Oscar Pistorius Trial: Thursday 10 April 2014, Session 3

State prosecutor, Gerrie Nel, sought to portray paralympian Oscar Pistorius, as selfish, in his relationship with Reeva Steenkamp.
Pistorius is being cross examined in the North Gauteng High Court, over messages Steenkamp sent to him, weeks before he shot and killed her in February last year.

[@sofiabukhari1]

Fantastic performance Mr Gerrie Nel' well enjoyed your cross examination techniques !!! very smart indeed.

[@kjayas2007]

Oscar: nothing comes to my mind. Nel: I am going to help to get things in your mind

[@Sparrowdean]

Oscar told Nel that he didn't think it would have been possible for Reeva to have left the bedroom to get something to eat without him knowing, so how come she was able to go to the bathroom and he didn't know?

[@vitamc1213]

Man, I look up to this prosecutor. I'm doing a law degree right now and I just know that's where I want to be!

[@kennethmrmoicarrim9515]

He inspired me I am doing Law too

[@lesleykhamuseb1331]

You wanna be a bully? This man is a terrible Prosecutor, become an advocate like Barry Roux

[@dundeedolphin]

It is fascinating that the media is characterising Nell as brutal in his cross-examination. I don't see it like that. He has mostly been very patient with a volatile, argumentative and obstructive witness.

[@reptilexcq2]

This asshole based on the way he answer/dodging the questions and make it difficult for the prosecutor sound to me he's 100% guilty. If he have nothing to hide...he should not have nothing to worry about and speak naturally and honestly. The fact that he makes it difficult says it all. Also a lot of things don't make sense. Let's just say he never seen his gf head to the bathroom (let's give him that), who the hell would just head to the bathroom with a gun without confirming that she's still in the bed? Every human being would say something like "honey, did you hear that?" "i heard a sound in the bathroom." This would confirm that your gf is with you before you're head to the bathroom to investigate (if you truly care about her). He clearly did not do that and can't invent a story like this because that would confirm she's with him. Also, if you have gun with you, what the hell are you afraid of?? And if you see the robber is in the bathroom...you would have turned on the light and wait and ask who's inside. And why the hell a robber want to hide inside a toilet lol stupid and locked LOL. And why would you shoot without asking who's inside? Any human would say...."who's inside?" when holding a gun. And clearly he realize if he said that, his gf would reply to him...so he can't invent that story. All these tell me this fool is a fucking liar. I think they had a big argument and she was scared of him and go inside the bathroom. He threatened to shoot her and he did with 4 rounds ....whether he intend to just hurt her or killed her..i don't know but clearly he doesn't care at that point due to absolute anger.

[@Odette321]

***** According to him, he didn't get the shotgun until he heard the person go in the toilet- he also banged on the door with a bat (according to him (and evidence)) prior to shooting through the door i.e. any alleged robbers would not have been scared by the clicking of a gun.

[@Caramello98]

His version, he did 4 rounds of bullets through door. Eventually he relished Reeva had not come to his aid by calling police as he had yelled out to her from the little hall. Had a fear that he may have been Reeva in the loo. Runs and gets legs and bat and gun runs back to bathroom to smash loo door down!

[@SaelPalani]

This prosecutor is brilliant.

[@jfraserfisher]

He is one of my favourites in trials I have watched. Juan Martinez who prosecutored Jodi Arias was awesome and the 2 men who did Derek Chauvin's Trial, I can't remember their names offhand but the 2 that did closing arguments.

[@dawno.81]

I think hes a gaslighter actually

[@bouncyshak]

The duvet stuff is very incriminating. It was a hot night and they probably kicked it off the bed. It proves in his "version" that Reeva was not covered and he would have had a clear view of the empty bed when he was getting his gun to kill the "intruders". Why would Reeva be covered on a hot and humid night? I put it to you that his version never happened.

[@bouncyshak]

Carrie Aldighieri anching07 I'd love to, do you know where I can get his email address?

[@bouncyshak]

Carrie Aldighieri Amazing! I will draft something up. Anyone who is interested, inbox to let me know if you have any points you would like me to add.

[@bouncyshak]

Carrie Aldighieri The article was spot on, particularly regarding his blame shifting. The list of people he blames is getting longer and longer, and it's now about "what his gun did". Truly pathetic cowardly narcissist.

[@Doreana48501]

Thing is Reeva just may have slept under a duvet. My daughter sleeps in a king size very warm waterbed with flannel sheets and king-size duvet over her in 90d heat on 🔥 nights 😆 and her daughter sleeps the same way. My step daughter also wraps up in knitted heavy shelled afghans in the heat of summer while I think we're being cooked alive its so dang hot. Just saying.

[@Doreana48501]

@M Tech this is true read my comment just below

[@7Carbondioxide7]

Is it me or can anyone else hear Oscars arrogance and ego when he speaks?

[@fantassy40]

It's very true he is quite arrogant and likes to be centre of attention, my ex was in a wheelchair, funnily enough he was very jealous like Oscar and I found out he was a big liar, he met Oscar and said he seemed quite an arrogant Arse

[@7Carbondioxide7]

Star Light Yup that's not the first time someone has said that when they met him he was arrogant. Only thinking of himself, arguing etc. Real sad.

[@MotoTubeGuzzi]

In a way it is understandable, because his honest mistakes and lies are now mixed up with police waggles.

