Oscar Pistorius Trial: Thursday 10 April 2014, Session 2

[@cocobuff67]

Re:The fact that he said he grabbed her phone from out of the toilet. ....at 3:00 a.m. In the morning she brought her phone in the bathroom and locked the door( by his own admission he had to reach in and unlock it) she brought the phone in the bathroom and locked the door because she was afraid of him. He fired thru the door to prevent her from calling 911 because he was so worried it would end up on the news . He was so worried about his image he killed her because she threatened to call the police.

[@isaschierstedt6878]

My exact thoughts! I think he got out of controle in a fight and she screamed locked herself into the toilet threatened to call the police. He got so mad that he shot once into the toilet to make her come out. He had injured her at the hipp and she screamed more and told him that she was hit. He got scared because now he is really in trouble and might be expose as a guy who is abusing women. He makes the decision to fire another 3 shots to kill her.

[@rudzaniraliphada3066]

​@@isaschierstedt6878Z😊

[@clarkyclarky90]

If you disagree or have altering stories do reply. The night reeva was killed. Reeva was at the house before oscar arrived. She had something to eat as found in the autopsy, she then used the restroom after eating, also found in autopsy. She then told oscar to come home as she needed to talk, oscar arrived, they had been arguing the night before and both began arguing again. Before I go on you need to understand that reeva knew things oscar did not want her to know, like the other shootings and also his violent temper towards her. Reeva said she'd met up with her ex again at lunch, something oscar knew she'd done in the past and hated her doing as he's extremely protective, she said this is so hard we are not working, making oscar even more angry, arguing began, she yells at him telling him she needs to leave him, she is not happy anymore. He can't stand hearing this, he grabs the baseball, and chases her with it, screaming is now heard, he manages to make small contact with her, evidence show from some bruising on her body. Reeva runs to the bathroom, he hits the door with the bat, but can't get in, he runs for his firearm, she yells I'm calling the police, the door is now locked, I cant handle this she says, I need to leave, stop this, stop! She crys. she won't actually call the police, it is simply a threat, something she had hoped would slow him down. Instead this enrages him further. He now returns with the firearm and shoots at her with all intention to finish her, firing 4 shots and killing her. Unfortunately the rest is irrelevant, this is the story of the night Reeva Steenkamp was killed by a raging oscar.

[@jeanettehinds4253]

Clarkyclarky90. Could you please tell me where you got the dialogue from? Was it something I missed? Also, I remember reading somewhere, on the night of the 14th, as he pulled up to his home, he spent 30 minutes on the phone with his ex. Did you hear that?

[@lisle12345]

are you kidding me. we need this type of cross examination. this is how you get facts out of lying witnesses

[@xy11xy]

What magical hands Pistorius has. In his hands, guns go off all by themselves and a woman's head is blown off. I suppose that its the gun that should be on trial, not Oscar.

[@peaps]

How is it possible to fire a gun 4 times accidentally?

[@evecollins5499]

exactly my point i mean if you shot once or twice i believe accidentantly but he shot again two more times that is intent.

[@mancheezethegreat8617]

Yep. Nell is trying to make PIstol man admit that he was intentionally shooting, but pistol man doesn't want to admit that, otherwise, he would have to admit he intentionally shot Reeva.

[@bouncyshak]

Oscar's lies are laughable: 1:05:31

[@bernadictbernard3864]

does he remember anything at all? it's like thats the best lie he can tell whenever he gets cornered

[@Toast4tw]

that judge fucking scares the shit out of me, honestly :D

[@georgedavies9167]

Toast4tw She reminds me of my mum lol

[@paulawhitlock2035]

"I didn't mean to pull the trigger". FOUR TIMES???

[@johnmcknight1964]

wot a fantastic job this prosecutor is doing here eh

[@hanksome1677]

mark scott agreed. like vince bugliosi

[@reptilexcq2]

This asshole based on the way he answer/dodging the questions and make it difficult for the prosecutor sound to me he's 100% guilty. If he have nothing to hide...he should not have nothing to worry about and speak naturally and honestly. The fact that he makes it difficult says it all. Also a lot of things don't make sense. Let's just say he never seen his gf head to the bathroom (let's give him that), who the hell would just head to the bathroom with a gun without confirming that she's still in the bed? Every human being would say something like "honey, did you hear that?" "i heard a sound in the bathroom." This would confirm that your gf is with you before you're head to the bathroom to investigate. He clearly did not do that and can't invent a story like this because that would confirm she's with him. Also, if you have gun with you, what the hell are you afraid of?? And if you see the robber is in the bathroom...you would have turned on the light and wait and ask who's inside. And why the hell a robber want to hide inside a toilet lol stupid and locked LOL. And why would you shoot without asking who's inside? Any human would say...."who's inside?" when holding a gun. And clearly he realize if he said that, his gf would reply to him...so he can't invent that story. All these tell me this fool is a fucking liar. I think they had a big argument and she was scared of him and go inside the bathroom. He threatened to shoot her and he did with 4 rounds ....whether he intend to just hurt her or killed her..i don't know but clearly he doesn't care at that point due to absolute anger.

