Our Biggest RV Upgrade -- We Should Have Saved Our Money!

In this video we talk about the best RV upgrade we have done to our motorhome. It has been 6 months since we upgraded our motorhome suspension to LiquidSpring. We will talk about what we like, what we don't like and how we could have saved thousands of dollars.
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[@EndlessRVing]

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[@ronmcdaniel1583]

Absolutely a great extra safety item for your class A gas coach. THANKS to all Nurses, Firefighters, Police, Doctors and Men and Women in the Service PROTECTING our COUNTRY SAFE TRAVELS!!

[@EndlessRVing]

Well said! Thank you Ron. :)

[@samgonzalez6859]

We could never get sick of anything you share. Y'all ROCK!!

[@karenkerr3768]

Great video and glad you talked about the added weight to your rig. Important to keep that weight in mind if and when we’re able to upgrade our suspension. Thanks for the info!

[@pmraul2921]

Thank you for your posts. We continue to learn and grow from your information.

[@strings1955]

As the Lovely Bride and I are on the cusp of full retirement and looking at a second Class A (first was 2008 Forest River 36ft 4 slide), we've gone back and forth on gas vs diesel and looking at Liquid Springs. Our experience with our first gasser made me want to upgrade to a pusher to avoid all the handling problems of gas units. Your video gives me more confirmation that LS is the way to go, drawbacks and all. I'm looking at it as a way to get the diesel-level ride and driveability without breaking the bank. Thanks for the video.

[@rollingeezer]

We have a diesel pusher with a great suspension. If we had a gas powered coach I would definitely have Liquid Spring installed. One thing I think you need to clarify is your comment about speed. Tires have speed ratings. Most are around 75mph but a few may be higher. Manufacturers do not recommend you travel consistently at or above the speed rating. They recommend traveling below the speed rating.

[@rfleming7883]

Awesome review! Thanks for including it all.

[@EndlessRVing]

You bet!

[@mrslcbrock]

Your videos are great, don't listen to the haters. We bought a diesel pusher and still had to add the Safety Plus. The SP certainly improved our ride/drive. We were caught in those bad winds on I70 in March and it kept us on the road until we could find a place to stop. Everything else has been a learning experience on the suspension of the Freightliner chassis. We just learned, after having this coach for almost nine months, that we could dump the air to get the coach lower. It's all fun though trying to figure this stuff out.

[@martykong3592]

THanks and great information, just out of budget for most of us... Glad it works so well for you, and maybe one day.... All the BEST to both of you! Cheers :)

[@DavidHBurkart]

...a game changer indeed. It won't be long until these are offered as either factory options or standard on the higher end gas coaches.

[@bruceayers2204]

Thank you for the great unbiased review. So glad you mentioned the additional weight of the product, we will not be able to use it due to losing that much on the towing capacity of our 3403 BayStar on the 26,000 lb rated chassis. You both look happy and healthy, glad to see MJ doing much better. Take care, and if you ever come thru central NC, you can stay over w us, we live waterfront on High Rock Lake.

[@tuomasholo]

This has been very informative.

[@craigandlisao9736]

We’re in red bay Alabama right now. Our open road 2019 36 LA Gas motorhome is at Belmont Diesel getting liquid springs in back and the new great shocks in front. It should be ready Thursday …… soooo excited. 🎉

[@petitchenil]

Nice video. I upgraded from a 1996 P32 14K chassis on a 30' rig to a 2013 F53 24K chassis on a 33' rig. It came with a rear track rod and a huge extra sway bar. Love the ride, no sway from big rigs, great in the mountains. It would take a lot for me to shell out for LS upgrade. I don't need it to drive like a sports car.

[@pgithens1]

This is good stuff. I feel that we got extremely lucky with our 2019 gas coach. I find it a complete pleasure to drive right out of the box. We’ve done no suspension upgrades and, IMO, it drives very nicely. But we are coming out of a 2007 Sprinter based class C that rocked and rolled like crazy and got pushed around by everything. Maybe this just seems better but it is much more comfortable to me. That said, if that ever changes I’ll look at Liquid Spring first.

[@WheelTek86]

Scheduled next month for the fronts to be installed; had the rears done in the spring and Wow! It was so smooth.