[@bjtaylor7873]

Yes. Small examples, "As I've already said 3 times, milady, . . . " with exasperation slipping into his voice and "We addressed that yesterday . . ." Roux hammered and insulted witnesses (the neighbors, e.g.), asked them the same question endlessly, called them liars,denied that they knew what they were talking about (even when calls to police backed them up), and kept at the same thing forever. And they did not show arrogance and hostility, just steadfastness and firmness in some cases - and their lives weren't at risk.. OP's controlling it well, considering that he obviously considers himself above questioning by anyone, but his impatience and annoyance keep showing. He better remember he's not a big shot here and keep it to no more than he's showing now, but I bet before it's over Nel will have him showing that temper. No doubt that's the plan, too.

[@egw6659]

Can definitely hear the arrogance in his tone but what's so weird is that he's still trying to put on that "poor widdle me" boyish voice when he remembers to. The resultant effect is pretty bizarre. A body language expert Dr Denise Bjorkman wrote a piece for the Daily Mail about his body language in the court as he was listening to evidence. *Even then* she said he was lying and trying to stage his behaviour. At the time I read the article I was dubious but now hearing how much he tries to control proceedings from the dock I think it lends her findings credence.

[@cocobuff67]

3:00 a.m. She ran into the bathroom with her cell phone and locked the door to try to call for help but Oscar pisMurderous killed her before she could call 911. He retrieved her phone from the toilet and probably deleted any evidence of her trying to call out. God bless Riva and the SteenKamp family. Please pray for them

[@Doreana48501]

Agree with what you said except for him deleting her call as deleted calls can be found again.

[@kjayas2007]

My Lady, people in the gallery are chewing gum, can OP tell them off that its not a good camera image, thank you

[@pps1fan]

Nel is so ruthless and I'm so loving his method of cross examining OP...he's caught him out on several details/versions of events...also at times OP has been extremely hostile in his manner of answering the questions...

[@Jono98806]

I'm more interested in the important part. If Oscar is lying about the fans, his whole story falls like a house of cards. The cable of the two point extension plug looks straight to me, it couldn't of moved much at all except closer to the bed. I can't see the length of the fan cable in the photograph, so I can't see if that could've moved to that position. I wonder why he didn't question about the length of the cable of the other fan because yesterday he conceded that it must of been plugged into another plug point near the television.

[@pps1fan]

I'm hoping that Nel's got measurements to prove this because like you say it will show OP has been lying about the fans and his whole story will collapse...I feel that Nel must have evidence to show this otherwise I don't feel he would open this line of questioning...can't wait for tomorrow :)

[@ezekielthemack]

Jono98806 Jono OP's case is ALREADY falling like a pack of cards. There is no way that the police would have a motive to tamper with so much evidence. Everything coming out of this man's mouth is a lie and Nel is going to nail him.

[@pps1fan]

ezekielthemack I have said it all along there is absolutely no reason why the police would have motive to tamper with so much evidence and OP has been caught out by his own lies too many times now...I feel so sad for Reeva's family and friends having to sit through all of this, especially with how OP has tried to twist that argument to blame her! Well done Nel for telling OP that he has only ever thought of himself not anyone else!

[@Jono98806]

ezekielthemack Actually, nobody said that the police had an intention to tamper with the evidence in order to discredit Oscar's story. In fact they couldn't of done so because they didn't even know what his version was. I think that what they are arguing is that the police bungled the case and were reckless with the evidence by moving things around in his house. In other words, the tampering he's talking about was accidental but it was such that some of the objects moved around could of been important to the defence case. His defence has been arguing that from the beginning, if you look at all the discrepancies between the photographs that Barry Roux pointed out in his cross examination of the police photographer. Also, remember the onus is not on the defence to prove that their version is true. The onus is on the prosecution to prove that he's guilty. The significance of the fans is that they could prove that Oscar's version of events is a lie. Gerrie Nel still has to prove that Oscar had intended to kill someone but we'll still get there tomorrow.

[@Beirut27]

I LURVE IT when Bad Runner contradicts himself or forensics, Nel repeats what he's just said, BR repeats it again and Nell says ; 'That's fine', meaning 'I've got you where I wanted you, boy.'. I don't usually enjoy watching a cat playing with a mouse but I must say this is fun !

[@timdelancy8740]

I HOPE THEY ASK THIS QUESTION: why would she have locked the bathroom door? who gets up in the middle of the night to go to the toilet and locks the door?? so she locked the door with the lights off in there? if its pitch black theres no need to even close the door. and if you do close the door you'd put the bathroom light on

[@paulawhitlock2035]

I think OP not only has a hair-trigger finger but a hair-trigger mind. Zero to sixty in cars, guns, and temper. I believe his jealousy sent him into a rage, she challenged him, and he totally lost it. He's a narcissistic socio-path - who goes from sixty to zero when it comes to interpretations and remembering things. He's desperately trying to save his own skin, no matter what. I know someone like this.

[@en23288]

All the psychobabble in the world won't explain this tragedy. What skin are you talking about? The skin that peeled off of Pistorius's stumps while he was out there running and training to make a good life for himself and the others who planned their futures on what he could deliver? " I know someone like this," you say.. Well ,'they know someone like you.' So what? The issues of this trial are circumscribed by what happened in that bathroom and how the applicable Law perceives it. The issues are not whether Oscar liked to be in the company of someone who chewed gum, or who spoke in annoying accents, or stroked his neck at times when he wasn't feeling too lovey... Geez people! There is a difference between 'thinking' and .' feeling.' The words are not synonyms and the process is not the same..

[@Odette321]

Edward Nelson Thinking = seeing the inconsistencies in his story and his actions ;) Many of them to see.