[@eireannhughes5254]

reptilexcq2 absolutely agree

[@RollingEmpire]

Nel: OP is the judge a male? Oscar: don't remember my lady

[@kimberlys.t.7206]

Perhaps Oscar is in the know? Lol probably is a lady I wouldn’t doubt it .

[@chriscaine7689]

This purely shows OP is lying on many things, and Nell is right, OP does not take any responsibility for his actions and everything that has happened to him is someone elses fault, or he has amnesia and doesn't remember??? Everyone else is lying except him? Hope the judge has made up her mind already as most of us have.

[@texanrob]

Many of you people must be watching a different trial than I am. So far the evidence has shown that it was a accident. The people that heard fighting from 700 meters away are lying. They have tested this and a cannot hear that far away unless they are superman.

[@venustus100]

Rob Smoot It was premeditated!!

[@texanrob]

venustus100 No it wasn't according to the evidence that has been presented so far.

[@texanrob]

Sorry, go back and check your facts again, they were not 170 meters they were 300 meters. And you physically cannot hear a person screaming at that distance.

[@jessemendez9044]

The judge is sleeping with op it is now confirmed,with out his feet their the same size Africans"

[@unopatutunjadingwe1065]

As a junior attorney, i want to be as good as these Senior Counsel..they conducted this trial in nothing but superb.

[@pps1fan]

Nel is not giving OP any mercy...he's starting to rattle OP too which is a good thing because his true personality will show exposing him for being the bully-boy that he is...he calls everyone a liar yet what comes to my mind is that phrase "Pot Calling Kettle Black" - he never ever takes accountability for any of his actions everyone else is to blame!

[@SaelPalani]

What a complete and utter killer. He KNEW she was in there.

[@formallyknown1]

One of Reeva's family members whispered "Tell the truth"

[@donkeyshot8472]

OP: "my understanding of the law is that, even if I`m guilty of murder, I`m not guilty".

[@maggie19ful]

yes bec he thinks he is above the law

[@helendqueen]

genius

[@eireannhughes5254]

don key shot omfg did he actually say that he is a fucking idiot and also guilty as sin!

[@kalikrome1543]

At the very end of this segment he convicts himself of culpable homicide. You can't just shoot 4x with hollow point ammo into a confined space like that toilet because of a "perceived threat". Its not a resonable excuse. He didn't see anything. He didn't hear an intruders voice. Nobody threatened him. He didn't even check the window for a ladder, so there's no way anyone could even have entered from outside. He's so concerned about the implications that he continually waffles on it being an accident. By continually saying "I didnt have time to think", without there being any real threat, only secured his guilt.

[@aevalk8369]

Nel pegged him from the beginning. He will not take responsibility for anything. If he had accepted his actions concerning some of the more minor charges it wouldn't be so glaringly obvious.

[@johndemerse9172]

You are 100 percent correct.

[@cloudnine585]

I am from the uk and it is now 2018. I found this and have become addicted. If anyone comes across my comment, would you please explain to me the significance of the plastic bags, rope and tape that was found at the murder scene. From what I have watched ( a lot) those items where only touched on fleetingly by POs' defence council. Oscar did not give a proper answer as to why he had them. Has anyone got any ideas what he may have intended to use them for. My mind is working over time, and coming up with some pretty bad ideas. I personally would not have put anything past Oscar Pistorius. He was/is a manipulative man. Who would do anything to save his own skin.

[@crasterfarai9581]

hi max..nobody found out why the black bags and rope were there..i can only imagine he was going to put the body in there and thought better of it..

[@B3arAbl3]

The plastic bags, rope, and tape you mentioned were significant pieces of evidence presented during the trial. They were found at Oscar Pistorius' residence and were subject to questioning by the prosecution. The prosecution argued that these items could potentially be used for nefarious purposes and implied that Pistorius may have had sinister intentions. However, it's important to note that the defense argued that these items had innocent explanations. For instance, Pistorius claimed that he had the plastic bags and tape to cover a broken window and the rope for various household tasks. His defense team's position was that these items were not related to the murder and should not be used to implicate him.

[@sylviavargas274]

This Pistorius guy is a complete sociopath,he thinks everyone is damn stupid and he's the only one who is smart. How can he not know that his version of the events is so way out of line from what normal people would have done in case they hear some noise.You first check your roommate, then you can determine who the heck made that noise.

[@Lholden17]

I must say that all of my life I've wanted to visit South Africa however after hearing of all of the horrific crimes and the way the courts are conducted now I have no desire to ever come to South Africa.

[@bernadictbernard3864]

then go to hell... ther's no crime there and the judgement is the same for all who go there........... #muh3f3

[@Lholden17]

bernadict bernard You sound just as sick and demented as PIstorious... the 2 of you would make a good couple...i feel sorry for you.

[@mdumiseninsibande3071]

Then don't

[@domdell6777]

COMMON SENSE and LOGIC Has left the Building ladies and gentleman.

