Our F1 Driver Ratings for the 2024 Hungarian Grand Prix

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[@anthonybevinetto7717]

You guys missed where a pigeon flew in Zhou Guan Yu’s field of view in turn 4 on lap 35. Completely ruined his race. I thought you could’ve factored that into his rating.

[@blackjacktrial]

Also the fact he's apparently a god of war, who is worth a thousand soldiers on a battlefield. I'm not about to mess with him, but what happened to his beard?

[@paperplane-db8qf]

They should give the other drivers a hard time for not braking for animals.

[@Hodor3746]

Also he rode the famed horse Red Hare, so that should be factored into how quick he can be

[@redcuillin]

He would have got points but for his annoyance by an under spiced bowl of goulash earlier in the day.

[@anthonybevinetto7717]

@@redcuillinYes the lack of spice in his pre-race meal was missed also. The guys need to do proper reviews.

[@redcuillin]

The bias is so terrible. How can you give Zhou such a bad score when you know he was distracted by the sight of a small boy dropping a cheese toastie during his start?

[@pixelsam123]

😅

[@d.b.cooper1]

Lmaoo ffs I like these jokes but has anyone ever seriously even seen the Zhou defenders? Lowkey feel sorry for the guy

[@RockSolitude]

Nearly made me spit out my food

[@PKWeaver74]

He was in Landos eyeline as well

[@welshdraagonx]

He’s got some sharp eyesight, put him in the McLaren and he will be a world champion

[@peterlud87]

The Swiss engineers at Sauber accidentally left their gold bars in Zhou's cockpit, which slid around into his legs and in the pedals as well as slowing the car down, costing him seconds per lap

[@matthiascerebri3315]

And stinking cheese plus melting chocolate in the helmet 😂

[@redcuillin]

Zhou was haunted by the ghosts of his ancestors for five minutes during laps 60 and 61. You really needed to take that into account.

[@8jof544]

I believed that it was because he lost a lot of social credits during that laps

[@Slippodip]

I can't believe Matt and Tommy didn't notice when it took Zhou five minutes to do one lap, and he still got 19th.

[@gemmaspencer8456]

@@8jof544😮😢 my

[@quikesteve]

Please Matt and Tommy add the category of Team Ratings.

[@DylansGilbertGarden]

McLaren 1/10 with a 1,2 finish

[@Klooney9mm]

I'm all for this. Silverstone and this race are perfect examples. Danny Ric also being shafted.

[@JamesBD05]

Just a little team rating at the end of the two drivers of each team

[@infusechizle253]

Lance ignoring team orders and stealing the last point off Fernando is crazy

[@Cwg.]

He knows he cant lose his seat

[@Sbinnnala]

Don't have to worry about job security when daddy writes the checks. Alonso deserves better

[@scoobydoocd9007]

yuki was on the oldest tires on the grid and lance was within a second, no way should he have backed off, and without team orders lance gets by nando anyway

[@t-mar9275]

Stroll was within DRS range and any small mistake from Tsunoda would have given 9th place to Aston-Martin. Consequently, he was correct to ignore team orders and race Tsunoda to the finish line. Even Alonso acknowledged that Lance did the correct thing and said, “It was one point for the team . It doesn’t matter which car takes that point. And I think he was trying until the last corner. So, yeah, I think it was the right thing to do.”

[@colemanjunior9773]

What’s gonna happen? He gets in trouble?

[@francescomogavino]

Have you ever thought about giving a different vote for each team to separate the performance of the car and the strategy from the performance of the pilot?

[@zqzj]

Love it!!!

[@TommyLeeRoyce]

Not a bad idea tbf mate!

[@charlieshreddingthestrings6816]

Yeah this would allow a more concise analysis, I love this

[@soundscape26]

That would make the ratings more complicated than they should be. This is just for fun.

[@piuthemagicman]

I'd love this too!

[@joshharding9029]

Think you’re being being very harsh on Zhou, forgetting the fact he was up till 3am sim racing …

[@venorando3672]

He was only up until 2:55 AM, so that can’t have had anything to do with his poor performance!

[@blurryface2309]

I was thinking this was rly late…then I realised it was only Wednesday😢

[@louiselavender3951]

Same

[@JamesBD05]

I could have sworn ratings were a Tuesday thing; must have misremembered

[@juanvillanueva19]

Thursday... Tomorrow finally Cars on track

[@inthewoodsmtb]

You guys missed when Zhou had to hop out of his car to take a poo during his first stop which caused him to lose time. Give your heads a shake.

[@LFC1PG]

Matt rating: Avg 1. Max Verstappen 9,08 2. Lando Norris 8,46 3. Oscar Piastri 8,08 4. Carlos Sainz 7,58 5. Charles Leclerc 7,54 6. George Russell 7,46 7. Nico Hulkenberg 7,46 8. Lewis Hamilton 7,23 9. Yuki Tsunoda 7,08 10. Fernando Alonso 6,38 11. Alex Albon 6,23 12. Pierre Gasly 6,17 13. Esteban Ocon 5,69 14. Daniel Ricciardo 5,62 15. Valtteri Bottas 5,62 16. Kevin Magnussen 5,31 17. Lance Stroll 5,08 18. Sergio Perez 4,77 19. Guanyu Zhou 4,77 20. Logan Sargeant 4,00 Tommy rating: 1. Max Verstappen 9,08 2. Lando Norris 8,38 3. Oscar Piastri 8,31 4. Carlos Sainz 7,67 5. Charles Leclerc 7,54 6. Lewis Hamilton 7,38 7. Nico Hulkenberg 7,38 8. George Russell 7,31 9. Yuki Tsunoda 7,00 10. Fernando Alonso 6,46 11. Pierre Gasly 6,17 12. Alex Albon 6,08 13. Esteban Ocon 5,85 14. Daniel Ricciardo 5,46 15. Valtteri Bottas 5,46 16. Lance Stroll 5,23 17. Kevin Magnussen 5,15 18. Sergio Perez 4,77 19. Guanyu Zhou 4,69 20. Logan Sargeant 4,08 Fan rating: 1. Max Verstappen 8,69 2. Lando Norris 8,62 3. Oscar Piastri 8,00 4. Carlos Sainz 7,42 5. Charles Leclerc 7,38 6. George Russell 7,23 7. Lewis Hamilton 7,08 8. Nico Hulkenberg 7,08 9. Yuki Tsunoda 6,85 10. Alex Albon 6,08 11. Fernando Alonso 6,00 12. Pierre Gasly 5,92 13. Daniel Ricciardo 5,38 14. Kevin Magnussen 5,38 15. Valtteri Bottas 5,23 16. Lance Stroll 5,15 17. Esteban Ocon 5,15 18. Guanyu Zhou 4,85 19. Sergio Perez 4,77 20. Logan Sargeant 4,23

[@dan7845]

If Perez gets a "lower" score because he is 20 sec behind his team mate, should that kind of thing not also apply to Russell?

