Oscar Piastri Wins The Championship Next Year! | The Shakedown F1 Podcast #86

[@stz024]

I'm a max fan but oscar is quickly becoming my 2nd favourite driver. They're both ruthless, max is aggressively ruthless, but oscar is calmly ruthless, which is even more scary. As an aussie and a Melbourne boy, i might have to make oscar my new favourite driver.

[@Jesus-fy6mk]

I don’t understand why people keep bringing up Lando lifting on the yellow. Like are we seriously debating a qualifying session over the safety of the other drivers? I don’t think “pushing the limits” and “trying to get away with it” is worth it when you could potentially kill someone. Irresponsible when at the end of the day it’s just a sport.

[@amyorissa]

Peter told Cameron that was nonsense, but he isnt having it, its something for him to talk about I guess

[@mutleyeng]

i know right

[@TheFinalMeowntdown]

Whether it’s a matter of not letting a yellow flag knock you out of Q1 when you know short flags are commonplace in every session or committing to a move - or even committing to doing the selfish thing like he started to do in Hungary rather than swap the order when asked safe in the knowledge you can repass him instead of leaving it until it’s too late: If you trust in your own judgment and your own ability you maximise your chances. That lack of faith, borne ultimately of not believing he’d be where he is without his father’s wealth, is what has both Leclerc in a much worse car on average and Piastri ,who he should be decimating in equal machinery based on experience, so close with him. I’m harsh to Lando because I think he is good enough - he might not be a Senna level talent, but if he hadn’t been deposited right into McLaren (which was always going to be a force to be reckoned with even when they weren’t performing as well as they should on a Sunday afternoon), if he’d had to spend a season or two getting rammed by a Grosjean or Mazepin type instead of having the loveliest bromance with the all around mensch that is Carlos Sainz Vazquez de Castro and just being showered in praise from all corners - and if he’d gotten through F3 and F2 with the same sort of sponsorship deals the others have to chase down in their junior years, he’d only be strengthened by his honestly impressive performance last year proving to himself and everyone that he has earned it and can really deliver with a winning car - but it’s like something changed in Qatar and now every little step Oscar has taken with fewer material resources at his disposal both through his progression and in the present is a threat. I’d be fascinated to hear the opinion of a psychologist without F1 knowledge or biases, but as someone with the same “affliction” (albeit very different circumstances) it’s clearly massive impostor syndrome. The greatest most accomplished sporting heroes rarely start out with huge privilege. I mean they’re not all Esteban Ocon whose parents were all “let’s be homeless!” or Robert Kubica who never had wet tyres karting because engines were more important, but basically none of them are like Stroll, Norris, Pedro Diniz, Ricardo Tosser or others from the largely Latin American culture of ‘90s nepobaby pay drivers. Norris undoubtedly has the most talent of that bunch - he/his parents should be commended for the fact he is a likeable, humble guy, but if his talent were combined with a more narcissistic personality a la the aforementioned Tosser/Rosset, or even just that of Lance, he’d be better off.

[@Midori_Ringo]

The issue is why is he not setting a lap earlier. It's q1 all he has to do to get to q2 is beat 2 alpines, 2 Saubers and 1 Vcarb - IN A MCLAREN to get to q2. It's a street circuit where it's almost guaranteed someone is going to screw up FFS Stroll and Perez are in this race. His championship rivals all had decent laps in well before the yellows. It's not like topping the time sheet in q1 gets you pole. Whether that decision is made by him or Mclaren - the result is the same. They tried to get cute and paid the price

[@tigerpjm]

The rule is that you don't have to.lift until you get to the flag if the incident isn't between you and the flag. Which it wasn't so... ... case closed really.

[@Camilo2099]

Oscar just made a statement. He has the potential to be one of the greats! Champion mentality. No driver in the grid will see him as the same anymore

[@kwesimctaire3783]

I agree, he would not be able to pull off that kind of a pass again

[@GrizeldaOConnor]

​@@kwesimctaire3783 I think he would. Thats the issue here.

