Our Cargo Trailer Conversion Rough In Walk Thru/Design Update/Future Design Plans

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[@Jeffrey-rq2gq]

Bill and Deb, IMO, you two are doing the absolute right thing. I've been living practically full time in my 2019 6x12 V-Nose single axle CTC for 3 years. I built it for boondocking and take it places that would shred a standard RV. It has one function, to satisfy my needs and wants. It does that perfectly. I very much appreciate your channel.

[@bendaves77]

I've had friends who went and bought brand new high dollar and used pull behind campers and I've also read alot about them and after approximately a year and a half they start developing all kinds of stuff that goes wrong with them and they might be fancy however they're missing the craftsmanship and quality that you are able to achieve by building your own. Also you can layout things in a manner that suits you best.

[@kelliintexas3575]

EXACTLY!!! We paid $98K for a 2017 42' Big Country 5th wheel w/ 5 super slides, double fridge/ freezer w/ ice maker, top of the line everything w/ a stackable washer & dryer, fire place, triple sliding glass door shower, King bed, ceiling fans, chandelier, sky lights, cedar closet, outside TV, stereo inside & out.... BEAUTIFUL. A year after having it the Kitchen floor had to be replaced from sagging. The washer would over flow randomly into the waterproof underbelly!! The second AC froze up DAILY & the main breaker caught fire. Slide covers dry rotted in West Texas sun in a year, the gel coat dulled in a year, Took 3 months to be serviced and they never could figure out how the washer was over flowing. We finally cut our losses and sold it. SO the fact that you have that HUGE shower (The main reason we bought the camper we did) & Custom EVERYTHING, SOLID WOOD EVERYTHING, I think is AWESOME. I wish I could have walked and chose every single part ourself & had known it would hold up.

[@bethb5076]

Advantages: Quality, Quality, QUALITY! You know what’s going on in there, that it was built well and correctly, and you know how to fix it or replace it if something goes wrong. It looks like the build is coming along beautifully! Great job! Thanks for sharing!

[@arthurleslie9669]

As soon as you mentioned something about supports on each side of the fridge, my mind immediately thought how great it would be to have a vertical slide in/out pantry on each side.

[@michealfrench6488]

I love the bathroom and the sump pump. That is genius.

[@lauratibbles6598]

You two no are so blessed to have each other I’ve been widow forever 25 yrs this month oh I’ve met some real cukes in my 25 yrs but non worthy of my love and attention. Im excited to see you guys and to see things coming together with your cargo conversation god bless you both ❤️❤️❤️🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🌈🌈🌈

[@Tinamarie10289]

This is awesome! I'm so damn excited to see a finished product! And an rv is now where as solid as what you are building! This is a home not an rv

[@warrenscorner]

Glad to see you guys are well. That was an awesome update! It doesn't matter if it's a new RV or used, they're all junk! To spend $20k and have such a well built unit is well worth it. Keep up the good work, stay safe and happy living.

[@debbieleppert739]

Love it! The quality will be so much better than anything you could buy! 20k sounds like a bargain for everything you are getting.

[@myronpriest4935]

you guys made a great home I'm so proud of you $17,000 you got some quality stuff that's a Year's worth of rent obviously you already know that. I sure have some plans peace and love

[@robertfowler1221]

I want to let you know that your idea to use a bolt and nut with the centered hole worked perfectly. I used it to put 8 windows in my new build. Thank you very much for sharing your idea.

[@billanddeb]

You're certainly welcome. Glad it worked well for you.

[@AdventurousJeriLynn]

Hey & HOWDY Bill & Deb from rainy Indiana. Nice to see you both. The build is coming along and looking GOOD. LOVE your setup ~ ALL of it. Make sure to take plenty of breaks when needed. We finally sold our home and are pending status w/ closing in August ~ ready to become full-time NOMADS in our 2018 Cargo Trailer Camper Conversion. The Summer heat has taken a toll on us ( hubby and I ) getting the inside and outside ( decluttering, painting, fixing, etc etc ) it's a job in itself, just to put a sale sign in the yard BUT worth it now. Take care.

[@billanddeb]

Yes a lot of work but worth it

[@tanyabjorling5822]

Yes!! You can cut memory foam mattress with an electric bread knife. It will cut like butter. We cut a tempurpedic mattress with great success. A tip though take the 1st cover off and then the netting?? carefully cut it. This way after you cut the actual mattress you can reuse the cover material and help keep it's shape. I hope this helps! Have a blessed day!!