[@EndlessRVing]

Enjoy!

[@keithhull3265]

Thanks to many videos, i am getting mine this month. Hip Hip Horay. Can't wait. Thanks guys, i enjoy all you you tube channel.

[@EndlessRVing]

That’s awesome you will be amazed

[@frankforbes202]

I just had LS installed because of you guys. I had a great conversation with Wayne about you two and some laughs. The drive home from LaFayette was amazing compared to the trip up even in a rain storm with wind I’m doing 60 drinking a latte and listening to 70’s disco and driving with one hand what fun. I hope you all came through the bad weather and flash floods ok. I understand New Jersey took a hit let your viewers know how your doing. Happy trails Frank Forbes

[@EndlessRVing]

Hey Frank we are ok through the storm. We live at elevation and flooding was not an issue for us but many did lose a lot. Glad your experience with LS is what ours was. One has to drive it to understand the level of engineering and Improvment the system brings to a coach. Once you drive it your sold. Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@andyfashant4677]

Our Tiffin was alongside yours at the factory retrofit and you are definitely right on target with your grading of the suspension. Save your money with the other retrofits and add-ons folks, best advice I have heard and it came from Izzy, my brother behind the badge. If you can afford it, start with the Liquid Springs first. It truly is a gas game changer.

[@EndlessRVing]

Yes we remember your coach. We always tell people test drive a demo vehicle and then make your decision from there. Glad you are still enjoying the upgrade

[@frankaiello5391]

I agree with you Liquid Springs is awesome, I have the rear on our Class B+ Phoenix Cruiser 2552 and would be without it. It was supplied from the Phoenix RV factory.

[@SaltyVetAdventures]

We owned a F53 chassis a few years ago and that thing was horrible to drive! Glad you are happy with Liquid Spring!

[@EndlessRVing]

So happy with it! :)

[@joanmcerlean7158]

“Im just throwing it out there”, ala Schitts Creek: great video. I get why you support Liquid Spring and I expect this video might help those who are “suspicious” about your endorsement. This gives a great pro/con understanding. I will be buying a class C plus in the next year and I wish more manufacturers offered it as a factory-installed option. I

[@EndlessRVing]

We are ALWAYS honest in what we say. And we love Schitt's Creek! lol

[@rockeyoliver7254]

Liquid Spring rocks! Loved this video review. I’m in total agreement with one addition... Regarding the steps... It’s been a huge benefit for many with limited mobility (Phyical Disability) for entering/exiting their coaches. My coach has been held back (delayed) from delivery due to the shortages. As I’ve shared, I’m having 4 corner LS installed for all the same reasons here, but the ability to assist me in my physical limitation for easier access to my coach. I definitely agree that LS needs to add a Bluetooth app for their systems. MJ Izzy... When I get my rig and LS install completed, I’ll video my setup, how it beneficial for me, and send it to y’all. thank you for this review...! ❤️✊🏻🏆🍀👍🏻 Blessings to y’all! Rockey

[@EndlessRVing]

You won’t regret the install.

[@anotherjoe5675]

I'm a newbie to your channel and not familiar with your coach... I got to the point where you started talking about leaf springs before I realized what type of chassis you were talking about... I can appreciate the "can't go back" thing... Have owned a new Class C, a conventional gas-powered Class A and currently a 38 ft diesel pusher on a Freightliner chassis... Absolutely love the ability of our coach to "self-level" and drop down to a very low height when parked... Also, the "bus" type ride and handling... Not sure I would go to the trouble and expense of the upgrade if I were in your situation... Best to you!...

[@michaelwaller6093]

I appreciate what you are saying, but truth of the matter is just get a DP. Call it “”lessons learned” as we had. 2019 Tiffin Open Road and we did the normal total suspension upgrade: dual Koni FSD shocks all around, rear trac bar, new front sway bar, added additional rear sway bar in the rear, saf-T-steer, etc. At that time, Henderson’s line up was doing liquid springs for around $15K. We finally got fed up with the ride, on long trips and rougher roads and bought a DP, which IMO, is the right way to go if you can eat the loss to get into a DP. This is a personal preference, and I think you make a good presentation here with pros and cons and really give viewers things to consider.