[@stroopwafel4577]

He's talented, but those flexiwings front and back help a lot too. Crazy Charles could not pass with drs on that long straight in Baku.

[@RicardoSousa-g5w]

2016 first race for Red Bull of Max with Raikonen behind him and Max on old tyres… 30 rounds

[@joedutchnl3948]

I thought the same, must have slipped their minds.

[@Robert1187]

Oscar is a silent killer, that kid is going to wipe the floor with lando next year, I’m a RB fan but I’d love to see oscar champion or fight for it next year🫡

[@sizwehadebe1690]

"Is there anything more useless in F1 than a Charles LeClerc Pole?" absolutely killed me 😭😭😭😭😭

[@karolinamalik9176]

I'd say Lando's pole :D

[@Miamiburaz]

Everyone wants Lando to be something he's not-people keep saying, "Lando needs to be like this" or "He needs to do that," and so on. But if it's not in his nature, no matter how many sports psychologists he talks to, he won’t change.

[@josemanuel-mi1uo]

I enjoyed this podcast! Finally some spicy interesting comments and not the plain repetitive stuff I hear everywhere else

[@gorviv529]

What does obeying a yellow flag have to do with politeness? As Peter Windsor (the goat-iest, blah blah) said, it's safety. If someone's killed, then we say he has no judgment. Absolute nonsense.

[@Jesus-fy6mk]

I completely agree, it’s irresponsible to even have that convo and try to justify or criticize a driver for it.

[@cameronlisowski8140]

It’s just a way to hate on lando or find something wrong with what he did. There’s no one that is criticized to the extent he is

[@Flippingwolfresells]

Tbh people in this day and age think it is cool, to be bad mannered, unsporting and disrespectful - hence all the Oscar fanboys

[@TheFinalMeowntdown]

@@FlippingwolfresellsOvertaking isn’t bad mannered. It’s called a motor race.

[@hafbintsam]

⁠​⁠@@Flippingwolfresells bad mannered, disrespectful and unsportsmanlike to describe oscar 😭😭 where do you buy your crack from?

[@JudgeYuri]

You are forgetting Max's first race for RB in Spain, Winning after keeping Kimi behind him lap after lap. Oscar was on par with that

[@dupre7777]

But Max was 18 and it was his first race at red bull i think it was more impressive but still perfect driver by oscar

[@JMO77UK]

They are both good drivers. But the end result is a function of the car, the driver and the team. Unless something significant changes, and based on the past few months, Max doesn’t stand a chance next year. He’ll be lucky to finish in the top 3. I’d also suggest he doesn’t stand a chance in the 2026+ car as the technical team seems to be lost at the moment, what chance do they have of packaging an in house engine for the first time?

[@dariussatius1621]

Oscar being a champion depends on if McLaren will have a winning car. Last year no one foresaw that Red Bull will fall of this hard. You think ok they wil not have the first car but they will be up there, but after these new regulations you can't be sure. I want Oscar and Max in cars that are as close as possible, this would be a true spectacle

[@PawesomeCatVideo]

"There is a tide in the affairs of men. Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune; Omitted, all the voyage of their life Is bound in shallows and in miseries. On such a full sea are we now afloat, And we must take the current when it serves, Or lose our ventures." Oscar Piastri, Baku 2024

[@chookin1]

Me fail English? Thats unpossible! Ralph Wiggam.

[@gorviv529]

Race was great. I was fine with the commentary. Any weekend without Croft and Brundle is fine with me. Also, I enjoyed this discussion (save for the Lando yellow flag discussion).

[@Adam-ik4wf]

I think the same about the commentary I can't stand listening to Croft

[@fasterout777]

Would it be entirely incorrect to suggest that Lando lacks the temperament, composure and perspective to fight for a championship. There's no doubting his speed, and he's certainly cheeky and entertaining. However, Oscar is revealing himself as a determined stone-cold assassin whose posture at all times just reeks of a maturity way past his years. I look back at numerous examples where Lando has rashly made the wrong call...Sochi is a great example. By comparison Oscar's radio call at Silverstone this year demonstrated clear thinking and rational decsion making. They're both great...but I suspect only one is a champion in waiting.

