BF Goodrich KO2 VS NEW BFG KO3 All Terrain Tire, DID THEY FIX IT? Off-Road & Overland Full Review

[@OutdoorAuto]

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One thing I like about the internet is that you feel less alone when you are nerdy about something. People look at me with sorrow in their eyes when I talk about tires. It makes me happy to listen to you extensively talking about tires. Thanks for your work. 🙂

[@desertsavagery]

🤣 The sorrow in their eyes when you talk about tires...I usually feel more like I see people losing their will to live and their breathing unconsciously gets shallower when I discuss tires, brake pad compounds, approach/departure/breakover angles, etc...

@@desertsavageryMmmmmh… That warm feeling deep in my heart when I read your comment… 🤣👍🏻

[@markspence3750]

I absolutely love videos like this! I am amazed that they are free! It would take me months, maybe years to figure out all of this stuff on tires. It is important, because a new set of tires can easily be well over $1,000. Some people spend $40,000/year to go to college, to read books that you can read for free on the internet, and learn just as much as you can learn for free.

[@mirzasaj]

Man you realized it late probably you started to kill your time and increase your knowledge recently which i have been doing for years 😅

[@swearengin1111111111]

You should try riding motorcycles on the track. Tires warmers, discussions about optimal tire pressure at what temperatures, brands, race take-offs, lol

[@jaymoar3561]

This review was freaking incredible, you did a lot of research and you gave us facts. Most tire reviews, they just give us opinions of what they think and not facts, but you did an incredible job on this review. 👏

[@mrbohn23]

Awesome review, taught me a lot. I just bought the General Grabber ATX in a 35x12.5x17. If I knew these were being released I would have looked into them.

[@nolanbrown84]

I drive 5-7000 miles a month in the oilfield as a pumper checking oil wells. I used to try every trick imaginable to put the cheapest tires I could on my work trucks. So long as they were eight or ten ply and the cheapest I'd run them. I didn't realize the headache I was creating for myself until I finally justified a set of Ko2's on one of my favorite pickups. 25k on them and not even but one nail puncture. The difference is mind blowing. The amount of money I've saved just not repairing nail punctures... Not replacing junk tires that shred before their time is up. A little under half my route is highway, everything else is county road or privately owned lease roads. So I can't justify the most aggressive tires because I'll shred them on the highway. So these Ko2's are actually the perfect compromise. So long as I can justify USA made BFG tires I will. Honestly I thought they over overpriced gimmicky tires but I was dead wrong. Worth every penny. In that 25k I used to nearly replace two sets of tires. Not anymore.

[@vincefairleigh6899]

My friend overloads his one ton dually dodge a lot to the point of the tired bulging… he’s never got a flat with the ko2s, not even one, although they wore out quickly, they were really tough, his wildpeaks got a ton of flats..

[@jdoboy6835]

lol,,, I have a '06 Dodge megacab 4x4. (very heavy) I often pull a loaded 5T utility trailer, & a 35' camper, & 26' boats off road & many miles down the hiway. From day 1, Ive had BFGs RUGGED TERRAIN, load Es on it. I loved how they did in the rain so now I'm looking for my 4th set of tires to put on this truck. THANKS for your honest opinion,,,, I'll look into the BFG 3s! ;>) $$$$?

[@westTexasblaster]

I’ve had a nail puncture for almost a month on my ko2’s I’m just to lazy to take time from work and get it fixed but I haven’t lost damn near any air

[@07YellowS2000]

Dude, I also work in the oil/gas field. Tires are safety equipment, possibly the most important safety equipment. You don't skimp on safety equipment.

[@seanramirez488]

I'm in the same environment. The BFG ko2, Falken AT/3, and surprisingly the Hercules Terra trac AT/2 work the best for me. The Hercules didn't last as long, but they were less expensive.

[@tiny_the_200]

Completely agree about a wider range of sizes 👌🏼 Specifically tall & narrow - 36x11.5, 37x11.5, 38x12…

[@CatRacer1A2A]

Yessss. Tall and narrow is what I want for my squarebody Suburban.

