaudianava5397 3 жыл бұрын
Does different angulation of the cervical spine focus on different levels of the C-spine ? Like lower/mid/upper.
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 3 жыл бұрын
Not enough to make a difference while in traction
@dannyphantom4514
@dannyphantom4514 2 жыл бұрын
Does this work to fix posture?
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 2 жыл бұрын
It helps in a small way. Posture strengthening is way more helpful.
@1lapmagic
@1lapmagic 2 жыл бұрын
If I feel impingement on my neck blood vessels when using a device like this, how does that indicate my position on the device or the arm width is wrong? In which way should I move or reposition?
@marwannaji7861
@marwannaji7861 4 жыл бұрын
Hi :) great vid thx .. wanted to ask you ... towards the end you mentioned you like patients propped up 10-15 degrees flexion..meaning you raise the angle on the device? or you put a pillow under the upper back .. thx
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 4 жыл бұрын
The device is already propped at 15 degrees.
@ismailabdullahi778
@ismailabdullahi778 2 жыл бұрын
Mechanical Traction Device needed Pls.
@zornsunshine1608
@zornsunshine1608 3 жыл бұрын
If we do this for 3 to 4 times a day how long until we see sustained relief? Asking this I know it varies from person to person. I just had an onset of nerve impingement pain in the left side C-5 C-6 And this feels amazing when I’ve done it but as soon as I come out of it pain is right there again. I’ve only been doing it for two days
@lupetorres9487
@lupetorres9487 2 жыл бұрын
So how is the machine doing for you?
@crazyfoodlovers8797
@crazyfoodlovers8797 4 жыл бұрын
Why do we keep cervical spine in a bit flexion for traction?
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 4 жыл бұрын
Takes pressure off of the facets, opens the vertebral foramen. And, just more comfortable.
@lindarauch85
@lindarauch85 4 жыл бұрын
Is this devise okay to use when a person has TMJ problems?
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Linda, Yes it is. The pull is all behind the skull. I actually use this one all the time because most others come around the jaw and irritate the TMJ. I have one of these at home.
@fk3958
@fk3958 4 жыл бұрын
I got a two day headache with mine and my therapist had me in it for 15 min the first time.
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Kirsten, always start lighter then recommended. If you have tenderness at the base of the skull then yes it could give you a headache.
@fk3958
@fk3958 4 жыл бұрын
Ortho EVAL Pal With Paul Marquis thank you. I’ll try that.
@sarajacob5239
@sarajacob5239 2 жыл бұрын
Is over the door traction as effective as mechanical traction?
@lew708
@lew708 Жыл бұрын
I have both this device and over the door unit. Not a doctor but from using both, I would say that you could get the same effect from over the door. I have the Pettibon Over-the-Door system and really like it.
@tomslick2058
@tomslick2058 Жыл бұрын
The door is stupid. Your neck goes a bit backwards .
@1x1HealthyEnergybyAndrew
@1x1HealthyEnergybyAndrew 2 жыл бұрын
I've used this device before. Not much better than over the door cheaper version.
@jackleung3458
@jackleung3458 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, I have a question ask you, --- I did 6 times DT system ( computerized) traction, and I got big problem, 1) my pinched never on right side C-6-C7 gone . this clinic used Horizontal traction rather than your angle traction , this traction was applied to 25P, 27p 30p, 33P 37P , 39 P, after that, one night and after following few night , I fell my lung both side are diffcuty to breathing and pain during sleeping , and heart.pain too , this traction looks to destroy my neck autonomic disorders for open away C6-C7, C5-C6 spine? How can I fix back ?
@Artwithnam
@Artwithnam 2 жыл бұрын
@Jack Leung are you better now
@shahabahmad9454
@shahabahmad9454 4 жыл бұрын
I want itttttt
@DaveFogel
@DaveFogel 4 жыл бұрын
I have the Posture Pump and it makes me feel sick for hours after using it for only a few minutes. Does this device cause the same feelings? I need to try something else.
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 4 жыл бұрын
I have never had a patient say that with the Saunders but if it would make you feel bad, I would consult a physician. Should not traction more then 18-20 pounds.
@vladislavroytapel2830
@vladislavroytapel2830 2 жыл бұрын
dear Dr! So your normal protocol is 3 min 15 pounds and after 20 pounds for 15 min.....Not training disilicate automatic decompression unit that is up and down puling strength. Thank you!
@kwalitynana
@kwalitynana 2 жыл бұрын
my machine won't go UP any more but an inch? How do I fix it?
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 2 жыл бұрын
Put a book under the back side to give it a little more pitch.
@stoweman34
@stoweman34 4 жыл бұрын
Why do my thighs feel weak after cervical traction?