[@Andre_The_Millennial]

"I've never seen a second year driver to that since Lewis" So Barcelona 2016 never happened? Monza 2019?

[@aubanurmi]

brits

[@wakkosan]

This is a VERY bold statement HOWEVER if McLaren gives him the car he def has the potential and is better than Lando. He proved it over and over.

[@xxNfrancis13x]

Lowkey he's better than lando currently

[@Flippingwolfresells]

@xxNfrancis13x currently as in the second half - however Lando has had more bad luck - things will be different next season - Ferrari will be a threat.

[@aleksandrabartosz4320]

Let’s not forget Max being chased by Kimi in Barcelona.

[@Slipstream_merchant]

Cameron is 50/50 on Max, the other 2 don’t like Max.

[@shezmed]

@@Slipstream_merchantthanks for the summary

[@michaeldellorso889]

In his first race in RBR, when he was 18. A true 🐐 moment

[@michaeldellorso889]

@@Slipstream_merchantbaxty is a certified hater

[@Slipstream_merchant]

@@shezmed Am I wrong? It definitely comes across like you don’t like Max

[@delroyrobinson6835]

A yellow flag means to lift, it was not double waved yellow, be prepared to stop!

[@Adam-ik4wf]

Croft and Brundle have made mistakes on many of occasions during the year and in one of the races cant remember which one but one of them mistook lando for Oscar in a position on the track they was talking about Lando making up a few positions at the start when it was Oscar that done it so and the way that they rave on about the same thing over and over for a whole race gives me the shit's and Croft comes across like he thinks that he is above everyone else

[@ianwunderlich1822]

Brundle is possibly the best sports commentator in the world but Croft balances that by being possibly the worst.

[@Adam-ik4wf]

@@ianwunderlich1822 yeah i don't mind Brundle he doesn't go on like Croft does and his boy commentated during Oscar's f3 and f2 seasons I'm pretty sure

[@KamolBess-xc2vk]

Are we forgetting the fact that piastri also couldve been knocked out if he didnt get a clean final run? It is more mclaren fault for taking the risk of pulling them in the pits early while others were improving their lap times.

[@Lukass12891]

Lovely podcast from you guys. Thanks 🙏

[@ckr5694]

Nice convo gents, went well with my Italian sub at lunch hour.

[@atiqkhan1832]

It’s gonna get ugly between Oscar and Lando. Lando will have his child like temperament get the best of him and Oscar will use it to his advantage. The lad is mature way beyond his years.

[@neilpateldpt]

Gosh I was really looking forward to a potential 8th for Lewis, but if anything, Oscar is going to be the biggest rival, aside from Charles and Max

[@Nimbereth]

It will never happen. He should be retired in 2021 after losing to Max. Now, he is losing to Russell and will lost to Leclerc next year.

[@neilpateldpt]

@@Nimbereth oh, the humanity. what are we doing?

[@joepzenz]

I am impressed that McLaren had that rear wing in their locker lol the extra speed he gained down the straight without DRS served Oscar well.

[@pauldewar626]

He might not have the best car next year. He wants to win it this year.

[@delroyrobinson6835]

Just remember Lewis was under the same yellow flag!!!😮

[@raykowlessar6697]

Great discussion Cam. Giving us alot to ponder.

[@dappadixful]

OP81 appears to have ice in his veins but i think it is premature to say he'll win the WDC next year. I am confident that Lewis in a Ferrari and Max in a revised Red Bull will be too much competition. Lando is now no.2 driver at McLaren.

[@delroyrobinson6835]

Also, Piastre would have overtaken Lando at Silverstone!

[@Andre_The_Millennial]

Imagine the outcry from channels like Wolf Pack Performance etc. if Red Bull had a "mini DRS" rear wing like McLaren.