[@Odette321]

"Psychobabble" would explain why he did what he did. The term would be sociopath BTW and he is a classic- with the fake tears, the fake vomiting, the inappropriate looks he gives at times (angry), the public apology when it suits him, the making her death about himself and what he sees, feels, smells and hears every day. I'm not buying it when combined with the evidence and inconsistencies in his story (including him telling the security people that everything was OK when they called up about screams being heard). Why would he not tell them to call an ambulance? Why would he carry her downstairs near the front door to put on a show in front of the first person who came?

[@3633632]

Edward Nelson Edward, I can't believe you took the time to type up that long stupid comment. You must look at Pinterest sayings a lot dude.

[@WarrenLevine]

Paula Whitlock Unfortunately, Paula dear, every woman knows at least one person who fits that description, and chances are that person has a Y chromosome srsly.

[@godthesonhasilluminatedme]

This prosecutor is spectacular

[@tinytuk]

So glad Nel is asking about the position of the duvet! that has been bothering me for ages. Confused me more when Nel questioned Oscar previously about what items would have been moved in the photo and Oscar mentioned, ipads, fans etc but never the duvet! Looking forward to seeing what the defense will say in there objection.

[@anagunn7989]

Gerrie Nels style is brilliant, if Oscar was telling the truth he wouldn't be 'confused ma lady' he knew she was in there, whether he wanted to kill her or frighten her is something we will never find out. God love her parents.

[@sandilemaseko1205]

One of the best days to have been in the same courtroom that day

[@danielking9830]

A little momentum today in terms of OP adding lots of new details to his testimony as he goes along (such as moving a duvet when he returned to bedroom to put on his prosthetics, such as placing fans up top of bed, not just inside balcony; and making out silhouettes and certain items but never Reeva, etc). There is clearly some invention, conscious or otherwise, in process, since no one will remember these kinds of things 14 months later. Will be interesting to see how many more embellishments are added as the questioning continues, and how many of these turn into inconsistencies...

[@anching07]

earlier OP said he was confident that Reeva didn't have anything else to eat that night after they went to bed. how would he know that if he couldn't even tell if she left the bed or not?

[@petrolheadsa]

Think the irritating amplifier light would illuminate the room enough mine does.

[@kenford2234]

Yes mine too, even the LED cover indicator on my cell does.

[@nickelsworthmytencents393]

Right??!! He says it's so dark he couldn't see if she was there or not when he was getting out of bed but he had to throw something over that LED light because it was too bright... whatever!

[@karenmoynihan1879]

OP'S testimony is like watching TITANIC.....!

[@sipheleledimaza5038]

dude! its just going down! its so sad to watch.

[@bouncyshak]

He's sunk

[@MrJim1260]

the one thing about this case that does not make sense is that oscar said to nel i was shouting to reeva to phone the police even as he got to the bathroom. so if oscar pistorious is telling the truth is it not strange that reeva steenkamp did not shout out to him i'm in the toilet or say anything as he was shouting to her. very strange to me

[@olejdi2092]

Yes, exactly, and we know that she was conscious in the toilet since - as Pistorious claims - he was woken up by noise coming out from there. I strongly believe that they had a fight, she run to the toilet (where the door was closed, it's also pretty crucial here, she closed it because she was afraid of him). She didn't want to let him in, so he took the gun and shot her. It was so difficult and frustrating for him to accept the fact that he couldn't get in, that he used force. Another interesting factor - he shot four times! and, according to experts,there was a delay between the shots. What does it tell us? When he shot twice she must had scream or groan, right? In this way he would find out that it was his girlfriend, not a burglar. I do understand that there is a lot of unlogical things that we do in our lives, especially under pressure or fear but here something is clearly wrong.. There are so many contradictions in his line of defence. He is most certainly guilty.

[@sesefara]

BREAKING NEWS: Gues who has been nominated for the Oscar's "best drama", "best pretender", "time consuming" categories.

[@rhapsody794]

does not seem too distressed today. At times he is even a little hostile to Nel as well as arrogant.

[@carolynyanik34]

First slip of tongue in your testimony Mr. Pistorius occurred on 9 April, 2014, session 5, at 41:16, "They didn't know the fan was part of where the accident happened."

[@bjtaylor7873]

Oscar is not only blind, except for when he saw the dark jeans on the floor of this coal black room, but he is also deaf, except for when hearing the bathroom noises. He couldn't hear Reeva get out of bed and walk to the bathroom, even though he would have had to be within a meter/yard or so of her. In fact, the fans were so close, I wonder why she didn't bump into him when she stood up. He said the fan was actually in the door with 2 of its feet inside before he moved and it's only a couple feet from bed to door.

[@maggie19ful]

WITHOUT SEEING HIS FACE,HIS VOICE RESONATES GUILT

[@Highlandcoffee1]

+maggs mum he sounds like someone phoning in sick to work !!!

[@chriscomber5454]

+Highlandcoffee1 Ha Ha very true if I sounded that unconvincing I would just give up and go in to work

[@davidfullerton2855]

+maggs mum WHAT A STUPID PATHETIC COMMENT. YOU ARE NOBODY GO AND CLEAN YOU'RE HOUSE AND LEAVE THIS ISSSUE TO THOSE WHO HAVE A BRAIN

[@RG-ja34sep]

@@davidfullerton2855 You criticise a comment and throw an insult about the lack of a brain, but your spelling and grammar are pathetic!!!

[@jonnorton2808]

i cannot believe he is also blaming his own team for telling him the wrong gun laws, he is a joke. and his own father would not make a statement for him. i hope he spends a very long time in jail

[@295walk]

At the moment he was asked' Is it possible that she could of gone down later to eat something without you knowing it'@ 4.40. To me that is a big big moment in this case. He is basically saying it is not possible that he wouldnt of known but seemingly she went to the bathroom without him knowing......Thoughts please .