[@paperplane-db8qf]

Because it’s not Russell’s fault he got knocked out in Q1, while it’s completely Perez’s fault for crashing out.

[@venorando3672]

@@paperplane-db8qfIt kinda is Russell’s fault though.. He was far from the only driver to only do one lap in Q1. Even hamilton set a WAY faster lap than Russell at the same stage of qualifying.

[@paperplane-db8qf]

@@venorando3672 no. Literally only the last lap mattered in Q1. No one got through without that last lap. So it’s not Russell’s fault.

[@davidreichert9392]

You have to factor in the bonus point for being British, Australian or Yuki Tsunoda.

[@ninaferreira2887]

@@paperplane-db8qfHamilton did a lot of people did it was mainly the people at the back who went out again and actually had to do a lap that counted. If George was fueled properly he could have done another lap in the best conditions and got through but his first lap of q1 and even the lap he did after it rained weren’t good enough

[@poniatowski3547]

Dont know how you can give Tsunoda a 9 and Danny Ric a 7. When both cars were on same tyre and only lap different age over final 30 laps car 3 was 0.3sec per quicker. Sorry I like Tsunoda but Daniel was quicker than his teamate in Quali and in race pace. The only difference was VCARB forgetting what tyres they had on car 3 and coming up with an insane strategy.

[@carbis378]

To add to your point of the fair comparison being when they both went onto the same tyres one lap apart - the difference is even greater when you only look at the laps when both drivers were in clean air; with Daniel lapping between 0.5 & 1.5 seconds faster than Yuki. It's a real shame for VCARB to allow that strategy call to take place and ruin Daniel's chances of points during such an important moment in his career. Especially when many of the investors don't often look at the reasons behind certain performances, instead choosing to just look at the points total and make assumptions from that alone.

[@TheDornado]

uh Tommy in your own words how do you give Danny a lower score than Yuki? He out drove him all weekend and they ONLY reason he finished worse in the race was his team stupidly pitting him with the sifts. Without that, he finishes ahead of Yuki. So you downgrade him for his team having shit strategy and destroying his race?

[@courtneyanne.martin]

The Danny hate from them is realllll! Worst strategy ever. So disappointed

[@jusbus777]

Lewis gets a 9/10 for placing arguably the 3rd fastest car on the grid P3 whilst masterfully hold off a the 2nd fastest car twice during the race driven by the current leader of the WDC! That's about right! 😂😂😂

[@jusbus777]

@@wise4833 Where was Leclerc stout defense against max? He capitalized on the blunders of others so NO. Lewis defended against a faster car twice. So much so it frustrated Max to make a very Stupid move. Albeit Lewis driving a slower car!

[@ab8jeh]

@@jusbus777 9/10 is good isn't it? There's no pleasing some people. Your comment suggests he got a 7 or something. Hamilton almost missed Q3, but some people have short memories.

[@jusbus777]

@@ab8jeh Almost. I guess you're right because his teammate.....wait. His teammate didn't even get out of Q1. I would say that solidifies my point

[@EthanRom]

Third fastest? That's hilarious. This is track is just better suited for the Mercedes. Less straights. Slow and full of turns

[@jusbus777]

@@EthanRom You would be delirious to think it's was the second fastest, Especially at the rate Max was catching Lewis in the last stint. Something like 0.5 sec a lap! If Max was a better driver Lewis would've been dispatched as of he was standing still

[@Paulorrrrrr]

It was clear from the review and funniest tweets that tommy and matt did not think that Max had a bad drive which js pretty insane considering what happened throughout the race Edit: There is no way you can convince me if the same incident was K-mag, they wouldn't be calling out FIA for not giving him penalty points again.

[@venorando3672]

Yeah, I am a bit shocked some times at how biased the F1 community is! Max had a solid qualifying session, but the race was probably a 5/10 at best for him if not worse. Let’s not forget that he still drives the second fastest car, or what perhaps even seemed like the fastest car for some stages of the race, and still got beaten by Hamilton and Leclerc in significantly slower cars due to his own silly mistakes. And he definitely should have gotten a 5 second penalty for his crash with Hamilton, which would’ve dropped him to P6 if I’m not mistaken, which is only ONE place ahead of his teammate. And keep in mind that Perez started the race from 16th! Not a good race for him!

[@ninety_ldn]

The Max/Lando bias is absolutely crazy from these guys. Imagine Lewis absolutely losing his head over the radio all race, crashing in to Max near the end in a faster car and then escaping a penalty 😭 They'd be giving him a 4. "he's thrown away an easy podium, lost his head in the process and jeopardised another driver's race therefore i can't give him more than a 4"

[@wise4833]

​@@ninety_ldnI don't think talking nonsense trying to justify your thoughts is in line with your favourite driver Hamilton😭

[@lostmind24]

It’s kinda relative 10 would correlate p1 unless it’s very common guy in p1 . 9 would correlate to p2 and so on

[@jusbus777]

@@Paulorrrrrr I saw that too. When I saw Tommy in the "Super Max" T shirt after the race I knew it was over 😆 😆🤣😂

[@Grammarlings-cf8yw]

Tommy too generous with Verstappen, he tried to pass Hamilton, he had a slightly better straight line advantage and DRS but he couldn't get by. He was driving angry and not his best - also the turn 1 fiasco.

[@crushx]

Saying DR 7 may be generous is crazy! He outqualified his teammate and had better pace than yuki in the race legit would've been that p9 car if not for the awful strategy. How do you have one car pit twice before the other has even pitted once.

[@koba71]

he should have better pace, he had tyres

[@066kshitizvsingh4]

​@koba71 the effective problem with that is that he still had 1-2 pits stops worth of time to catch up

[@MarcoVerma]

Why do you say ricciardo had definitely a shot of points if he had a normal strategy and still only give him an 7. He had better pace than his teammate and may i add didnt destroy his car in qualli

[@jenhongkong]

How do you give Yuki a 9, he totaled that car in quali, you talked & marked Perez down for doing the same thing!! Giving him a 9 puts him on the same level as Lando and Lewis... not the same kind of weekend at all!!