[@larsdijker7208]

It depends. If those McLaren wings help them a lot and they have to change it it completely might shift again. Oscar does has it in him to not lose his cool under pressure to be a future champion. Lando his self blame doesn’t help him. He puts himself under pressure combined of course with the expectations of the British media and fans because he has the fastest car. If McLaren still has the fastest car it will be a hell of a fight between Lando and Oscar. Other teams might profit next year by focusing on one driver. But I think the rules will be sharpened on the wings next season and it will be a huge fight between the 4 teams we see right now.

[@Jellybeantiger]

Melbourne boy and Richmond Tigers supporter like Piastri. ❤ Been calm as a cucumber so far.

[@debp6606]

why do you guys always have to have an 'anointed' one? I'm new to Formula One but every few months there's a new driver on the pedestal depending on the last few races. They're all within a few seconds of each other at the end of the day, they're all good. They're all at the top of the game.

[@Cameron-Cc]

Good point. Very well made

[@dgm3033]

A Lando Norris pole position equaly the same useless😂

[@boostabuse]

Oscar will WIN the Championship this year. 👍👍👍 He sat on the sidelines for too long waiting for a seat after F2 and he's like a dog with a bone.

[@Alex.The.Lionnnnn]

duuno about you guys, but I wish I had my head screwed on like Pastry when I was 24. At 42, I wish I had my head screwed on like Pastry. Bloke's got maturity and wisdom well beyond his years.

[@michaelreed2517]

Isn’t the real story the fact that even though the drivers championship race is on though a long shot, this was not as important as for the safety of those he races against. This should be celebrated and Race With Respect, a sporting code, is promoted and is the forefront shining light on the despicable and winning at any cost who are a danger and the utmost is safety for those competing in any motorsport. Absolutely, at the pinnacle of motorsport, we have a real human being, not afraid to do what’s right!!!! Please change your rhetoric and promote Race with Respect.

[@jonenos8]

those of us on F1 TV don’t give 2 figs for your Sky Sports. But otherwise great show. I have followed OJP since Jr, and I have said since he joined McL that he will win a Championship and Lando never will.

[@ayakid921]

Can't do it. I can't criticise a driver for following safety guidelines that were brought in place after a time when their absence resulted in multiple fatalities. No. I don't care whether it cost him the WDC or not. Safety first

[@geomission]

There is this assumption that Oscar will challenge Max in 2025. If Horner doesn't fix that car then Max is fighting just to get podiums.

[@nfpnone8248]

If you were a betting man, you would know how improbable it is for him to win ever, much less next year. There is a consistency element that he would have to have just to compete for the championship, and how many drivers will be competing next year for the championship, especially since Red Bull is not dominant as they were in ‘22 and ‘23. He may end the season with more points than Lando next year, as it’s impossible for him to pass Lando this year as they both are in the points, if not on the podium, every race. Next year he will have to win over Leclerc, Hamilton, Norris, Alonso, maybe even Sainz and Russell. It will be a free-for-all next year, the championship will be wide open, but I think the competition is too stiff for him to win.

[@RNA0ROGER]

There is a non trivial chance he would overtake Lando this year, if he races like he did in Azerbaijan. Odds are also very good he will best Leclerc maybe taking third in the championship. If red bull has shown anything things change fast.

[@Mostradamus96]

I've seen David Croft mistake drivers on a regular basis, sometimes multiple times in one race, so it makes no logical sense to level that as criticism towards Harry.

[@sherwindavis8249]

@ Cameron, why aren't you placing more emphasis on the "mini-DRS" that Oscar had. Surely, that was a major contribution to being able to hold off Charles. How can it make sense that Charles was unable to pass Oscar on the track with the longest straight. I think Perez was at fault regarding the accident, as he was the car behind and was left more than enough space to move over to the left. Lando wasn't at fault for not going through to Q2. The blame is fully on McLaren for putting him in that position in the first place, like Mr Windsor said.