[@ernie7065]

My 2001 Monaco 40ft diesel pusher has 8 airbags and 135,000 miles. Consider a used diesel imho. My first rv was a gas model. Huge difference.

[@carlredmond3642]

Great video...very informative!!

[@EndlessRVing]

Glad you enjoyed. :)

[@merolfsen]

Don't worry...I say "gonna" too much too. Thanks for this video. I'm buying a Thor Outback and want to learn about improving suspension/drive.

[@alvk6955]

Having it installed on our Canyon Star in a week. Thanks for the warning about the issue with the 3 step entry. I wondered if that might be a concern and will ask them when we drop it off in Lafayette. Thanks for the update, both pros and cons.

[@EndlessRVing]

You will LOVE it - excited for you to drive it. Such a difference!

[@love2drop289]

I’d love to upgrade to the Liquid Spring. However, since we recently bought our Fleetwood Fortis (2021) we need to wait a little while for another big purchase. Love the reviews!

[@nightfall22]

Great info

[@keithmatthews7823]

hey guys thanks for the info. I have a safety plus in the front of my rv. I have a diesel pusher. so I can definitely tell the difference. you guys always put out a great Videos. thanks k matthews

[@EndlessRVing]

Thanks Keith!

[@brettjackson5527]

Great video guy’s, You answered my question which was out of all the upgrades you have done over the past few years could you have saved money and just done the Liquid Springs.

[@crwarman]

Got scared when I saw the title of this video because our 2021 Georgetown 31L5 unit is currently having the 4-corner Liquid Spring system installed! In fact we should get it back in about a week. We decided to do the install based on your endorsement, and yes we used your discount code (thank you for that, by the way). So naturally the title of this video immediately caught my attention, and I'm thrilled to see that you're still happy with it.

[@EndlessRVing]

You will LOVE it! Best of luck.

[@brucemontgomery8136]

ty well done

[@williambradley2562]

Great Video & Info on Liquid Spring Upgrade … So much info about the Product and Definitely a Option to consider for Any Class A #EndlessRVRocks

[@ricksidor9601]

I had a Tiffin 2019 gasser and considered Liquid Springs. By the time I would pay for the upgrade I'd be at the entry level DP price point. We ended up selling the gasser and purchased a DP. I'm sure it's a great upgrade but in my opinion the benefits of a DP outweigh the gasser. One final point you make is driving faster. I feared braking in my gasser. I think it makes more sense to have Liquid Springs an option at the manufacturer level where pricing could be more aggressive.

[@dustoff1472]

I would love to have it but just can’t afford it. Enjoying the channel. Tks for sharing.

[@billjaeger4839]

I am so glad you made this video. Very insightful points you made! I Especially wondered if it was more or less weight so I am glad you told us about the extra weight. definitely My 2019 Thor Challenger 35MQ, F-53 chassis, drives like a dream, says the guy who did the leveling and alignment on it and I have to agree but would love just a little more lean stability on turns and passing trucks. but it is way better than any other RV I have driven and I am comfortable driving this RV. I would love to get Liquid spring anyway but I do not want to add any more weight. I know you are asking yourself, why did it need an alignment already. It was leaning to the right from the factory, and when it is shimmed to level it, it needs to be aligned.

[@dennismorrill5568]

Hey guys thanks for another clip,hope to see you at Hershey

[@EndlessRVing]

Awesome thanks!

[@johnstanczak3378]

Thank you for your opinion about these upgrades... I wish I had the money for a Tiffin 45OPP and it wouldn't be a problem... instead of our 2013 Winn Vista 30T with Sumo's, front and rear sway bars, Steering Stabilizer, and Trac Bar...

[@fanaticexpert7916]

I purchased a 2021 Fleetwood Bounder 36F. We took delivery about 3 months ago and have driven ~3,000 miles so far. It drives great. I dont feel any trucks going passed me or cross winds. Ford must have really upgraded the F53 chassis because it drives fine. I only added a safe t plus but honestly, it made no difference. My only complaint is the noise going up hill.

[@brucebjornson9135]

It is great I love it

[@EndlessRVing]

Awesome Bruce!

[@user-wr2kp3qj8u]

I can not see this video on "Our Biggest RV Upgrade--... Where did it go?