[@martininho001]

They’re taking the piss with the Yuki obsession. If they can’t take their own personal biases out of it… why bother in the first place

[@BeneathTHeaveans]

Let’s not act like it was the same thing one crashed in Q1 the other in Q3

[@jenhongkong]

@@BeneathTHeaveans He still caused the team millions of dollars worth of damage and his total weekend was not the same as that of Lando's or Lewis's hence, not worthy of a 9 rating!

[@Hoodini0126]

a 6 for Ricciardo? has chat fell and bumped their head?

[@lamsmiley1944]

I think a 7 is even a bit harsh. He had a decent quali and good race pace, he was just screwed over by strategy.

[@Hoodini0126]

@@lamsmiley1944 I agree! he had better pace than Yuki all weekend yet got screwed by strategy by a late call into the pits on lap 7 but you're gonna leave Yuki out til lap 20 something? that's literally insane to me.

[@imliterallyjustjake]

It’s truly terrible. Literally could have been in a higher position than Perez if he had just had even 20% a better strategy than he had. Whoever that strategist was, they need to be fired and never allowed to work in F1 ever again bc I mean what the actual fuck was that?

[@drummerboy2834]

Albon qualified 13th, finished 14 and got 1 less than ricc… It’s just a silly popularity contest anyway 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@sweginator1084]

​@@Hoodini0126 yeah but r u srsly gonna give him anything higher for his finishing position ? We all feel for him but it's silly to give anything higher than a 7 for finishing 12th in the vcarb

[@klrgopher1377]

Yuki could turn into prime Latifi and take out half the grid and you 2 would still try and defend a 9/10. Its a 7 for managing tyres all race, an 8 maaaaybe if he doesn't destroy his car and red flag Q3

[@John333Scout]

Idk how Max or Fernado got 7's. Yes they are terrific drivers and also loved by these two but come on they both were 6 and below.

[@venorando3672]

Yep, the bias is real!

[@Muzz76]

I’m guessing they want the fan engagement and an invite back to Red Bull headquarters

[@wise4833]

​@@Muzz76perhaps you want another invite to your counsellor

[@wise4833]

​@@venorando3672or you could go start your own rankings with computerized analysis

[@Muzz76]

@@wise4833 huh

[@foldionepapyrus3441]

IMO Verstappen doesn't deserve a better score than Perez, he absolutely should have finished 3rd if he didn't throw his toys out of the pram and just kept his head down - RB wasn't the fastest this time, no chance to catch, pass or even stay ahead of the McLaren if he had ever managed to get there IMO. But he was definitely fast enough to actually pass Hamliton on track before the end... At least if he knew how to race a near rival in car performance wheel to wheel without crashing into them - and that ongoing failure to accept any blame at all, to then contemplate, study the events and learn means he has a complete lack of racecraft, and no prospect of ever getting any - that to me tanks his score hugely, if anything seeing Crashtappen come back so often already this season would put him at a zero for this race from me... The greats like Hamilton and Alonso make some mistakes, push a rule too far etc and learn from it - Max refuses to play by the same rules as everyone else...

[@venorando3672]

What I find so frustrating about Max is that he has a tendancy of repeating the same mistakes over and over again. I don’t think it’s a lack of ability. More so a problem with him having the wrong mentality in certain situations.

[@foldionepapyrus3441]

@@venorando3672 Precisely, IMO the way he was behaving in 21 and every time he has had a real rival since he should have earned a few race bans so he might just learn, as RB disciplining their primidona #1 never seems to happen... They have been a terrible team to really nurture and develop rookies properly through their entire history as a team IMO. So for that reason of not even trying to learn every time he repeats the same mistakes in the same way he should score zero, as that is what he is compared to his potential (which clearly is up there with the better drivers, maybe even really WDC win worthy). Mistakes will happen, even the best wheel to wheel folks like Alonso will occasionally make the same mistake twice, but they always very clearly try to learn from it, and at least accept their share fault...

[@Wolfywolf7]

Please don't give me a stroke, now☠

[@wise4833]

I don't think a driver wins multiple race titles without racecraft..Verstappen didn't have the best of races but his qualifying performance as well as bad strategy compared to checo's team costing mistake,it isn't like a crime has been committed in both of their performance assessments

[@mamavswild]

@@wise4833. You can’t argue with Team LHateCh. There pigeons all over the chessboard crapping on it like they won some kind of battle

[@adapixei836]

Poor Ocon, he managed to get 5 places on the start before having his race nuked by the same strategy as Daniel

[@michaelwilkie35]

I feel like the “Lance ignoring team orders” things needs some context. By managing his soft tires superbly he gave himself a late tire advantage, so it only made sense to go after the only 1-stop driver of the race in Yuki. Alonso still has twice the points & he himself acknowledged that Lance’s decision made sense. Now if it was for more than a single point it’s a different story.

[@AJames-jr8kw]

Interesting perceptions. Yuki lauded 9 by M&T, 8 by fans. Ricciardo pilloried. Ricciardo 6th FP3 Yuki 9th, FP2 Ric 8th Yuki 19th. Q1 Ric P1. Q3 VCarb put them both out on used softs for the first run in changeable conditions (?) so only 9th and 10th. Second run on new softs both were green in all mini sectors bar one when Yuki went off ruining Daniels lap. After mess cleaned up track worse and no one EXCEPT Ricciardo improved. He would have been on for better than P9 qualy if Yuki had not crashed. At race start both Dan&Yuki on medium got jumped by Albon and Mag on softs. Once those 2 came in Dan quickly gaped Yuki and made up 0.8 on Stroll in front in the one lap of clean air before they told him to box. They then sent him out into a DRS train lead by Alonso who remember had no trouble holding up a 7 time WDC in a much faster car in 2021 on this very track and appeared to have been instructed to back up the field for Stroll. Albon radioed Alonso was going so slow. To add insult they continually berated him on the radio for not passing the others. Everyone lauded Yuki for going 40 laps on hards. VCarb made Ric do 41. From lap 30 to lap 60 Ricciardo pick up about 8 seconds on Yuki on 1 lap older hards. In the middle he was lapping as fast as the leaders. Yuki ran virtually all of the race in clean air. DR had some traffic and in the 10 last laps got blue flagged as the leaders came through and dropped back. It was telling the different receptions from VCarb on radio. "Yuki you were phenomenal" Danny silence. Ricciardo had the speed all W/E to do well. The RB was good at slow corner tracks, DR has won before on that track. His career is on the line. He surely would have finished ahead of Russel and maybe Checo (and even Sainz ?) if not for that completely moronic pit stop strategy. You put your life/career on the line all W/E only to be shafted by somebody at VCarb who clearly should not be there.

