(Outdated) Shavorese: A 4D conlang of infinite complexity.

[@Arctures]

I just watched the video

[@pflh2391]

I'm so sorry to hear that

[@yeetrepublic9142]

Hope you recover from this terrible tragedy

[@Avokadik13]

Yeah… That’s what just happened

[@_Heb_]

I had already watched all the video

[@robertroach9157]

"Don't try to understand it. Feel it." -TENET

[@mattynek2]

TENET MENTIONED🦅🦅🦅WTF IS GOOD SOUND ENGINEERING🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

[@falnica]

I downloaded this video so when civilization collapses I'll be able to watch it on my computer if I manage to generate enough electricity

[@remrevo3944]

Just print the data of the video in hexadecimal on to paper/a longer holding material, so you only have to teach yourself how the video decoder works instead of having to rely on electricity and computer hardware.

[@stomperlp8924]

would be easier to understand the video tbh@@remrevo3944

[@politian32]

I can't help but imagine the experience of being fluent in this, and feeling your mind stretch into the endlessness of space just to say hello. I want to listen/witness a conversation held in this so bad 😅

[@zzineohp]

very good video idea

[@vindi167]

PLEASE @@zzineohp make a video of people talking in it (i don't care how heavily staged it is, i just want to see what it might be like)

[@torbzilla]

​@@zzineohpPlease please please no matter how staged as said above

[@pr0hobo]

I agree i would love to see that so bad

[@alexkuhn5078]

"I have a bicycle" - good on you "The bicycle went to the store" - bizarre "I attached a leash to the bicycle" - ...inventive? "He took off the bicycle's collar" - good "The blind man walks using his bicycle" - not a good idea "I made this sweater for the bicycle" - ...artistic? "The squirrel ran away from the bicycle" - normal "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy bicycle" - fox has more spare time and energy than I do

[@robingates-shannon931]

im only halfway through and i feel like im having a stroke. amazing job

[@espressoaddict15324]

You're having a stroke at halfway? I'm having a stroke at 5 minutes in

[@blueninja012]

​@@espressoaddict15324 my guy I'm not even there yet and I'm going towards the light

[@JohnSmith-of2gu]

You took the discrete chart of consonants and went "Nahh I can make this a continuous scale like the vowel chart". Impressive.

[@gcampax]

This is absolutely amazing, and a mere peek of what a non-human language could be (artificial or alien). After all, it sticks to human compositionality, human word order, and even human abilities to voice and gestures. And yet it's so, so far from any existing natural language. Art.

[@SupaKoopaTroopa64]

This is what I imagine an intermediary language generated by a translation software's auto-encoder would sound/look like if it was manifested into a form of human communication. 10/10, can't wait for a Duolingo course on this.

[@itryen7632]

It's cursedlangs like this that make me wish for more academic shitposting

[@Eric_Pham]

This video is like Jan Misali with a splash of JREG amazing

[@unktheunk1428]

There is an aspect of concreteness here that isn't fully present in Jan Misali so I think this video falls withing the triangular bound between those two and Khan Academy

[@loupfau29]

The two most artists of our time😮

[@cedriko1662]

This is like a language, mathematics and technical drawing class all at the same time.

[@kajvanveendev]

I've always wanted to make a clong like this but could never figure out how. Awesome job, very cool!!

[@zzineohp]

We shortened it further? Was conlang not short enough?

[@kajvanveendev]

@@zzineohp cng.

[@MatthewConnellan-xc3oj]

@@kajvanveendevConstructed Language.

[@pelegsap]

I have a strong feeling that knowing Lie algebras could somehow help me understand the maths of this language better

[@xicad1533]

fuzzy logic would help more

[@machitoons]

i honestly entirely unironically love this idea of non-discrete/continuous morphology or w.e. that tone example for encoding 'certainty' via rising/falling is actually p smart lol

[@zzineohp]

10:26 Must be nice for your mom to be listed under a source you can TRUST-me personally, I something about gaslighting and that of course leads to

[@StockyScoresRaoraPantheraFC]

@zzineohp Will you release a document when you make the shavourese showcase for the #ccc3 ?

[@zzineohp]

@@StockyScoresRaoraPantheraFC I'm working on it rn, it's gonna be a big one. Im really finna lean into the "tell a story" theme.

