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[@Fasterproms1]

Guys thank you so much for your support! This has been an incredible ride so far and it’s just the start! Link to the KaterTot tshirts is in the description above also your support for PFI is appreciated tremendously. I can’t wait to do another project with Brent! Next few vids we change the car up a bit. It’s fun.

[@jurg1bye65]

when are you gonna bring it out on the burnout pad?^^ i wanna see those tiers pop xD

[@fredcaron1929]

Awesome Jeremy Imagine with a fancy sequential :D

[@IBatesI]

Thank you for creating this my guy, what a serires of videos this thing is insane, cant wait to see it at the track, but i think you need to figure out how to stop first haha, stay safe my dude!

[@Mrrandom8052]

I just have to say brent is a genius with the tuning

[@__Gw]

To the fucking moon Jeremy!!!!! Great work and great video!

[@PFIBrent]

I had such a good time tuning and ripping with my buddies . What a crazy quarantune we experienced . Way appreciate everyone that supported on the merch side and gave us all such motivation. You all are ,an inspiration and we are so grateful for this community you all are Rad! Oh and the new Joker definitely stole my chuckle. 💪🏼🇺🇸🦅

[@von...]

are you guys going to stay there long enough for me to priority ship yall a proportioning valve for the brakes? I will send it either way, but I was you to feel the reduction in braking sketchy-ness if yall are still going to be there! all ya gotta do is slap it on and send at least 70% to the fronts lol

[@ronnieayo985]

The back breaks are too big. It would be better to shut off the back breaks all together until y'all find a conversation for those front disk breaks to make them smaller. Shutting off the back breaks will keep them from locking up and trying to pass up the front wheels that are still rolling

[@Fasterproms1]

Hell yes. As you said it seems like a week, but man, we knocked some stuff out and definitely crazy times. Can’t wait till next time.

[@allenl9031]

Brent, you make us all smile. Thank-you!

[@OiHereticX]

Brent, it's been such a treat watching you guys create this monster together and having a blast do it, your attitude is infectious (in a good way, not a virus way). We appreciate you guys recording the fun for us to watch and enjoy it along with you all.

[@levimcn112]

Calling it now. First time ol' Cleater drives this he rolls it.

[@ithmiths]

Levi McNally old clootus is gonna roll it fo shure

[@I_Am_Lt_Surge]

Gonna be so freaking top heavy when he's in it

[@ericbeltrami2718]

Well if he somehow manages to send a rod through the block, the neighborhood will know something went wrong when they see a small mushroom cloud where is the car used to be...

[@benbradley1886]

Brent’s laugh is IDENTICAL to Joaquin Phoenix’a Joker laugh, and it’s absolutely rad.

[@CrazySaVaunT]

I'm glad im not the only one who noticed that :)

[@91mr2turb0]

I came here for this comment and i wasnt disappointed

[@oOWN3Do]

was thinking the same thing!!!

[@fatceaserdagreat241]

YES he does and it's creepy awesome!!!!😎😎😎😎😎

[@twrzenski]

Dude's cold as ice

[@jasonborrero3909]

Every gearhead out there watching this is smiling from ear to ear.

[@demonicredeye4183]

I need one!

[@markbremmer8642]

@@demonicredeye4183 take a number. I want mine first 🤣🤣🤣

[@monkey0550ify]

@@demonicredeye4183 I'll take mine in a mini clubman

[@nicknorth4375]

😁😎🇺🇸

[@MrKKUT1984]

Hell yeah they are

[@Deegz_Nuts]

Neighbour : "Hello , is this 911?" 911 Operator : "Yes. how can I help you?" Neighbour: " Well, I live near the Fasterproms shop and I want to report..." 911 Operator: "we know we've been getting calls of a car doing burnouts all night." Neighbour : " no the reason I'm calling is I hear somebody laughing hysterically for over an hour now and I'm wondering if he's OK? "

[@kevin10USA]

At one point I thought the laugh was the joker at 14mins.

[@pw383426]

How come I'm picturing Neighbor the Crown Vic making the call lol

[@tiny180]

To fucking funny buddy that's a good one

[@techguy3424]

Neighbor: calls 911 "I'd like to report a vehicle traveling at excessive speeds." 911: "what kind of vehicle was it?" Neighbor: "A Smart Car" 911: "Sir, this line is for emergency calls only."