[@dylanmonaghan3342]

Matt and Tommy aren’t fans of Ric so this never impacts the rating. Was a hard race to watch Danny’s great pace get squandered. What makes it worse is that I don’t think spa will suit the RB 😔

[@PlayinFreak]

In the end, they're not going to look at every lap of every driver and every decision their team has made. That's just not feasible. These ratings are based mostly on results and vibes. In this case, ignore what they say and try viewing Danny's grade not as his own performance, but as the luck he had in terms of the circumstances and things will start to make more sense. The coverage didn't really show him at all and info on his race was sparse to non-existant. Always take these ratings with a pinch of salt since they cannot include every detail. Also, I'd argue that positions in FP and Q1/Q2 don't matter as long as you make it to the next session and manage to keep it out of the barriers. Free Practice is not a competitive session and its results can often trigger false conclusions.

[@aroundthebend1]

Well said sir

[@AJames-jr8kw]

@@PlayinFreak you said "Q1/Q2 don't matter as long as you make it to the next session and manage to keep it out of the barriers." Too true. But Yuki did put it into the barriers and in doing so ruined DR's 2nd Q3 run on new softs in the process. Yet they graded Yuki a 9 and Daniel a 7.

[@RickGrimes4477]

you missed the part when Zhou Guanyu feel asleep on lap 61 causing him to loose time

[@DevJMD]

Giving Max a 7 and 6 is wild, it wasn’t just the team radio, it was his petulance on track. It made him drive poor and forced him to make mistakes.

[@ericlorenz292]

Whyyy u spoil man Like wtf i wanted to Watch my Self.

[@FIntan-vr9cv]

@@ericlorenz292don’t read the comments if u don’t wanna get spoilt?? Like comments are for ppls opinions on the content…

[@mikeuuuytffvghjjoopoiytf]

He still wiped the floor with Perez who got a 6?

[@dimglow]

​@@mikeuuuytffvghjjoopoiytfnext question: why Perez even got a 6? that's a 5 at best

[@paperplane-db8qf]

Exactly. His strategy wasn’t even bad - Lewis won with that strategy in 2019. Vettel got P2, P3 in 2018, 2019 with the same strategy. It’s just Max couldn’t make it work and messed up his overtakes. If they actually pit Max the lap after Lewis pit he’d still be stuck behind but with no tyre advantage.

[@elleonken7599]

How many times did Alonso get screwed over in the Hungarian GP!!! - First, by the FIA when Tsunoda crashed in Qualifying. - Second, by his team with that stupid first pit stop. -Third, by Stroll for not following team orders and give back the position Alonso gave him.

[@MIXDJ3000]

I think I heard Rosberg say that Lando had an issue on the start, I think it was software issues so he couldn't fight for the start. So hoping that this doesn't happen again.

[@BwInNewJersey]

Software glitches are the least of Landos start problems.

[@robinthebobin6537]

Someone can link the segment if it's on youtube somewhere, but I think on Sky Sports before the race they actually talked about McLaren having bad starts quite often - and *not* down to driver error. Basically they were saying the launch was fine, but the shift up into 2nd had issues of some sort?

[@joshf1905]

Ricciardo a 7 and tsunodia a 9 lol. Yuki binned his car and was behind Ricciardo in the race. If both cars had the same strategy Ricciardo finished ahead. So to award a 9 to yuki is outrageous

[@EthanKlassen00]

Amazing how they always seem to see only the best of Yuki but the worst of Ricciardo

[@joshf1905]

@@EthanKlassen00and to give lando a 9 too. He in no way deserved that race win. Choked another pole. 7 is a fair mark

[@wise4833]

​@@EthanKlassen00jog off and start you own thing

[@wise4833]

I don't think either is outrageous..you should call out the fans too.. getting points is a pretty reasonable standard

[@joshf1905]

@@wise4833 we all know the fans are fangirl dts followers. I would expect these guys with knowledge to have abit more of an understanding

[@DonLee1980]

Danny Ric qualified higher than Yuki, was ahead of Yuki in the race, but then got shafted by his team. Yuki was allowed to run in free air and stayed out so long that he didn't even do his 2nd pit stop until Danny Ric did his 3rd. It's kind of funny Yuki is being praised having a great drive, when it was only because Danny Ric got sacrificed. Just like how Piastri got praised only because he was given the win.

[@problemforyou]

Agreeing until you said piastri. He did not get given the win. If he got the preferable stop st the end he would of won I think and he was in front the entire race. Csnt blame norris tho js mclaren acting French as per

[@DonLee1980]

@@problemforyou or vice versa... Piastri being rated lower if Norris didn't let him pass.

[@hanstubben]

We need a team scoring too, a lot of drivers scoring is dependent on team strategy execution! Also this will give us at the end of the season a better understanding of why some drivers can't show their talents.

[@bloodharrier3333]

I really enjoy these driver rating shows you two do. I always look forward to it popping up in my notifications.

[@mzu5677]

As a Hamilton fan I am curious, you guys said positive things only about Hamilton and said he got the maximum points he could have gotten in that car, yet still gave him a 9 not a 10. What more should he have done to get a 10?

[@venorando3672]

Right? He seriously placed that car in a position where it shouldn’t have been! What a drive!

[@mapleleafkay9824]

I’m sure they do this to get comments asking these exact questions! Engagement!

[@j.bholmes6874]

Partly at fault for the collision (cheeky jink right under breaking to force the lock up) for me downgrades him other than that an easy 10

[@Goldenslayer]

​@j.bholmes6874 "Cheeky jink right," and it's literally just him turning for the corner. Besides, he has no obligation to give Max room as Max was nowhere near alongside heading into the corner and only got there because of a late-braking move; Max was always going to lock up because he braked way too late.

