Our Gas RV Experience - Noise, Ride & Performance

Diesel vs. Gas will always be a huge debate when buying a new RV. With this video we bring you along for a ride in our RV up hills, on crappy roads, nearly perfect roads and share our experience through the entire trip. Since we’re in Alaska the scenery and wildlife is absolutely stunning too. We hope this video helps in your decision on which RV is better: Gas or Diesel.
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[@thomaskatayama3336]

On my 2009 34ft gas coach, I installed Koni FSD shocks which really helped with the jarring ride. I also added a rear track bar that helped with the swaying. I then added the Safe-T-Plus steering control just in case I ever had a front tire blow out and it also kept the steering on-center. In regards to the shift timing, I installed an after market tuning package which used the lower end hp/torque more efficiently so that it wouldn't go into high rev mode and make so much noise. I've now upgraded to a 41ft. diesel pusher with a tag axle and with Newmar's Comfort Drive. It's like going from a delivery truck to a luxury vehicle.

[@gphilipc2031]

A friend of mine's Dad purchased a nice little Chevy RV. He was a superior craftsmen...went around to EVERY draw and door and installed little stick on cork mutes. Virtually eliminated rattle.

[@alanhester9984]

I have owned 2 gas motor homes, currently a 04 35' Winnebago class A. I agree with everything you said in the video about the annoyances of a gas chassis. Though my sister and husband bought a 40' diesel pusher and it went in the shop every time they used it for huge repair bills. While they owned it they always were jabbing how great theirs was to mine. After they sold it my brother in law said he would never buy one again and would buy one like mine that was simple coach and on a simple Ford chassis as I have had almost no repair issues in 14 years. But if you want the big coach with the big fridge, bath all the bells and whistles you have to step up to a diesel that can move the weight.

[@rsg1963]

Nice review team! I respect that you are not afraid to bite the hand that is helping feed you and keeping it honest. We have a 5th wheel with a Cummins Dually Diesel pulling it and find many similarities to what you found. I'd only emphasize the braking effectiveness more. Our service brakes are used about 50% less due to a proper tow/haul mode combined with the engine brake. In fact there are times when no one follows us off an exit where we can safely slow to 5mph without any service brakes at all. And coming down a steep 6 percent grade is easy and stress free as the system downshifts to 5th gear (6 total gears in our tranny) and does all the work for us except steering... :-) All of this results in far more safety from not overheating service brakes and much less maintenance over the long haul. This all adds up over time. Our total weight is 28k pounds per a CAT scale and the diesel and engine brake makes going up or down hills a breeze. Also we just completed a coast to coast trip and found Diesel cheaper than gas often. Again, as you mentioned this changes with market conditions. Thanks again for sharing!

[@46619TAB]

My husband and I have been planning early retirement for years with the intent of selling it all, except the 2 Greyhound, buying a motor home and being gone. When we began shopping, we had to consider we're two guys both 6'4" with 2 large dogs so it was direct to Class A. We're paying cash for the coach, want new but would be ok with a gently used 1 to 2 year old, and our budget gave us a max range of 200K-250K which allowed a pretty wide assortment of makes and models to weed thru. We also want a dishwasher and a washer/dryer, we're living in our house not camping so after much research - features, reliability, engine types etc, Thor's tag axle Tuscany model tops the list. Thanks for posting this test of a gas engine Class A, it seems the features of diesel that are sacrificed to save a few bucks aren't worth it especially if the place is intended as a full time address.

[@HRMcKee]

+46619TAB you guys really should google neXus bentley- i really think you will want one- no comparison fully customized your way $196k

[@josephhicks6989]

I have a older gas unit and put about 15 thousand in upgrading the engine, put on high performance fuel rods and injectors opened up the intake and rebuilt the whole exhaust, it is a beast and does not make much noise going up hills anymore, it's not cheap but it can be made to ride smoth and quiet.

[@Kenscialoia]

i am so glad i got to hear the noise of the RV and feel the stress at different speeds, i am not sure i want to put myself threw it.

[@johnfarmer6363]

it was great hearing such honest and candid feedback regarding gas vs diesel coaches. Would love to see you guys evaluate and travel in a fifth wheel RV towed by a diesel truck.

[@eaveskc]

You can help the cruise control out by applying throttle at the bottom of the hill. You can build up momentum this way. The problem is the cruise control doesnt apply throttle until it sees like a 3 mph drop, and by that time, youve lost too much momentum for it to catch up.

[@Yanmarman1]

I've had 5 gas coaches, they were all Ford chassis except for one that was a Chevy, I am not a Ford guy but when it comes to a gas motorhome the picking is slim. Few months ago I got rid of our last gasser and went to a Diesel Pusher. Besides power and ride there are more things that I've found way better on a Diesel. Much better insulation throughout the coach, way easier to cool and heat, when it rains you don't here the pitter patter on the roof near as much as the gassers. Storage. Much much more storage inside and out, better quality sinks, shower, faucet's, toilet. Right now I would never go back to a gasser I'm way to spoiled with my DP. Thanks for the videos keep em coming...