[@kenford2234]

Wasn't they arguing the amount of time it takes to digest food and how it relates to a deceased person, on day one of cross, Something like 4 - 6 hours tops was mentioned.

[@295walk]

Ken Ford Not that significant really in my opinion anyway. He said it was not possible for her to get up and eat again going downstairs .Not possible that he would NOT know this possibilty. Big comment by Oscar considering he later said its possible that she could of or must have left the bedroom without him knowing. Condradiction.

[@295walk]

+295walk thats what i was getting at too.

[@Mary-NY]

Isn't it odd that OP couldn't tell if Reeva got out of bed or not to go to the bathroom, but he can remember she didn't get up to eat anything in the middle of the night? He's not a very good liar. When he is caught in a lie he backpedals like lance Armstrong! He made a big speech to My Lady that he now doesn't remember shooting the gun four times.

[@Caramello98]

he remembers pulling the trigger but not shooting the gun

[@MotoTubeGuzzi]

How do one know that some of the messages on the phones were typed/send by the party the phone belongs to-?

[@pauldeavin849]

he reminds me of a woman in the usa on a murder charge jodie arias . she could only remember the things that would get her off the hook

[@jeanettehinds2605]

Can you imagine his wife comes home late from a night out with the girls? He's waiting for her at the door, glasses in hand. "You're tailoring your version, what you say cannot possibly be true." He must drive her crazy.

[@jaxtobs484]

how come the judge isn't pulling Pistorius up for arguing but pulls Nel up for every little thing

[@OrcFishify]

He can't remember anything incriminating yet he can remember the meal that Reeva cooked in great detail

[@gingermaisie]

He also remembered twice to charge his phone despite his despair seeing her blood covered body.. The phone his brother swiftly moved minutes after arriving, and deleted all data - in addition to requesting a lock Smith to open his bothers safe and removing items from that .... I've read the follow up scientific evidence and this proves beyond doubt what actually happened and whyand why. (books Avail from amazon.

[@77lassiter15]

Why dose Nel not argue how Oscar came to find a gun under a bed while it was dark but would not take the trouble to see whats on top of the bed? Inorder to find the gun you must first locate the bed its inescapable ,in doing so he would clearly see no ones on the bed he cant say its to dark his face is almost touching the bed after all?If he has to feel around for the gun why dose he not atleast feel around for Miss Steenkamp?

[@jamc666]

Because you only need your nose to smell the subtile odor of black powder ... you don't need any light.

[@Odette321]

He could smell a gun and Reeva had selective hearing loss when she didn't answer him from the bathroom when he was yelling and banging on the door with a cricket bat. And Elvis just walked in my room. I'll say Hi for you.

[@PastaMasta123]

77Lassiter the gun was under his pillow

[@SaelPalani]

I volunteer as a 5'1" person to go to SA and wait till it gets dark in Pistol mans room and re enact the entire scene. How much you wanna bet that I see clearly in the room even when the curtains are closed?

[@Marconel100]

exactly

[@KNOWHOPE72]

The issue about how well one can see in the dark in his room at night with the curtains fully closed and if its plausible that he could not see that she wasn't in bed or walking to the toilet should be resolved by taking the judge at night to his bedroom to see for herself. It is extremely hard to concoct a scenario that did not happen when the scene of the crime does not fit the description of events. The only thing Oscar can cling to is that the evidence was tampered with. Yet once again it is not plausible that so much was tampered with unless there was a conspiracy to frame him. I have a feeling this is what Roux is going to argue to explain how so much was tampered with. The question is what motive would Roux give for a conspiracy by the police? He would have to argue that the police had a strong grudge against Oscar. But leave all this, Oscar's biggest challenge is coming when Nel asks him why in the world would Reeva not react to his screams, thereby alerting him to her presence.

[@KNOWHOPE72]

***** You have a point about the moon cycle. The conditions do need to be exactly like they were on that fateful night.

[@danielking9830]

***** P.S. His account pushes it more towards her climbing across his side because if she slips off at the foot of the bed on her side, then that is already where he's moving fans and they are practically on top of each other; note the arc of his vision as he moves the fans also allows amble peripheral vision of the rest of the room, including the base of the bed and some area of the room between bed and corridor. Even with his back to the bed he must be looking at least roughly towards the amplifier in order to place fans there; the head is turning in that direction a couple of times and can never catch a glimpe of any movement when she leaves the room: despite movement being significantly prioritised by visual processing i.e. much more likely to be spotted by humans, just like any other animals.

[@danielking9830]

***** P.P.S I would like to have them do tests of people climbing out of bed and leaving room while fans are moved to see if it is possible to slip out without being noticed and exactly what windows of time there are for this - while shutting curtains and blinds seems more likely to allow missed visuals but at the same time makes it darker for reeva so harder for her to move so quietly (plus the sound of the fans is not right in oscar's face any more). We then need tests of people moving around to get a gun without bumping into things and tests of how long it takes to walk along corridor, and tests of what you can hear when someone yells in corridor, whether it sounds like they are getting nearer or not, and tests of how fast a body can fall to put minimum time between the hip and shoulder shots; i don't know if the court will request time for any of these tests to be carried out but i hope they take it all into account one way or another...

[@KNOWHOPE72]

***** We're all certain of it, including the judge. Besides, if it was pitch dark, then Reeva would have switched on a bedlamp when she got up to go to the toilet. He has chosen to describe a scenario that is impossible to believe. As your second post explains.