[@FadeToBlackLLC]

First time I drove our old gas RV it was terrible. I did some mods but finally got to the point where I needed to decide.. Keep spending money for an ok ride or sell. I sold and went diesel. For other reasons as well but the ride was a major factor. I'd like to know what you can get for the RV after such an expensive purchase in parts.

[@rrrrkoop2776]

I have a jayco seneca on the freightliner chassis. here's my question, when we come out of a driveway with a drop to the street and turn so the back tires hit it only one at a time. it jerks the coach and will dump out of cupboards if you are not super careful. does LS help with this. Oh and i love the little funny clips you added to your vids.

[@oldmanw6339]

My Ford F53 RV is on a 22,000 pound chassis. In your demo drives, I think they said those units were on a 26,000 lb chassis. Your comment about the extra weight for the system, curious if your coach is also a 22,000 lb or perhaps a 24,000 chassis?

[@charlesapperson5859]

Thanks for the update. I've been wondering how the long term results would be for you. I plan to do this upgrade in the near future and have already been in contact with Wayne Wells and mentioned your channel and he did offer the discount. Thanks for all of the wonderful information. Love your channel.

[@EndlessRVing]

Test drive one of there demo units and you will be sold. Thanks for watching and the comment.

[@sherriweber7105]

Thank you so much Izzy and MJ for giving the pros and cons about Liquid Springs. They should offer the Liquid Springs from the dealer ships or the Rv manufacturers. Maybe someday they will do it. Thank you fir this video. And I hope you have a great weekend even though this is 911 anniversary. It’s so sad. But see you both soon! Stay safe!

[@EndlessRVing]

Hi Sherri. LS is offered as an option on Fleetwood, Holiday Rambler and Tiffin products. Thanks for watching and have a nice weekend

[@sherriweber7105]

@@EndlessRVing Oh ok! Good! Glad they do offer it in those Rvs then. That helps. Thank you for answering my question. Have a great day.

[@michaelshaffer1624]

Did you ever look at or test drive the Keldermann system? It turns an F53 into more of an air suspension system and is half the price of the liquid spring system. I'm sure it is not the same level of improvement as liquid springs, but it would be a huge upgrade over the stock suspension and may be good enough with a lot of money left in your pocket.

[@MSStudioPix]

What is your experience with the Keldermann system?

[@debraweis7324]

When storing, if you lowered it down, it might prevent catalytic convertor theft!!!! That could be a great security feature!!!!!

[@VTfirefly911]

We have liquid springs on our ambulances & I like it. I'd be curious how it changes the feel on an RV.

[@jeffreym7669]

Would love to see a back to back ride comparison with your rig and a comparable sized diesel pusher. From a ride and handling perspective, is it about the same?

[@richardlewis2290]

We have a 2015 Jayco and it has many of the normal suspension upgrades. It is very stressful to drive. The liquid spring system runs over $20,000 for a 4 corner system. This is not a practical upgrade for anything but a new RV.

[@EndlessRVing]

Would it be cheaper to upgrade your suspension or upgrade your Motorhome?

[@richardlewis2290]

@@EndlessRVing We, like you, have previously spent $7000 in suspension upgrades on our 2015 Jayco Precept 35UP including Koni Shocks, track bar, sway bar and Safe-T-Plus among other things. They made the motorhome slightly more drivable for short distances. These front engine gas coaches of over 35 feet are extremely dangerous to drive. I am a former race car driver and can tell you that these handle very much like an undrivable race car that has broken shocks and spring rate problems. I was hit by a dust devil in the desert last month on the way to Borrego Springs, CA. The front end went one direction and the back end the other. It felt like I went up on 2 wheels for a moment and that happened a second time a week later on a road under construction that went off camber. I'm thinking that a class action lawsuit would be a good idea for the owners of all these F-53 chassis motorhomes, for starters and I'm sure we can find a number of people who have had accidents. Our RV days are coming to a close over this experience. We feel like we have been taken advantage of by the selling dealer, by Jayco and then again by the dealer who installed all these upgrades to "solve" the problems but at best offered only an incremental improvement. We regret that we did not get a diesel pusher but that ship has sailed.