[@mutleyeng]

you can have your own view on the mini drs, but it was clear mclaren had less wing regardless, less than Ferrari, RB or mercedes

[@mrhypobaric2532]

I AGREE. Perez was more at fault. He was BEHIND Sainz, and he had PLENTY of SPACE to move over to the left.

[@mintoxace5571]

So you’re saying a closed wing with a mini gap is faster than a Ferrari with its wing fully open now? Haha come on mate. Just accept Oscar was better on the weekend. 😂

[@JeanneJames]

Agree, DRS and Perez behind.

[@bjs7442]

Well I have the benefit of hindsight but it makes all their comments appear to be twaddle . What a difference a week makes.That hindsight is Singapore. Lando domination. 41 secs ahead of Oscar and Lando was lapping cars. Marko said even if the RB had been optimised with the new updates it could not have been close to Norris. Horner said Lando was so fast he was taking the P>>>, 19 secs ahead of Max on lap24. The reality of Baku is that Oscar couldnt get away from Charles even though he had the fastest car and Charles couldnt attack because of Perez behind him. The fastest driver in the race was Lando but he started in 15th. Lando has outqualified Oscar 17 -4.including sprints. Is that a potential world championin Oscar? Oscar is a great driver and he may become a world champion one day if he improves sufficiently. If Lando hadnt had bad luck ,and no he shouldnt break safety rules or drive to the yellow flag as the driver doesnt know what has caused it, he would have easily won Baku.

[@smokeybirdman]

Oscar got Leclerc on his first drs

[@Lovit-vk5fg]

We dont know Norris wouldn't have been 28 seconds down the road without the yellow flag in quali?

[@chrisrottmann]

Lando will be Oscar's number two next year . He doesn't stand a chance against Oscar .

[@Nando.44]

In Cam's eyes his baby boy Maxi will be champ forever 😂

[@Michael27Romero]

Ohhh the humanity cam I said this weeks ago

[@goranmaglica8125]

👍👍👍

[@Victor74391]

One day a hero the next day a zero. F1 has become a very toxic envirement.

[@HybridHunterBC]

Yall gotta drop the European bias against street tracks. Let's go back to last year, 2 best races?? Singapore and Vegas arguably, what tracks are those??? This year?? Miami wasn't bad was it? Canada?? Pretty banging wasn't it? Australia????? Come on need I say more, case closed.

[@charlescollins9270]

yes he might do it

[@aquila5115]

Lewis will win championship next year

[@michaeldellorso889]

Crofty gets the driver wrong half the time, but now it’s a problem when someone better does it once LMAO

[@Cameron-Cc]

God tier whatabouttery sir

[@michaeldellorso889]

@@Cameron-Cc just a strange criticism considering the guy he’s being compared to is a far more egregious offender

[@RehanX44]

Hamilton did it in his very first race btw 😁😁😁 2:10

[@RobThompson-y9s]

McLaren has a problem brewing…

[@jeroenvangastel9079]

Flexi wings gave him the overspeed he needed on the straight

[@sherwindavis8249]

100%, if Oscar didn't have that, then Charles surely would have overtaken him.

[@mrhypobaric2532]

LeClerc had a 22 kph ADVANTAGE every time they screamed down that massively long SRAIGHT!!!

[@mintoxace5571]

@jeroenvangastel Haha rubbish. 😂

[@BombdiverBT]

12:34 Avoiding a penalty? Lando was avoiding a potential contact with another car, driver, marshal, debries etc. Norris has no say in judging the unknown risk up ahead. The yellow flag is for the drivers - not something against them. I think us motorsport fans should respect it :)

[@delroyrobinson6835]

@BombdiverBT. It was not double waved yellow!

[@BombdiverBT]

@@delroyrobinson6835 That's on me

[@imbalancedstatus8824]

Will everything remain the same next year ?

[@mutleyeng]

no, but it will be an evolution year and mclaren seem to understand their car better than all the others, they have great correlation - they should start the season there or there abouts

[@m12x12]

If FIA clamps down (so to speak) on flexi wings in 2025 (for instance using tests that measure flex under air pressure not hanging weights off the wings) there will be a reshuffle as teams that depend on that feature have to find a new path.