[@kelliintexas3575]

Yes! It zips right back in the cover!

[@jeffporter3667]

Liking the floor plan with serviceable utility points. Good choice with the FRP. I used it on shower surrounds with some 10 yr anti mold/microbial caulk. 3 years later, no problems. Great results.

[@lauratibbles6598]

You don’t want a used RV I know I have found that out and you will have what you want how you want it it is not a bad cost so far great job you guys it’s is definitely a great job

[@EASTSIDERIDER707]

I hear that new RV’s can be a nightmare too.

[@lauratibbles6598]

@@EASTSIDERIDER707 you hear correctly almost as bad as old ones

[@bonniehess816]

Great set up you guys are just darlings! So happy to see you back on here.

[@musicmombo]

Yes I’ve cut our mattress easy! Electric knife kinda bogged down but try it, I used a regular bread knife and it was easy

[@TomOHara72]

WOW, I literally was holding my breath, YOU done GREAT! , thanx for sharing! I think that pump was a great one for me to learn! ,BE Blessed!!

[@cadillacforge]

Most impressive build, love the fridge color

[@bendaves77]

I've cut a memory foam mattress for my semi truck using a electric knife and it worked fine.. it was a cheap 12" memory foam mattress that I bought online and it was more comfortable and less expensive than anything you can buy specifically for a semi truck

[@miltontaylor5466]

Great job on your home. You know, it really doesn't matter what the cost as compared to anything as long as you two are happy. And it looks like you have quality!

[@chrislewis9345]

I've cut many memory foam mattress toppers.They are 3" thick and I cut them long ways to put in sleeping bags for camping pads.I tried electric knife with no luck...Ended up using a chalk line to mark my line and cut it with a very very sharp filet knife.Work like a champ but you can't cut it all on one pass.It takes a few passes but it's a pretty clean job.

[@innerspaceavailable]

So glad to see all the progress on the trailer. So nice to see you building it out the way YOU want it to come out. Great job!! - Paul, Julie & Miss Lydia in SE Minnesota.

[@floragrimes911]

I think yall have done a great job . 20 thousand for a home is not bad at all. Way better to build your own will Last a lot longer built better. Love you guys it's looking awsome

[@genemiller9612]

I'm not sure what it would cost for a equally well constructed RV, but I'm sure there aren't many out there. A decent bathroom would be a must for me, and you are making one of the better ones I've seen. You're doing great!

[@morrisshepherd1637]

Great info on the bathroom shower drains and floor in front of toliet. Thanks Bill & Deb!!

[@billanddeb]

Our pleasure!

[@FREEDOMREDBIRD]

Looking great guys! I love your idea with the A/C! Y’all are doing a great job! I cut our mattress and it’s find and I still use reg queen sheets bc of the thickness of mattress. Great idea of the tv mount!

[@juliebeth6841]

It’s beautiful 😍! Thank you so much for sharing this with us. I can’t wait to see the new kitchen layout finished. All your hard work is paying off.

[@weebitcrazy4596]

So glad you're healing! I'm looking forward to the Rendezvous, so happy I paid up. Can't wait 😁.

[@JohnDoe-dp5vo]

You have obviously put a lot of thought and planning into your build, and it is coming along great. It is clear that you folks take a lot of pride in your work, and it shows. Thank you so much for taking us along through your videos. I have learned a lot, and gained plenty of ideas through your build, as I'm sure others have also. I have owned a tag-a-long trailer and class A motor home, and have no plans to repeat those mistakes. The poor assembly line production and extreme depreciation is a losing proposition, I know from experience. Still waiting for material prices to drop so I can become more motivated to attempt a build myself. Hopefully some day...... Thanks again for including us all in your build, and life "on the road". It is both interesting and helpful to many. Although we have never met, you two are so personable, it's like we are good friends. Thanks again, and best of luck with everything!!!

[@billhoney6709]

Best couple on you tube! Can't wait to see the next progress Video.

[@howardandrus8828]

Bill, it's looking great! It's nice to see the thoughts you described you had in your head, being built so we can all see it. I was wondering if you had a USB solar charging station for a lot of stuff in your home? I bought a USB hub, 10 port and my wife uses it charge LED lights, flashlights, electric screw driver, Ipads, phones. It was about $12.00 on Amazon.