[@TheLoxionKasie]

In case the line of questioning is confusing to some, in South African law of evidence, there is something called "the golden thread". Lawyers try to weave the thread through many apparently unrelated pieces of evidence in order to paint what is a bigger picture of guilt. This is what Nel is doing. Also, the defence had presented lots of character evidence (e.g Oscar is a good man etc). Nel has to counter this by showing that Oscar is actually a bad man. The most trivial of details are important when leading or breaking down character evidence.

[@mdumiseninsibande3071]

The cross examination is just comedy. Oscar and his lies🤣🤣🤣

[@TheGuitarmanrh]

Guilty guilty on all charges murdering spoilt narcasist...trying to get away with murder

[@paularthur3213]

OP has twice blamed his council for wrong information. I think Mr Roux has decided that OP doesn't need him anymore.........

[@Wheezerism]

Poor deluded Oscar likely thinks he is doing great on the stand and thinks it's safe to throw Roux under the bus.

[@karenmoynihan1879]

Was that noise Barry Roux being thrown under the bus by OP?

[@bloodandsnatters]

Why is OP allowed to cry,and mr NEL is not allowed to laugh?

[@londonfightfan8697]

The judge looks like she is on a different planet, like someone spiked het tea with lsd and she has no clue wtf is going on..

[@cloudnine585]

London Fightfan The judge should be back in the care home, rocking in a chair. She is too old and way way out of her depth with this case.... which was proved on appeal, when OP got more years banged onto his sentence, due to "this judges " incompetence.

[@andrewpower4468]

Gerrie Nel is a legend. Read up on him and it will show he is a pitbull. He does not leave a stone unturned. OP has had it, full of shit.

[@nomsantuli6023]

Eish he is smart

[@DavidHarsant1]

the glock 27 has a 3 safety mechanism, to prevent it from going off accidentally. The trigger has to be pulled the full distance.

[@DavidHarsant1]

"The GLOCK “Safe Action”® System is made up of 3 independent, automatic safeties designed to ensure the pistol cannot fire unintentionally due to inertia or any impact. The trigger must be moved completely to the rear to deactivate these safeties. Once released, all 3 safety features reengage and the pistol is automatically secured again." taken straight from the glock website

[@MM0SDK]

Shouldn't the defendant's lawyer be taking notes?

[@helendqueen]

When I think of OP, the C word springs to mind

[@rachelwilliams1401]

the gun went off magically, all the things in his bedroom that indicate intent to murder reeva were moved either magically or intentionally to frame him by police. Reeva said she was scared of him when what she really meant was she was scared of how strong her feeling for him were... can this guy get a break? It's like bad things happen all around him that all point to him being the cause but its all a series of unfortunate events/magic/conspiracy that implicate him and paint an undesirable picture of him. This judge should never have been put back on this case after her verdict was appealed...

[@pps1fan]

OP reminds me of Jodi Arias - when they can't answer straight up they use the old trusted "I can't remember" - selective amnesia!

[@Nessie42]

I agree there. I watched that Jodi Arias trial.

[@loganjsmommy1978]

The state proved capital murder in the JA trial. The state has not proven capital murder in this case. Big difference.

[@jamc666]

Tina Johnson Is there a difference between proving capital murder and proving "beyond reasonable doubt" that the accused is talking nonsense upon nonsense for hours on end ?

[@susanlarhubarbe9475]

@@loganjsmommy1978 well SA does not have the death sentence. But yes, the state hasn’t proven murder dolus directus; it ultimately proved murder dolus eventualis, in short.

[@blacktarot8282]

"The noise made me pull the trigger." -Oscar Pistorius

[@kenjohnson3192]

I was convinced that he was innocent in the beginning of the trial , but after watching the case till now , Im not so sure anymore . Why was the toilet door locked in the first place . There was know need for her to lock the door past 3 in the morning .It would be understandable if it was 3 in the afternoon , and they had lots of people over . The only way this can work is if they had a fight , and she ran to the toilet to escape . He came down the hall way and tried to open the door , she didn't open and he told her to open the door or he will shoot .He shot at the door not meaning to kill her , just to give her a freight . And by doing this he killed her by accident . Then he probably tried shouting to her thought the other side , He heard no response and went into a panic , knowing that he must have shot her . After that he bashed the door down , and cried probably saying ( WHAT DID I DO )

[@nisipeace464]

Shooting at the door was a stupid way to "give her a fright". Only a control freak would do something like that. Reeva was already in fear. She was heard crying and screaming prior to the gunshots. Who wouldn't scream out in pain after a gunshot shattered their hip?? That shot was prior to the shot to her head. OP claims he could hear nothing due to the blasts of the gun, yet still insists she wasn't screaming. And what about after he dragged her down the stairs, then got garbage bags, rope and tape… wth?!?

[@Mary-NY]

Nisi Peace Not to mention he accidentally shot at her 4 times???? Bullet to the hip, arm and head. That's no accident. He's a sociopath. Your post is spot on Nisi!

