"the editor sucks"

a classic osu! tale: a mapper gets really mad and leads osu! developers to do the unthinkable: develop osu! (...specifically, the editor)
in this video, peppy and pishifat talk about what's changed in osu!(lazer) since the last update, mostly focusing on what spaceman_atlas has been up to
the changelog: osu.ppy.sh/home/changelog/laz...
the lazer download: osu.ppy.sh/home/download
lazer is the next major update to osu!. learn about it: • what is lazer?
00:00 - editor upvote
04:59 - weird mods
06:01 - sane changes
07:01 - beatmap-of-the... daily challenge

[@Paradoxical8945]

The budget for this video is insane, the intro has like $500 worth of printer ink

[@xddddddddddddd]

new printer moment smh imagine not rigging old printers third world country style

[@Lunethia]

hahahahaha

[@kotovasiya-tv]

Are you kidding? If you have a printer, each colored A4 page would cost you $0.20 max

[@yZiv_]

@@kotovasiya-tv this guy doesn't know that refillable printers exist

[@Lunethia]

@@kotovasiya-tv Yes, he is indeed kidding.

[@Luzi-chan]

>peppy started to play osu daily. >peppy rises up in ranks >peppy takes the throne from mrekk >peppy stopped playing and works on the game again.

[@MultiMinors]

fun fact is, peppy is actually able to do that, he could be #1 any minute with a couple lines of code :D

[@arsenee]

lmao imagine

[@loli42]

🫄

[@grandmonolit4504]

@@MultiMinors on April fools day

[@autooru6600]

"someone piss me off on reddit, I made a whole bunch updates" is not the opening I expect on a Lazer update video. W devs as always

[@TheDigitalZero]

Redditors are powerful, but hard to get working. You would not believe how capable their spite is.

[@years3333]

it's not spite, it's responding properly to feedback. conflict is not abuse

[@harveyhans]

​@@years3333this

[@squiddu]

​@@years3333okay but the feedback was said in like the most unnecessarily rude way that's more of the thing that probably pissed him off enough to do something because blah blah literally insulting a dev blah blah ignoring said dev's calling out of it

[@DaVince21]

​@@squidduVery true. We can appreciate the devs' professionalism for treating it seriously all the more because of that.

[@grass9764]

Now all I need is that osu!lazer is as skinnable as stable

[@mekafinchi]

Now all I need is that skins actually import correcty

[@Threegale]

this please

[@Scroll_UA]

​@@mekafinchiso true

[@nullbtw69]

real

[@Nesquate]

Yes, please do this for future release🙏

[@IVameless]

7:35 peppy gigachad mouse player confirmed

[@RadeonVega64]

fr

[@SeanIsAFatty]

A few years ago he used to come in and create Multiplayer lobbies with the restriction of Mouse Only. Plenty of people would come in from #osu and just vibe out to peppy's song selection. It was good fun back then.

[@Wulk]

Based

[@UmCaraNormalnumPlanetanormal]

thats my GOAT

[@Attewir]

Ah yes, the one area I wish they had updated years prior is finally getting some attention! Peppy's osu! skills

[@OliBomby]

I waited a year for this moment

[@WhyAreThereSoManySavs]

it's the guy who made osu mania scratch 😮

[@zuccy1017]

bro couldnt wait no more he said FINE imma do it myself

[@Enanout]

Lazer updates my beloved

[@efeloteishe4675]

I only love it because of native linux support

[@owencmyk]

LAZER UPDATE!!!! 😺 I was going through lazer update withdrawal

[@EmOhEff10]

Vod frog featured artist when :eyes:

[@owencmyk]

@@EmOhEff10 I'm trying to make it happen lol

[@RadeonVega64]

same

[@huuishuu]

Only thing the editor is missing for me in order to no longer need a Stable install is for beatmap submission to be implemented. Until that's actually implemented, I'm still not going to be using osu!lazer for mapping. Don't get me wrong, the editor changes are fantastic & I love how it's shaping up so far, but the fact that you still need an install of Stable to even submit maps is the reason why I'm still using Stable for all of my mapping needs.