[@nickvasquez85]

agreed. I have 35x11.5r17 toyo at3 load c on my tacoma. so far i really like them!

[@jonathancole6124]

​@nickvasquez8054 Toyo AT3 are awesome.

[@michaeloleary1304]

I can tell you we're vastly expanding to meet this request

[@Holden-McGroin]

We started running the KO2s at work a few years ago. I’ve got 55k on mine(Silverado 1500) and not even half worn. My boss just hit the wear bars at 113k on his Canyon. These tires are unbelievable.

[@rediron44]

Just takes proper maintenance. Rotate and don't under or over inflate. Good alignment

[@MikeNebgen]

24k on mine and they are mostly done. I do have a 1 ton dually though. On road handling was very squirmy. Can't wait to try the KO3 next time.

[@Holden-McGroin]

@@MikeNebgensounds like you either got too light a tire or were under-inflated.

[@MikeNebgen]

@@Holden-McGroin nope. load range E at 70 psi. rarely any load. truck weights 8800 lbs empty tho.

[@Holden-McGroin]

@@MikeNebgenThat’s strange. My 1500 weighs about 6500 with cap and tools. I run tires at 35psi.

[@twistnshout3031]

I ran k02 on every truck I had. Best tire on the market. They lasted a long time on my Chevy trucks and I never had an issue. Never got too stuck, they gripped the road well, worked amazing in the snow. Couldn't beat it.

[@bamafencer12]

Same here in CO, great in the snow. Never slipped even in the mountains during a snow storm.

[@benruthlessburger8905]

Not on ice though

[@danielhines145]

If you have a heavy truck they seem to do just fine. But on a Jeep, no I bet they arent great. @@benruthlessburger8905

[@danielhines145]

I've put 80K+ on both sets I've had. Both on an avalanche, never had traction issues.

[@sparkie5571]

only some mild slip on ice where i live, blizzaks are for sure the best for ice here, though these ko2 tires have been insanely good

[@GatorOverland]

Incredible review… awesome of you to take it back in time and tell a little bit about the history. I have collectively over 300,000 miles on KO/KO 2 variant and no issues for our type of wheeling and we typically get 50 to 60,000 miles out of them… Looking forward to seeing how the ko3 perform on my next set.

[@OutdoorAuto]

I really like the history of these automotive companies that have been around a long time.

[@jimrice4699]

I appreciated the history as well. Thank you. However, the BFG history that was presented in the video ended about 50 years ago (1976, IIRC). I'm a LOT more interested in "what they have done lately". As an analogy, knowing who made the best electric typewriter in 1976 (IBM Selectric) doesn't tell me much about best communication technology today (I kind of like my Mac). @@OutdoorAuto

[@KingOfBanks]

50-60,000 MILES?! Do you mind me asking on what sort of vehicle and how oftern you get the suspension checked? That's awesome!

[@GatorOverland]

@@KingOfBanks I have a Jeep gladiator with 2” MOPAR lift and 37” BFG KO2’s and rotate religiously at 5000miles. I also chalk test to confirm contact patch.. typically 28-32psi, but I roll 30psi most of the time. I get an alignment once a year, but no adjustments have been needed and ball joints are still good.

[@georgesmith2431]

How close are you to getting the ko3's? I have been running bfg at's for 30 years and really liked the og's. I got like 80k miles on my first set in colorado. Lots of weather changes there. My boss bought some ko2's back when they first came out and his front tires where bald in 3 months so i was worried they went with a softer rubber that doesnt last, but grips better. Last year i just bought my first set of ko2's, as my ko's still had half tread, but are well past best before date. I also put the ko2's on my moms truck at the same time, and they didn't even last a year, so I bought her some highway tires, that I already regret buying. My biggest issue with the ko2's is they are almost 10 lbs heavier than the ko's. wow doesnt look like they make them for the 15 inch rim anymore. so cant check the weight.

[@user-ys1ki8sp8s]

My KO2s have 50,000 miles on them and are still going strong but I can’t wait for the KO3s!

[@OutdoorAuto]

They seem to be pretty solid... I am excited to get a big set.