[@jcavanagh5962]

This prosecutor is successfully bringing out the reckless nature of this immature person. OP's lack of responsibility for reckless behavior is STRONGLY being validated. This maneuver by the prosecutor will successfully contribute to the conviction of this lack of human empathy, murderer. The murder of this beautiful girl was just another reckless behaving night in OP's life. I believe this prosecution tactic will result in OP's conviction. OH and I wonder how much money Roux paid that spectator, outside court, to hand OP flowers while exiting the court? Just curious. How desperate is this defense?

[@DAVIDSTEPHENS8]

There can be no doubt that a strong possibility exists that the judge will make an adverse credibility finding against the accused

[@yashigunaratne8444]

Oscar stop turning your story around and lying, clearly judge, my lady he is guilty!! people like this never take responsibility for their actions. why are we even hearing this lies from Oscar? may the truth come out and justice a pone this case!!

[@bouncyshak]

Roux is cringing at 1:04:34

[@jamc666]

He already turned the seat half way in the video to be closer to the way out ...

[@Frlene71]

Can't find Session 1 for some odd reason.

[@marytysonmeans1655]

Once this judge has made her decision she is going to retire. Mark my word.

[@reginaldmdeni8673]

mary tyson means wow how did you know. She did retire 😳

[@quintintaljaard7730]

What about her locking the door after Oscar shouted get out of the house (sounding scared)? Dont you think if you heard your partner shouting at 3am in the morning you would also think there is someone in the house and then lock the door in the bothroom with no windows......might be the safest place in the house actually! Think about this whole thing with an open mind, I think he is guilty for killing someone, but it might not have been his intention to kill Reeva. No one is able to understand the truth and neither will he be able to convince people because everybody is looking at him to convict him!! So obviously everything will be inturpretted more towards him lying than saying the truth. These prosecuters are brilliant at sucking out what they want the courts to hear, they are not letting him say what really happen, everytime he says something, they would say he is lying!! How would he know what exactly happened.....what if Oscar is talking 100% the truth....and this prosecuting lawyer keeps saying his lying.....I mean WTF!!!

[@kasia9584]

Thank you! At least someone thinks out of the box! That is exactly what I think and it doesn't mean I think he isnt guilty. It's so sad people are so quickly to make their judgement and it's full of nastiness and anger. Yes he killed someone but nobody can tell what happened because nobody had been there!

[@Mary-NY]

No, I don't agree based on his ever changing versions. If he was in the hall shouting Reeva call the police she would have answered. She would also scream with the first strike of the bullet to her hip! I believe they had an argument, she ran from him and locked herself in the bathroom, not thinking she was trapped like a rat! His testimony alone shows his guilt, lie after lie, contradictions and being evasive by adding more to his story and leaving things out.

[@karenmoynihan1879]

A classic case of domestic violence ending in tragedy, so sad! It's Jodi Arias all over again!

[@paulawhitlock2035]

I don't think Mr. Nel has caught OP up on anything...or much. There haven't been any glaring errors. The strongest evidence the prosecution has is Reeva's long text to OP stating she is scared of him (among other things) and the testimony from neighbours saying they heard an argument that night. I hope they get to the details of whether Reeva was dressed while in the bathroom and whether she tried to call for help on her cell.

[@rmilkyswife]

It's weird that I'm a trial that here where I live due to the time would not have happened yet. What I don't understand is if he had the so called intruder in the toilet room he wouldn't say " hey I have a gun if you come out ill shot you!" He's not a good liar with all the evidence he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

[@accedo98]

Is anyone else wondering why Oscar uses that terrible ammunition instead of 'usual' bullets? What ever he had in mind - he wanted to hurt someone even more than 'standard gunshots' would have. Really curious. Poor sweet Reeva.... '

[@leelee6000]

Don't cry kerstien please don't cry reeva won't be forgotten just like you so don't be sad angel face x

[@ezenwosu852]

Pistol thinks hes slick lol. He inserts an, "if i can recall correctly" or "as far as i can remember m'lady" or some other lifeline into 99% of his responses so that if Nel catches him in a blatant lie he can spin it by adapting. Perfect example wen he gets caught about having to leave a party early cuz it was Sat and he had practice. When he realizes it was actually a Sun, he confidently challenges Nel to go back and check and he will see that op said "if i can recall correctly it was a Sat..." 12:00+

[@claudinebate4861]

If Oscar answered the questions properly, Gerrie Nel wouldn't have to 'badger' him. Simples.

[@cazofalmond]

Thanks, I glad tp hear that.

[@Tessietots]

What I don't understand.. Why does the Judge and the defense team not jump in and object. Badgering. etc etc. Is this normal in the court system?

[@paulawhitlock2035]

Once in a while they have jumped up and objected to the repetition of questions/answers - especially when Roux was droning on weeks ago. It is surprising that so much of this passes though.

[@danielking9830]

I think it depends how evasive the answers are. If a witness isn't answering a question directly on the first time, you can obviously ask it again, and make a point of doing so as long as it takes to get a straight answer. Only if they answer and you still persist does it become badgering... Witnesses can make it harder on themselves if they want.