[@konradg314]

So many extremely well thought out design concepts!! Amazing presentation!! You are both humble and caring. Can't wait to see how it evolves. Happy living!!

[@marlaschaefer9245]

It's very open and spacious , I like it a lot. With top of the line equipment like you have you'd not find a camper or trailer for that price, or layed out to please yourself. And yes I think you can cut the end of the bed off, Mine is 74 inches long and don't even need that much.haha but I like the width which in the trailers most of the time they look very narrow.

[@patriciasizemore6196]

We just started our cargo conversion . Thank You for all the information , will come in handy in our build . Yawls home is looking great!!

[@billanddeb]

Good luck.

[@rakereldridge6210]

I keep watching and re-watching your build. My question is "how do you know what to build first?" I would go nuts trying to get everything built all at once.

[@fit2btied466]

Bill and Deb, I'm so excited for y'all! It really is coming along nicely! I am curious about how you dispose of the solids from your composting toilet. You may have told us before in another video, but if you did, I forgot. That happens often. I'd forget my head if it weren't screwed on tight. Thank y'all for sharing your adventure and your build. It's so neat watching it come together! :)

[@venessaevans8674]

Yeah you can cut your matters I cut mine with a electric bread knife. You just have to go slow when you cut it. Enjoy your new build.

[@Luvpig]

Can't wait to see the finished results, bet you both can't wait either! It's going to be awesome. x

[@prandol]

Your trailer is awesome already, can't wait to see it finished. Love the bathroom.

[@sonyascakesmichigan2393]

I love it & have been following for awhile.. we are almost done with our 7x14.. we got some things from the Rehab Store & still spent $$, especially on the solar but it is SO worth it. Thanks for sharing

[@valerieb8006]

Great seeing the build from start to finish!

[@borntoraisehell5353]

Oh my gosh I just crazy about the color of the appliances. I'm a person that loves colors beside white gray and beige. ☺☺

[@Davi.b]

Good content, try this idea, use the nose of the van as a garage type set up. All water lines, power, ect is in that area, it gives easy access behind a wall, out of site as well

[@billanddeb]

If you watch our progress you will see that everything is out of site yet easily accessible. It's been a key component of our design from the beginning.

[@danthompson1467]

Great set up. You will have a better home then buying a cheep made RV

[@jrbailey2652]

AMEN better and you get quality not cheap cheap cheap

[@contactjoy4140]

Your RETRO style is going to be cute as can be! Somebody is going to want to buy your rig before your maiden voyage in it!! Your turquoise interior was so spectacular that no doubt the Retro look is going to be amazing!

[@GlendaNorris-qx3in]

Love the afagan on the bed ❤

[@billanddeb]

Thanks

[@celticbart]

It really is nobody's business as to the costs of the RV. You've built it to your requirements and that is all that matters. I do appreciate knowing the cost for my own edification. Many of the ideas you've implemented are very useful should I build such a home. Many thanks.

[@mrmotofy]

Not technically but people like a ballpark at least to see what options are available.

[@c.m.303]

Just a thought but does the refrigerator have to be in the middle? If it was moved to the right of the air conditioner it would then be able to be lifted up and you'd have a little bit more counter space on the left side. I love the fact that you're building your own! The breakdown stories that I've heard of the stuff on the market is just plain scary. Your Custom Design is coming along fantastically.

[@billanddeb]

The middle of the v was best for us

[@lauratibbles6598]

Well I am really loving what you are doing with the cargo conversion I can see your vision

[@KE4YAL]

It’s looking really good the mini-split is an awesome way to heat an cool so quiet an economical looks like you all have everything going your way Thanks for sharing

[@ScreechingWife]

Y’all are doing an amazing & beautiful construction of your new “tiny house”!! You are so correct, Bill, in the reasoning behind why y’all didn’t just go out and purchased an already built travel trailer ~ yours is CUSTOM to your needs. 👍 There are very few assembly line manufactured travel trailers out there that would match your sturdy construction (only one that I could truly think of)!! We hope to bump into y’all again along our travels so we can tour your new home in person and spend time around the campfire once again. Happy Trails!

[@billanddeb]

Hope to see you guys again as well.