[@Hodor3746]

For me I thought what prevented him from a 10/10 was quali performance. But hot damn his masterclass defense vs Max was *chef’s kiss

[@denisk4074]

I think next year you should add a "team rating" to this segment

[@fuzzy93]

hmm yuki crashed out in quali tho, and how can u give Daniel such a low score when the team gave him the worst strategy ever? apparently this rating is not based on driver performance but based on finishing positions ay yay ay

[@MicroStaticSA]

That 7 for Alonso and Max is FUCKING HILARIOUS 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The same ranking for Carlos as well, who actually had a solid race given his car 😂 Come on man, follow your rules lads

[@EasyEli]

My favorite recurring theme in these ratings: Tommy saying “And he’s beaten his teammate so I can’t give him anything less than 1 point better.” Then it pans to Matt’s face right before he’s about to give him the exact same grade as his teammate he beat

[@OG-512]

Max and Alonso could have the worst RACE EVER and Tommy would still give them 7+😂😂

[@venorando3672]

Yep, the bias is literally CRAZY! I had to take a moment to just laugh at the segment of the video where Tommy was fumbeling with words to try to make excuses for Max. LIKE HOW IN THE WORLD WAS THAT CRASH NOT DESERVING OF A PENALTY!?

[@neilcrasto7246]

@@venorando3672 exactly...he has always been super biased towards MAX...

[@Wolfywolf7]

The only thing that drops Max's rating is the move on Lewis that he did. He was driving a boat, and he had every right to be upset on the radio. If he hadn't screwed up the move on Hamilton, that's an easy 9 right there, given the circumstances. But hey, most all F1 media feels incredibly anti-Max these days, so...what can we really do.

[@Wolfywolf7]

@@venorando3672 It would have been a post-race investigation, and I think they want to avoid doing that if possible. Then again, he already basically got penalized by losing two positions, so I don't think any more really needed to be done.

[@lostmind24]

That’s not an excuse , the boat should have finished p3 but his frustration got the better of him

[@martininho001]

Lol 9 for Yuki is hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. Don’t like the criticism of the ratings, fine. But if you can’t take it don’t dish out such ridiculous scores. How is 7 GENEROUS? I’m no DR fan but I watch week on week and you basically either ignore the man or slag him off. The Yuki obsession has to stop.

[@tak8261]

I am very happy for Oscar but he didn’t deserve a 10. 10 implies he had a flawless race, but as others pointed out already, he ran off track twice and ultimately did not have the same pace as Lando in the final stint so probably 9 is the best he deserves.

[@justice4g]

FYI, Daniel was .3 seconds / lap quicker than Yuki in their final stint on hards where Daniel actually pitted earlier.

[@aryapalla2491]

Drs boost from the slower cars in front of Daniel and the lack of drs from yuki who was behind a merc and holding off Aston’s muddies the data, the pace difference should be understood with full context

[@justice4g]

@@aryapalla2491 traffic wasn't a factor in the 30 laps I'm referring to up until the blue flags, Daniel was quicker this weekend and has had the best tyre management on the grid recently. They might have been running different setups but Daniel had his car dialed in by FP2 for a change and that makes a big difference for him.

[@purpledavio]

Daniel had the best tyre management when yuki was literally the only driver to do a one stop LOOOOOOLL

[@MrArim316]

​@@purpledavio people are forgetting that ricciardo did 40 laps on the medium tyre last year at the same track. 30 laps on the medium would have been a walk in the park for him

[@alanhart8111]

Tyre management. Tsunoda didn't need to push at beginning of stint but preserved to keep some left for the aston martins attacking him towards end. Ricciardo died off last ten laps as he pushed hard from start of stint. This is why you can't use stats to rate a performance. It's all circumstancial.

[@sidewalkere]

Don't know what's more ridiculous, both your SEVENs for Max, who didn't took himself out of the race by sheer luck, or the community's 6 for Danny Ric, who got robbed of a P9 by his team's appalling strategy.

[@solveigskorstad5818]

Such a fantastic season and you make it so much better with your videos!❤

[@JMRope]

If this is supposed to be purely driver ratings without factoring in team orders or strategy, Oscar and Lando should both have the same rating. They both qualified well and they both had similar race pace, Oscar a bit faster earlier in clean air and Lando quicker when he was in clean air. Oscar's only mistake was putting a wheel in the gravel a couple of times, Lando's only mistake would be the start (if you can call that a mistake). Similarly, I don't think the VCARB drivers should have different ratings. There was very little between them in qualifying (other than the crash of course but that didn't rally effect the result) and had VCARB not let the high school student on work experience decide Ricciardo's strategy it is very likely that they would have finished 9th and 10th. Unfortunately we don't know if DR could have made a one stop strategy work but even on a two stop strategy running longer on the mediums he probably would have ended up just in front of or behind Yuki.

[@trevAce350]

I don't think the Red bull strategy was as bad as Tommy thinks they were never beating McLaren and merc had two hards so they could go for the aggressive undercut and red bull tyre offset in the final stint would have gotten max 3rd if he kept a cool head

[@venorando3672]

Plus,that EXACT strategy has worked many times in Hungary before for multiple drivers and multiple teams. It’s not even a bad strategy! It was Max’s fault for not making it work.

[@OreoForRuario]

It's not on, lads. You rightfully point out McLaren had had the best car for the past 5 races, yet Max has still scored the most points of anyone. Hamilton has also outscored Norris. But you expect a guy who currently has 1 fortunate race win to suddenly start winning every race and overturn a 76 point deficit, which is not far from double the biggest points deficit ever overcome. And you think Max Verstappen is going to be on the receiving end of that? Mathematically possible, but I wouldn't bet on it this year. McLaren could be favourite for constructors though.

[@sarabeth7415]

Completely disagree with the rating for Daniel- he didn't bin his car in qualy but got screwed over by his team on strategy. Yuki does deserve a good score for the race but it shouldn't be that much higher than Daniel. An 8 for Daniel would be more like it. His pace was much faster than Yuki during the race as well.

[@nick4830]

Yuki Tsunoda: outqualified by teammate, crashes out, moves up 10th -> 9th coincidentally left by said teammate having shit strategy call but faster lap pace = practically a 10/10 drive. I hope to one day find someone with the absolute stan-level of support you guys show Yuki.