[@monkey0550ify]

You sir made my day mahalo my friend 🤙🏼

[@archstanton9206]

This collaboration...Brent and Jeremy, I get the feeling we are seeing something special coming to life, something we don't see very often in the go fast world. I think you guys may have caught lightning in a bottle here, and I know I am not the only one to think this. I can see the entire BB and PFI crew creating a "winter operations" deal out at the FF. IF that works out then it might be time to stay in Florida year round. There is so much potential here it is hard to get yer head wrapped around it.

[@nukedogger86]

"If it ain't sketchy, it ain't fun." ~ Brent 2020

[@Americancitizen1]

I’d wear a shirt with that on it LOL

[@quinnpd]

Need to weld in a handle bar for the passenger, like in the side-by-sides.

[@jasonaldenhaley1]

Definitely!! "Oh SHIT!!" handle a MUST!

[@gullreefclub]

The sissy bar would be nice but arm restraints for the passenger and the driver passanger door net and maybe upgrade to a 7 point harness

[@JesusisJesus]

MTN_MAN CO No reflection on my KZbin name, but it is often called a “Jesus” handle.

[@vsk2377]

Jesus handle is a must, keep your arms from flying out the open window!!

[@markbremmer8642]

@@gullreefclub arm restraints are going to be a must before they take to the track, window nets as well. Better safe than sorry.

[@Ridoou]

13:59 : This is 100% the laugh of Joaquin Phoenix in the Joker

[@markpierson5874]

OMG was just about to say the same thing

[@heresjonny4107]

The smart car got what it fucking deserved

[@peytonjakob8775]

I was going to say the EXACT same thing. Lmao

[@babylondrifter5612]

clearly he got it watching Brent tune on PFI

[@TheMarewin]

True just like the joker

[@scottm6130]

Brent laughing hysterically after his test drive was seriously the best. That man has so much fun doing what he does, but to see him laughing like that from just pure joy and happiness made my day!

[@elilachappa3330]

Jeremy: I'd like to make 450whp Brent: nah, moontune or nothing

[@Lej206]

I like how those TSX rear wheels damn near match the factory smart car fronts

[@BFKAnthony817]

Yeah, it was a stroke of pure luck!

[@michaelcaraway2305]

Just wait until Jeremy decides that it needs a full build and a sequential trans. This beast is going to be a monster.

[@sparxbettinelli1234]

Worlds fastest smartcar

[@djb5320]

Ok, I will wait

[@davemcdaniel4856]

Dude, major props to Ben, George and Laz too! Brent and Kyle killed it with the k series mods and tuning, and deserve all the props you gave. But Ben and your crew built it. So much custom fab from your guys, they deserve as much a callout and props as Brent and Kyle. Total team effort!

[@shadowsandfire]

You know its quick when Emilio tightens the straps after the first pull!

[@ForOdin]

I love how enthusiastic and pumped up Brent gets when he tunes, and he’s like that every time

[@sedrickwells8545]

It's a when you like what you do type deal. Brent loves it so it's like cake to a fat baby for him to squeeze power out a motor

[@yeahitskimmel]

I love how he's like that and then gets dead serious when he first takes that rip with Emilio

[@garystinten9339]

It's his "crack den"

[@7eis]

When he claps its like when dogs know they are about to get a treat or go for a walk

[@TTindall85]

And he laughs like the Joker 😂

[@dsimpleman67]

Can’t wait for the day the smart car pulls the chutes on a LS

[@ChrisG1392]

I can imagine Jeremy coming home after a long day of work and his wife hears a loud motor and then music getting louder so she looks outside and sees Jeremy rolling up in a 500 horsepower smart car blasting George Thorogood lmao

[@Totelrecall]

Brent actually has the joker laugh. Nickname incoming

[@jytheiowaguy1897]

Waiting to see this thing troll Corvette's and CtsV's

[@charlestorruella8591]

Brent never stops laughing it's so cool he is so happy in life

[@Trialnerror]

Or is he.... (The Joker)

[@danzreggae]

Even with all those ant 🐜 bites he still manages to laugh 😆

[@garystinten9339]

Reminds me of Jim Breuer from half baked

[@Ryno_916]

I knew Brent could drive but damn lol ball of steel on that guy. He hopped in and pegged it through 3rd first time out like a boss.