[@TomSpurlock]

I had the handling issue with my 2017 F53 too. I immediately upgraded the sway bars with RoadMaster HD sway bars, FRONT AND REAR, $2200. With a front end alignment all my handling problems went away. It tracks very straight, and trucks don't effect the coach nearly as much. However, it still "rides" the same over bumps and road potholes, etc. It's a spring system, so it still has the annoying rough ride that spring systems deliver. The primary issue I have (not counting the $20K price tag) is the repair support while I'm on the road. What if the suspension computer fails? What happens if I spring a hydraulic hose leak? Who's going to be able to repair it in the West? No RV dealer mechanics will be trained on this new technology (I would assume). How many authorized repair locations are there? Will I need Coach Net to get unlimited tow distance to a "qualified repair facility", which could be a thousand miles away? Since you're a spokesperson for Liquid Spring, please address this issue about repair support in all states.

[@EndlessRVing]

Your questions are best answered by contacting LS directly.

[@WheelTek86]

These are not typical springs; the use a compressed liquid that adjusts in fractions of a second. It rides like an air ride over bumps. Definitely smoother ride and less noise from the coach bouncing around.

[@mikefitzpatrick5209]

Great video because I was thinking about spending the money to get LS but now I will not consider a gasser without it. Thank you

[@EndlessRVing]

No problem!

[@Don-wo8zk]

Safe T Plus, fixed everything you talked about. Had it installed at the factory in Georgia. $650.00. Best investment on my class A

[@EndlessRVing]

We have one also.

[@auroranite]

Good sharing of trial and error. Izzy you coulda shouda given price even if “we already did that in another video.” I’ll share, its in the 24k range.

[@LTRegulate]

We are getting ours installed in July of 22!

[@EndlessRVing]

Woohoo!!

[@BronxPops]

Nice to hear you're a Billy Joel fan MJ!!!

[@wanderingrv7093]

Here's an idea, change your channel name to "Endless Pimping" lol had to say it.

[@johneskrich362]

If you didn't pimp Liquid Springs at least once an episode, I'd have to double check to see if I was watching that fun couple, with the funny accents who I so enjoy to watch each week. LOL

[@razmtaz1987]

The negatives are like saying in a job interview that your worst trait is "you care too much. You work TOO hard." lmao xD

[@garyblankenship4150]

Like the info. Have a 21 Tiffin and have contacted Wayne to schedule. Unfortunately the special you mentioned is no longer honored so you may want to take that part Down. Watch and enjoy your informative videos. Followed you through all your suspension upgrades. I did them also and was still unhappy with ride. Hopefully this will be my last

[@EndlessRVing]

We did update people on a previous video that the discount was ending at the 2022 Tampa show.

[@davidhutchins2711]

Got our Liquid Springs on order for our 2021 Bay Star 3626 . . .

[@EndlessRVing]

You will love them

[@timothyberlinski2299]

I have these on my super c don't think dealer took that into consideration buying my used coach. Now i need to see if there is a way to make my steering faster and more responsive i dont like the way it steers

[@scottems3853]

As I’ve mentioned to you before I’m scheduled for installation on 9/20. My concern now, after your video, is the front tire clearance. Not terribly concerned but I want to make sure I don’t creat a problem for myself. Thanks for the video. BYW Pimping a great product is fine. Lol

[@EndlessRVing]

You just need to make sure you are at normal ride height when moving the coach. No different than if you were in a DP. The ride is well worth it

[@richardberger326]

Great video guys! We don’t have LS but we did all the upgrades available and were very happy. What’s confusing ..... you said prior to LS you did all the upgrades and still got pushed around, fatigue, etc. we don’t experience any of that with our upgrades. Do you have the f53 chassis 26K? Thanks

[@EndlessRVing]

We still did get pushed even though it was improved over stock. LS has virtually eliminated that. It’s a completely different suspension system

[@lindaballard6387]

Others have said that the added weight is only 300-350 pounds after you subtract the weight of the removed suspension parts.

[@nicholaslandolina]

Yup

[@ronaldclary3375]

I drove commercial vehicles for over 25 years and have over 2.5 million miles behind the wheel. I have driven some pretty “rugged” equipment during that time but my first motor home was an ‘04 Coachman on a F-53 chassis I told my wife when I brought it home from the dealership “If I had the car trailer behind me, I would have turned it upside down in the interstate “. Could not believe how bad it drove! From your comments, the 2019’s are not much better. I now have a DP with air ride and it is all the difference in the world. RV is supposed to be to relax, not to fight your way down the road.