[@Tessietots]

Thanks .. that makes sense.

[@bobover6474]

shame on you. you think Nel is being too hard on Oscar. You forgot how hard Oscar was on Reeva. Nel has been pretty soft on the guy that treated Reeva like a watermelon.

[@marytysonmeans1655]

Why does the judge not make him answer the yes and no questions ?

[@crasterfarai9581]

please put this man in jail for 15 years AT LEAST...never have i heard so many lies fall out of someones mouth with so much apparent ease..he genuinely believes that he can fool the entire world...of the thousands of comments on you tube, the percentage of those who think he is lying is around 99%....there is a reason for this..he is guilty..

[@zamzin10]

Answer the damn question Oscar!!!

[@opengates777]

That judge was no judge! 6 years jail sentence was the biggest joke!

[@yashigunaratne8444]

OMG, Reeva had clearly said she is scared of him and snapped at her, so why are you lying? and why are you Judge listing to Oscar's stupid story which make no sense. Oscar is the biggest actor to play the innocent role here and biggest liar we have ever heard , playing the game very innocently and practiced well. what a joke. you have clearly killed the girl friend in anger lack of control of anger and passion to use the gun to kill someone.

[@brucea791]

This is so embarrassing for the defence, that tomorrow they are going to show up wearing paper bags on their heads

[@Nessie42]

I wish Oldwagger would stop chewing the end of his glasses. What a smirky bastard.

[@domdell6777]

op never held this new model of Glock with a hair trigger,it being so light,his 1st grab at it made it go off.Guarantee it.They have double safetys and must be chambered unlocked ,gripped and triggerpulled. Hes sooo full of it.He has selective amnesia.

[@KaktusLady]

I’m from Alberta, 🇨🇦 ... Wowwzers things are so different in court.. Very kool!

[@ezekielthemack]

OP says "my lady" more than Parker in Thunderbirds.... lol

[@skippedol1]

samantha taylor the luckiest girl in the world

[@ezenwosu852]

New word invented by op: icawntrimmembah

[@Ettibridget]

Are you making gun of the South African accent? That's not very polite...

[@LSB91]

You could tell the judge was pissed for the rest of the session after people in the gallery laughed. Oscar's emotional ramble at the end was so frustrating to listen to, he's going on about how he doesn't understand what's being put to him and he didn't mean to shoot anyone blah blah blah....when it's clearly a very simple set of questions being put to him. "Did you fire the gun with the intent to shoot at the intruder who you perceived to be coming out to attack you?" He has to admit that he aimed and fired the gun because it's too implausible to say it went off 4 times accidentally (if it was one shot maybe he could've use that argument again) and its not credible to say he doesn't remember it at all but he will deny up and down that he intentionally fired the weapon because that would effectively be admitting to culpable homicide. Fortunately I think the judge will see through this bs and correctly find him guilty, preferably of both counts.

[@cazofalmond]

Yeah, she didn't realise or understand that people weren't laughing because it was funny, it was a human expression of aghast because he is so unbelievbly full of s**t.

[@appleseedswe]

The only thing about this tragic event that puzzles me is WHY he would kill Reeva in cold blood, in his own house. It makes no sense at all. To be a professional athlete you have to have alot of self-control and he doesn´t seem to have a temper problem. So, if he wanted her dead, why do it this way? It makes NO sense. This is the reason I am glued to these broadcasts, I want to know if he did it, and if he did, WHY he did it. I just cant see any rime or reason in this whole thing and that makes me think he is innocent.

[@MotoTubeGuzzi]

The motive for that we want to hear is still missing. I begin to think it is a far more tricky case than thought to be.

[@FunkyBear2]

As a survivor of domestic abuse I can an say OP is a classic example of an abuser-putting Reeva down, bullying her, the tears-'oh poor me' attitude (he even had the nerve to say Reeva 'died in my arms' - because that again makes him the hero). He's also a compulsive liar and doing a very good job at proving that in court.

[@36MURPHY]

Is it normal in south Africa to take a gun everywhere you go?

[@hanksome1677]

reeva had a degree in law. She had his number and probably put it to OP like Nel. OP just lost it and fired the extra 3 shots to keep her from talking.

[@TheLoxionKasie]

1:19:27 - why the hell is he wanting to cry now?

[@Mary-NY]

He is crying because Nel has him cornered in lies!

[@Mary-NY]

Reeva's family will be doing an in-depth interview on the discovery channel, April 13, www.wsmv.com/story/25203089/investigation-discovery-premieres-an-in-depth-special-featuring-exclusive-access-to-reeva-steenkamps-family-during-trial-of-oscar-pistorius

[@Mary-NY]

@@Ettibridget I shared the link and they have taken down a lot of his trial. If you search you may find more links.