[@shannonhamilton9513]

Ryan Hendricks well yea he had had how many rips on the dyno

[@ragingpacifist2074]

I love the retrospection clips added in after stuff happens. Something not enough of youtubers do. It almost makes it feel like a documentary of the random crazy s**t you do.

[@Shincism]

It's very vibratey. Mate, it's a cage with a motor attached 😂

[@RobertSalamun]

Brent needs a shirt made that says NO FEAR JUST NUTS!

[@123vaw123]

Big set of brass on that man. He can wheel; definitely has skill & lots of experience!

[@leftocastpunx83]

For everyone new to PFI and Brent's unshakable positive attitude, go back like a year and a half ago and watch the videos of when he lost his shop and the money Kyle raised for the new one. The guy was really in a bad spot but was STILL positive and so appreciative. Everyone needs a Brent in their life.

[@kevinjones6091]

This build is by far the raddest legendary kick ass colab on KZbin!!! Keep killing it guys!

[@x310gtsx]

brents laugh makes me smile so hard lol.

[@BFKAnthony817]

That is a genuine Joker laugh, and it is not fake at all. That dude is so damn down to earth no wonder he has so many friends and fans. An all around good dude.

[@b9307893]

He is an awesome dude in every way but he laughs like a deranged psychopath 😆

[@rubenbraekman4515]

@@BFKAnthony817 Joker took the laugh from brent lmao

[@tommyboy790]

Lol! George deserves a company funded increase of his Life Insurance policy 😂

[@Corey497]

Alright.. now you have to build Brent a V8 for the Cole truck...

[@DavidSmith-rw5xq]

I second this!

[@matthewhunt4557]

Brent laughing sounds like Burt Reynolds in smokey and the bandit

[@Apgreimelgoogle]

It’s good that it already has a cage and seats, you wouldn’t wanna flip that shoebox

[@kevins.3573]

Needs more Hans devices. This thing is going to turn into a soccer ball, if it flips.

[@tbirdracefan]

@@kevins.3573 I was going to suggest the analogy of more of a ball than a shoebox.

[@NickKautz]

Brent's rip was so not chill. He was lucky AF. When you spin the tires in a go kart , they dart side to side a few feet , not like a car at all. That's how I hit a prius in my shifter kart. It was a yard sale all the way down the street, luckily I got ejected

[@Yaboiporkchop]

Nick Kautz I would argue that Jeremy’s was less chill lol

[@stoker20]

@@NickKautz Lucky?? We all saw the 2 different driving styles. One blew through the stop sign and could have killed people. Since no harm was done That was Lucky. George looked pretty frazzled.

[@thefakeraymond]

Still my absolute favorite build at the moment, love watching Jeremy and Brent wish together, it's almost like they're bros.

[@shawnkiller90]

+Fasterproms You guys need to paint that thing red and yellow like the "little tike's" cars and call it the "little yikes"

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

LMFAO, so true though.

[@basedemt6608]

I cracked a smile at most of the episode but legit lost it when George was recapping the experience and said "Oh yeah. We almost died." killed me. My God George is a funny SOB. Between him, Brent, and yourself I honestly wish PFI Speed would move down to FL and do this with yall full time. The positivity is overwhelming.

[@christianestrada3274]

Brents laugh makes him sound like a mad scientist 👨‍🔬

[@maxst2]

Cant wait to see this go down the drag strip at full rip!

[@morsebaittackleco.5250]

Jeremy: you nervous? George:haven't wrecked it yet *KZbin instantly cuts to a state farm add* lmao

[@THEELECTRICSIDEOFTHINGS]

I hope all this extra publicity for Brent takes his business to the Moon he's an awesome guy and I'd like to see nice guys get ahead in life 😁

[@4mary20]

Can we see this thing race some ls’s on the highway

[@mihailpetrovici5044]

+++

[@vsewerv]

They have too much to lose we will most likely see runs at Bradenton and nothing else.

[@scottmoore6131]

Put a proportioning valve on those brakes.

[@ClumsyCars]

This

[@eriklarson9137]

Jeremy knows more than you.

[@apexaero]

Hell man! Cut a hole in the floor for some flintstone brakes or something!