[@MarneenZahavi]

Use Tow/Haul mode uphill also. Tow/Haul does tow things...it reduces the frequency the transmission will shift and will keep you in the lower gear longer. Therefore, it will lower transmission temperature and give you a better climbing experience. Next , as you already use it, it drops into lower gear a lot sooner and stay in it a lot longer to slow you down. (you already know that)

[@d.b.cooper6112]

Want to avoid transmission problems: shift slower from Park to Drive...Enjoy the vids and I'm sticking with diesel....

[@smacdiesel]

The best review ever! I did a ton of upgrades on my suspension, it helped a lot, but I think your summary was perfect. You two are the best!

[@calicojunctionisclosed]

Reviewing this series again as time is getting very close to purchase. Love that Zigga comfortable anywhere

[@xenophon456]

Great Video. (all of your videos are great). I went from Cummings with a fifth wheel to the V-10 and the high rpm's really took some getting use to. I was really nice to see your video verifying some of the things I have been experiencing and having concerns about. You guys are awesome.

[@brandonhawkins3266]

I have a 2017 Thor Hurricane on the Ford 53 chassis , changing the factory set on the sway bars helps with the swaying.

[@gajitable]

Thank you so much for doing that. This was invaluable in trying to figure out what coach to buy.

[@bobferguson1144]

My wife and I. have owned, driven and lived in both gas and diesel class A coaches. it took two years for us to decide to switch to diesel. All the things you mentioned in your excellent video were true 10 years ago as well as today. Give me diesel anytime. the advantages outweigh the differences in fuel costs. Diesel units are quieter, fuel efficient,and the cruise control coupled with 6 speed transmission is the best and a benchmark for class A coaches. we took a trip fro west Tennessee to north Pennsylvania through the Alleganies. 10 miles per gallon solid both ways (uphill and down). 1000 miles=100 gal. of fuel. convinced us of a good choice. thanks for confirming what we experienced was real for gas and diesel units.

[@0HARE]

Thanks for another great video. This was very interesting and informative. Last year, I bought a Ford F-350 diesel truck to pull our travel trailer. It pulls like a dream, but 95% of the time, I'm not pulling the trailer. Been thinking about going back to a gas powered truck, but this video points out some very important advantages of the diesel engine - torque, power, reliability, fuel economy under a load, hill climbing, and hill descending. We'll be considering all of this when deciding on our next tow truck. All the Best to y'all, and Happy Trails!

[@sheldonduffy9442]

Sounds like you need to add more insulation to your doghouse cover. I had to do this to my Class C. It made a HUGE difference in sound.

[@cmdrbroadslide5878]

We purchased a 34' Forest River Georgetown with a 2008 Ford gas chassis in June of 2015. Like you, we noticed when using the "Tow/Haul" mode is that it effects the transmission shifting, especially on inclines and with the cruise control on. With Tow Haul on, it doesn't downshift as violently or over-rev the engine. This took practice to get it down and we went through some states and never took it out of Tow/Haul mode; but it gave us a more relaxing ride. Average MPG was 7.2, an increase from the 6.5 MPG from when we first purchased the rig.

[@mdr77]

Hi Wynns, after watching a lot of your videos and researching class A motorhomes for 6 months I bought a 2016 Thor Mirmar 33.5. We loved the floor plan, but I was not a fan of the V10 drive train or the ride of the motorhome. The price difference for gas vs diesel motorhomes is what made us choose gas. At first I felt like I made a 115k mistake but after some researching I found two upgrades that fixed all the problems with gas motorhomes “almost”. 1st fix is from supersteerparts.com; I installed the steering & suspension kit and what a difference! It completely changed the way it rides, almost no sway even in strong wind. It was not a cheap fix but worth the price of the kit. 2nd fix is from 5 star tuning.com; I installed the sct tuner with the banks kit and there was a big difference in power and shifting performance. On the first trip after install I averaged 7.9 mpg with towing a jeep wrangler, stock I was getting 6mpg on a good day. I now fear no hills and just cruise right up them. The two upgrades costed about 4k and 10hr to install. It is well worth the money and time. I love your guy’s videos! I think at this point you guys just need your on TV show!!!!!

[@draxxes1]

I commented before on your other video gas vs diesel before you guys purchased the new gas RV. You're pros and cons was exactly what I said on my comment, including seeing lots of moose on the road! :D

[@vittorioviarengo]

Thanks for all the great info. These gas engines are not well tuned out of the factory. I used a custom tuning from ultrapower and got like 60 additional HPs. Also, my 2018 Bounder 35K would not go faster than 65 MPH. With the custom tuning it goes all the way to 80. Life is good. I strongly recommend it. Also, I too upgraded the sound insulation of the dog house and the ride is much quieter. You got to install the reinforced sway bars on these gas chassis or you wobble back and forth all the time.

[@MrPotomas]

For someone who doesnt own a coach yet, and is debating gas vs. diesel, this is very helpful. For me, the driving part, the actual traveling part, is very important. But to make a better decision, next time maybe you should just take me with you. That way I can make a better determination as to acceleration and noise. Great video!

[@gonewiththewynns]

+Ron Manning ha ha, that is what test drives are for! so glad you found it helpful! -nikki

[@gphilipc2031]

I grew up with heavy equipment...my dad was in the bizz. I had a '64 Chevy Dump Truck with an in-line Six 300 cid. I used it up and had it rebuilt. While I was waiting I dropped a 230 in it 'cause i was making a few buckz (very few) hauling "spillway" dirt (river-sand) from the Mississippi River. God it was an experience. The modern stuff is a dream by comparison, Gas OR Diesel.

