Lessons in Magecraft 40 - Thaumaturgical Systems

[@otakudaikun]

As always, go ahead and let me know what other topics you're interested in having covered in this series.

[@whitefox3189]

The Future of Magecraft. In EXTRA and CCC worlds Mystery is dead, to that end magi turned to Spiritron Hacking (it also confirms that spiritrons are photons and by extentention souls). Also certain Magecraft no matter how spread out seems to not wane, like Reinforcement, which almost every mage seems to know.

[@Drag0nk1ngmark]

I am curious about Druidism in the Nasuverse and how it might have evolved with modern times

[@brunooliveira-jx5uc]

Deamons an true deamons

[@smellyuncle]

I’m actually curious about Eastern Magecraft, a friend of mine talks about Cultivation but I know it’s inspired by Chinese Mythology, especially when how Taoism and Buddhists gain enlightenment I think.

[@kevinbarber2795]

I’d be really interested in how new mage families are established, in particular for people with no prior knowledge of magecraft. Waver’s family is only a few generations old, correct? So how did the first mage in his family discover he could perform magecraft and go about learning more to establish a new mage family? For a second idea, what happens to a mage family’s stuff when they die out? Is it ransacked or auctioned off? I admit I’m much more interested in the first one. A new family coming into being, deciding on a focus, etc, sounds really interesting to me.

[@ron2millionare972]

Prayer power? lol. I feel so sorry for what happened to Paracelsus. He kinda reminds me of Touma Kamijou from a Certain Magical Index. Because so many leaders and masterminds cannot understand why he helps people and thinks he has some kind of ulterior motive, but no, he just wants to help people.

[@nidohime6233]

Is like that saying "A thief thinks everyone else are thieves too".

[@darknessknows1235]

Well, the dude ain't all nice. He did curse a little girl to her death in the Proto fragments we knew of him

[@WildArtistsl]

​@@darknessknows1235 under his master orders

[@rogueascendant6611]

@@darknessknows1235 Paracelsus is pretty much a nice guy. He only did that from Prototype fragments due of having a bad master. In FGO, it was shown how he hated being ordered to do something that he didn't want in a bad way.

[@namoma4922]

Touma kinda has a darker side though. He will save people but he doesn't really care about the greater consequences of who he is saving. He would very much save a bad guy he fought a long time ago without necessarily requiring him to change

[@ZtraArts]

That's it, Gyro Zeppelin is a mage

[@WildArtistsl]

HE FUCKING IS

[@hydrasfang]

The different kinds of angel's, demon's, and maybe other magical entities like the Djinn or were-creatures/magic that allows one to take on a more bestial form. The other thing I was thinking of would be humans that managed to surpass their human limits and come up with inhuman creations and or techniques like Sasaki Kojiro incorporating the second magic into his ultimate technique as an example.

[@otakudaikun]

Transcending the limits of humanity. I like it.

[@adaoraumeh4513]

I’m seriously interested in what’s the deal with the Abrahamic God in Type-moon. Not even the mages are certain what he is and how he factors into the universe. They’ve found a way to explain his angels but not him. Is he Alaya or is he Akasha itself or is he completely separate from this entities? Just a complete unknown. Hopefully we get answers from the church in the sequel to the Tsukihime remake

[@nidohime6233]

@@adaoraumeh4513 Like religions in real world there is no a clear answer if there is a God in the world, or what it is and what role it has. We only have a an idea of what is Akasha from the Nasuverse because, as the audience, we know more than the characters of the story themselves.

[@connortobin7398]

Considering all the split timelines we’ve seen in the nasuverse, i am curious as to what the modern world would have looked like if hohenhiem had been able to release his research and philosopher stones to the public.

[@SiegfriedFafnirsbane]

Lostbelt.