[@schuylerjohnson3051]

At no time did OP CHECK to see WHERE Reeva was BEFORE he fired four shots through the door. He did NOT call emergency services first, he called a friend of his, a lady lawyer...like, what the hell is SHE going to do? Why would you NOT call emergency services instead of some idiot lawyer? And why tell the guard everything is fine when clearly it was not? and then all those sad messages from Reeva, trying so hard to make a go of this impossible relationship. As her friend Maddie Smith stated "He was either loving or angry" nothing in between. He picked at her almost constantly. and breaking down the door with the cricket bat? Never happened, he beat Reeva with that cricket bat which is why she fled in terror to hide in the bathroom, poor thing, her terror must have been off the charts.

[@clarkyclarky90]

Were there bruises found on here body at all? is this what you think happened? It seems like a good interpretation of what could have happened that night after he snapped when reeva told him she had met up with her ex and wanted to break up with him, what started with arguing led to him possible hitting her, she yelling and screaming when he continue to try and hit her with the bat, she then ran to the bathroom, yelling I want to leave! Leave me be! He then ran to get his firearm, she locked the door and sat on the toilet possibly hands on face crying, he then walked back to the door and shot the 4 shots. This is the story and the death of reeva

[@schuylerjohnson3051]

His first shot shattered her hip, at which point she was screaming for her life and he new, at that point, it was her life or his so he killed her by firing three more shots, but he KNEW it was Reeva. NOT an intruder. As to bruises I don;t know but her head showed a lot of trauma which may have been from him hitting her in the head with the cricket bat before she ran and hid in the bathroom. He also messed with the crime scene by removing her body from the bathroom and carrying it downstairs.

[@elke1942]

Who is that lady to the right of OPs sister?

[@kenjohnson3192]

The only thing that makes oscars version not work is , that he approached the danger . Why didn't he take reeva and himself out through the sliding door . And why didn't he wake her when he grabbed his gun . If he tried to wake her he would have noticed that she wasn't in the bedroom .I think his hiding something , This cross examiner looks like his on to it .The only thing I can think of is that reeva and him had a fight about something , she ran to the toilet and locked herself in it . He came done the hall way into the toilet , and told her to come out or he will shoot . He shot her , knowing that the area in the toilet is very small . After shooting her he got such a freight what he did , and broke down the door and creating a innocent looking version . We must remember that reeva was a very attractive women , He is a man with no legs and jealousy could have got the better of him . He could have thought that she would go for a man that could have given her more . If he is guilty then I hope he gets what he deserves , life in prison . But if it was an accident then , I hope for his sack that the court goes easy on him . We will just have to wait and see what the out come will be .

[@phizap]

she was awake

[@phizap]

if anyone knows (w/out searching) is there another entrance to the washroom, and or toilet ??

[@nickharris9761]

Love 1.05.07 - Roux and Oldwage hiding - defence case in shatters - feeling sorry now for Aimee - finding out your brother is a consistent lying murderer must be hard. But not as hard for Reeva - who was murdered by this lying killer.

[@texanrob]

Not one statement in this trial has established Oscar as a liar. The prosecution is just grabbing at straws. If you were on the stand for your life your brain might not remember as much detail as you think. It is definitely to early to make such a harsh judgment.

[@3633632]

Rob Smoot You kidding Smoot???? I'll bet you right not he gets 25 years minimum. 50 bucks??????

[@cherrainemcleod8883]

Rob Smoot What about I did not shoot through the sunroof?

[@steveboback6812]

true. Many people are suffering, except Roux, Inc, who knew he hooked a huge fish and is fighting this as long as he can milk the money, then cut bait. His fee can only be afforded by a super-rich client, obviously. Go Nel! Justice for rich and poor alike.

[@VMacTheDon]

Rob Smoot has a point. The case is not over. There's still a psychological expert to testify for the defense that Oscar is experienced PTSD which would explain his lack of memory and mistakes. Also the credibility of the state's witnesses needs to be called into question, for example a scorned ex lover who would possibly lie about him shooting through the sunroof and about him shouting at her just so he can go to prison.

[@SaelPalani]

'I don't know how I'm supposed to remember something'. Uh, derp you dumb guy. You WERE THERE.

[@lalina1304]

Oh my gosh I could never do law... I feel sorry for Oscar, and he could be guilty... I think even after I reasonably find someone guilty I wouldn't sleep thinking, "but what if he is innocent as unbelievable as his story was..."

[@zekihutari3273]

today was desicive i had doubts but today i am sure .

[@ENGLAND4GZ]

OP is guilty

[@MaureenMaynes]

Listening to the evidence I feel that without a confession from Oscar Pistorius there is nothing in the evidence which could prove that Reeva's death was not the result of a terrible accident but a planned and ruthlessly carried out premeditated murder....why would he kill her? His life is in ruins and the poor girl has lost her life.

[@danielking9830]

It could be a murder, and in the bigger scheme of things a terrible accident, at the same time. The intent to shoot and kill someone only has to last a split second for it to be a murder. Some jurisdictions call a murder in the heat of the moment as a crime of passion, which is different to a ruthless planned killing; you wouldn't probably consider all the long term consequences if you were acting out of anger or perhaps as he says out of fear, but the responsibility still stays with you.