[@cindyweber7652]

Enjoyed the video. First time RV owners, 2 years in and we have a gas model. Your video encompassed many of our complaints. We love our MH in spite of these issues because it enables such a wonderful lifestyle. (still just part time and envy the heck out of all you full timers) You did give us a little chuckle Nikki with your slip of the tongue, we call them provinces. lol Keep doing what you are doing.

[@LightLynne]

Great video Wynns! I enjoy all your videos, informative, fun and some cool information even for those of us who have been full timing it for 20 years... (to be fair.. on and off fulltiming, as a great deal of the time we also owned a home). We have a diesel engine in our bus (older model engine, so our fuel bill is a bit higher than newer diesels!). We have a Bluebird Wanderlodge, she's metal, a beautifully kept up 1991 model. People see her and think she is brand new. Being a diesel, we actually have to keep our speed is pretty constant, and we most times pass the big rigs up and down hills and mountains. The slowest we have cruised has been 45 mph in the Colorado Rockies and a couple places in the Sierra Nevada Mountains on the steepest upgrades. In the normal mountains, we have to be mindful to slow down to be safe. Our Bluebird can run at 85 mph (or faster -- don't ask) on the straight highways. IF we do not keep our minds about us, we can get going too fast because our Blue rides so darn nicely. Speeds like that are not so safe, not so fuel economical! Point being, we do not lack in power to climb most mountains and definitely have no issue keeping up with any lawful speed limit! Blue being all metal means she would be safe in an accident in most cases. But being such a big girl, Blue's weight is up with Prevost in size and weight, so that does take down our fuel efficiency. We do have a tag axle, so sway in nearly none existent, and we enjoy that a great deal. WE LOVE our three ways to slow and stop our big old Blue (engine retarder, Jake brake, foot pedal brake). We feel extremely safe to have two back ups to our regular braking system). The cruise control in our bus is awesome, and keeps us at steady speed, and is smooth when it needs to shift. Our "pluses" outway our "minuses" overall. Our noise factor is far less than most gas models as our diesel is, of course, in the rear. So that is another big plus. So all in all, we pay more for fuel due to our older diesel than newer diesels, our ride is way smoother than gas models with short axle separation and their long rear hang over of the coach, after the axle. Our rear axles are very far back, which prevents sway both side to side and up and down. Of course, our tag axle prevents a lot of sway, also. We love our three way braking. In our estimation, we love a diesel and would never choose a gas RV for 90% of our needs and preferences. Our big negative is that our model has an older diesel in her and it is not very fuel efficient. But we love our Blue! Thank you Wynns for all your videos, information, and for sharing your magical adventures! Happy trails to all you RVers out there. Now go out and have some adventures! The Blues and Bodie (our Aussie travel pup)

[@louisthomas8408]

Lynne Dee Barrett I love your comments do you have a pic of old blue. Happy trails to you also.

[@CampervanKevin]

I had a 95 Bounder with a 460 v8. Now I have a 99 Shuttle Bus/RV with the V10. I like the V10 but I liked the 460 much better. It felt like better power/shifting for me. I could constantly get 10 mpg out of my 34 foot Class A.

[@nealdavis350]

Excellent information! Thank you! I lean strongly toward a diesel pusher, but my wife is not fully convinced yet. I think this video will end her indecision. Thanks again!

[@wyattandjosie]

Our Holiday Rambler Vacationer V10 is exactly as you described. At 36-37 feet long, the V10 struggles a bit up steep grades. The pro`s of a gas engine for us are that they are a bit easier for the do it your self oil and filter changes. Thanks for the videos and safe travels.

[@bobferguson1144]

From West Tennessee to northern Pennsylvania through themountains we purchased 200 gallons and drove 2000 miles total. A solid 10 mpg made us believers forever. the other advantages were just gravy. love diesel and your videos.

[@camperatwill3951]

Man you hit everything 100% about the gas coach. The ride, the back and forth rocking, the cruise and mileage. You operate the cruise just like I do on mine. I own a Tiffin Allegro Open Road. I really like the mid ship entrance the low maintenance cost and the mileage is doable. I get 8.5 mpg average. You did a great video as it is a great way for someone to experience a gas coach without actually driving one. Thanks and enjoy your journey.

[@Boondockabillies]

We're more interested in trying a diesel RV in the future now. The shifting and noise are unpleasant in a gas RV, but we didn't realize how much til you folks pointed it out. Love your videos, Wynns :)

[@edsi979]

I always think its funny when people complain about the noise. Simply put if your house was in an earthquake that is what it would sound like. Most noise is our own doing on what we pile into the cabinets. I have wondered what the V10 would be like in a class A. We have a 31' Class C with the V10 and it handles as expected for a house on wheels. Going up hill mostly we drop to only about 60 from 65. I'm still passing most DP's and truckers going up hill. Diesel is costly to upkeep but you won't have to replace it as soon. For us its about the monthly payment VS the money for adventures. If you pay a mortgage price and then can't afford the adventure you purchased a guest house and nothing more. Our RV is consider to be base camp. We hike, explore, quad ride and jeep our way through the Northwest. Its still the most economical way to travel and explore. Chip away at the noise and enjoy the adventure. Keep up the awesome videos. You guys rock. Safe and happy travels.