[@shenzhia]

I agree, I made my first baby steps with mapping and was quite disappointed to see that stable is required for submission.

[@Touryouka]

All they need to add now is a built in file explorer for skin editing and I'm switching over. The fact that it isn't in the game yet is a very big deal breaker for me since I'm constantly changing my skin.ini and changing the cursor I'm using in a skin. :P

[@TheDigitalZero]

See if you can get in direct touch with a dev. They love this kind of feedback but usually miss them.

[@StackoTra]

already asked Peppy about this issue, he said lazer will have a feature to allow editing beatmaps and skins like you used to be able to. "why change things?" he said ; "the game has better control of files. For instance, there's no "songs going missing" and "F5 to refresh" at song select due to the new file management. Also it saves 10-30% disk space since beatmaps and skins can all share the same files!" but the main issue with this built-in explorer is that i can't no longer Seeding my beatmaps folder to others, i guess? gotta need a confirmation about this...

[@mfy0108]

@@StackoTra I saw people saying that you actually can with symlinks, but couldn't make it myself as it just basically copied my whole songs folder

[@rincasifutsume]

Also as someone making a skin for both stable and lazer, I find lazer's way of handling files to be a bit tedious since I have to uninstall the skin I want to update and then install the updated .osk file, other than that I have to compress the skin folder as well unlike back in stable I was able to just hit refresh and see my updated skin right away in-game.

[@ampersand64]

YES 100% ! plus, fix the 'importing duplicate skins' thing

[@zeppie_]

Oh my god yes daily challenges! One thing that should definitely be a thing is an archive for what the previous dailies were

[@Stevoisiak]

As an Elite Beat Agents fan, I appreciate the return of Pass/Fail storyboards.

[@OrangeC7]

I didn't even realize storyboards could do that, I think that's actually a really cool feature

[@Stevoisiak]

@@OrangeC7 It's a holdover from the game osu! is based on, Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan, or Elite Beat Agents.

[@Harufloof]

If I may add something. Don't make the bank name just a dropdown. Make it so you can select by turning the mousewheel, while having your cursor anywhere on the column too. As well as having your cursor just on the textfield box for the bank name, and then turning the mousewheel. This would be a nice touch to any dropdown menu element in general.

[@NatiiixLP]

The built-in grid options are crazy useful for all of the OCD-riddled among us who require precise geometric shapes and spacing!

[@randomness4989]

Hi Hi I m one of them 👋

[@Kubalopl]

among us

[@jatoxo]

among us

[@NicNock]

among us i love the internet

[@Iredecent]

mania needs a option that lets you press youre normal mania keys while the songs playing and it will put those notes into the song when u press a specific key. bassically, play the song with no note, press a key and it adds a note to that song, keep going till its done, and make changes later

[@XplosivDS]

Exactly, rough mapping with your input keys!

[@kadoen]

this is known as livemapping, it is possible in other editors and it can produce.. well, not good maps, but memes for sure (see lochie bewhy maps)

[@XplosivDS]

@@kadoen Yeah I don't think I would use this for the final product, more so to get the rough position and specific key use. It would be a lot quicker to do this then adjust than to select each note and length manually

[@realsnezki]

this is already a thing in osu!stable for those who don't know

[@Iredecent]

@@realsnezki i cant really find a way to do that for mania mode charting

[@KudosK42]

That speed modifier is enticing enough to make me consider playing lazer aaaaaaa (mania player btw)

[@RadeonVega64]

mania gang

[@inv41id]

lazer has a bunch of mods that are great for practicing too, you should try out OD11 (it's hard)

[@kirby6548]

I am not a notable mapper by any means, just mapping casually. But with these changes the only thing stopping me from mapping in lazer too is the ability to upload maps to the web directly from lazer

[@yZiv_]

Facts. Facts.

[@finnianniko]

Cool update! Mania got some appreciation too:D. I hope mania lazer editor implements having a keybind for every lane to place objects on instead of using a mouse, in 4K it would be 1 2 3 4 and for higher key so on, similar on how ArrowVortex do it (a stepfile editor).