[@MaureenMaynes]

Yes I completely agree with your analysis; only he will ever know the truth. However, what ever the outcome; Oscar Pistorius must live with what happened forever. I'm listening to the trial now and I think some evidence is coming to light which is very damaging to Pistorius.

[@jesushchrist4647]

"....I can't stand here and lie.." 28.55secs.. one of the funniest things ive ever heard..

[@jojonds]

Is this guy OP a man ? He can't even man up to his guilt... even his counsel said he screams like a girl..

[@zuankruth3724]

This Nel is a joke.

[@Bump688]

I don't remember seeing any ballistic evidence on how much pressure was needed to fire Mr P's gun. If the trigger was hairline, then yes I understand the gun going off accidentally, if it needed force, then it couldn't have been an accident. or did I miss part of the trial??

[@jamc666]

you've missed the part where it went off without OP touching the trigger ... Hallelujah

[@Bump688]

LOL. yes, I had to laugh at that.. he described how the gun went off in the restaurant without his finger being on the trigger.. I've never touched a gun in my life, but that really made my jaw drop...lol

[@nickylup9566]

I believe that is 5 pounds the gun that Oscar had

[@nickylup9566]

jamc666 did you like how he says it just went off..I don't understand why people say that when they know it takes pounds of pressure to do that..

[@jamc666]

His friend's trousers went all the way under the table to trigger the shot ... we have the culprit ... Jail 'em !!

[@maggie19ful]

you are cornered OP!! admit it Obvious you are guilty with the charge of firearm negligence

[@mosesgathaiya]

@ mulanga yes this guy is brilliant!!

[@thatosemoko8530]

"My understanding VS facts?''....aaaahhhh dis man mara!

[@davidfoster2761]

He’s been brought up not to admit to anything he could have been on camera.he still would not admit to it guilty on all charges.

[@1millionmolecules]

6:39 "You ARE lying." Nel bossing it as per.

[@Shockwave107]

Please erase all the comment , nothing but hate tress and rubbish guessing !!!

[@MarethaDeJager]

And here we go again Very old news.

[@formallyknown1]

I never want to go to court in South Africa lol

[@RollingEmpire]

Yes my lady that's a lie...

[@AfriNam1894]

The way people are judging Oscar its like his already guilty.HE'LL REMAIN INNOCENT "TILL MY LADY" DECIDES THAT HIS GUILTY PERIOD!

[@maatkare28]

I don't need "MY LADY" to know a gun crazy psycho when I see one! This fool needs to man up and take responsibility for what he did. He shot that poor women and needs to pay the price. Looks like he not only lost his leggs but hid balls as well. Even his voice sounds guilty to me sad excuse of a man makes me sick!!! Hope that unfortunate woman"s family can have some kind off closure soon.

[@AfriNam1894]

***** Leave all to the court and let God judge.

[@maatkare28]

Mwetu Shipanga Yes thats all good but God told us : Thou shall not kill so hess lets judge this murderer JUDGE JURY and all!!! I respect your opinion and this is mine. This fool is guilty without a doubt

[@AfriNam1894]

***** I respect yours too and am glad you respect mine"He thought it was a burglar".We are born knowing that we must not kill,rape,steal etc...Its in our self conscious.He was simply trying to protect himself and probably Reeva.I mean this guy has got no legs, he can be targeted easily by people, because his got money.Its just unfair that people are already judging him before the final verdict from "My/Our Lady".My condolences to Reeva's family.Name calling and all that stuff would not solve anything nor bring Reeva back.

[@maatkare28]

Mwetu Shipanga Lets agree to disagree, I don't believe that he tried to protect nobody. He's way to trigger-happy and a lot off his stories don't add up. But we shall see what is gonna happen during this trail. I salute your compassion but im already convinsed of his guilt. Its in Gods hands now and He knows best. Peace!

[@cathymillernz]

From halfway across the world I totally agree. Half the statements put to Pistorius seem to be in the forms of nonquestions which he is expected to answer. Musings on seemingly unrelated events and hypothetical situations where Pistoriious is suppoed to speculate what someone else might have been thinking. It seems to me to serve no purpose other than to befuddle and exhaust both Pistoriuous and observors, and perhaps draw out the trial and increase everybodys fees!

[@susanlarhubarbe9475]

Yes, halfway across the world is the key phrase, which means you don’t understand this legal system. These questions about state of mind and hypothetical questions are central to the question of mens rea - being intention( direct or indirect) and negligence which use different standards and tests. Unless you have some legal training, you won’t understand Advocate Nel’s approach.

[@susanlarhubarbe9475]

@@carmeldipped1 he was skating the issues. If you can’t discern how vacillating and contradictory he was under cross- examination which I believe fairly tested his version/s; then you’re being naive or delusional.