[@purplenanite]

Oh my god When I saw the polyhedra bouncing around, I thought it was glorious. When I got to the concept map, I was horrified. This is awesome! Although the plosive box and the fricative box bounce off each other, but I think you could get the vowel pentagon to play with them too. if you bend the vowel range down 90 degrees and extrude the region out, it may work. The pentagon turns into a pentagonal prism the length of the boxes, so it can't be flipped over, and the extra dimension does nothing to the pentagon. I don't know how that would work linguistically, but I think it works geometrically. Your idea of the concept space at 8:40 kinda inspired me I suppose if we wanted the most efficient words, we would take our map of concepts, and split it in half. A "0" but would mean one side of the hyperplane, "1" would mean the other. Each side of the plane is also split in halves, all the way down and we just keep sending out bits until we are satisfied with our precision.

[@zzineohp]

Yeah the writing systems gonna have to be insane

[@belot217]

Watch this prove improbably useful in programming some quantum computer in 200 years.

[@kellymoses8566]

This is the fusion of linguistics and geometry that I didn't know I needed!

[@40watt53]

This is what happens when you listen to that homeless guy.

[@zzineohp]

i open my mouth and exhale pure, unadulterated meaning

[@EdwardNavu]

The Vowel Space video by Dr Geoff Lindsey would be a godsend for learning this language I guess

[@stomperlp8924]

half way through, didnt know i needed a math degree to understand a video about language

[@stomperlp8924]

update: done now. i now either want to learn this fluently or hit my head against a wall until it too becomes a 4 dimensional infinitely complex soup

[@GehennaGirls]

This felt like a mad scientist explaining his creation

[@Denneth_D.]

I can hear Æternal cackling already…

[@metube7332]

This is literally Borges' endgame finally realized

[@cadextheclock24]

0:05 me jumpscare

[@himynameismax7516]

What (and I mean this in the most complimentary way possible) the actual fuck?

[@o_enamuel]

5:17 "Am I making sense so fár?"

[@_JUNGSEIPEI_]

Poetry in this language would be insane

[@I_Love_Learning]

You keep getting better and better!

[@unktheunk1428]

The final pronunciation sounds like there's a joke hidden for if you play it backwards, but I cannot be bothered to download and figure out how to play it backward

[@zzineohp]

i'll check

[@borb5353]

if the aliens ever respond this guy will understand

[@cheedozer7391]

This is a poor man's infinite complexity! Why not simply project out the extra dimension (its topology makes it redundant, anyway) and place the phoneme space on the boundary of a 4D fractal?

[@zzineohp]

I do linguistics not math so n

[@cheedozer7391]

@@zzineohp Fair enough 👍

[@tahunuva4254]

​@@zzineohpI mean you clearly found n, that's more than I ever managed

[@OpenSourceAnarchist]

This makes me want to study linguistics again lol. I'm waiting for an n-dimensional language based on the computational rule / hypergraph evolution framework from Wolfram 😅

[@OpenSourceAnarchist]

It's computational complexity all the way down :)

[@RafalRacegPolonusSum]

Beautiful

[@livedandletdie]

Must be what the MC Villagers speak... And No I didn't see your profile picture until I had started typing this addendum to the first sentence.

[@lilemont9302]

> what I call oral release Because it certainly doesn't increase the oral relief, alright...

[@CuDoesThings]

I’m not sure if I hate or love this EDIT - I have gotten further into the video and I am less sure whether I love or hate this

[@wlwgwlwgnomesarereal]

hey, that's not a conlang! that's just math!

[@pr0hobo]

you earned a sub and im saving this video

[@im-radio]

holy shit i love

[@valentinaaugustina]

10:26 thank god someone finally made a place for me to dump my mommy issues! one score and two years ago, a demon spoke into my ear, and it was my name on her tongue.

[@valentinaaugustina]

anyway your conlang is terrifying to a cosmic degree? i’m absolutely bird-gender btw

[@kokiriforistima]

where are the click consonants????

[@MatthewConnellan-xc3oj]

To answer that, you have to tell me what the Place of Articulation is for /!/.

[@kokiriforistima]

@@MatthewConnellan-xc3oj it's alveolar, no?

[@anon_y_mousse]

What the actual fu... ck did I just watch.

[@Denneth_D.]

A video about a very complex conlang

[@ProjectLunis]

i need a vocab list of the roots

[@emjots]

new lojban update looks great

[@tigergaj]

This video opened up my 5th eye

[@filmcase1683]

Sounds like the men in black 2 beat boxing postal office scene

[@yannblanc7224]

I watched all of it. And I liked it.

[@DaraelDraconis]

Why are you the way that you are? (amused, vaguely positive)

[@Garfield_Minecraft]

i was also trying to do that too but it gets too complicated even for me so i think just stop making it

[@StockyScoresRaoraPantheraFC]

The most cursed language ever

[@janpipiko]

I've always wanted a language that sounds like a Transformer with dying batteries thank you so much 🙏 (genuinely though amazing work, I didn't understand a second of it but it was amazing)

[@phylliida]

What would an accent with someone native in this language sound like?