[@ericchambers9023]

Not sure a proportioning valve will help enough. The rear rotors/brakes are so much bigger than the fronts. I said that would be a problem in an early video. Gonna need much bigger fronts first, then balance them. Or it'll never stop decently at the speeds it can reach now.

[@fubar1217]

@@ericchambers9023 Might need bigger tires too for the grip for the brakes otherwise they'll just lock up the fronts along with the rears

[@ctm9191]

Cant wait to see a smart car with a parachute hanging off the back! Its amazing to see all of you guys having so much fun with this project

[@anonymous4298]

“With great power 💥 comes great responsibility”

[@robertaranda7371]

You essentially have front brakes in the rear... you need to upgrade you front brakes and/or divert more braking power to the front using a proportioning valve.

[@steelovaldez2513]

Damn...that’s literally a stock motor doing that much power imagine just a simple semi build on that engine...would be Insane

[@dylanandersen9318]

Makes me feel a lot better about putting a stock k20a2 in my mr2 with the 500hp goal I have.

[@k20edef1]

Stock motors will make 650-700 no problem and by stock I mean bone stock..if it has decent mileage just change chain,guides and tensioner..stock motor will rev to 9200rpm no problem. K-Series power is incredible.

[@Conekiller29]

Look at frustrate eg. He beat a 2000hp with a k20 lol

[@LacquerSniffer]

It might be able to make that much, but it wont be reliable. 450-500 is all you wanna run on stock. And in order to rev to 9200 youre gonna need some springs and retainers.

[@XBullitt16X]

thats basically what the Boosted boiz have done with their stuff.

[@bryduhbikeguy]

I Love the build,and everything you all have done on all the sights,and will continue to support and watch.I wrote the previous post and stand by it.46 Years of engine work,and almost all on cars,trucks,and 4x4's.

[@scotty197878]

Loving the Brent & Jeremy collaboration 👍🏼 keep it going!

[@TheFoyer13]

530whp on a 2000lb car. Stay safe and in a different kind of way

[@BrydonMedeiros]

I feel like this thing could 360 mid air into the freedom factory...

[@RHBTurbochargers]

360 no scope the burnout pad

[@zxggwrt]

It's probably gonna handle like an '80s 930, i.e. a real handful!

[@cliffjacobs7364]

one of the best collab builds on youtube!!!. two amazing crews working together. katertot needs a sequential now!! a race with kyles mr2 and the smartcar needs to happen

[@mrkd4del]

Just wanted to say, I have been watching (Subscribed ) your channel and PFI Speed for quite a while, and always wondered what a project with both of your garages involved would be like. Now I know and it's been awesome!

[@ivansaban9472]

Awesome project and collaboration! Love it! State of the times: do a Honda powered build in an LS shop and pick up a ton of new subscribers! Jeremy, maybe you need to diversify! LOL!

[@fishyfool]

Cleetus is looking for things to do in his daily video challenge, I think he should K swap the Tracker. Then you all can have a burn out contest, run 1/8th mile and a wheelie contest to finish it off.

[@ClumsyCars]

The tracker needs to cross a lake first

[@ChasePalmer]

Cleetus has his hands full building Mullet.

[@jytheiowaguy1897]

I think they need a K swapped Fiero for the mullet collection

[@markbremmer8642]

That would be perfect. Was thinking a VW beetle would be good. A tube frame chassis for sure though.

[@jaem355]

you guys are my favorite thing to watch while were all in shutdown...Jeremy you are getting cooler by the minute..i hope this collaboration keeps rolling brent is friggin awesome i watch pfi, boiz and now your channel..thank you guys for real!!!!!!

[@arrondentinger2086]

Brent makes the first big hit. *Emilio casually tightens harness. 🤣🤣🤣

[@MrHARDtaHANDLE1]

alt name of episode- George Laughs at Death 2: electric boogaloo

[@robjcote1]

This. I love this comment. Unfortunately, I think most people wouldn't be aGrian with us.

[@josephcrowthers151]

I see you Grian

[@RichPianasOilPump]

This caught me off guard. Tag 2

[@derekyorke3545]

Get rid of the TSX clutch master, thats probably why it doesn’t like going into 2nd sometimes!

[@alskjflaksjdflakjdf]

Good suggestion. They swapped it out in one of the early episodes.