[@danielking9830]

***** Yeah, even in the pitch dark the lack of sound of her moving in bed provokes the question "where's she gone." At that moment where he claimed it "all changed" and he whispers "phone police" to her he is on full alert and says she is uppermost in his mind, together with the 'threat' but he doesn't even wait to hear a sound from the bedclothes as he grabs his gun. I think we can all sense if someone is motionless in bed (no breathing noise even) when moving around one. You would also physically shake them in case they might have gone back to sleep, to warn them (and which is better than talking as it reveals less to intruders). He simply MUST be asked the question why he did not try to touch even her feet or a leg or something to offer reassurance in process of preparing for this 'confrontation'...quite simply from this point onwards he behaves in his narrative like a madman. I am frankly surprised he didn't plead it, too.

[@krafty1708]

Whatever you think, this is fascinating, and I can't believe I'm getting up so early to watch. I wanted to shout through the screen at Nel when Roux objected, because there was evidence of an argument from one of the earliest witnesses for the prosecution, who said she'd been woken up by arguing and remembers being very annoyed because it went on for hours. Also, if OP was shouting to Reeva about intruders, wouldn't Reeva have shouted from the toilet, asking "What are you talking about?" and therefore OP would not have shot at the door. I'm afraid the noose is around his neck right now. I feel sorry for the boy, but he has to pay for what he did. Reeva deserves no less.

[@carolynyanik34]

Another slip of tongue in Mr. Pstorius's testimony at 48:03. "My only thought was to get Reeva, to get help for Reeva." Yes Mr. Pistorius, your only thought was "...to get Reeva...."

[@sramcs]

Why the 'my lady' when addressing a male??

[@PamweChete2503]

Because the witnesses, whilst answering the questions put to them by the advocates, only answer to the court...i.e. the judge.

[@michael-7240]

***** and if it was a male judge, " your man "?

[@amandastein6082]

@@michael-7240 probably Your Honour?🤣

[@bouncyshak]

It's a shame the police messed up the crime scene (stole watches etc!). I don't believe for a moment that the fans and duvet were moved but it does help OP's case when other things were. Hope it doesn't damage the prosecution any further. That's why foresenics are so important in a case of this magnitude. I have a lot of respect for forensic teams who carry out this crucial and sensitive job correctly, day after day.

[@MotoTubeGuzzi]

I agree, but with such an important case has the police been looking to find the watch, because where they find it may be important.

[@neandertalheroo]

I do believe that they also removed the fans. If they were careless enough to investigate the place without gloves on and other stuff, why not? I believe in OP's testimony and that all was a tragic accident.

[@Sparrowdean]

Watches were not stolen by the police, the police said that his sister took one and ONE went missing, presumably stolen by a policeman.

[@Sparrowdean]

***** As Oscar has testified that he killed Reeva and there was no one else involved in her killing, how does it help Oscar's case if things were moved?

[@bouncyshak]

neandertalheroo It doesn't add up. You have to disregard ALL of the witness testimony to make OP's story plausible; security guard, five neighbours, 2 eyewitnesses to the sunroof shooting... If it really was an accident and he killed the "woman he loved" he would want to be punished and would be ashamed. He would have plead manslaughter and done some time. The man wants to walk scott free! He won't even admit to the restaurant charge or the charge of illegal firearms. I believe he behaved recklessly and thought he could buy his way out of a conviction in the SA court system. Maybe he didn't know firing at the door would kill Reeva and it got out of hand, maybe he's traumatised by confronting the gruesome results of his rage, but he definitely knew she was in there. "They stole my watch" has nothing to do with getting a gun and shooting into a confined area with someone on the other side. He is using all the police errors to his advantage, but there are more inconsistencies in his version from what I can see.

[@yrellim]

Guilty, as usual can't give a straight answer, gun always ready, too dark to see Reeva but not to get gun and leave the room. Guilty, guilty!!!

[@pps1fan]

OP is so full of crap and I am glad Nel has gone full pelt at him and showing what an arrogant self-absorbed liar this man is...he killed her...he isn't sorry at all those who think so have been fooled by his fake tears - Nel hit nail on head today with the statement regarding Reeva's family...his apology isn't sincere he could of and should of apologised when this first happened not waited 14 months to do it in court as a ploy to gain a softer sentence/judgement from the judge!

[@karenmoynihan1879]

OP'S arrogance propelled him to trial instead of taking responsibility for his actions, this seems to be the theme thru out his life!

[@joesmith6524]

they had a argument she ran into the bathroom and he shot case close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@fredaulun3548]

Reeva was one of the most beautiful ladies i have ever seen. Her look was beyond the beauty of princess or beauty queens. Her physical beauty was complete and total.

[@butiur]

Where is OP placed? Is the prosecutor looking at him?

[@abdul-malikbilal9979]

Give the Oscar to Oscar, he goes to the bathroom with a gun and not look for the love of his life, poor Reeva.

[@jeanettehinds4253]

The guy seems to be jumpy and scared of his own shadow,he has no business with a gun.

[@malankanetally3858]

Hahaha

[@carolynyanik8336]

On April 9, session 5, 41:16- 41:20, O.P. testifies "THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE FAN WAS WHERE THE ACCIDENT HAPPENED", evidence from Oscar Pistorius that the "ACCIDENT" started in the bedroom. The statement happened so quickly that Prosecutor Nell did not catch it. Photo evidence at trial showed "BLOOD SPLATTER" on the bedroom carpet and on the duvet.