[@MIAMIC70]

Same here. Just ordered WildPeaks.

[@2SanityAtitsBest2]

My wife and I both have wildpeaks at3 on our vehicles and both have balance issues. They perform well in most situations but having inconsistent carcasses creates bad road force issues. Looking forward to running a set of these KO3s.

[@Nanan00]

I am at 45k on a set of KO2's on my Colorado and they still have a ton of tread left.

[@ChuckBeefOG]

I had over 100,000km on my KO2’s on a 2500 when I had a cord let go and a blow out. Great tires. Unmatched winter traction as they are sipped all the way to 0% tread.

[@LacDole]

I have the K02 on my 2023 4Runner LTD on TRD Pro 17in wheels, I switch them when I go for a long road trip. The peace of mind this tire offers is impressive. I also was impressed when I went from Central Florida to Blowing Rock, NC a month ago with the snow traction it delivered. 3F with -20F wind chill, black ice, hard packed snow, I only lost steering control (understeer) a couple times in that twisted mountain snowy road. The look is also amazing. 🤪Great review!

[@gustavsmith3398]

The depth of your knowledge is impressive! Thanks for this awesome video. I am a rolling billboard for BFG tires. I got the KO2s as soon as they were available. 6 of my friends started using them after seeing mine. I got them because I like the stiff sidewall. It helps the handling while pulling my equipment trailer. Now I am really excited about the KO3S. Hopefully will have a set this year. Thanks again!

[@peterj5751]

I can say that the KO2 works much better in mud than the Cooper AT3, at least in typical clay style mud we get in Australia. I worry about the tighter pattern on the new KO3 being a step back in mud. I look forward to when you get a chance to test them.

[@toddveitenheimer9307]

I just got a set of these bfg ko3's for my 2020 2500 duramax off a brand new gmc truck. Only have about a 1000 miles on them so far, but almost half of that was in mixed snow and ice conditions due to the storm that hit the pnw. So far im pretty impressed with the winter performance, I would say as good or better than the previous generation and wet performance is even more impressive so far. One down side is they seem a touch louder than the previous ko2's ive had and definitely louder than the stock michelins that came on my truck, but ive also never run this large of a size on any vehicles since this is approximately a 34" tire. Time will tell if they hold up to the weight of the diesel.

[@Craig-yj5gb]

I was afraid that they didn't fix the noise issues or that they made them worse. Most likely I will avoid these and go with something else.

[@leatherneckprepper4477]

On my Silverado I had the KO twos. Because I’m more am on road and towing Hall. I had a lot of issues with traction in wet weather. They worked good in dry weather and snow. I switched to the Cooper 83. It’s a great tire. If they actually have fixed the on road, wet weather issues, and I can still tow and haulin my ram, I may switch back when these tires are beyond service. Thank you for the review. I look forward to an update when you actually contest them.

[@charlesadrianse2368]

The BF Goodrich tires are the best truck tires on the market. I couldn’t tell you how many sets I have run in my life but they have never and I mean never let me down. I hunt, fish, off-road, go to the dunes and haul my 5th trailer. They are good road, sand and snow tires but suck in the mud. I get nervous when they start changing them. Thanks BF Goodrich for always getting me home in some of the worst conditions mother nature has thrown at me ❤

[@dbarton8651]

Just under 70K (with legal tread left) on my first set before deciding to buy a second set for my 4Runner. They handled everything ive ever thrown at them very well with the exception of ice, but still got the job done. I think perhaps their greatest strength is durability/longevity. Probably going to try something else next go around just for the heck of it, and Ko3 will be at the top of the list.

[@OutdoorAuto]

You must rotate your tires regularly. 70k is awesome 👏

[@dbarton8651]

​​@@OutdoorAutoim guessing the Lion's. Also, I'm in Cd'a Idaho🤍👊🏻🇺🇲

[@dbarton8651]

​@@OutdoorAutoYes sir, absolutely. 7500 is about the max I'd ever go between rotations. Typical 5k. Proper inflation as well.