[@LMusicTW]

That's why I feels like other skins feels weirdddd, it's because their hit circles are smallerrrrr

[@IceNinjaXYZ]

I never really got into mapping in standard so i like how how the lazer one looks but the one thing i desperately need is to be able to choose the new combo color i want to use instead of it always going in order. There are a lot of BPM changes in some maps i want to try mapping and using specific colors for those are a gamechanger.

[@Sharlashaskashinkawa]

TY For the update! Seriously, this is one of the most dedicated transparent development projects I've seen! ...... No hitsound option without effect volume 0% when >:)

[@ncnrnx]

Daily challenge sounds really nice!

[@scatheil]

Thank you for the speed rate change hot key

[@FoambornAB]

Nice! Been waiting patiently for these.

[@Rh7thmVSRG]

Lazer looking better and better 🙏

[@Jaffa__]

Exciting! Thanks for doing these videos I think they are amazing

[@juibeat]

I cant wait for daily beatmaps!!!

[@resolvedman]

Really appreciate your works. Keep up the motivation!!

[@zezimaownz432]

i really like the teaser addition to the editor where you could select "triangle" to make snapping points come up for properly spaced triangles.

[@kalatre]

Thanks for working on the beatmap of the day thing. Really cool update.

[@tovc]

0:25 The central red line on the timeline was changed to be centered above the editor playfield. In changing the spacing by removing the timeline toggles, this change has regressed I dont know if its intentional, but I don't really see any reason for this change to be reverted. The timeline doesnt necessarily need to be symmetrical, and if anything, would benefit from having more visibility for previous objects

[@AnimadisticaOrKontinakaro]

Rotated grid is actually crazy, wonder if it will also be ctrl+h/j able to

[@Savvkey]

change background dim on the pause menu?????

[@Trad0r]

fire update, can't wait for the next one!

[@volenvolen2990]

I'm not sure if Peppy was the one that did it but bringing Pishi on this channel was the best decision ever

[@warfu_]

These videos are amazing damn. I don't play osu! that much anymore and I don't have enough time to go back and catch up with all lazer has (I get overwhelmed easily), but I'm really really happy for the new things and tons of Quality Of Life updates new players will have ❤

[@EnderSackboy]

Lazer beatmap editor actually becoming usable? Ive been waiting for this day for so long.

[@cthuluzero8368]

Peppy is cooking rn

[@KoopstaKlicca]

the daily challenge will be pretty fun. Glad to see osu! introduced me another number to get addicted to!

[@vieetj731]

love these lazer videos!

[@vicity27]

Daily challenge seems really nice !

[@zonelouise]

thanks for the update!

[@truzko3091]

5:55 constant speed mod would be great in osu mania for the SVs, plsss

[@c_teo]

this is so good for new mappers that want to start mapping

[@NicNock]

as a person that proudly mains lazer, holy firetruck this update is enormous and the fact there's _even more_ coming, I'm particularly excited about "daily challenges" since I'll get to play new maps while also having more of reason to improve at the game because of the leaderboards (and iirc rewards?) in summary, w update, I am now even more hyped for lazer than I already was edit: hey what the hell is an ASS command? (7:15)

[@yetanotherlinuxuser3185]

Announcement Server iirc

[@NicNock]

thank you linux user

[@Moox_0]

Yay daily beatmaps is a great concept! It's fun how the idea came from a trackmania player. I hope we'll get to have it available for the other game modes too 😊

[@Nintendude61]

THANK YOU THANK YOU for the editor! Being able to properly hitsound in Lazer is HUGE, we are getting there!!

[@Lunaui]

THANK YOU FOR ALL THESE MAPPING CHANGES

[@hhuyenden]

Adding letters to the skin would be awesome, and speed control hotkeys too

[@synexiasaturnds727yearsago7]

holy shit the grid customization is SO GOOD

[@synexiasaturnds727yearsago7]

sliderend selection pls

[@bamboozled614]

I wish these videos had more personal stuff or at least if there was more videos that revolved a bit more about the fun stuff like the ending here, I would have loved to see peppy try the daily challenge fully

[@Ralph1213GD]

I don't play much of osu but adding a weekly beatmap challenge (just like weekly demons in gd) would be cool, also this update is probably big so kudos to everyone involved!