[@cloudnine585]

Hoooow he can get very stroppy when he doesn't like the questions. True colours coming through. Carry on and we will see just how angry he can get.

[@PTZOUTZ]

It's very difficult to prove beyond any doubt that pistorius's story never happened, although it is quite improbable.. The thing that came in my mind when I saw the photograph is that: If pistorius was standing in front of the glass window when he brought the fan in, there is little room behind him and the bed. How did reeva manage to get up, pass behind him without him noticing..

[@bjtaylor7873]

It isn't, in my opinion, either. Surely Nel will hit him on that. She would have had to all but knock him over to get up. Besides, he would have to be deaf, as well as blind, and have no sensation of movement or vibration as we do when someone is moving very near us. I don't know of any instance ever when I have gotten up without my husband or even a s a child, a visiting friend, knowing or that they got up and I didn't know, except when in deep sleep. Never, ever when wide awake in the room. If humans were as oblivious as OP would have us believe he was, evolution would have wiped us out long ago. Funny that Oscar didn't see, hear, or sense a lot of motion probably within his reach, but was terrified by a noise in the bathroom, isn't it?

[@Cheryl64014]

~PTZOUTZ - The prosecutor does not have to prove guilt beyond "ANY doubt." He has to prove guilt only beyond a "REASONABLE" doubt. Big difference.

[@egw6659]

Cheryl64014 You're right Cheryl. That's the good thing about there not being a jury too as I think often juries can become confused about defining 'reasonable' doubt but the judge is very experienced and she will know.

[@PTZOUTZ]

Cheryl64014 reasonable is the right word, you are right.. But even so, someone who wants to back up pistorius story would tell she got out of the bed from the centre of it and not from the side of it.. What is reasonable and what is not then?

[@nickylup9566]

Man I like to get me one of those fans that are in his bedroom. lol

[@MissusTudor]

***** He's addressing the Judge, who is a woman, not the male prosecutor (even though he is the one asking the questions).

[@uddaside]

How does he get out of bed without realising she's not in the bed given the beds position? when he got his gun why didn't check where Reeva was? he hasn't got a leg to stand on.

[@DruAired]

if he say my lady one more got dam time

[@jcavanagh5962]

LOL dru!

[@kenford2234]

The photo's shown here shows the room how it was initially, because all the watches are still there. Pistotius's attitude is changing each time Nel peels away a bit more _BS_ from the OP story. The Devil _is_ indeed in the detail. Nel's face is Priceless when the defence feller was muttering his disapproval, instead of standing up, too funny.

[@kreatee1]

he keeps saying he brought "in" the fans but he says the big fan was partially on the balcony and the little one was not on the balcony but inside the door... in his chief statement he says he went on the balcony to bring in the big fan only -meaning one fan and not two...

[@RG-ja34sep]

They had a full on argument, he must have got really angry and threatened her. That’s why some of the neighbours heard shouting and screaming before the shooting. She must have run to the bathroom in fear, and locked herself in the toilet, to get away from him. He then followed her and shot her through the toilet door in a fit of rage. In another session when asked by Mr Nel what he said to Reeva while holding the gun in the bathroom, Oscar in fact said “why are you calling the police“? Nel never realised what Oscar said and continued. It is simply impossible that he could not have seen Reeva and more importantly that Reeva did not say a single word to him during the time she supposedly got up, went to toilet and the shooting incident. Lies, lies lies, lies all round!!! I don’t believe all the lies about their conversations, iPad story, the fans or anything he said. So many holes in his version of what happened. How is it possible that on the eve of Valentine’s Day that a loving couple spend the evening doing virtually nothing? Lies, lies, lies! Gerrie Nel absolutely destroys Oscar in this particular part of the trial, and it’s not the only time this happened!

[@m_christine1070]

SA judicial system seems extremely bizarre compared to the American judicial system.

[@en23288]

Does anyone remember the loving message from Reeva to Oscar where she declared that she would care for him, even if he couldn't pay for the new house he was buying in Johannesburg that she was going to help him decorate; and, even if he lost everything? What day was that introduced into the record?

[@crlynchazita1185]

Watching this in 2020 Impressive cross examination by Gerrie Nel, so many discrepancies in Prestorius’ story. Clearly they had an argument over what was in the ipad , she ran to the bathroom, locked herself in & he ran after her & shot her 4 times.

[@carrier411]

how come we don't see OP? is it not allowed?

[@howhow88]

Why Reeva locked the bathroom door? Its an unusual thing to do if they were intimately in love.

[@donnadeakin4565]

I would never lock the door for a midnight peepee if I had been with my partner that long c

[@MariaBatista-ok1cf]

through OP testimony it seems that the police robbed his watch, put the duvet on floor maybe the police killed Reeva as well lol

[@Ys53uju]

guilty as hell...forgets a lot of things,and never answers a question with a simple yes or no

[@JoseDeddzy]

why cant they show him?

[@Tiphoufolle]

he asked not to be showed when testifying

[@jaguarundi21]

I don't understand the reason for going into such minutiae. What is the purpose of this?

[@Mary-NY]

A true sign of guilt now, as OP starts to get defensive and agitated having to answer Nel's questions about the shooting.

[@rrhone]

I just starting watching these clips and I know you have and remember you from Arias'stabby' case and we were in agreement on that one. Why did this guy shoot her? Did he just want to get rid of her or what? Its hard to understand this case because court procedures and cross are very different than ours.