[@kristinerickert1820]

Thank you, will make sure Liquid Springs is part of our purchasing decision. Question, Does or matter the year of your coach? #2. I believe Newmarket has an upgrade suspension or swaying, do you need to do this if you are getting LS?

[@EndlessRVing]

As long as it’s f53 chassis. #2 Ford did upgrades their chassis in the 2021 but they are still not at the level of LS

[@joemissyoneil8668]

Hi Izzy & MJ - I watched the three videos on your review of the Liquid Spring solution in Tampa, the install of the 4 corner system on your 2019 Newmar Bay Star and your 6 month follow up review. Your videos on the Liquid Spring 4-corner solution has sparked an interest. We have a 2018 Thor Challenger 37FH, a 38 foot Class A motorhome on the 24K Ford F53 chassis with about 39K miles. We bought our coach with 250 miles from the dealer. We have not done any suspension upgrades and was surfing the KZbin channels to see what other have done to improve the ride and handling for the F53 chassis. I was getting ready to price out the same items that you had until I cam across your review on the Liquid Spring solution. A couple of questions that you may be able to give us your opinion and observation. * Does the Liquid Spring solution address rear tracking issues? We tow a 2019 Chevy Traverse 4 wheel down and feel a lot of tail wag. * You left on the front upgraded Sway Bar and your Safety Plus steering stabilizer. We are looking at the safety plus too but wanted to get your opinion on if the upgraded sway bar would be need in the 4 corner Liquid Spring system was added first? * how well does the Liquid Spring solution handle the highway surfaces that are being patched and repaired/pot holes. we just finished a 5200 mile trip to Washington DC, then back to Glacier National Park returning home back in Cincinnati, OH. Some of the roads beat us to death. Love your channel and your honest feed back on place to see and upgrades to your coach. Your opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Joe & Missy O' Cincinnati, Ohio

[@EndlessRVing]

Thanks for watching our videos. The best recommendation would be to contact Wayne Wells from liquid spring tell him we sent you and set up a free test drive in a demo vehicle. That is the best way you can see what the system does and if it will address your needs.

[@joemissyoneil8668]

We have sent Wayne an e-mail and he has responded to set us up with a test drive.

[@frankpagano9987]

Where did you have your liquid spring install done. How much did the front and back cost?

[@EndlessRVing]

Installed in Indiana. Contact LS for pricing

[@pmojodomino]

I have a 2023 class A that is pretty unsafe to drive. I can’t keep it in the lane. I have to always supervise the steering wheel and still drift all over the road. I too spent 6k on suspension additions including a steering stabilizer. Nothing helps. Will the LS 4 point install help with this or primarily just for ride comfort? Thank you.

[@EndlessRVing]

Yes LS is a completely different suspension setup. I would suggest you test drive a demo unit and then you can determine if you like it Contact Wayne Wells [phone]

[@geraldfinafrock9808]

I have wanted it for a while, so how much is it?

[@jimestell3853]

Wish you had shown this video before the bash so we could have talked about it. :) Guess I'm a little confused about the lowering and the steps hitting the ground.....when you lower it do you HAVE to lower it the FULL distance and that makes the step too low? Or can you lower it ANY distance in the 3" range and thus not get the step too low? We were suppose to go to LS last week before they took the demo coach to Hershey but had to cancel but suppose to go test drive after they get back from Hershey

[@EndlessRVing]

Hi Jim. There are different increments when lowering and raising the coach. It’s better to see it in person.

[@rd1860]

Can you describe the difference in the driving experience from when you first drove the rig to when you did your initial upgrades? Not everyone can afford the $24K+ for the LS on a gas coach, but it would be nice to know if the Sumo Springs, sway bars, Koni shocks, Safe-T-Plus made it better and by what degree. A detailed response would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

[@EndlessRVing]

Set up a test drive on a demo vehicle and you can judge for yourself. We did all the upgrades which helped. LS is a another level

[@thomastheys6681]

Just wondering if the liquid spring system voids or affects the Freightliner chassis warranty????? My son-in-law with a Baystar also has been spending a lot of money trying to improve the handling characteristics probably the same exact stuff that you did to your coach. I sent him your video I hope he watches it. Thomyt

[@EndlessRVing]

Contact Freightliner to get that information.