[@billanddeb]

You need to come see us in Florida next February. Text us for the info if you think you could make over there.

[@leem200]

Haven't seen your video in a while so was happy to see this pop up. It is coming along really good. We have not started our little 5X9 but are excited to. We will not be living in ours so got the size our car will pull, I have everything for the build. Down to pillow covers. Just have to get started. We basically need a place to sleep and prepare food in if raining. A place to go to the rest room, we mostly use facilities. Thank you for sharing.

[@sal.m2A]

make yourself a splitter to go from the 50 amp to 2 15 amp if you can grab 2 circuts in someones house you can run most of your trailer or if just one plug avail make sure necessities are on that leg

[@jamesjackson7752]

You are doing great on the build.👍😎

[@blitzedangel4556]

I cannot wait to see it once all those great ideas are done. My Hubster and I are married 31 years now and I hope we can do this soon ourselves. Gotta put his engineering skills to work but NOT at a job. 😉

[@billanddeb]

Yes the sooner the better

[@mrmotofy]

I think I would add a water line to the toilet for a little flush. A simple limiting valve to control the flow and a switch for an on off electric valve. Hit the momentary switch valve opens small amount of water flows to flush the umm ammonia down. That storage floor at the back door could easily be on a piano hinge on bathroom side. Open door lift up...a gas strut would make it really fancy and hold itself open

[@maga5381]

I wish you both the best of luck. I admire your vision, creativity and work ethic.

[@TinyWanderland]

So so proud of you both. You have achieved so much and your hard work is paying off. I do want to caution you on those “good jacks”, I have had a set on the TW forever and the other night they failed me in an unimaginable way. I’ll send you the story to your messenger. Trailer looks awesome and congratulations again.

[@candyalexander2196]

We campers do love our air conditioning..work n progress THANKS for some great ideas.greetings from NC Moab forever

[@leemartell1250]

Love your channel. I know I'm a little late to the party, but you have a lot of great ideas for anyone considering a cargo trailer build of their own. Thanks for sharing.

[@BrokenDreamsReborn]

We just found your channel! Looking forward to seeing what your conversion looks like! ~ Shion and Matthew

[@billanddeb]

Awesome. We're looking forward to it as well. Lol. Thanks for coming along.

[@whatyoumakeofit6635]

Hey guys!! I found you recently and have been gobbling up your videos. What a treasure trove of info and enjoyment. I have a thought that has been rolling around in my mind for some time. The mini-split..... awsome solution to a major issue. Something I've been curious about for a long while, ducting. Do you think it's would be effective to build a plenum off the front of the interior section of the mini-split. My reason for pondering this is to have a way to distribute the conditioned air evenly throughout the trailer. I could just imagine standing in the kitchen area having cold air blowing directly on me while trying to cook. All the while the very back of the trailer or the bathroom is not as cool as the kitchen. I'm confident I could build a plenum and ducting system off the exhaust of the mini-split. I just don't know if it just wouldn't be worth the effort or if it would interrupt a function of the mini-split that I am not aware of. Have you ever run into a trailer build that someone has built ducting for the mini-split ? Do you know of any reason it would not work due to how the mini-split operates ?

[@tedjones112]

$17K So Far Ain’t Bad at All. A Decent RV that Size would be $26K-$30K Plus. Nicer One like Lance or Winnebago about $40K-$45K. Airstream - $65K....... I’m figuring $18k for a 7x16’ build - just ain’t got $18K right now. 😂 How will you drain the kitchen sink - just gravity drain to grey tank.?

[@tedjones112]

And besides maybe having a slide out - Travel trailer wouldn’t be as Nice/WellBuilt. No Solar/Battery bank, Crappy roof top AC, Crappy flimsy shower, inefficient 3 way fridge, propane rv furnace, smaller water/waste tanks etc. and a factory floor plan. And possibly end up like these guys - stuck in Freak Texas Ice Storm in a 2 yr Old Travel trailer - their tanks froze, expanded and cracked and twisted the trailer frame - TOTALED. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6e1eXeiZpp-Zpo

[@akah7187]

Looking good! Doing things the way you want to is priceless.