[@vladesolo9458]

I KNOW RIGHT

[@Wolfywolf7]

Darn, it seems like 1/3 of all comments on these driver ratings are Danny Ric fans finding something to complain about. A 7 is completely fair, as he was screwed over, and deserves the benefit of the doubt. However, you can't just give him an 8 or a 9 as if you _knew_ he would have nabbed more points than Yuki with his same strategy. That's just grading based on what-ifs.

[@nick4830]

@@Wolfywolf7 Danny Ric is irrelevant to this discussion. Yuki going from 10 -> 9 while one driver/ in front of him dropped back is not an exceptional drive--it's decent.

[@Wolfywolf7]

@@nick4830 I misread your original comment. That's my bad.

[@Dehota]

Rb handed Daniel’s points to yuki

[@captainross4706]

No, Danny got screwed by his strategy but Yuki took his fate in his own hands by making the one stop work and working well with his engineers. He wasn’t handed anything, It was a fantastic drive.

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

Given the level of operational/strategic mistakes by the teams, let alone the mistakes by the drivers (obviously I'm not talking about _every_ team and driver!), I'm wondering if everyone is just plain exhausted! I come from a time when the number of races they've already done this year was more than the entire season used to be. I predicted that with more races, there would be more mistakes across the board, and it appears to me to be coming true. The heat probably didn't help matters, either. This isn't aimed at anyone specifically, either negatively or trying to cover for them, it's a general remark.

[@wise4833]

I don't think people also realize not everybody can be a genuinely generational talent and be flawless especially if not sesosned long enough

[@thokoZ]

Everybody but redbull appreciating yuki’s performance. Plus that strategy was bizarre too, just like ricciardo’s. Like Williams last year making albon do one stops

[@sandalphoncpu]

It really isn’t considering Ricciardo was able to get points from the same strategy a couple of races ago. The car has great tire deg on C3+ tires that’s why Ricciardo’s early stop was beyond questionable

[@tak8261]

@@sandalphoncpu LOL So your logic is that Daniel made a one-stopper work in another race in another track and therefore there is nothing special about what Yuki did. Man these delusional DR fans sound like they are not allowed to say a single word of praise for Yuki. Everything is always about how Yuki is lucky or Yuki getting better treatment.

[@staldion7039]

@@sandalphoncpu Massive Ricciardo fan here, but that's just a bad take lmao. Just because Yuki made a bizarre strategy work, doesn't mean it wasn't bizarre. He drove great to keep his tyres in a place where he could benefit from other team's mistakes. Especially because Hungary is usually much harder on tyres + it was so much hotter than normal. Just because DR got a bad strategy doesn't mean that Yuki was automatically gifted 9th. He still had to earn it.

[@wolfie54321]

@@tak8261 Tsunoda was lucky that the cars in front went on softs so had compromised strategy, and DR had the most insane strategy (effectively had a soft strategy, which was already obviously a bad strat, but he did that strat on mediums for no good reason). It's hard to say Yuki did awesome when all the cars around him were on awful strats.

[@tak8261]

@@wolfie54321 of course, as always, Yuki does well it’s all luck or it’s just the car, Daniel does well it’s all thanks to his great driving skills and experience. Sure thing. What’s so f*ing hard about just appreciating the fact that he made a one stopper work on a track that everybody else had at least 2 stops (some had to go for three) and even then struggling with degradation. They opted for a one stopper because he had a chance to run in clean air, but doesn’t make it automatically easy to execute, and towards the end he had to fight off the Aston’s chasing him on much fresher tyres and succeeded in doing so.

[@markbroadheaf1593]

I think in this case of Landos start, he essentially avoided a collision with Piastri at the first corner as Oscar really sent one and drove both Lando and Max wide.. Point taken though it’s Landos Achilles heel right now.

[@adamheddle430]

Also McLaren confirmed he’s had a glitch in the car which made the shift up to 2nd slow

[@Muzz76]

😂 How do you discount the team radio antics in Max’s score? His demeanor played a large role in the way he raced and ultimately where he finished. Dude was road raging and compromised his own race. Plenty of drivers suffer from bad strategy values from time to time but don’t implode the way he did. His desperation move cost him a place to not only Hamilton but to Leclerc as well.

[@venorando3672]

We have to remember that the driver plays a massive role in making strategy calls! Feedback from the driver is vital! And Max gave Red Bull a difficult situation by acting the way he did. Also keep in mind how Max decided to shred his hard tires in that third sting when GP had to tell him over the radio to calm down and preserv his tires, which also set him up for faliure in overtaking Lewis later on. Just last weekend, Matt and Tommy gave Piastri a higher rating than Norris PURELY due to his strategy calls. But I guess we can just ignore that when we’re talking about King Max 🙄

[@JohnTaylor-mf3er]

​@@venorando3672 it's king maxi-pad mate let's not forget

[@Azmania3000]

Max being a douche gets bonus points for the entertainment value. Haven't laughed that hard in a while

[@wise4833]

​@@venorando3672If you think a title leading driver complaining about his race is difficult for you to understand.. perhaps take a break on this one

[@thomasheap1575]

how the hell did you give tsunoda a 9 and daniel a 7? wtf? imagine naming a channel "wheel knowledge" and then showing you have none. no wonder you changed it 😂

[@mauriciosrv]

All the reasons you gave to score Perez applied 100% to Yuki as well....yet their scores were so different. Yuki also crashed in quali, even LOST places during the race.

[@JMRope]

I'm as keen as anyone to criticise Yuki but when he started 10th and finished 9th how do you calculate that he lost places during the race?

[@belladonnaRoot]

Oscar looks down from the top step of the podium, and despite the shenanigans it took to get there...looks at the Alpines in P18 and DNF and goes "Crikey, I made a marvelous choice joining McLaren."

[@belladonnaRoot]

And yeah. Aston. Alonso is moving mountains to make room for Lance to be mediocre. It's such a waste of his talents. I hope he's at least satisfied with successfully managing to do that. The upshot of the McLaren fiasco is that Oscar and Lando are at least working together, and the team wants to keep neutral between the drivers. Both drivers (and the team itself) can go to the team and say "the omelet got made, but how do we avoid you getting egg on everyone's faces in the future"

[@huh4206]

9 for yuki and 7 for daniel despite daniel being faster throughout qualifying, practice and race, and only lost out on guaranteed points because of strategists being stupid?

[@aratakeneikawa6589]

Yes. Also yuki looked faster in quali....

[@ramirovillarreal5666]

Stop craying ...please

[@huh4206]

@@aratakeneikawa6589 he wasn't.