[@wesrobson5176]

LISTEN TO THE QUALITY WHILE DRIVING, BOOM BANG, SQUEEK, RATTLE,

[@stevesweetwater4727]

That thing sounds like it's about to break the sound barrier, good luck, stay safe.

[@gacs1973]

Lots of good info. A lot of us with the 5 speed have downloaded the 5 Star tuning upgrade which has greatly improved the shift points and cut down on the 5th to 3rd shifts. And the rumor is a reality. The 2016 Ford F53 chassis is now a 6 speed. The problem is that manufacturers are using up their inventory of 2015 chassis so a lot of"2016" vehicles are still 5 speed.

[@Mr2Reviews]

I've scoured a good chunk of the comments and I"m surprised to see no one talking about slapping a turbo on that engine. Some quick googling tells me you get a 30% boost in performance; more horsepower and a more efficient use of fuel so a higher MPG.

[@yankeeroad626]

One thing you should look at is a ECM Tune from 5 Star tuning. They specialize in RV tunes and are highly recommend from a,lot of users on a bunch of RV forums. We had purchased a 2011 Class C 30ft with the Triton v10 and it rev'ed up and screamed just like yours does in the video without really going anywhere. The tune Mad a huge difference in power. MPG really didn't change but the shift patterns are much better and it doesn't over rev like that anymore.

[@roadschooling6126]

Amen to everything you've just said in this video. I know you're trying to be nice about it, but I agree with everything you've pointed out. I own a gas coach now and we're chomping at the bit to get into a diesel coach.

[@blainekeckley2844]

Went from a Winnebago gasser to a Newmar diesel. I was worn out driving the Winnebago after 4 hours. I could drive the Newmar comfortably for 8 hours. The reduction in noise and heat because the engine was moved to the rear was always apparent. The air suspension, air brakes, and power made the Newmar a much more enjoyable unit to drive. Diesel maintenance was more expensive but much less frequent than a gas engine. That said, we have now downsized to a LTV B+ on a Mercedes Sprinter diesel. Have all the diesel advantages and much better fuel mileage.

[@HRMcKee]

+Blaine Keckley so how is it in the hills?can you stay up close to 60mph?mpg in hills?how u like the 5 speed in the Mercedes?

[@jacktracy4845]

HR McKee the Sprinter diesel is awesome. You will not be disappointed. The amount of space can be a problem. Choose you Floorplan wisely. We have a twin bed FP.

[@laurieyarnell2197]

Thank you for sharing...You two are the cutest couple. I have been learning a lot by watching your videos. Looking into buying an RV that I may end up living in.

[@MrLasmith58]

Well done and right on the nose. We have a 2014 Bounder that is gas and live in Utah. Any direction we go involves long steep hills and I am constantly hitting the cruise control on and off to avoid the whine of the engine. We do love our Bounder despite that, but know that as long as we are driving out west, 45 miles an hour is a fact of life. :)

[@Davidipac]

your videos are so honest. even "I don't know " has a genuine ring to it. let's face it, diesel is quieter and there is more power + engine brakes. phew!

[@fatguytravels7409]

Wow, going up hills it sounds like a stress-test on the engine ;) I know the V-10 is damn near bulletproof so it can handle it. Sure is loud... Lots of squeaks and rattles. Guess there is no way around that on those roads. Cool seeing some moose and a bear. Safe travels...

[@davisoregon1]

+Fat Guy Travels Right, be safe !

[@CycleDoc675]

+Fat Guy Travels I think the Wynns commented before that their GoPros seem to amplify the squeaks and rattles. My Jayco Precept sounds almost identical in that department. But the truth is I really don't notice it and I find driving my gas motorhome far less stressful and tiring on long trips than driving my Honda Pilot.

[@nathannguyen6012]

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[@darthdaddy6983]

That squeaking and knocking in the dash is likely caused by the urethane body gasket needing some help . Along with other rubber like caulking being out of its place , under the hood... the urethan bG is found on the inner upper part of the front wheel wells , make sure its stuffed tight. My 2 cents.

[@robertfoster8500]

Darth Daddy c

[@skpjoecoursegold366]

good review of engines, thanks. i do have a budget and i've only worked on gas engines, so gas for me. but if i could spend it, i'd learn diesels on youtube and buy diesels.

[@longrider50]

I know the Ford chassis is dominant in the gas rv models. A few years ago, Chevy/Workhorse came out with gas chassis (class C & A) that had higher capacities, better engines & trans than the Fords. Workhorse is coming back. A more recent model has been the Super C model, usually built on on larger truck chassis with a diesel up front. The motors/chassis come from several manufacturers, have larger carrying capacities than a gas class C & many gas class A's. I have read that many who drive their class A's a great deal have not been happy with the V-10 power train or their gas mileage, especially if their travels take them on other than level roads.