[@overland7334]

lll?dbarton8651 is

[@JS-nd1po]

I rotate my ko2’s every 5000 miles. Mine work well on ice, I live in MN and they perform very well pulling an ice castle on a frozen lake, and on snowy roads.

[@dn2shmb]

So the KO3 gained some sipping and silica and the AT4W lost some. As someone who loved my AT3W's for my winter daily/ski rig but now can't find them in my size - which of these new AT tires are going to be closest to what the AT3's were looking just at snow/ice performance?

[@WBOS72]

I have owned the original KO, the KO2 and look forward to the new KO3. Great video.

[@lathenhornback003]

What has been your favorite

[@scottbarrett4753]

New tire compounds are a step up. Tread design looks impressive. I need the white lettering.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Agree about the white lettering… it’s just to good of an ode to their great history.

[@connorjones1485]

@@OutdoorAutomy KO2s on my 92 f250 are whit letter out on phone dial alloy wheels, as looks best on old trucks. Wouldn’t have it any other way. KO2s are some of the best looking tires out there, and that sort of subjective thing also matters. I’ll look forward to trying some KO3s in the future. Though my wallet won’t love it b

[@dougreese9122]

Yes gotta have RWL.

[@stefan3225]

If you run RWL you are a knob

[@Tallnerdyguy]

You can make all lettering on any tire fairly easily

[@imakeithappenX2]

I’ve already driven ~10k miles on my KO3s and I love them. I’ve pushed them hard off-road, in every condition and have driven in snow (I live in Utah) and they’re the best all-terrain tire I’ve ever driven. I’ve gone through 2 sets of KO2s, and these are light years better. Great video

[@OutdoorAuto]

Well that’s good to hear… so far I am impressed as well.

[@michaeloleary1304]

What OE truck, may I ask?

[@imakeithappenX2]

@@michaeloleary1304 they weren’t OE on my truck, but because they were already in production for some trucks in the size i wanted 285/70/17 I was able to find a set. I’m in a 2021 ford Ranger tremor

[@free2chasehappy]

The KO2 are absolutely amazing tires! I think the KO3 is an improvement over it. That said I will be switching to Wildpeak AT4W when my current ones wear out. Only because it snows a lot here in Michigan.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Falken timed the release of the AT4 really well, they have been making solid tires too.

[@free2chasehappy]

@@OutdoorAuto absolutely!

[@kirk0respite]

Had at3w on my truck EXCELLENT in snow

[@Mahavolhoff]

I’ve been running the wild peaks on my 4Runner in lots of snow in Colorado and they are excellent. Can’t wait for the atw4

[@free2chasehappy]

@@Mahavolhoff nice! Good to hear you like it!

[@victormtzc]

Thanks, Amazing video. I am BF Goodrich guy. I hope you have a long review of the BFG KO3. I will need tires maybe at the end of the year. Currently I have the KO2 with 50 k miles on it, they should last at least other 30k miles. They still look amazing.

[@michaeloleary1304]

We got you Victor! - BFG employee

[@RevereOverland]

Great review. I loved the KO2s for snow and longevity, but they sucked in mud and staying round/balanced. Hopefully the KO3 fixes that.

[@OutdoorAuto]

BFG is sure taking their time releasing them... hopefully that means they are taking the time to nail the manufacturing consistency.

[@omnignarusist]

@@OutdoorAuto Most likely parts issues. Still playing catch up post covid.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Yeah, I’m guessing manufacturing and supply chain… it appears they are completely changing how these are made and I imagine getting that retrofitted is tough.

[@DaciaProject]

Yep. I switched from the K02s to the Yokohama G003 Geolandar because the BFGs are terrible in mud.

[@kevinr.9896]

@@DaciaProjectits not a mud tire, the g003 is primarily a mud tire… apples and oranges.

[@timbrown7980]

Great review! I’m going into my last year on my second set of KO2’s and they’ve been great! I’m glad to see the KO3’s should address the hi/low uneven wear on the outmost tread blocks. I’ll most definitely be replacing my KO2’s with KO3’s when the time comes. Unless the don’t offer raised white lettering, that would be a deal breaker!