[@Mary-NY]

rrhone Oscar is a very hot tempered controlling and jealous man. They were only together a few months and from their text messages he was a hand full. Something sparked a fight in his home and Reeva ran from him and locked herself in the toilet. He then made up a whopper of a story. He shot her out of anger and once he realized what he had done, not only to her but to his career he became very remorseful acting. It was a very long trial and way too much to explain, You could probably get more information on google. You will be amazed after watching his trial. I believe he is guilty.

[@rrhone]

OK Thanks! I will start going thru the clips and that gives me a good starting point.

[@susanlarhubarbe9475]

@@rrhone one of the differences from American criminal law (sorry I’m assuming you’re American) is that in SA criminal law which has Roman Dutch and some British law roots, motive is not an element of a crime or offence.

[@janiceleighton7348]

What was he taking to be like he was in the track that's a big question tooooo

[@BWpunisherGT1]

This is hilarious, what he is constructing, such lies.

[@melib9914]

Listening is a skill! Being objective is also a skill! Having an opinion is a right but abusing each other's views is partly what's wrong with society on a broader level. What's makes for good discussion is rational and reason. IF people have been following the case from the start until now they would know it's two watches missing. And if people stopped and listened they would hear OP is elaborating on his version. Simply watching a few snippets is not enough to base your opinions on. Neither Nel or OP have an upper hand its a trial this is how they take place. Leave the judging to the judge. Their are those who will understand what I'm saying and their will be those I'm sure that will not.

[@OliviaWestbrook]

You mean 'there'.

[@kenford2234]

I kind of remember something about his sister taking one of the watches?

[@Sparrowdean]

Ken Ford You are right Ken, they ex police chief testified that Oscar's sister was allowed to take one watch. The other missing watch is subject to a police investigation, so there is only one watch unaccounted for not two.

[@cjg28]

The way Oscar pistol r us is speaking doesn't feel right, I get the sense he is lying.

[@thomasfielding1195]

how bout pistolarius

[@melib9914]

I can't I'm on my mobile :/ but hey you pointed it out and I acknowledged it so that's enough for me :)

[@giovannaserrano8128]

is it not allowed to show oscar here?

[@SadisticFella]

He asked for him not to be shown on camera, to which the media must abide.

[@clickjen3337]

Why was he using fans anyway? He didn't have air conditioning?

[@bentlepa]

I wondered that,you would have thought people like Oscar would have lived in a place that had air-con.However he had two fans but leaving balcony doors open is obviously a security risk

[@GooglSucksDisk]

Paul Bentley He said in testimony that the AC wasn't working.

[@clickjen3337]

flowerblossom Thanks!!

[@AKLDGUY]

He testified much earlier that the A/C wasn't working because builders were carrying out construction work.

[@nisipeace464]

Paul Bentley Yeah, and he was so security conscious, yet had a broken window on the first floor in the front of his house for a long time, but never had it repaired .lol.

[@yashigunaratne8444]

Get this liar!! this is not your version oscar, this is you lying on many versions. Judge this man is clearly guilty, why are you still going on with this court?

[@dumplingsmmm]

Oscar had to say he slept on the left side of the bed because his gun was kept under the left side of the bed - would not have been believable that he got the gun and didn't notice Reeva was there if she slept on the left

[@janiceleighton7348]

This is class by Nell

[@janiceleighton7348]

Every one knows when there partner gets out of bed before deep deep sleep

[@novascotiaskater1868]

I fall asleep on my iPad all the time....my husband picks it up off the bed and puts it on his nightstand.

[@michaelmoore1012]

OP version of events is pure lies, the reality of it is they had an argument, she ran and locked herself in the toilet and he shot her through the door, realized that he killed her, now hes trying to blame an intruder... (give him life)

[@jeanettehinds4253]

Does anyone know if the police dusted for fingerprints? Because that would show without doubt if the fans had been moved.

[@Nessie42]

I thought OP put the jeans onto the led light on the high fi but in the photo they are still on the floor

[@Vortex_Beautiful]

Why hasn't the court showed Oscar Pistorius while on the witness stand?

[@brynjones7371]

Was just about to say shot Riva, then remembered to say fired my pistol.

[@bentlepa]

I Googled Black Talon ammo & it was discontinued in 1993 by the manufacturers Winchester because it got a reputation as a cop killer.Therefore has become scarce an expensive to obtain.Gives an insight into Pistorius mindset that he wants such lethal,rare & expensive ammuntion to carry around with him in a handgun.One bullet virtually amputated Reevas right arm at the elbow.

[@crasterfarai9581]

a fantastic point Paul..he carried a gun for self defence or so he says..if he was allowed to carry a sub machine gun, he would have.. why, why, why would anyone use such destructive ammunition in a gun he kept in his bedroom used SPECIFICALLY for self defence.. what a sick and dangerous man..a child in fact...a human "action man"...he will kill again..

[@Bump688]

Does anyone know the distance between the right hand side of the bed and the balcony??

[@Sparrowdean]

Since he did not go on the balcony it's of no relevance really is it? In any case, it's easy enough to eye ball a rough distance by looking at the crime scene photos of the bedroom.

[@Bump688]

It is relevant. His legs were on the right hand side of the bed. The fan, curtains and balcony are on the right hand side of the bed too. If he was on that side of the bed moving the fan, closing curtains etc., why did he not realize his girlfriend wasn't in the bed. It's HIS house, HIS bedroom. What may seem irrelevant to some is not always the case to others. Why couldn't you just answer my question instead of telling me what YOU think

[@Sparrowdean]

Bump688 I understood that his legs were at the foot end of the bed and according to him he slept on the side nearest to the balcony door because of his shoulder injury. like you, I can't understand how it was possible for him not to notice that she was not in the bed. I prefer to work out distances myself, though you might prefer to do the same if you knew where to look.