[@OUMagMan]

+Skip Hedgepath Yes, exactly 1-month with our 2013 Forest River Workhorse (couldn't 'ford a diesel) and, pretty damn happy! Mechanic for > 40 years, sooooo, I've got a "feel" for this anyway. Like the looks of some of the Fleetwoods...sounds "tinny" though. Cruise Control doesn't suit ya??? Turn it OFF!! It's not Artificial Intelligence for cryin' out loud!

[@EODHammer]

Great video's guys! The more I research, diesel sure seems to be the ticket. I have a diesel auto too and love the torque and fuel economy. I'm going to continue to look around and research, hopefully go out next week and make a move on something. Keep up the great work!

[@stevenjenkins1883]

I have read that you are supposed to downshift to D3 (or D2 if necessary) just before a significant incline or decline rather than expect the engine to downshift for you. We did this a while back when we rented a 34 foot gasser in Denver. It worked fine; we never waited for the engine to downshift for us. We were told that it was not designed to do that. The experience was indeed loud, since the area around Denver is up and down all the time. You actually become numb to it and think it is quieter than it is (just as you were saying it was not too bad but your video told a different story). We shot video and were amazed at the constant noise when we played it after getting back home. We got around 8 miles to the gallon in a Coachmen Mirada that was around 10 years old.

[@billdperry]

You might want to inquire about a performance upgrade chip for the computer that controls the engine on that coach. Might help with shifting and fuel economy.

[@CycleDoc675]

Your experience sounds identical to my 2015 Jayco Precept 29UM. Of course, it is the exact same chassis, engine, transmission, dash, etc. Yes, they all squeak and creek...it's just what houses on wheels do. So what's the upside of a gas? 1. Easier maintenance: I live in an area with very few options for service, so I do my own oil changes. 2. You can buy a high quality house for 1/3 to 1/2 the price of a diesel. 3. You still get superior performance, double the holding tank capacity, and triple the generator fuel compared to a C-class. The F-53 chassis ride and handling is far superior, IMHO, to a C-class van chassis. I know because I had a C-class prior to my A-class. Diesel is unfortunately out of the price range of most RVers purchasing or considering a gas coach. If you live in the relatively flat South like I do, a gas coach is not much of a compromise, however. Thanks for the review!!

[@sjgoltara]

We owned a gas class A six months before we traded it in on our current diesel pusher. It rides better & handles better on the roads. There is no sway and it doesn't wander like the gas one did. In the mountains the performance is much better. As to mileage, we get about 12 miles to the gallon vs. the 6 - 7 before. We love our diesel RV.

[@interstink]

Do all RVs sound like a squeaky foam cardboard box? That would drive me crazy, or do you just get used to the sound of foam on foam squeak

[@62impalaconvert]

You can also tap the brake to disengage the CC but still have it ON. Then when you want it again just select resume or set. That way you don't have to turn it fully off and on each time. Saves some button pushing.

[@debbierice4593]

While I agree [money no object] diesel, hands down is way better. I drove large diesel trucks for 35 years, and the difference in them is also huge. Tires, shocks, air pressure tuning , brand of tires in different locations. Its crazy what tuning a chassie can achieve. also it seemed to me your motorhome { a ford, another debate ] rattled a lot, I know it was a bumpy road but still. Even though there is a lot you can do to improve handling on a gasser it can never out preform a diesel. I really look forward to your youtube videos. Thank you ... Curt

[@susie3893]

Went to Alaska in June and July in our class C 2013 Forest River Solera. It is a 24 ft diesel motor home on a Mercedes chassis. We debated on buying a gas V10 Ford chassis but during the trip we were glad we spent the extra money on the diesel. It is more fuel efficient and quieter than the gas.

[@HRMcKee]

+Sandra Brown tell me how it handed these type of hills?, if it rattled like the wynns does?if you could keep it at 60mph on steeper grades?and if you could still get 14mpg in the hills?

[@susie3893]

+HR McKee It did good through the Canadian Rockies and Alaska and went right up the mountains. Pretty much got around 13 mpg while pulling a Jeep Liberty behind it in the mountains. The diesel Mercedes engine was much quieter and most of the noise I heard on the rough roads was the food storage rack.

[@HRMcKee]

wow very impressive

[@bobdanis9040]

We bought a used coach and it is a Diesel, since our budget was low and any coach we would buy would have lots of miles on it we felt that 100,000 plus miles on a Diesel was less concern than 100,000 plus miles on a gas coach. We also noticed the condition of the Diesels where generally better. We bought a 1996 Safari Sahara with around 110,000 miles on it and we couldn't be happier.

[@Vader1957]

I have owned both. If you will be taking short trips, weekends or less than 2 days of driving, gas is great. But if you are doing long trips, diesel is the only way to go. If money is an issue (and it always is). I would buy a used diesel over a new gas. And that is exactly what we did. We love our diesel coach. Keeping it is top maintenance can cost you a bit more that gas, but the first hill you drive up will have you doing a happy dance.