[@9enis]

dangereoooous jungle - laur reference in the intro

[@zuccy1017]

yesssssssssssssssssssssssss im so happy for the editor changes, AMD graphic drivers have recently been updated a few months ago and since ive found out that its got an issue that makes the osu!stable editor crash somewhere on the first settings when creating a map. the only way i have to solve this is downgrade my drivers, eventually handicapping all other games that benefit from graphic driver updates, or using the osu!lazer editor, which i was getting frustrated with cause of the many inconsistencies, the poor hitsound control, the the lack of tools, etc. but this will be a lot more manageable. thank you a lot for your compromise with the game.

[@FealtyOrangeJuice]

A tool for smooth slider velocity changes eventually would be INSANEly useful!!!

[@silvncr]

i'm really glad you make these videos, it really helps me feel like the devs care about the community enough to be transparent.

[@RelytFTW]

this is ALL I've been waiting for

[@ElijahDunay]

I really hope the map of the day will not be too much like trackmania's cup of the day. I think it should be any scores submitted on the selected map during the day count towards the leaderboard, and are collected at the end of the day, instead of a scheduled time slot. I also hope mods can be used, so that way lower skill level players can play and enjoy a map, while the higher skill players can apply DT or HR to get even better scores

[@Vento-ts7ry]

The editor updates are a saviour to the lazer editor. Perhabs the most important thing missing is the ability to upload a beatmap. I started doing a beatmap and to post it as a wip, I needed to intentionally install stable just to upload, which is a great downside.

[@DaVince21]

Nice work on the editor and progress in general. I actually finally started using the editor very recently as a relatively new Osu!Taiko player and those break moments was exactly something I was wondering about. I just checked out the new version and I do hope that you one day add the convenience of quickly putting down a Don or Ka by simply pressing the D or K key. Right-clicking and selecting "Rim" definitely slows down the workflow, especially since it also changes the mode from Hit back to Select.

[@DaVince21]

Oh, and it would be nice if we could set subdivisions or the amount of times to drum when a drum roll or swell appears! But I'm sure that must be on the backlog somewhere.

[@bobxonar8401]

I still wish I could create new difficulties at different speeds of a map (the way osu! trainer works) because having that other local leaderboard is important

[@randomness4989]

This looks so insane and super cool for standard mode,one thing i ll wish they add is a drop down menu on the sameplet for custom hitsounds,i know its not super important but it would make the workflow less manual and more on the automatic side,just a suggestion from me,nice work tho xd

[@Lefafel]

Lazer editor will remain irrelevant to mappers until it allows uploading maps, any editor change that doesn't directly contribute towards that feels like misdirected effort.

[@spaceman_atlas]

i mean yes obviously i know everyone wants submission support but also calling these changes "misdirected effort" seems funny if they take the editor from something "nobody wants to use" (just echoing what people have said) to being "very close to stable's", at least for osu! (again, just echoing others, and not yet talking about mania/taiko/catch those still need work for basic usability)

[@inhalecarbon9007]

You should add a feature where you can choose a certain skin to be applied to a certain mode, for example. project shikigami for osu mania, and another skin thats not project shikigami, on another mode, so you dont have to repeated keep switching between skins just to play a specific mode.

[@TFD500Official]

6:43 iirc, I Can Be Your Friend from VeggieTales also does this as well! it’s a really obscure map but it has a really fun SB to look at haha

[@retiredtravazapper2827]

I play lazer since last year and because i didn't used to play stable the lazer feels better to me, BUT sometimes i want to play some stable and i can't transfer my lazer songs to stable, just the other way around, idk if im dumb or i really just cant

[@sendycatthekiller6483]

Kudos to u/pritielvis for giving so much feedback and constructive criticism that made lazer so much better

[@BlastTheKidd]

omfg this is quite satisfying to see

[@ktoru2655]

Nothing better than coffee and an Osu!Lazer update at 3:00 AM

[@radiatamusic]

hmmm i wonder, will the daily challenge be a map that's available in multiple difficulties or a single difficulty of a specific map? as a person who only recently got back into playing OSU because at the time i stopped it was impossible to find anything that wasn't a pro-level-player map, it would be nice to be able to participate in that, and if it's a single difficulty they would either have to choose one that's ideal for the top end players, which locks people like me out, or one that will make the top level players not even care that the feature exists.