[@FreedomConversion]

Hey, the fridge looks good !! We love ours and yes, it sort of dictated the rest of the designing decisions. Your coming in price wise right about where we thought you would be and it's gonna be well worth the cost and sweat in the end. We also love our mini-split and are planning how to incorporate one in the ambulance build now. Robert & Teresa

[@billanddeb]

Thank you so much. We hope to meet you on the road.

[@laurenmurphy1776]

What a sweet couple you guys are ❤❤. Your video was suggested, not sure why but so glad it was and happy to have found y'all. Loved your video on Greers Ferry Lake. My husband is from around that area, beautiful country. You guys take care and look forward to seeing your "finished product". Already looks so cozy and homey. 🤗

[@billanddeb]

So glad ya'll found us. Check out our live feed this coming Wed the 28th at 6:30 PM Central Daylight Time

[@suzannecranford6819]

Yes, you can cut the mattress with an electric knife. That's exactly what I did, and I used the scraps for a bolster. I like the bathroom. Over all, you've created a really nice sized living space. Very nice! About how many interior square feet do you have?

[@billanddeb]

The living room/kitchen is roughly 8 x 8 so 64 sq ft.

[@perrymahnke886]

Awesome video and thank you for sharing. I really enjoy your explanation of the reasons for building your trailer the way you are. Thank you for all the great ideas.

[@msehruz7489]

I am enjoying your build soooo much! Look forward to more. Ya'all inspire me,

[@fromdrivetocoast370]

Hey Bill, Donnie Downer got tired just listening to all the work ahead. With all the work done up to this point, I need a break. Looks super, Clark Kent would be late saving the world if he used your house to change his clothes. He would be relaxing and loose track of time. Great to see you both, looking forward to more.

[@dotjohnson231]

I may be the only one who wants to talk about it, but I think a composting toilet is a great idea. What do you use for compost, and is it difficult to keep clean? Not the greatest subject, I know, but kind of important to know about. I haven't seen any of your other videos go into much detail about it.

[@billanddeb]

We use pine pellets, we get them at tractor supply, it is sold as horse bedding. And I use it in the litter box for Deleliah

[@dotjohnson231]

@@billanddeb thanks!

[@Grace_4us]

Yes! .My husband cut our first memory foam mattress

[@arlenekorth2253]

So utterly amazing. Really enjoying your build. Looks like home.

[@markbrienen1857]

Bill, just a thought, when you add the hand basin to the bathroom, why not run the drain to the urine down tube with a wye fitting. You will be flushing the urine tube when you wash your hands. I'm enjoying your build.

[@billanddeb]

Yep. That's what we're doing. We might run a separate line completely to a different inlet on the pump, but it all ends up in the same place. It'll all get "flushed" at the same time.

[@thetoolmat8632]

jusr curious, urine to gray water tank? where do you dump the tank at a sewer connection /rv dump correct?

[@billanddeb]

We dump either at a Campground dumb station, or down the sewer drain at the Campsite if we have full hookups. We also have an auxiliary waste tank in the van. We use a macerater pump to pump our waste Water up into the 42 gallon permanently mounted waste tank in the van. The Vans waste tank has a standard RV style sewer connection on it that accepts a standard RV sewer hose. We drive the van to the nearest dump station and dispose of the waste Water there. We've covered this in other videos.

[@annparham3466]

Great progress! I know you have been working your tails off! Its going to be awesome when you finish!

[@markthornhill519]

Have you thought about the vinyl flooring that's in the pop together planks. Might be easier to have your access to the floor panel in the bathroom. Love what you have done so far.

[@jrbailey2652]

You guys are fun. No used RV I have had two every free minute is jerry rig and repair no quality like you build. You are doing this right congratulations. It is your Home Build it the way you want the nay nay's will always be out there. 99.9 per cent are just Jealous ENJOY your journey GOD BLESS

[@CraftsmanontheLake]

I'd put the fridge to the right on the nose wall but close to the window, right up to that corner. Then your kitchen can go from beyond the sink along the other nose side over the the fridge instead of splitting up the countertop on either side of the fridge.

[@resellingandthrifting]

I love that refrigerator. Big thumbs up guys. 👍

[@ron343]

I wanted to do what you are doing but unfortunately I got a rare sarcoma and the removed it from my leg so I can’t do what I us to so we will buy a rv love watch your build

[@janetparham1587]

I have cut two memory foam mattresses and the only issue I had was keeping the electric knife straight up and down. I cut a regular queen to a short queen, and a king to two twins. I marked the mattress with a sharpie where I wanted to cut. Just take your time and it will be just fine.