[@Voevoden]

naw it's like most Hondas ... my B18 runs thru 1st like it's worthless ... 2nd is a joke 3rd gets fun/ (scary for them) BRAKE upgrade nxt pls guys

[@PFIBrent]

Oh for sure 💪🏼 were on it

[@lorenzorios2909]

Im pretty sure the trans is shifter cables right ? Those things like to strecth had the same problem with my f20b til i upgraded to ktune cables

[@Voevoden]

@@lorenzorios2909 Well then you get into what Jordan did on his eg on 3rd gear (still haven't figured it out) Its short [Improved performance] Ausie His 3rd gear is really short . what am i missing?

[@briankogan6871]

Been watching this build from the beginning... you guys are sick! I love it! I love the was that car just squats on the Dyno!!!

[@agenda2154]

Now that's how you drive a Honda engine bounce it off the limiter!! The look Brent and Emilio gave each other explains it all!

[@ianboyd5436]

I know its suppose to be a burnout car but I really want to see this thing do some roll racing

[@keenanautobody71]

For sure don't break it race it

[@BradParler]

Man, this ride is insane!!! Was expecting "Crazy Train" as the song of the day after hearing the laughter.

[@balljointfd3s]

More George! George reactions are the best! George was the only one that really gave a good reaction to how crazy the power was, dude is passionate as hell and is fun to watch! Keep it up, love it!

[@Voevoden]

I just love Jeremy's commentaries/expos on the hithertoos & whyfores .... takes another puff of ol' toby

[@JaredHIll13]

"Thats the sreet heater right there" im dying... lol

[@Kefoo_]

-- So Jeremy, when will the 'real McCoy' replace the cardboard inter cooler air scoop?

[@eddominates]

I feel like it's gonna need a fan or two on the IC, for doing burnouts. keep that air flowing even when it's just squirrelling around

[@matthewhunt4557]

Loved watching the smart car build, you guys are really making me smile during these strange times. Keep up the amazing work

[@Jeff_S...]

Woo! Way to keep a cool head and get that lil beast back under control! Most of the big weight is low in the chassis, but I still get the feeling from watching it in motion, that it may very well be pretty easy to roll in a big slide. Be safe out there!

[@wilsonoberholzer2771]

I love how the blow-off valve on this thing sounds like a whip cracking.

[@mattsez2879]

Please excuse my laughing, i have a condition........boost

[@mattsez2879]

I swear Bret turn into the Joker with alittle boost

[@jameschildress9559]

You should get Cleetus' reaction riding in it. The next pay preview that goes out should be an all supped up smart kar race between all of you guys.

[@kingmarz3635]

I have really enjoyed this build series and it made me subscribe. Thanks

[@mikemarin77]

This car is insane ! Wow i like this build a LOT

[@lorenzenjo12]

If everyone was as positive as Brent the world would be a better place!

[@OiHereticX]

I gotta say, watching you all build this mini monster has been an absolute treat. It's like watching two mad scientists. Can't wait to see how this turns out when it's buttoned up and hitting the drag strip and burnout pad.

[@Matthunter0767]

I totally did the blow thru a stop sign thing once. I was going way too fast on my snowmobile and seen the road way too late and ended up in the intersection going about 20mph (I was in the ditch and seen the road approach too late) that will make you pucker up! Haha glad you guys are safe.

[@zakibendaoud1890]

6:40 you can actually see the car squat even more when when v-tec kicks in .

[@510Redneck]

He was just leaning into it, the v-tec is engaged throughout - from the hit he said in a prior video.

[@EdBoi18]

What I found impressive is what happens when he hits the rev limiter. Go back and watch the rear tires real close.

[@pob000]

That's the boost bro. The lag on it is stupid

[@s10mafia61]

I love how nobody can drive it quite as hard as Brent lmao

[@trex7314]

love this vid love this build!!!! one of my favs , and brent is the man how can you not love him or the boosted bois.

[@justinmchugh5837]

This thing is an absolute beast!!! Such a freaking ripper! You guys have definitely knocked it out of the park.... KEEP UP THE AMAZING WORK AND THANKS FOR THE CONTENT 🔥🔥👌🏁

[@nixter1nixter1]

There's a reason really fast drag cars have an extra-long wheelbase, increased stability. This car may have too much power for its short wheelbase. A drag chute may be needed just to stop it from swapping ends under hard braking.