[@huh4206]

@@ramirovillarreal5666 "craying"? lol

[@tak8261]

Whaaaaaaa 😂😂😂😂😂 First of all Daniel compromised both his and Yuki’s race at the beginning because he was so obsessed with blocking Yuki and ended up getting overtaken by two others cars in the meantime. Then later when realistically Yuki was the only one with a chance of scoring points and his job at that point should have been to help Yuki, he didn’t even bother putting up a fight against the Astons so they breezed thru him. I get he thinks he is currently fighting for that Redbull seat but man that was a really selfish drive by Daniel.

[@saintuk70]

Yes, Lando needs to improve his starts, however, he's really gentle on those tyres in the first stints of each tyre - why he really manages to "floor" it later.

[@heavenbitz]

overall starts arent his strong suit but this start wasnt even his fault because he had a shift glitch. lost a lot of revs then got squeezed in a three wide.

[@Ryan-m7u]

Alonso got 10/10 last year for the 2nd fastest car to finish on podium and now for Hamilton's performance they give 9/10 😅😅😅 lol this two are so afraid of being labelled as being biased towards a British driver that they are putting down Hamilton every single time he performs lol.

[@Ryan-m7u]

Or they genuinely hate Hamilton that much😅

[@grogg2243]

Genuinely don't think Max's strategy was bad. Hamilton pit very early in the first stops (and suffered for the whole stint because of it) making it fairly stupid to pit at the same time. As a result Max had a huge pace advantage for the rest of the race and had opportunities to overtake but messed them up. Also he would have been even quicker on the final stint if he followed the strategy and brought the tyres in gently.

[@richardthompson6321]

Maybe Alex Albon deserves a higher grade as he's having to successfully fight off the P1 curse while also racing. Maybe he's really running a 8-9th place if you hadn't given him the curse.

[@Razor921]

I don't really agree with Max being rated higher than Perez in this one. Yes, Perez had to recover from another crash in quali, but if we judge the race, which you guys keep saying is what matters the most, then he kept his nose clean and finished as high as he possibly could have given his abhorrent qualifying. Meanwhile, Max qualified well and yes the team botched the strategy, but he could and should have finished P3 either way. The only reason he's P5 is because he, quite frankly, got impatient. Racing incident or not, he was still the one who lost control of his car and put it in that position. Perez got the best possible result he possibly could have in the race, while Max bottled what should have been a podium into a P5.

[@MarkDavison-mk9bp]

Max could literally start last and yeet half the grid at the first corner and Tommy would still give him at least a 7

[@OG-512]

Same with Alonso😂

[@bogdanmihai7106]

Jsut as Matt would give a 7 at least to lecrelc. And I'm don't lile Max. Fans will be fans. 😂... Max is a wonder child that knows only ro race and acts like a spoiled kid.

[@sadikurrahman4833]

It’s more alonso than anyone else

[@camcambambam5128]

Max got a bad strategy and got hit by Hamilton, how could you give him any worse? Still finished 5th after going airborne

[@cameron8858]

@@camcambambam5128got hit by hamilton? 💀 more like contact was made cuz that’s not on hamilton

[@Andrea-vl6mf]

How can you give 7 to max? when he started 3rd, and Finished 5th with the 2nd fastest car? Saved himself with pure luck from 2 penalties,and lot of mistakes during the race ? The strategy was "terrible" but Max did not help either by Pushing too hard too soon Stop being biased, for real. You gave Perez a 5 and George a 6 , both of them Drive a good race and deserve higher scores since they came from very far back and both got goods points...

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

I feel like the strategy did well to stuff a number of drivers out of decent results and this is very much a strategy, low overtaking circuit so, strat will play a significant factor in the ratings today.

[@naturewins]

How can you give Yuki a 9, he destroyed his car in qualy... Too generous

[@e.1067]

Honestly i don't agree with Oscar's 10 and Lewis's 9. Oscar had an abysmal final stint and made mistakes that would have costed him a lot. He gets a 9 for everything else, but i wouldnt say it was "Perfect", he should have at the very least caught up to Norris but he couldn't. And with Lewis it's the total opposite, he really maximized everything he could in the race, Red Bull was definitely faster(Max started to catch up to Lando the second he got some clean air) but he made a great defense, his start was so good to the point that he was actually ahead of Norris until Max decided he had enough of the green side and joined the track. He really couldn't have done more. Speaking of Max, he really had the worst race of his in at least 3 seasons, i'm shocked that you guys gave him a 7? The lap 1 behaviour, constant whining on the track, and more importantly throwing a nearly definite p3 out to lose patience and divebomb into Lewis was crazy. He gets a 6 at most, if Charles had behaved and fumbled the bag even half as much as Max he would get a 4.

[@Billnam691]

Please be honest for me once you meet drivers, especially ones you enjoy being with. Does it earn an extra point in the ratings. (Ocon) Enjoy all your shows!!!!

[@luke7842]

They put Zhous steering wheel on upside down so he had to turn right for the left turns and left for the right turns. Considering that it was easily a 10/10 drive.

[@blatherama]

You missed that Zhou was feeling sad for the way Lando was being manipulated by the McLaren team. Totally ruined his race.

[@sanderdeboer6034]

Thinking about the team radio argument that is used a lot, namely that kids are listening, I feel this is an unfair one. Considering the fact that the radio calls need to be selected by the director(s) of the broadcast. They can choose to just leave them out of the broadcast but obviously love them for entertainment purposes. Kids are not a consideration it seems, rather hypocritical!

[@bhavmak6897]

Danny Ric at least a 8 or 9. Yuki should not be higher. Driver rating needs to rate the driver not the team, either split it up or take into consideration

[@captainross4706]

He made a one stopper work when no one else did and finished p9. He had to physically drive the car for 70 laps and he achieved that result.

[@justice4g]

You asked the question if you should continue doing this with all the flak you get, it's a good format but you need someone doing a deep dive into the data, the radio comms etc, even through practice to get a full picture as driving performance is just a small variable in the scheme of things.

[@wise4833]

Don't think it's that deep mate

[@justice4g]

@@wise4833 if you mean it's not important that they get it right then sure but it is that deep when strategy, set up and other random factors affect their races way more often than their driving.

[@infusechizle253]

Lando had a gearbox glitch at the start shifting into second so couldn't help it

[@a3-radio]

He always has something

[@andilentanjana6359]

And the other times he's lost the lead off the start? Same thing?