[@lass-inangeles7564]

Very useful post! I made extensive notes from this video in an organized list. If you ever need my written list, please ask. It is clear that diesel is far superior for long hauls and extended living. The higher cost also comes with more amenities and luxuries. I currently have a tiny 22 ft Class C 1997 Fleetwood Tioga that I bought for $11K, to see if I could handle driving RVs and if I was going to use it for trips. It was an invaluable resource when my house burned down and I had to live in it for 3 months on the street! Could not have been easier with my large dog. Hotels would have been a huge strain with a pet, and no cooking ability. Also traveling with pets, an RV is indispensable. It carries all your pet food, your food, easy toilet with no stopping for pee breaks, and handy bed without searching for motels. Now I know for sure I want to do some extended road trips like you both have done., A diesel Class A is my next purchase. If I buy a used one I won't have the high cost, and all the benefits. Thanks a lot for your demos!! They are an inspiration to us all, you both make a very cute and likable couple!

[@jglassman1122]

Were you towing during this demonstration? That's makes a huge difference

[@LetsGoRoadTrippin]

I have noticed ALL of what you mentioned. I hate delivering Gas Motorhomes. I am currently in a Thor Class A (31 foot) in Washington. I brought it from IN and going to Vancouver. I have noticed that in this one and the previous Ford V10 that the shifting is a LITTLE better. Also the RPMs are lower at 60 MPH than the ones I drove earlier this year. I think that this might be a 2016 chassis. I am not sure if I have 6 gears, but there is some improvement in the transmission. I am also a diesel fan, and would always chose diesel over gas because I have driven them :) Thanks for this video!

[@timon0x31]

We've been looking at the Thor Outlaw Class A since it's the only gas where you can get a rear deck. Basically you cannot get any toy hauler or a rear deck like the Outlaw 38RE in a Diesel as there is no room for the engine in the rear. That said, I don't understand why Ford hasn't released a version of the F-53 chassis with the 6.7l Power Stroke diesel, that they use in the F350 & F450, instead of the V10. The MSRP price difference should only be about $8,000, that what it is on the F450 between the V8 and the PS, give or take a bit. It would make for a better coach on those hills. That said it's not that hard to add some additional sound proofing to quite things down and there is something called a 5 star tuning (no comments pro or con on 5 star). Still the PS diesel would be a nice addition for some of the smaller coaches.

[@tritchie6272]

+timon0x31 I have watched some reviews of Thor super C motor coaches. Some of them are Diesel. I don't remember if the toy hauler is diesel or gas though.

[@koslund11]

Another enjoyable video from the Wynns. You guys really know how to do this the right way. I have only had gas engine trucks and vans my whole life. Wife and I purchased a new fifth wheel this spring and we picked up a diesel truck to pull it. I found that my truck would take over a minute to get to 60 miles an hour, pulling the trailer, when I don't have the tow/haul mode turned on. When on, it keeps the truck in a lower gear until I hit about 60 miles an hour and then shifts into the sixth gear. Without the tow/haul on, I don't get the good engine braking when stopping or when going down hills. I get 12.5mpg when pulling the 31ft trailer, 11.5 when I have the 17ft boat behind trailer. The surprise was when I got 21 on the highway and 18 in the city. Never go back to a gas truck. I was going to ask about the roads because Chris and G Travels had a video of some crazy roads they were on. I think you guys took a different road and you really didn't mention any really bad roads on your videos. See on the map your almost back to the lower 48. Great to see you made the journey without getting eaten by bears.

[@RebelCowboysRVs]

The first down shift is not actually a down shift, its the torque converter clutch unlocking. The difference only matters if you are trying to count an keep up with what gear you are in. I think I would have also talked about the lack of air brake application delay, not having to wait for air to build up an the lack of spring brakes. Air brakes are a whole subject by them selves though even though its linked to gas v/s diesel... Its worth addressing for people who have never drove anything with air brakes.

[@Rvdaydream]

The human brain to foot program will beat out ANY cruise control programming. Turn it off on hills. Your summarization is dead on, the key difference...Money. 1) The majority of your travels will cover areas in which Diesel fuel is more per gallon. 2) The initial cost of a diesel over gas is pretty significant. 3) The repairs and routine maintenance cost of a diesel over gas is definitely more expensive. It takes a long time of owning a diesel and you have to travel a lot of miles before the rewards of owning a diesel can ever be recognized(monetarily). So, If you get a new coach every 5-6 years you will have been paying for benefits of owning a diesel that won't be fully recognized(again monetarily). If you are buying a once in a lifetime coach and plan on keeping it for 10-20 years,, diesels will let you come out ahead in the long run...

[@jacktracy4845]

RVdaydream I’m not sure you grasped the concepts here. The question wasn’t about short/long term economics. It was about the experience of owning a gas RV vs a pusher. Really dude, you just provided a semi-irrelevant argument to justify your own decision.

[@cruzincondo3395]

A lotta useful info.....Certainly, diesels out perform gassers by an almost 3 to 1 power ratio. Factor in upkeep, whereas diesels require 24qts of oil + a $30 oil filter..... 22.5 diesel tires cost FAR more $$.. about $600 per tire (not the premium ones). Yet, larger wheels have larger disc rotors= greater braking. Keep in mind, the heavier diesel axle weights that may restrict them to truck routes only (not as scenic) Some gassers have tag axles that provide an extra set of brakes. Also, a front engine gets cooler air by being in the front of the vehicle. Diesel chassis air springs are a premium ride, for sure. Back & forth, back & forth.......bottom line, don't drive a gasser like it's a diesel (e.i. going full speed up the Colorado Rockies towing extra tonnage). Nice vid, you guys rock.