[@tekkerz3183]

Why now Mclaren has advantage everyone screaming about flexi wings and drs but when RB have fell of a cliff people are saying they didn't cheat

[@EskimoBob1337]

Maby cus there is no evidece of that this year? Not a hard question.

[@joshd171294]

I don’t get this assumption that Piastris gonna overtake Norris and become world champion. They’re similar age and Norris has been quicker nearly every single weekend. People let likeability massively cloud their judgement

[@caseybankright8260]

Ty, well said

[@mintoxace5571]

Oscar has out-scored everyone in the last 9 races by over 20 points.

[@joshd171294]

@@mintoxace5571 points don’t always reflect their actual pace in those races. Also it’s a very selective stat

[@manosmagram8013]

He will NOT be multi champion if... Someone goes in SAUBER snap this 20 years of age french motorhead and put him in a fast car. Is already 3 times champion in lower tiers on formula racing and one time champion runner 3 points behind Oscar and is picking dust as SAUBER doesn't even think or other teams to put him in a car😔

[@Robert1187]

Is there anything more useless in F1 than a charles leclerc pole position you asked?? Hmmmm let me thiiiink🤔🤔🤔 yeeees there is and it’s a lando norr-if pole position🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Sean22ei]

Please stop the hype about Oscar he has won 2 races ( 1 given ) out of 17 races so far this season in what has been the quickest car for at least the last 7 races . He is a very good driver but a bit of realism would be good.

[@Cameron-Cc]

And that. In this second season. History will make one of us look stupid

[@mintoxace5571]

He’s scored more points than anyone in the last 9 races, including 2 wins he rightfully deserved.

[@ljnouata9088]

Spotted the Lanslow fan

[@Sean22ei]

@@ljnouata9088 or the Oscar fanboy.

[@Sean22ei]

@@Cameron-Cc won’t be me as I don’t make a living out of f1 commentary.

[@alpeken]

So, Leclerc can not pass Oscar who is using a cheated wings?

[@mutleyeng]

boo hoo

[@kornonacob]

Rubbish podcast

[@RayMelville]

Yellow flag is yellow flag. Enough with the nonsense.

[@Cameron-Cc]

Incorrect sir. Solid. Flashing yellow light. Double waved. All mean very different

[@RayMelville]

@@Cameron-Cc None of them mean ignore me and keep your foot on the go pedal. Point is you can’t have a grey zone when safety is involved. Many lives have been lost and people maimed when interpretation is applied to safety. Lando made the right decision and he should be commended on it so that others can learn from it. When we say Safety First it doesn’t mean unless Q2 is hanging on it.

[@Jesus-fy6mk]

@@RayMelvillethe admin thought he had a point 😂

[@Flippingwolfresells]

Hugh Sigh! I am tired of all this Oscar Hype - anyone would think he is the fairy good mother the way everyone simps on him. Hes on a run of form at the moment, he has beeb awful to his team mate and lacks sportsmanship that other drivers display. Hopefully Verstappon and Red Bull will return to form soon - anything better than this

[@aubanurmi]

you're an awful person for insulting a person you have no knowledge of. Let's come back to this comment in the future. Let's see how things develop. At this present moment only one thing is true: Oscar Piastri just defended against one of the top contenders, and won. Like Max Verstappen once did to another star, Kimi Räikkönen. This from a Kimi fan. I can recognice talent when I see one.

[@mintoxace5571]

What are you on about? Oscar has moved over more for Lando than Lando has for him since they’ve been teammates and he’s never complained. What bad sportsmanship to other drivers has he shown? He’s been more than fair with everyone. You’re just making shit up coz you don’t like him beating your driver. 😂

[@ljnouata9088]

Aww boo hoo cry me a river. your driver sucks

[@epistemocrat]

Piastri is the difference between a GenX and a video game brain washed GenZ... This are the skills that are shown off from Piastri, for the demise of the Lando and Charles types