[@infusechizle253]

@@andilentanjana6359 I'm only explaining this time no need to be cutthroat so fast

[@066kshitizvsingh4]

​@@andilentanjana6359 I mean, McLaren came out with the explanation themselves for this race atleast.... so, yeah for this race its true.

[@cooldavidjohn]

I greatly enjoy watching all of your contents in KZbin. Will be interesting to see you do Team Rating like the Driver Ratings.

[@ThePandaMan2]

Keep the series up!

[@errikos9968]

Lando had a glitch with finding second gear causing him to lose a lot speed when he got the 2nd gear. Also mclaren said from the start of the race that after lap 40 there was no racing between them.

[@hakshustletv]

This is arguably LH worse season in terms of form and consistency in Quali, it's felt like George has outperformed that Merc on several occasions and has been arguably a top 3-4 driver on the grid this year yet Ham is 9pts ahead despite being outqualified 10-3 in favour of Russ. Let that sink in lol That honestly says a lot about Hams racing. If he didn't have such poor qualifying this year, I honestly think he would be fighting for that 3rd place in the championship.

[@BHE.Motorsport]

SEEMS LIKE WE ALSO NEED TO START RATING THE TEAMS... WHAT YOU THINK?

[@typicole5455]

Driver ratings is honestly my favorite p1 segment, but I feel like there should be decimal points. For example Tommy gave kmag a 5 and had good reasoning and then gave Nico a 6 with the reasoning that he did better than his teammate so he cant have the same grade. Allowing Nico to have a 5.5 makes the grading more accurate imo. And then Matt and Tommy will also disagree more which is always fun

[@tigerpjm]

People who (for some reason) point out that Oscar wasn't gaining on Lando in the third stint need to explain why he would chew up his tyres chasing and then driving in the dirty air when he was told Lando would concede the place? What's the benefit in doing that? Is that good racing? What happens if there was a pace car and he's left on shagged tyres chasing a team mate he didn't have to? Ridiculous.

[@bill4665]

Giving Lando a 9, when if it Oscar wasn't his teammate, he would have ran off with it at the end, is OUTRAGEOUS. I get he got done on the start, but this is meant to be a measurement of their performance, not their results, surely? He nailed Saturday (taking pole with ONE run, compared to Piastri and Max who had to get two in just to close than 0.250 second gap), and although he mucked up at the start, when McLaren gave him a chance to take the lead and win, he absolutely nailed it. On older tyres, being emotionally blackmailed, distracted 24/7 throughout the laps and STILL lapping upto 5 tenths a lap quicker than Oscar and ended up mugging him by 8 seconds with all that shit going on. Imo both McLaren drivers deserve a 10. Bcs realistically, if they weren't teammates, they both drove perfect races. But McLaren fucked their performances up by messing with strategy.

[@MarkDavison-mk9bp]

Lando didn't even muck up the start, it was a car issue. His launch was amazing (Mclaren have confirmed that there was a car glitch)

[@twosnakse]

He ain’t gonna be the guy mate, stuck up attitude and doesn’t have the credentials to back it up

[@adequtemaster6802]

​@@MarkDavison-mk9bp that's some crazy cope ngl

[@Ethan8181]

Yea thats true but then he defended oscar way to much and left the door open for max which then lead to that whole swap stuff making lando losss more time. And Oscar was just better for most the race besides at the end with can argue he was managing more.​@MarkDavison-mk9bp

[@GortPredator]

You can't say he had a perfect race while also stating why he didn't have a perfect race.

[@mikelewis495]

Lando was 4 seconds behind Oscar before the pit stops. Then Oscar went wide. Lando closed up to 1.5 seconds. Then the undercut happened.

[@roysoutdoorlife]

How did Tsunoda get such a high rating after crashing in quali, yet Perez did the same but scored good points for the team in the race? Either Tsunoda should have a lower score, or Perez a slightyl higher one. P.S. not a Perez fan, just keeping it fair.

[@tonyapice1262]

Only reason I can see is that the vCarb is supposed to be fighting for p9-10 and the redbull is supposed to be fighting for podiums but I sort of agree with what your saying

[@roysoutdoorlife]

@@tonyapice1262 cheers 🙏

[@Alburaeki]

I’d love a Grand Prix rating as well, Matt & Tommy! 🤩 You know better than me what criteria you are going to rate it on.

[@bibhushanrajthala]

The bias is so mad.. i need to top watching this rating video if u guys are too biased... Max getting 7 and lando getting 9 then other many drivers wow..max didn't deserve a 7

[@creativedummyllc]

Could you guys do Team Rating as well?

[@yuk2k]

Tommy's Samurai Blue Kit is 🔥 🎌🎌🎌

[@bryan_f1i853]

The he says “entrepreneurs” always gets me😂

[@Thalanir7]

On the question of whether he would show more celebration to his second F1 win. I think all you need to do is look at his excitement for his Sprint pole & victory in Qatar last year.

[@sumandark8600]

With regards to Norris's start in Hungary, his car had a fault that meant when he tried to go into second, he lost a ton of revs Yes, recently he's had a few poor starts, but this one wasn't his fault

[@Tohardtomakeachannel]

Max getting a 7 is laughable. One of the worst races hes had recently where he should of been up fighting for atleast P2.

[@collins98]

How can Oscar get a 10 when he went in the gravel 3 times in the race (2 real, 1 touch). Nobody seems to remember this, its why Lando caught him so fast. I really like Oscar but it should've been a Lando win.

[@adamheddle430]

I think lando had a better race than Oscar. May be controversial but lando didn’t make any mistakes during the race and the start wasn’t his fualt as well

[@VjRj84]

max 7 lol, whining, crashing and getting a car that should be p3(even after both pits, all he had to do was make a normal overtake) to p5. i give him a 3 instead of 2 because of the stamina to cry.

[@evandrochaves9596]

Wish my whole monthly pay wasn't worth less than 300 pounds so I could sign up to square space to make a website about how we love p1 driver ratings

[@AxelRod-n3l]

Man this two genuinely hate Hamilton so much that they had to give him 10/10 last time because he won flawlessly otherwise even he claims podium in 3rd fastest car is not enough for them to give him10/10 lol

[@TheNyishi]

It's funny how Lando dive bombing was a masterclass and max dive bomb careless