[@eddiechavez6095]

Have to be honest guys, the noise on camera was pretty substantial. I can only imagine how much louder it is being there. I would be thoroughly annoyed after a long day of driving and being subjected to that front engine noise. Was looking at a 2016 Thor Challenger but after your posting I'm rethinking diesel coaches for sure ! Thanks for posting the video. Stay safe and be good to each other.

[@rickcrabb7403]

Add Sumo Springs on front and rear and add a 5 Star tune and feel the difference in the ride and the shifting of the Ford. I have done both to mine and it's night and day difference. Going to add insulation to the engine dog house this week to cut down some of the noise. If I would have had the money to buy a diesel I probably would have but with the upgrades we've made we are very happy with our Holiday Rambler gasser.

[@gonewiththewynns]

+Rick Crabb Made some changes and we'll have a new video coming out soon!

[@bigredd5171]

Thanks for all the information. I am researching to buy my first RV and will be living in it full time. Your experience having owned both gas and diesel, is so beneficial to me as I have been looking at both. I’m glad I found you guys and will be following along. Happy trails!

[@gonewiththewynns]

Awesome! Thanks for letting us know it was helpful. Enjoy the journey!

[@TheCloudhopper]

So, if all is straight flat and smooth, no ruts, you don't really use the cruise control, don't drive up or down a hill and there are no obstacles (traffic) it doesn't matter. Up to the moment it does matter, cause there is a bend, an incline, a bad road or traffic with varying speeds. AKA "The Real World" :)

[@scrippslarry]

Love you guys! You do such a fantastic job, and we love all of your videos!

[@georgegmc6215]

Thanks Nikki, Thanks Jason, great video! Really enjoyed the information and the sites as you drove! Keep up your GREAT work/RVing! George

[@MonikaBeautyandLifestyle]

Having had a gasser and then a diesel my husband always says the diesel drives better.

[@dieselmann34]

This is a very informative video. Thank you for making it. My wife and I are going to get our first motorhome in a few years. We're just trying to do our research before buying one. The one we like is a high end C series, gas engine model. I am a diesel mechanic by trade and we're trying to find out if we can get the same coach made as a diesel. The gas sounds like it's working too hard for the good of it. And that can't be good for the trans cooler, even though that's why they are made. So in my eyes, I would go for a diesel if the cost is only 10k more or so. But if it's more than that I guess that's another thing to consider. Keep up the great videos

[@richards.4116]

Great discussion as always. we test drove gas and diesels and have similar comments. Wife felt gas model rolled and floated. So we chose a used diesel for our first.

[@MRLomax-gc1fe]

it is all about do you want to spend a 100k more on the front end with much higher maintenance costs for the diesel.

[@campbasecamping4472]

Those are actually good road conditiones compaired to some found on the I-5 in southern California. I broke my front window yesterday due to rough road conditions. Bad roads and a bad ride are a bad combination.

[@tomlivengood9674]

Campbase Camping 9uuuuuu

[@SledgeOfHouseHammer]

Instead of a blanket gas v. diesel moniker, I think most of your discussion should be titled Ford F53 vs commercial bus chassis. The F53 is one chassis style, one engine, and one transmission whereas with a RED, there are all sorts of engine options (Volvo, Cummins, Detroit, etc) and chassis options (Spartan, Freightliner, Prevost if you have the cash). The ~14 mpg v 7 mpg may be one of the biggest differences if you drive a lot and fulltime in the truck. That turns into significant money. Also if you like to visit more desolate places, the tank range is appreciated.

[@TanyaVan]

Nice to see a bengal cat judges your driving for you also. LOL Gotta love bengal attitude. :D

[@maxneathamer4080]

Great video as always guys. Here are a couple of things from me personally. I am a Chevy guy and as far as Transmissions go, its hard to beat a Allison Transmission. Much smoother. Has the breaking ability that most transmissions don't have. As far as the cruise control goes, especially on a RV, only use it on the flats. Turn it off when hills and mountains are expected. Last thing I noticed was, you were switching the tow mode on and off? when in a RV and towing a car or trailer, turn the tow mode on. Sure your in a higher gear but you also have more torque when needed especially when passing or coming up a hill as needed. Try these idea's when you top off next time and see if your fuel mileage improves? Have a great trip and be safe.. Max

[@johnlennie7470]

Loved the video. I have a gas 36' Winnebago Vista (same chassis as you). We have had a very similar experience. The only thing I did that you might want to think about is I added SuperSprings (front and back). This helped reduce sway significantly. I tow a Jeep Grand Cherokee which is very heavy and climbing mountains is brutally slow. But, I've gotten used to it. I turn the tow-haul off too when climbing. The screaming engine is worrisome to me. Funny enough, I find it breaks the monotony of the drive and I feel like a more active driver. All in though I would have had to spend about $60,000 more for a diesel version and for the few time I climb a hill I can live with it no problem. Cheers and keep the videos coming.

[@oregonsledder]

The tow selector is an advantage while climbing. It shifts the ranges down. It's not a big help going down hill.

[@GlenWFord-ps8ts]

I totally love the cat. Heard him meowing so he probably doesn`t like gas RV`S. I really like the Dutch Star 4311.