[@lauratibbles6598]

Video was not long at all and considering that you have not been able to do many video it was just fine love it great job folks ❤️❤️❤️🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🌈🌈🌈

[@jmdminiaturehorse63]

Great job!! Yours will be way better built than the travel trailers you buy.

[@bendaves77]

That pump would work great for putting a shower in a basement.. I like to use a shower in the basement when I come in and am super dirty or the wife and I both need to clean up in a hurry

[@jaykaywest112]

Great job!❤

[@billanddeb]

Thank you! 😄

[@NoZenith]

Amazing

[@wildwestwashservices7612]

Another great video fam! Love the journey and experience and y'all!

[@johnklenzak1001]

Bill, I have 2 questions for you: 1) how will the heat work for the cold months, especially along the floor and under the floor where the plumbing is?; 2) just wondering why you have pieces of wood between the upper and lower unit mounts for the air unit outside (the black iron, I think)? I can hardly wait to see how great your finally product will be. I am excited to see the outside and inside finished projects. Keep up the great job both of you!

[@billanddeb]

The mini split is also a heat pump. However, it won't work so well in temps below 30°, but we plan to be in warmer climates during the winter. None of the plumbing is under the floor. Some of the plumbing is under the "raised floor" in the bathroom area, but the primary floor below the plumbing is also insulated and these areas will be vented in such a way for warmer air can flow freely. Again though for at least this coming winter, we'll be in a warmer climate. Florida is calling. 😁

[@billanddeb]

The wood section on top of the mini split frame was necessary because the tongue rails tapered in such a way that made it too narrow for the mini split mounting points. However, those planks are 5/4 treated lumber used for exterior decks and such. Eventually they will be painted as well.

[@mrmotofy]

The Diesel heaters are becoming very popular. Made famous by Wabasto on boats...but there's umm imports available cheaper haha

[@billanddeb]

@@mrmotofy we are very familiar with diesel heaters and they work great in a multitude of applications. However, since we have nothing at all that runs on diesel, they are not a right fit for us.

[@chigarastone8462]

we are just startign one as well you guys seem to enjoy life very much.

[@Carmencita1464]

Awesome build!!! I love it guys 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰👏

[@bonniefuller858]

You are back!!! YAY!!!!!!🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹...your home is really coming along sooo well!! I’m so excited for you both😍

[@togethersomewhere6911]

Love your videos, and the cargo trailer conversion community.

[@robertcloninger6583]

17k is not bad at all. Im a cabinet builder. People put to much on how big there house is. People need to be happy and thankful for what they have, good luck to you two.

[@t.c.3027]

Gotta see the finished product, y'all think I'm smiling now, I can't wait, Lol...New sub that's for sure!🤗...

[@petranilla14]

What about putting the bed across instead of the way it is? You will have a bigger space to walk to get to the bath etc.

[@timphillips4072]

looks like its liveable now great job

[@tinymission7821]

I was guessing to the screen as you were saying it, $17,000. We sounded like an echo of each other. That’s a great price so far! I definitely see the value there. I mean yeah, you two are kinda slumming it at the moment but I can visualize the finished product. I think you may be looking at closer to $25,000 all in but even then, just look at what you have! Incredible so far, just amazing really. A new travel trailer may have a trendy (outdated in 5 years) look, but it won’t have the quality of materials your rig has. And it won’t fit just you two exactly how you want it to function and live. I see value all the way.

[@billanddeb]

We was a little shocked at the total, and we are not done. We check pricing from all sources before we purchase, but it adds up. We budgeted around 18,000 in our heads. So not bad.

[@tinymission7821]

The unforeseen though is the price inflation of nearly all of the materials you are sourcing for your build. If you can even find them that is. Prices seem to have increased 20% to 50% and more depending on the item. I purchased windows similar to yours last year. Slightly bigger. They were only $72 each. The exit windows were $134 ea. All of these windows are way higher now even if you can find the size you want/need.

[@juliebeth6841]

Deb, what about adding a under the counter pull out shelf so you can use when you need it? That seems to popular in van builds.

[@billanddeb]

Maybe...will think about it

[@kathywilson9257]

They say ¨listen, listen, listen," then keep on talking. LOL