[@FluffSama]

This update is like everything i can think of that I could've asked for.

[@wesleylo103]

They got rid of the dot.

[@ashley_noveyplush]

I just love to see how dedicated the devs are, and how open source can make this game better

[@snowfall3034]

Finally the editor is usable!

[@nowaaru]

not being able to customize the hitsounds of sliderends was killing me i hope its fixed omg

[@geo-lite69]

will the beatmap of the day have all gamemodes? would be cool if you had one map for each mode, or rotate between the modes

[@tinyz7575]

This is awesome. If Depth ever gets rankability then Ill probably become a depth main as its easily my favorite mod next to barrel roll.

[@xenai.]

I love using the fun mods, definitely gonna try some traceable when I get on

[@Dicaso9]

5:15 thanks you scientist yesss

[@vinzy0]

Wait this new daily challenge is actually pretty interesting

[@ffc2632]

DAILY CHALLENGE!! COTD FOR OSU LETS GOOOOOOO

[@cheesewizvevo]

That grid mapping thing is inasane

[@Shavix]

5:54 Thank You peppy and the rest 🙏

[@nebuladevelopments]

these videos are great

[@breadles_]

the only thing keeping me away from lazer is lack of UI customization and builtin support for stream overlays so that i can add them to OBS as a browser source (i dont want anymore windows polluting my desktop environment)

[@squiddu]

wasn't some basic overlay stuff implemented already? I'm not 100% certain but I thought they added it a while ago, as rudimentary as it was

[@haruruhaha]

Niceee, that's what I like to see

[@logidash]

when nevo's songs compilation will be ranked

[@ButtonXD]

One thing that annoys me in the osu lazer mania editor is that you cannot zoom in/out of the track like in osu, so it is much more time consuming to map imo

[@Londonlolxd]

Lazer broke the hold bodys on many skins pls fix

[@YuutoGaming]

Yes, some love for mania! editor

[@nagi.desuuu]

Good thing you're coming back to your own game. 🎉

[@Janeru]

WE ARE SO BACK OMFG

[@IzzyIsntReal]

Theyve been regularly releasing updates for literal years now. Please stop with this uncreative comment.

[@notchhell]

​@@IzzyIsntReal 🤓

[@inv41id]

@@IzzyIsntReal L + ratio + no one asked + WE ARE SO BACK

[@iotku]

Don't stop me now fixed, officially playable

[@Akiorinn]

is there any video of how to make/changes in the Lazer for optimization for low pc? ik this ain't important to y'all but I need some guide cus Lazer client sometimes freeze and sometimes there's a glitched audio too for my pc.

[@ruubiii_osu]

it crazy how lazer's dev overviewed one of the most important changes which is the native resolution, I usually play with a squared 1280x1024 res and I cant do that in lazer

[@spaceman_atlas]

not sure what you mean by this, do you mean being able to choose resolution in windowed mode or something? in fullscreen resolution should already be freely selectable

[@squiddu]

​@@spaceman_atlasyou can, but it used to be that on my end it would crash if I changed resolutions in full screen. doesn't do that anymore but the way the process looks visually nowadays makes me think it still gets close to crashing

[@Fahad-21]

Taiko relax mod is something that I was really waiting for, but can we also have a setting on relax/ taiko mod that changes all the colors of the notes to same color? (Like black and white?) Like a monocolor mod? I would love that so much

[@AntiApple4life]

I already use Lazer bc there is no other Linux option. My one frustration is the hashed file system that I can't edit. I want to be able to swap out and even extract the audio from the filesystem, but I can't.

[@Stwinky]

I’m 🤏 close to maining lazer

[@csfnoodle]

god bless osu team ily

[@Fluiding]

DAILY CHALLEEEENGE