[@eddiechavez6095]

Got to be honest, the engine noise of your Fleetwood was pretty substantial. On camera it does sound loud, I can only imagine after a long day of driving the front engine noise would have me and my wife throughly annoyed. Was looking at a 2016 Thor Challenger but I guess I'm going to look a diesel coaches instead. Thanks for the video guys. Stay safe and be good to each other.

[@stoutexpress8952]

Hi Guys! My thing is road noise, power and insulation. For those reasons I'm currently building my own RV. Have FUN !!

[@clintoncohen8371]

LOL the cat is like "why are you torturing this poor RV engine"

[@carlbrothers]

The Ford gas chassis is a compromise of many parts. while they may be rated for a given load that the RV makers put on it, you are pushing many variables for driving dynamics around. Some RV makers try to bulk up the suspension by adding better sway bars(Kills that side to side that makes cooking on bumpy roads harder), adding Bilstein shocks, which take a lot of the bumps way better than factory shocks that were designed for a moderate load. Another factor is how much weight hangs past the tires, both in width (our 08 view was horrible) and length. As diesel chassis are always meant to be pushed to their upper limits, you get better transmissions, better brakes and suspensions right out of the box with less tweaking necessary. Again on the Ford Chassis, yes the cruise control is where good gas mileage goes to die when in the hills. This is likely an issue with how the brain(ECU) is programmed. Ford times for median loads to cover the most bases and when you have house on it, the equations are all off... We recently traveled many of the same roads in our gas Class C, and many of your observations are largely consistent with our experiences, but our ride quality was slightly better than what you had due to the sway bars and shocks that were added by the RV maker.

[@thesoftwareengineerguy]

I just bought a 2015 gas coach (28'). One thing I found out was that getting it aligned once you load it to travel makes a difference in handling. You almost have to get sway bars for these ford chassis's. My ideal would be a 30' diesel, but nobody makes one that I know of.

[@thesoftwareengineerguy]

+Daniel Johnson I mean a 30' diesel class A by the way.

[@mra.cortez3553]

+Daniel Johnson The Allegro Breeze Starts at 30''

[@thesoftwareengineerguy]

Alberto Cortez Is that a pusher or a Fred chassis?

[@larryandjackieoz5275]

Hay guys love your videos. I drove a diesel for about 5 years but now have a class C on a Ford frame so I don't have to tow a damn car which was a pain in the ass. I don't have any of the issues with the cruise control you mentioned. The areodetic and weight differences between a Class C and A make a big difference The Ford V10 and transmission are meant to rev high and when you have Tow Haul on it does get very noisy. One thing to remember in the gas vs diesel comparison is the cost of maintenance. When things go wrong on a diesel you are going to pay big bucks. At least the has been my experience. But if I were to buy another Class A it would be a diesel for sure. Keep up the good work.

[@davidskulstad6168]

I know that this video has been out for a while, but I just watched it, so for what is worth, late or not, here is my comment. One thing I always see when anyone is discussing fuel economy, noise, and ride problems, is that they never, ever talk about the tires. As you know, or should realize, tires are them most important component in any motor vehicle, but is often the most overlooked/ignored. Noise? Your tires make a lot of noise if they are not the right ones. Fuel economy? Tires rolling resistance/inflation pressure is a big determining factor. Handling? Tires again will determine the ability to turn or stop or roll. Ride comfort? Yes, tires again and their inflation and type of tire. Safety? Stopping, avoidance of hazards, rain performance, etc., are all functions of your tires. Those small patches where the "rubber meets the road" should never be overlooked. What kind of tires do the authors of this video have on their coach? I would like to know.

[@sidduncan5792]

I have owned both Gas and Diesel and would definitely say that the advantage to a Diesel if far greater than a Gas coach. With that said there are disadvantages to a diesel also. Maintenance is more expensive and repairs are more. But I still would recommend a Diesel unit.

[@glenyslindner1340]

More sensible use of the transmission helps. Our Chev v8 gas 32 Fleetwood was never short of power and the noise was never really intrusive.

[@theodoreschjenken153]

Valdez . Love that drive . You should try that drive in the winter. Yes that road is pretty rough but the scenery is well worth it.

[@thelongdaysofwheeling124]

The debate is pretty simple on large coaches. If you have the funds, you go diesel. Esp if you're a full timer. If you're a local weekend warrior, gas will likely save you a lot on the purchase price... but diesel is still nicer to drive. Which goes back to if you have the funds... you always go diesel.

[@motoman3290]

Put a complete Banks Power pack on it and it will keep up with anything and then you can do a gas vrs diesel comperision.

[@wynotwander7075]

We have a V10 rv, best i've had yet, th 4th gas powered rv i've had, and holds speed pretty good with most hills. what were the horse power ranges of your diesel coaches. the price difference is what keeps me in gas for now.

[@TinfoilHatGirl]

Haha so cute. You dont need a decibel meter, you have a cat meter! Smooth road - cat sleeping on the front shelf, steep incline - cat gone :D

[@tommytmt]

Loved this!! So informative AND beautiful scenery:) This video made me subscribe.

[@graymacneil]

Thanks for all your videos. I believe the cruise control on gas rvs is hard on the transmission s. I don’t use mine.