[@connortobin7398]

@@SiegfriedFafnirsbane maybe, but just because everyone has access to magecraft, doesn’t mean the world would stagnate. Heck I’d say it may lead to something of a second Industrial Revolution

[@SiegfriedFafnirsbane]

@@connortobin7398 Uhh No.Just look at mages from the modern era.Ancestors of these mages where just humans who stumbled upon the supernatural.Infact Mages from the Age of Gods were much more civilised than the depraved magus population of the present era who'd willing slaughter innocents if it meant furthering their craft.AOG magi that have lived upto modern era like Brishian and Zelretch who were disciples of Solomon literally Saved the world.The former by warning the Magus Association to not mess with ORT and the latter by defeating the Crimson Moon. If modern humans had access to magecraft it would lead to total Chaos.Millitary Might and Terrorist activity would be escalated to new levels.Imagine Isis getting access to Divine Curses of Ancient times , summoning Jinns or making contracts with the Shaitan like the Hassan i Sabbah. Not to mention even if the stabilization of Thaumaturgical Foundations somehow prevented magecraft from being weakened to the point of redundancy ,there'd be a whole slew of problems.The major problem would be Christianity literally leading a world wide witch hunt against the Mages association which the Holy Church would gladly help with. Dead Apostles Ancestors would take advantage of the Chaos to wipe out the holy church further worsening the conditions. Wandering sea wouldn't give 2 fucks about what's happening and Atlas might try to remedy the situation. Hell the counter Force getting deployed in such a situation is highly likely.

[@rogueascendant6611]

@sadi muntakim I still don't understand the concept of Lostbelt. The Pan-human History is not even perfect and there already a lot of future timeline in which humanity ended destroying the planet and stagnating themselves to extinction.

[@jkosch]

Last time I was so early Thaumaturgical Foundations were more likely to be dictated by the culture you grew up in than they are now. Last time I was so early people analyzing systems as much as Dai and Lord El Melloi II were shunned for diluting Mystery. Last time I was so early it was so early that the foundations were simply connected to the gods who you connected to (AoG stuff).

[@Vitor-ph6np]

So everyone was a Warlock, then became Sorcerers attempting to become Wizards. Just D&D things.

[@ReigoShirofficial]

Hope Dai would cover “Mystery” in the Nasuverse. It’s interesting how it influences mage craft.

[@tyleromega9976]

I feel like once we have enough information, it would be great to have a "Lessons In Magecraft" episode dedicated to either Alien World itself (counting the Lostbelts in that episodes) or about the Ordeal Calls and their relations to the Human Order.

[@otakudaikun]

Ordeal Calls?

[@tyleromega9976]

@@otakudaikun yeah, it's been stated by the Chaldean (that Romani look-alike) at the end of LB7 that there are four distorted regions called Ordeal Calls (then suspiciously correcting himself to say only three are present) and that completing them will unvail the truth about the Celestial Sphere CHALDEAS. All of this because Novum Chaldea apparently abused Extra-class Servants of the Ruler, Avenger and Alter Ego classes, things outside of the Human Order's normal 7 classes.

[@otakudaikun]

@@tyleromega9976 Ah, I'm afraid LB7 is a bit ahead of me but I'll keep it in mind.

[@tyleromega9976]

@@otakudaikun oh damn, sorry if I spoiled you any info, I'm really sorry about that! And yeah, the info that were added as of Lostbelt 7 were invaluable and will be really important in future videos I feel.

[@otakudaikun]

@@tyleromega9976 I'm not afraid of spoilers. Its part of the job considering I do cover this stuff with some degree of knowledge.

[@TheCubecrafer]

It's all connected he mentioned Hohenheim a fullmetal alchemist character in a fate video

[@izzymosley1970]

I wonder if a mage could make their own personal thaumaturgical system based off of their own personal understanding of magecraft like if they were a self-taught mage.

[@otakudaikun]

Maybe if they had a massive cult.

[@chaostomb]

@@otakudaikun Or were freaks of nature like Flat.