[@Bump688]

Mr P. slept on the left hand side of the bed (17:07) - A photo can be misleading, I wouldn't be able to guess the distance, especially not knowing the height of the fan which would have been a help. Luckily Mr Nell estimates about 6 foot from balcony window to bed.

[@Sparrowdean]

Bump688 I personally would have guessed less, but I'm glad you've got your answer.

[@kreatee1]

oscar would have to had turn on the light when he carried reeva down the stairs surely! and he would have remembered that...so why is he saying the light is on when this photo was taken? did he carry the body in the dark? only using the light from the open drawn curtains he alleges he opened when he calle dout for help and put on his prosthetics?

[@fantassy40]

Witnesses have no reason to lie about what they heard and seen!! Ie: the light on that night and arguing, he however does need to lie, because they was in bed and it was dark when he got up, wonder how long it was before he actually called for help, not forgetting he needed to think something up quick!! For murdering her, My ex was disabled in a wheelchair, was very much like OP very jealous sort fused, threw things in a rage, tempers can end up bad, two girls was recently murdered near me one shot the other stabbed, two young pretty girls who's boyfriends snapped with jealousy. Most know for sure what really happened!! With the OP case but I'm sure he will get off just like the other murderer OJ

[@dundeedolphin]

You wrote: "My ex was disabled in a wheelchair, was very much like OP very jealous sort fused, threw things in a rage, tempers can end up bad, two girls was recently murdered near me one shot the other stabbed, two young pretty girls who's boyfriends snapped with jealousy." What? Are you suggesting, as it seems, that there is some type of common personality traits between all disabled people? They all have angry temperaments? I agree with some of your conclusions but your reasoning about witnesses is a bit sketchy.

[@jfraserfisher]

I never understood how he could say he thought it was an intruder in his bathroom, for one why would an intruder be in a toilet instead of downstairs robbing the house or in the bedroom to attack him and 2 my first thought living as a single mum with 5 kids at home when I hear a noise in the middle of the night in the house is which kid is out of bed and why? Not it's an intruder! If the noise was a window, front door or back doors then I would think it's possibly an intruder. I have always been scared someone might break in and how would I defend my kids as in Australia we don't tend to have access to guns. How he thought a stranger was in his toilet just doesn't make sense.

[@TZee395]

This guy is eerily calm... still guilty though

[@honey2101]

What are the chances of shooting someone right in the head through a closed, locked door????? This is ridiculous!! Why are they even giving him the time of day to explain his side? He is a cold blooded murderer!! He shot her through the bullet holes that were made through the first few shots obviously. He also said he broke a part of the door so easier to get a shot through there? The horror he must have put the poor girl through, RIP x

[@OliviaWestbrook]

I find another interesting factor in this case is the fact that while OP was 'challenging' the 'intruder' and, as he claims, was in great fear, why did he stand directly in front of the toilet door where the 'intruder' would burst out right on top of him? Or, stand directly in the 'intruder's' firing line if armed? Would it not have made more sense and also be instinctive to stand back around the corner using the wall as a protective shield? It's an automatic self-defense posture. For someone who is supposed to be concerned about his safety his story, once again, makes no sense. From the defensive position if the 'intruder' did burst out of the toilet he/she would be completely exposed while OP would have cover. So, why was, as we know as a certainty, OP standing directly in front of the door. I would suggest that it was for positioning when firing, i.e., aligning himself with the target he could hear on the other side of the door and was secure in knowledge that no threats were coming from inside the toilet.

[@OliviaWestbrook]

***** Yes it is speculative, but, there is logic there. Can you think of any other reason why you'd stand so close and make yourself so vulnerable? Also, I am working under the assumption that he knows Reeva is in the toilet. If you haven't read my posts on previous days you may not be fully up to speed with my thinking.

[@MotoTubeGuzzi]

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[@OliviaWestbrook]

***** Thank you 'Token' for the reply. No need to apologize but I accept. As for your speculation - something like that had to have happened. Something about Reeva's actions set him off. What is for sure is his explanation is ridiculous.

[@MotoTubeGuzzi]

I am waiting for the motive to kill her.

[@OliviaWestbrook]

***** I really don't have a view on how it will be judged. I don't know how the judge thinks. I'm not so sure that the prosecution is doing a bad job, we'll have to see where it goes. It seems Nell has achieved pretty much what he has set out to do so far. Yesterday's "Reeva is not here because of what you have done" was a particularly poignant moment along with "why did make the apology now?". Nell has also exposed OP's 'goody two shoes' as a myth with very little material. As I see it, it comes down to those witnesses. They all said they heard a very distressed female and the closest witnesses, Mr. and Mrs. Stipp, were particularly revealing. I buy their testimony and this is the principal reason for my assertion of his guilt. We'll just have to wait and see what else transpires. p.s. Nell also has an on going spelling out OP's behaviour and purpose. He's threading it into his cross examination which inch by inch discredits OP and his story.

[@Allahwayen]

He's good actor, he can be a Bollywood actor for sure but the whole world is watching South African judicial system.

[@janiceleighton7348]

What s all this see there's hear tooooooo

[@Odette321]

The window in the bathroom he said was open was not even in the toilet. Why would a burglar go in the toilet after climbing in an open window? Would they not be burgling since that would be why they were there...he's such a liar. I hope the women on the jury are not being sucked in by his poor little man act and the smooth looks he gives them.

[@janiceleighton7348]

His family knew he had bad bad temper but sadly not enough that he would flipp they should look at there minds at this very carefully