[@cathymillernz]

@@susanlarhubarbe9475 wow! you are responding to a comment I made 7 years ago - I can't see the comment above mine that I responded to so can't remember what the initial thread was about. I may be halfway across the world but I was brought up in South Africa and married a lawyer who trained in both South Africa, Zimbabwe and New Zealand - but no I don't have any legal training you are correct on that point!

[@rchris31]

Pistorius is done...

[@sarah6557]

Why can't we see his face but everyone can ?

[@Nessie42]

Oh dear one of the men (I think Oscar's brother) is chewing gum.

[@sunchildtine]

who is the dark haired girl seated along steenkamp's family? she looks like oscar's sister...

[@jdkeet]

Irrespective of whether Oscar is guilty or not the fact is that this prosecutor is playing with words and hammering on the wrong stuff. I am not coming up for Oscar however I know how dangerous the Gauteng area is. So, like I do, you drive with a firearm on you for self defense. You get to the Vaal dam. What are you supposed to do with your firearm---you needed it while driving the 90+km (50+ miles) pass dangerous settlements! Now you want to go on the boat. If you go on the boat and you leave your weapon in the car you are guilty of negligence since you may not leave it in your vehicle. You take it on the boat with you because any police officer and a person with a little commonsense will tell you this is the better/ right thing to do. you are not taking your "firearm to a party" as this prosecutor moron is trying to portray!So, you are in a little boat on the Vaal dam with close friends and trust them. There are no robbers on the boat or out there on the water. So now under a controlled situation with trustable friends and with no other boats or criminal around you, you want to take a swim....does this stupid prosecutor want him to swim with his gun on him. What must the man do? Ok this prosecutor tries to proof that with a round in the chamber it is dangerous and irresponsible----it is typical that this prosecutor does not know firearms. He goes down the wrong path. It is time that this prosecutor need to fall under the hands of the South African criminals because he is unfair and he paints a unfair picture in respect to the boat -Vaal dam portion. Secondly, You may keep ammunition for someone else in your safe but you may not keep someone else's firearm without a letter covering both parties---the was the case before I left South Africa a few years ago! (Many a time my parents from Namibia came to visit us in Pretoria and my father had his pistol with him in the car. When they arrived at my house my father's pistol went into my save. We even went to the police and recorded it there in a letter because that is what the Police at the Moot police station told us to do) Oscar did not have the firearm or a 9-mm (.38) firearm for that ammunition at the time--- If this is how low the prosecution level dropped in South Africa and this shows where the logic of a 'educated man (prosecutor) is going, no wonder criminals have the overhand and is getting away with everything-he has no commonsense. Look at the court cases in the USA ---the judge and jury would have told this prosecutor he is way off the track.

[@astrolight100]

Ok so, the story is simple: Reeva went in the toilet as Oscar was bringing in the fans. He did not hear her footsteps on the carpet as the fans were blowing in his face. He hears a noise from the bathroom (toilet door) and assuming that Reeva is in bed, thinks an intruder is in his house. He whispers to Reeva to call the police - she doesnt hear because of the fans and the fact that she is now n the toilet. He yells "Get the F*** Outta My House!!!". Reeva thinks he is talking to her and locks the door out of fear and doesnt say a word. She freezes. Oscar shoots then realizes Reeva is not there, breaks the toilet door and finds to find her taking her last breathes. This story is immensely tragic but rationally it is possible. Horror stories such as this do happen. If he had broken the toilet door before shooting, then I would think he could be guilty, but since it was proven to be the contrary, it does support Oscar's testimony. Besides, who would commit murder through a door? This case is puzzling to say the least.

[@stephenbrooke5860]

I am still shocked at what the SA system allows in terms of cross-examination. Badgering the witness, demanding speculation and going on fishing expeditions are all tactics not permitted in other common law countries.

[@jamc666]

C'mon, give us a break ... He holds the gun, He admits no one could've touched the gun and, Halleluja, a shot goes off .... are we really that stupid ?

[@chriscaine7689]

Stephen Brooke = Nell is not badgering OP any more than Roux badgered the other witnesses, in fact Roux was so condescending and rude it was grim viewing.

[@esterveldman4983]

Agree stephen...the only reason I can think of here ...it is crystal clear Oscar has PTSD,you remember drastic things,and has daily memory losses,just some drastic points,I think why Barry allows it,they gonna get a Psychiatrist in the defense as far as i understand,and this whole cross questioning is proving it

[@paulawhitlock2035]

It has been an eye-opener. I watched the Simpson trial and a lot of the Arias trial and don't remember if these tactics were used.

[@esterveldman4983]

I am telling you,in my opinion it is in human,i must say I am also shocked,they really,truly treat this man as if he is an animal,because they open him now to anything,to prove a point,i am completely against the fact that the media also are allowed to record his crying,its simply not human

[@theklaus7436]

If this man aren’t guilty I don’t know who is. I think he used his bat to hurt this woman. The story of a burglar is so unbelievable it is crying out loud.

[@sesefara]

lol..take it from me, He (Barry) will jump up if im wrong; said Adv Nel...lmao

[@jamc666]

that was brilliant ... rofl