[@potatoe4221]

It's swaying like that because the rear brakes are bigger than the fronts.

[@yamaha450man]

Nixter_is_Nick .... you don’t think they realize “drag cars” have an “extra long” wheel bases for a reason? Do you not understand the whole purpose of this build? Or are you an internet drag racer?

[@nixter1nixter1]

potatoe4221 I once had a car that lost the front brakes, it wanted to spin 360’s when only the rear brakes locked up, so yeah, looks like a brake imbalance is making it unstable. The good news is that it shouldn’t be too hard correct.

[@eddominates]

They mentioned it needs a different proportioning valve, it's sending too much grab to the rear brakes. Also they did some alignment to it after this, Jeremy said it was REALLY off before, now it doesn't buck so hard to the side under accel or braking. it still wants to spin like a top, but it's more controllable now.

[@AlvinBrinson]

People who haven't driven short wheelbase cars seriously have no clue. I drive an Abarth, which is a bit longer than a Smart, but still pretty short. It will swap ends on you WAY easy under hard braking. Can be used to one's advantage to get oversteer when needed, but takes some time to learn how it's different. However, when you're at triple digits, you gotta be extremely careful on the brakes. You cannot just "haul down" from those speeds or you're going to end up sideways and rolling. I generally just feather the brake until I'm under 90 or so then I can start to get more serious, but still don't even dream of turning the wheel while braking unless I'm actually *wanting* rotation.

[@StovallsGarage]

14:07 took me out the faint laugh getting louder as he walks closer.

[@zMrCex]

Honestly love Brent such a awesome down to earth dude who’s a wizard when it comes to tuning

[@TacticalFlea]

George having Ptsd after the s10 lost its wheel, the laughter and pure joy on everyone's faces has made this build so much fun to watch!

[@jackcurrence263]

"It's kinda that moment, when you realize that you just cheated death... and you can't help but laugh." That pretty much sums up my high school years (and a couple years of my early 20s, for that matter). I have walked a mile in those shoes, sir.

[@rpmevo8]

Jack Currence That’s REAL livin!!! Makes for kick ass stories as well. 🤘

[@Hoppysjunkyardrally]

Just casual.. helmets on.. at the stop light...😂😂 LS George is my favorite!

[@jaredthisdelle5617]

It was one hell of a collaboration that's fore sure everyone that was in on it respect ...cheers

[@tracygraham2238]

The KaterTot is awesome. Both Jeremy and Brent have a very contagious laugh. I was grinning pretty much through the full video. Honestly this is what I like to see on YT. Keep up the great work. This group of guys need to somehow try to work together more often or somehow join forces.

[@codynewton2572]

George: "we haven't wrecked it yet" AD: "What are you wearing Jake from state farm" Great timing

[@chrisfestini3549]

I always thought Jeremy was a conservative driver until I seen him drive this smart car

[@nogofoxrage8757]

You guys have so much fun think its why i watch this channel so much

[@davidwilson1348]

Love the longer video you guys are great a true inspiration. Keep it going be safe

[@Yeti_34]

Honda tuning with brent is turning Jeremy into the joker also. Lol

[@ryanbyrd5.0]

Brents laugh in the in car while driving was like Joaquin Phoenix in Joker 😂

[@randalltufts3321]

Awesome job all of you. Great team. Shared!!! I see 2 parachutes in the cars future. Your gonna need em

[@kevin10USA]

Its videos like this that gets me amped up on my car projects definitely can't wait to see a track time. But definitely finish er up safety first.

[@pppaybackkk]

Almost kills George on a test drive. _Internet_ : Aw com'on man, be more careful. Internet realizes it could have been Brent. _Internet_ _makes_ _Robocop_ _voice_ : Drive safer, or there will be... Trouble.

[@DeadFront1319]

Hadn't noticed until this video, the rear fenders have been evened out, LOL looks good.

[@baysidefabrication]

Drake Feore it was driving me crazy. Had to chop the other one

[@ForTiorIJohnny]

Brent has such a Joker laugh. What a mad man :D

[@boltonky]

Another awesome video, this video reminds me of my friends supercharged vitz so quick yet stopping is scary as hell....