[@zzineohp]

I mean technically it has every phoneme English does, except l- and the r-colored vowels, or opening diphthongs, would be broken up into two syllables with an inserted glide.

[@LinguaPhiliax]

You took autosegments to the 4th dimension? On an unrelated note, what's the IPA transcription of your channel name?

[@zzineohp]

/zɪniːɒp/ or /zɪniːɒf/ is used to approximate it in english, but the Native pronunciation is [ʑːine̯ɔʰp]

[@Regularnoobguy-u5t6]

What did bro say at 14:11 14:10

[@MatthewConnellan-xc3oj]

D-D-Did you put all possible plosives in a box?

[@An_Attempt]

This was oddly helpful for a problem of mine.

[@indigo8130]

i have zero clue what is happening but 5:29 f r ui t

[@The0Stroy]

Ok. I expected quote from bee movie...

[@FOGGYlama123]

and my friends call ME autistic bruh

[@StockyScoresRaoraPantheraFC]

Cool

[@Zedryx69]

I need a calculator to understand this

[@Fukiyel]

Thanks I hate it 🙂

[@LinguaPhiliax]

Could have gone a step further by outlining the *chirophonology of the signed components. (*I just made this word up.)

[@musigalglo]

Choreophonology maybe?

[@xicad1533]

google fuzzy logic

[@iamdigory]

ni toki li toki ike, taso ona li pona tawa mi lawa

[@zzineohp]

Mi pini moku ale telo

[@zzineohp]

*mi li pini

[@埊]

Toki pona, languagel'd Okeania'd futur.

[@austinrimel7860]

.....what?

[@MatthewConnellan-xc3oj]

Tier X language doesnt even come close to this. This is Tier MMM.

[@MatthewConnellan-xc3oj]

@ Yes.

[@MatthewConnellan-xc3oj]

Uh, hrinkpl?

[@Poopick]

I dont think you can really aspirate a fully voiced consonant, because of how aspiration works. The aspiration is a short segment between a consonant and a vowel that is basically just you exhaling air with the same phonation of the consonant in a way that seperates the consonant from the vowel. The vowel is usually voiced in some way, and usually fully voiced. Now, if both the consonat and the vowel have the same phonation then the aspiration is more like a written thing or an underline thing then a surface level thing, if you carch my drift

[@zzineohp]

well there is always breathy voice

[@Poopick]

@@zzineohp please elaborate

[@zzineohp]

@@Poopick It's sort of the voiced equivalent of aspiration, they have it in Indian languages. It's like aspiration, but instead of voicelessness, it shifts the following consonants up into a weird register type thing that's hard to describe

[@Poopick]

@@zzineohp isnt it just murmured consonants, as in "breathy voiced"? like there is some aspiration but its not like b̬ʰ but more like b̤ʰ (excuse the ʰ as substitute for superscript ɦ). So the aspiration is not voiceless, but murmured, like the consonant. You probably know about the bʰ dʰ ǵʰ gʰ gʷʰ, so those are pretty much the same bʰ dʰ ɖʰ ɟʰ ɡʰ of sanskrit which are inherited from (and anyone please correct me cause im doing this from memory) the indo iranian bʰ dʰ ɖʐʰ(?) dʑʰ ɡʰ (or something along the lines). They are just murmured. The pʰ tʰ ʈʰ cʰ kʰ came only later in the sanskrit, and i do not know about an earlier version in the indo iranian prototype.

[@Somethingiguess-tj6xo]

I understood nothing

[@Pining_for_the_fjords]

Try telling a speaker of this language that gender isn't a spectrum.

[@埊]

啊' y啊, th啊 c啊nl啊ngs.

[@francy3643]

Tf are you saying

[@Denneth_D.]

I think you shouldn’t have commented here.

[@mt180extras]

whatever he wants. and he's using four dimensions to do it. incredible

[@lettuceandotherveggies715]

This is horrible slash pee ohw ess

[@pirukiddingme1908]

What

[@LeoStaley]

Why do conlangs need to be audibly pronouncable? Just make all your constructions written with no association with actual speaking. Honesty that's almost what Chinese writing is.

[@TenorCantusFirmus]

"This language is also signed" - Me, an Italian: "Mamma mia 🤦🤦... Where-a is-a la novelty-a🤌🤌?" The rest of the language is very interesting, now we can have an idea how 4D lifeforms might speak.

[@tomkerruish2982]

I believe the Bekenstein Bound places a finite upper limit on the actual complexity. You'd only get an uncountable infinity of possibilities in classical mechanics. However, some (very) rough (mental) calculations put it in the neighborhood of exp(10²⁸), which should suffice.