[@RickandDarcirvadventures]

Our class c feels like that and we just put heavy duty sway bars on the font and back and a steering stabilizer. Was liquid springs available when you first did your upgrade?

[@EndlessRVing]

Just the rear was available not the 4 corner. With that said until we drove the demo vehicle we did not realize what a difference the ride was compared to our coach with all the bolt on upgrades. Thanks for watching and the comment.

[@RickandDarcirvadventures]

@@EndlessRVing beings we have a class c and we want to move up to a class a I would like to see what the class a feels like with upgraded steering stabilizer and sway bars before I move up to liquid springs but the way motorhomes are made now a days there will be no chance of doing that.

[@joeruiz3905]

I’ve been watching you for a few years & decided on the same model BS you have. 2022 model & did experienced big trucks pushing me to the side a couple of times on the 4 hour drive home. I didn’t see a total on this system & not sure it will make a difference in this newer model. Thanks for all the great videos.

[@EndlessRVing]

It makes a huge difference. Like driving a new coach. Suggest you contact Wayne Wells and set up a free test drive. Best to judge for yourself

[@codybill6077]

When yall getting your Super C? (With garage) I need a review on some lol Thanks for all the videos

[@EndlessRVing]

Not sure, but we'll be bringing some next week from the show. Stay tuned!

[@codybill6077]

@@EndlessRVing can't wait

[@johnhalbur7027]

I have the LS 4 corner system on my 2012 BayStar 3002 and with the coach fully lowered down (axles are resting on the bump stops) I can turn the front wheels to full lock both left and right with no interference concern. When I drop the coach down it absolutely LOOKS like the tires would interfere with the fenders if you turn the wheels very far, but I have tested it and in reality there is still plenty of clearance. Have you actually tested for this interference on your coach or just assumed the tires would rub based on what you saw?

[@EndlessRVing]

Yep they rub we had a damage fender to prove it 😉

[@johnhalbur7027]

That's unfortunate. My coach has 19.5" wheels; maybe that accounts for the different results? Since the system has a steering position sensor I imagine the software could be updated to not allow the front to be lowered when the wheels are turned.

[@gordo864]

Just curious with the first round of upgrades you did and that cost was that a major difference from stock and then the liquid springs and that cost how much more of an improvement was it from the first round of upgrades. Reason I ask is I’m about to drop a huge amount on a 2021/2022 class A and seeing how I can convince my wife to drop even more on liquid springs

[@EndlessRVing]

There was a difference with bolt on upgrades. LS is another level and really no comparison.

[@gordo864]

Appreciate that and I would expect a major difference just based on the amount of money we will have to spend for liquid springs. There is no doubt based on yours (and others) reviews on liquid springs they are the premiere solution for handling on gas class A’s

[@roydavis2242]

Our DP steps stop when it hit anything. Our couch has a 3" up or 4" down adjustment and an alarm if not at ride height. With comfort drive® and Hadley stabilizing system no truck-effect. Air won't add weight and a DP chassis has a higher GVRW. Conclusion, putting a Liquid Springs on a DP would be a waist of time & money.

[@EndlessRVing]

Thank you for your expert advice Roy, however if LS did come to the diesel market my assumption it would be with a product that is superior than what the market currently offers.

[@pilotrobroy]

If you’re carrying capacity is based on overall factors of engine transmission and suspension, wouldn’t changing your suspension have an effect on your carrying capacity limits? And I’m not talking about the change to the weight of the suspension system I’m talking about its capability

[@EndlessRVing]

Unofficially our CCC was increased by 2k

[@marccabiness44]

Now that you guys of had this for about seven months or so I’m curious about front end alignment and tire wear? We are having ours installed in November on four corners but I think I heard you or Wayne say something to the effect that the system is self aligning? Meaning it never needs to be realigned? Any input would be appreciated

[@EndlessRVing]

We have had 0 issues with the system or wheel alignments. It’s has been excellent.