[@Skywolfhd20]

@@otakudaikun scientology based magecraft

[@otakudaikun]

@@Skywolfhd20 If you give it enough time and delusion perhaps.

[@otakudaikun]

@sadi muntakim It's not quite the same. It's his own personal world only he can use. A thaumaturgical system would be the foundation for many mages to make use of.

[@madambutterfly1997]

Speaking of which when is Helen of Troy getting the servant treatment for fgo just so she can bitch and moan about how everyone blames her for the Trojan War when her only crime was getting pierced by Eros' love arrow. I would definitely like to see an interaction between her, Castor and Pollux since they're siblings

[@maggintons]

I wish I knew how to play World Of Darkness games, because it would be so easy to make a Fate TTRPG based on that rule system.

[@Gerald-Slayers]

Memes aside you should do a lesson on everything about The Moon, not even gigguk wants to explain that.

[@otakudaikun]

I mean... there's brunestud and the moon cell. I've covered as much as I can on both of those in this series.

[@michaeldaniels642]

Baeber: You be quiet about the moon!

[@julianrobertson1869]

The main issue with trying to go into more detail about the moon, and likely why garnt will not, is that there isn't much to cover. Anything beyond what Dai kun already has would be hypothetical and speculation and we go to Matpat for those but I doubt film/game theory will touch it, it's not exactly a light series and any twist he could add is already canon

[@nidohime6233]

@@julianrobertson1869 I don't even know if Matt Patt have ever heard of the Nasuverse, or maybe he knows how much of a rabbit hole it is, and since otaku fans can be very critical about the anime they like he might don't want to touch that subject yet.

[@julianrobertson1869]

@@nidohime6233 yeah after his experience to the persona and Kirby fandoms that's probably not far off.

[@stevepitt-ash4628]

Another great lesson professor dai. it's alway nice to learn new things about one of my favourite series. Keep up the great work

[@axelnetzahualcoyotl5223]

That was another great lesson.

[@ReigoShirofficial]

3:38 my ear flapped and had to rewind this 😆

[@Itachi45481]

Wow really liking the concepts or techniques used for Thaumaturgical Systems

[@blacklynx1664]

In my personal experience, the deeper a scientist goes into their field, the more "there’s something involved in the making and explaining of this" they are. I learned a bit of runes, and am learning sanskrit and Japanese. When I watched what my friend and her superiors are writing for their papers and experiments and theories in their physics laboratory, I rewrote a part of a runic text I practiced on from a couple years back and slapped some Japanese idioms and phrases from Buddhist text I am reading for Sanskrit. She answered with: "My boss says it tracks they are similar". So, maybe some really deep in quantum physics scientist could become a mage by pure coincidence? That'd be fun 😂

[@izzymosley1970]

There's this story I thought of that could take place in the nasuverse to highlight the unfairness of the nasuverse's magic system let's say you have a character who was born into a mage family but has no potential to use magecraft but instead of despairing like that person who abused Sakura they try to make technology powerful enough to rival magecraft and the entire story could be about their self-imposed struggle to do what seems to be an impossible task going to extremes to try and find knowledge and resources even if it gives them a small chance to accomplish their impossible dream like a modern-day Sisyphus Doomed to struggle to try and achieve an impossible goal yet to never giving up.

[@adaoraumeh4513]

I would love to see a timeline where Shinji channels his despair/pettiness into finding a way to challenge magecraft. He’s technically a Polymath according to canon so he can definitely try

[@izzymosley1970]

@@adaoraumeh4513 yeah that would be really cool and it's the main reason why I don't hate shinji I'm just disappointed in him because cuz of what he could have been.

[@adaoraumeh4513]

@@izzymosley1970 considering how he’s been treated with more seriousness/nuance in the latest fate projects; I think Nasu realized he fumbled the bag with Shinji. Hopefully this means Nasu wants to do more with him in the future. I’m still waiting for that Shinji route in the Fate remake as well as a Shinji Pseudo in FGO

[@izzymosley1970]

@@adaoraumeh4513 yeah since fate has multiple timelines you can always explore the potential of a character or put fun alternate spins on them.