@OrthoEvalPal
@OrthoEvalPal 4 жыл бұрын
They should not feel week at all. If so, there could be something more serious going on. Are you knees propped up on a roll or something to keep your back in a neutral position?
@stoweman34
@stoweman34 4 жыл бұрын
Ortho EVAL Pal With Paul Marquis -I was laying on my back on the traction machine...My MRI shows some stuff going on but the two neurologists don’t know what’s really going on and just keep sending me to PT. See MRI results below. INDICATIONS: 47 years-old Male. "intermittent left body numbness and weakness. r/o cervical stenosis " COMPARISON: None. PROCEDURE: MRI of the cervical spine, including: T1 sagittal, T2 sagittal, STIR sagittal, T2 axial and T1 axial sequences. 8 mL gadobutrol IV gadolinium contrast was administered and axial T1 as well as sagittal postcontrast sequences were obtained. FINDINGS: VERTEBRAL BODY AND DISCS: There is diffuse straightening the cervical spine likely positioning or spasm. Stature is unremarkable. Marrow signal is unremarkable and homogeneous. Minimal diffuse disc desiccation present on expected for age. No significant disc space narrowing identified apart from minimal disc space loss at C5-6 C6-7. SPINAL CORD/ INTRASPINAL COMPARTMENT AND POSTERIOR FOSSA: Cord signal is normal and homogeneous. Cerebellar tonsils are well seated in the posterior fossa. No intraspinal fluid collections identified. No abnormal enhancement identified throughout the cervical spine. PREVERTEBRAL SOFT TISSUES: Unremarkable. LEVEL BY LEVEL ANALYSIS: C2-C3: No significant disc bulge or herniation no canal or foraminal stenosis. Mild left-sided facet DJD. C3-C4: Mild disc osteophyte complex asymmetrically prominent right paracentral region with slight cord flattening present without canal stenosis. No foraminal narrowing bilaterally. Facets unremarkable. C4-C5: No significant disc osteophyte complex. No canal or foraminal stenosis. Facets unremarkable. C5-C6: Moderate disc osteophyte complex asymmetrically prominent right-sided with right sided cord flattening present. Borderline canal stenosis AP canal diameter narrowed down to 9 mm. No foraminal stenosis bilaterally. Mild facet DJD bilaterally C6-C7: Mild disc osteophyte complex present with left paracentral-subarticular zone extrusion extending inferolaterally down to at and just below the left C7 pedicle level. This extrusion measures 6 x 3 mm in transverse and AP dimensions and extends craniocaudal up to 12 mm. Mild left lateral cord flattening present at the level the disc level extending inferiorly with borderline canal stenosis. Mild to moderate left-sided foraminal stenosis secondary to this protrusion . Right neuroforamen patent. Minimal facet degenerative change bilaterally. C7-T1: No significant disc osteophyte complex. No canal or foraminal stenosis. Mild bilateral facet arthritic changes. SURROUNDING SOFT TISSUES: Unremarkable. IMPRESSION: Normal homogeneous cervical cord. No abnormal enhancement throughout the cervical spine. Mild/moderate cervical spondylotic changes most prominent at C6-7. Mild canal stenoses C5-6 and C6-7 slightly more prominent at C5-6. No other canal stenosis identified. Focal left paracentral-subarticular zone disc extrusion at left C6-7 with mild to moderate left-sided foraminal stenosis relating to such and extending down to the pedicle level with left lateral cord flattening also relating to this protrusion without cord edema or myelomalacia. Please correlate for left C7 radicular symptoms Early multilevel multi positional facet degenerative changes.
@stoweman34
@stoweman34 4 жыл бұрын
Numbness/Tingling also is on my right side too. There’s good days and bad days but I’ve never been 100% since July.
@khx73
@khx73 4 жыл бұрын
@@stoweman34 Keep on them for answers.. see a different Dr if those ones aren't working out for you. Your symptoms are different than I had in that you have general numbness and tingling in one whole side, whereas I had finger numbness, tingling, and occasional severe pain in both arms. Pinched nerves at c5 c6 c7. Spinal stenosis at same location was bad enough that it alone warranted surgery, although the stenosis hadn't produced symptoms yet. Same age as you. Best wishes to you.
@sherrykosborn
@sherrykosborn Жыл бұрын
@@stoweman34 How are you these days? Any surgery?
@shahabahmad9454
@shahabahmad9454 4 жыл бұрын
Will you deliver it to meee Please
@Burritosarebetterthantacos
@Burritosarebetterthantacos Жыл бұрын
Haha Ive used mine all the way up to 30 with no relief so my neck is jacked up.
@brightsparkey1965
@brightsparkey1965 Жыл бұрын
Guy has a nice beard
@yukiannie666
@yukiannie666 2 жыл бұрын
my neck craves such kind of stretch too
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