[@dennismorrill5568]

I&MJ will liquid spring be at Hershey ?

[@EndlessRVing]

Yes they will! Booth 567. 👍

[@tomkrause62]

For $15000+ it should be good

[@keithdale5841]

What’s the upkeep cost in maintenance?

[@EndlessRVing]

Time To Sell Our RV? The True Cost Of Keeping Our Motorhome On The Road! kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2bNmZyvasSXhtk

[@igniteyoursoullivelifetoth9796]

Thought you all were in Florida! I live in NJ too. North, south, east or west NJ? I'm right at the NJ/pa border off of 78

[@EndlessRVing]

North, near NY state.

[@Graygeezer]

Those downsides don’t sound so bad. I would put up with it.

[@AustinBreakingBeta]

Can't wait to get ours installed in November! We are getting ours installed at the Liquid Spring recommended installer in Mississippi. This is the same shop that Tiffin uses for their factory option install.

[@EndlessRVing]

You will be very happy with the ride

[@Bru_Tube]

We have the 2021 F53, 18K chassis, 32', all tires at 85psi, we have the Koni FSD's all around, front radius rods, steering stabilizer, blue Sumo's (softer) all around, 2" sway bars front/rear and plus the rear facing aux sway bar and rear trac bar. Drive with right hand, (thumb and three fingers), lol. You mentioned you did not have the Koni's, those really help. Wonder if your black Sumo's made it rougher too. Oh well. Ya'll need to go to Yellowstone and Glacier! m.youtube.com/@bru_tube

[@carmencolon3520]

Okay now my shopping for an rv will need to be delay. I don't own one yet and never test drive a class A. I am just researching was the best for us. Now I didn't keep in mind how much I will be pushed on the road. The LS is just for any gass rv class A, B, C? Does the size matter smaller class A. If I choose a DP that will solve the problem of been pushed on the road? I have been checking used rvs so I guess will need to consider all this upgrades before buying a gasser.

[@livingston878]

We have a “little” class A on an E350 chassis (Thor Axis 24.1). Driveability dramatically improved with Safe-T-Plus, no more getting pushed around by semis. Don’t have the CCC for LS anyway. But if we get something bigger, then would consider LS.

[@carmencolon3520]

@@livingston878 I will test drive a 2011 DAMON AVANTI. I believe the chassis is in a Freightliner. Hopefully this will help to minimize the pushing to much.. Some reviews are that still to much noise from that Dp.

[@fattnersgeekfile5478]

I’m going to purchase a 2021 newmar star sport ,This will be the 2702 model gas what does the liquid springs cost roughly and is it worth doing or you void your Ford 53 chassis warranty by doing that?I will be purchasing if I do get the liquid spring the four corners

[@EndlessRVing]

Contact Wayne Wells from LS and he will answer all your questions.

[@fattnersgeekfile5478]

@@EndlessRVing ok thankyou

[@rickhicks3477]

Another great information video. You spend all that money on your RV then you find out how bad it drives. Now you really do not want to use it. For what you are going to pay for your RV it should be standard. How many people do not use there RV or they sell it because the RV drives so bad. 😱😱

[@EndlessRVing]

Very true!

[@rayjansen6712]

Question: these class C coaches, do you have to have a commercial drivers license or not.??

[@EndlessRVing]

Depends on the state your are registered in

[@davidlebsack7552]

So your tag line is "We should have saved our money!" so this was click bait.... You also said wait till the end and you would mention the price, but you didn't. I know you are sponsored by them, but I've followed you because you had good unbiased reviews. I agree you should change your channel name to Endless Pimping.... But overall I think this was a great commercial for Liquid Spring.

[@EndlessRVing]

Watch 12:21. We clearly state what we spent on upgrades. This is an unbiased 6 month review here and we will continue to always do unbiased reviews of ANYTHING we cover. Pimping would involve NOT being unbiased and you will not find that here. Also, click bait is when a title does not deliver in the video. That is quite the contrary here as once again, you can see at 12:21. Thanks for watching. ;)

[@davidlebsack7552]

@@EndlessRVing you're correct at 12:21 you say you've spend thousands and thousands of dollars and hours and tons of money. Again I think it's a great add for Liquid Spring.