[@weebsgowoobycrap8742]

Finally a new one

[@Jasons_Argo]

I’d love to hear a topic on sealing designations although I wonder if there is enough info to make a full lesson on it.

[@madambutterfly1997]

One does not simply become a great mage and stay a good person. Then we have those fucking cake eaters like Rin Tohsaka. She tries to straddle the line rather than just fully committing to one or the other. And then we have Shirou who is basically still a good person and is it entirely a shit mage. Had Kiritsugu given him all the tools...who knows... I mean Prisma illya already gave us a glimpse... God I love Multiverse Theory in the Nasuverse. The what-ifs basically answer themselves

[@izzymosley1970]

An interesting story I thought of for the nasuverse is a story about someone who tries to match magecraft with technology to make up for their lack of magical potential researching everything they possibly can to try and achieve the impossible struggling with all their might to achieve the impossible like a modern-day Sisyphus I think it could make for a very interesting story and could highlight the inherent unfairness in the nasuverse's magic system.

[@LuigiTheMetal64]

I would love to see you talk about anime that use animations that ignore even the Japanese syllable mouth flaps. Happiness Charge Pretty Cure is one of them. Sony dubbed Tomo chan ha Onnanoko, and anime fans are mad, especially when there are people saying "Carol saying 'dumbbell' instead of 'stupid' matches her character."

[@nidohime6233]

Did Sony really renamed a character as "Onnanoko" in a dub? Isn't that like calling a character "Mr. Travesti"?

[@otakudaikun]

I though dumbbell was random and cringe, but it doesn't seem like the worst thing in the world.

[@LuigiTheMetal64]

@@otakudaikun ADV are bad, at least they have Tomo from Azumanga Daiou say "stupid" since that is what "baka" translates to.

[@neosragnar2774]

Rin: Kirei! you perform magecraft and therefore are a FAKE PRIEST! HA SUCK IT! Kirei: Magecraft? no no Rin *grin smugly* I use sacraments of the Holy Church not heresy. Rin: But but... it still uses mana as it foundation so it has to be- Kirei: Mana? no no I use PP far superior to your MP using ye ye ass Thats right people Kirei is a Big PP user

[@michaeldaniels642]

If belief can make up for the lack of mystery would it be possible for a mage to use a belief in science to create a type of magecraft that works by replicating science ie creating fire through using mana to replicate the scientific reactions that create fire

[@crocidile90]

I mean, science is being abused to the point of being a religion (especially if you look at the shenanigans with the speed of light being made into a constant) so it could make an interesting system.

[@otakudaikun]

In a sense, belief IS mystery. People don't believe in the supernatural as much because of scientific advancements. For science itself to be Magecraft, you'd need people believing it without question, which is ironically unscientific.

[@nidohime6233]

@@otakudaikun True, even more when people still distrust science and would rather to listen conspiration theories and fraudulent practices because they found it more appealing.

[@insanemakaioshin]

Given that Heliocentrism is also wrong, it would be impossible for him to become 1 with the universe. The solar system, however, is probable.

[@moisesfavela2189]

Hey I was wondering if you could do a lore video on Jujutsu Kaisen. I always found its information background and unorthodox power system interesting.

[@otakudaikun]

I don't watch many shounen anime I'm afraid.

[@nidohime6233]

Do some mages spread beliefs like religion or astrology so they can gather more magical power for their thaumaturgy?

[@otakudaikun]

Not that Ive heard of.

[@nidohime6233]

@@otakudaikun It would be overkill, isn't?

[@otakudaikun]

@@nidohime6233 It would be silly imo

[@HelenaSan425]

Ciel is best girl

[@l_3216]

You sound like Whis