[@OutdoorAuto]

Bring back the white lettering - please BFG 🙏

[@2SanityAtitsBest2]

I dig it too

[@rowdytitan]

I have LT275/60R20 KO2s on my F150, I bought them last year in June and the amount of wheel weights discount tire slapped on is absurd. I’ve got 20k miles on them so far and they’ve done well in loose sand. Biggest gripe if any is they’ve gotten notably louder.

[@J.Young808]

Paint pen

[@timbrown7980]

@@J.Young808 nah

[@ericbailey8277]

Great review! Had the originals on my 89 4runner in the early 2000s, went to Yokohama Geolanders, then Coopers...so would you consider these an AT still or RT ?

[@csimpson8900]

Thank you so much for doing this comparison! Had a set of KO2's on my '98 Cherokee and loved them. Moved up to an '18 Silverado and they immediately went on it as well. Currently sitting at about 45K and noticing some slipping in the snow (Canada) so will probably upgrade next fall. Considering these if they become available by then. You're the fist thorough side by side comparison I've seen. Killer as always.

[@michaeloleary1304]

Should have KO3 available by then! What size are you running? I'll check 😉

[@csimpson8900]

@@michaeloleary1304 oh cool! Thank you! Currently have 265/70R17 but am open to going up a size. My truck is stock at this point so I think 275 or maybe 285 should fit no problem. If the 265's aren't out by then.

[@geraldallen9379]

KO3’s on my 2024 3500 Z71 and I like them so far. Stock truck and they’re quiet and handle great. Bend OR to SoCal. 850 miles, snow, ice, mountain roads and Interstate. Great ride! P.S. It was during that crazy rain California had mid February. On the interstate in blinding rain just north of Sacramento California and no sense of hydroplaning whatsoever.

[@grenobel]

Great review! I'm a long time KO2 user and still love them. They are quite, smooth and absolute beast mode in the snow on my 2000 XJ. My only issue with them is lateral wet traction. I have dedicated tires for mudding, so I don't care about that aspect. I'm looking forward to trying out there KO3 - if/when BFG produces them in larger sizes. I too would love too get these in a 40x13.5, but won't hold my breath.

[@brianpencall4882]

My load range F Michelin Pilots have one ply sidewalls, but that one ply is steel. These are the best tires I have ever used. All the plies are steel, so there are no differential material stresses, as with poly-steel. KO3 looks interesting. Excellent video, i like your content.

[@duckwacker8720]

I got a rock puncture a when I was up hunting. Thanks for the discount tires warranty. They gave me a new tire.

[@davidhendrie6935]

Hi! I live in Scotland and daily drive an Isuzu Dmax pickup. I got it end Nov 2011, and have done 122500 miles in it. It came with Bridgestone Duelers. They shocked me with their abysmal wet performance. From acceleration to cornering to braking, they just had no grip. They looked uninteresting as well. I've had KO2s on for 3 years now and what a difference they've made. They've been far better in wet conditions than the Duelers. Much better grip in the dry, and they look great too! Not forgetting the 3 peaks and snowflakes either. We can get quite a bit of the white stuff here too! They're not supposed to be great on fuel economy, but neither were the Duelers. With a some small changes to my driving style, I've actually slowly improved fuel milage. My lifetime average is now at 29.6mpg, or 24.7 in US gallons. That's out of a 2.5L diesel. The only petrol engined pickup here is the new Ranger Raptor!

[@nathanolewnick7588]

I’ve been running the KO3s for about 1,200 miles so far on a ‘20 Tacoma here in VT and am really happy with the grip, road noise, etc. I can only compare them to Falken WPs on a different vehicle but was happy that our local 4x4 shop had them to include on some recent upgrades to the truck.

[@jaredkish8716]

How do they compare to the wild peaks?

[@cbrown17982010]

I have a set of wild peak at3, how does the road noise compare to these new ko3?

[@robertgoodrich8953]

Review Yokohama Geolander MT G003 and I will subscribe. Excellent video!

[@nathanolewnick7588]

@@cbrown17982010~ because the WP AT3s I have are on a Forester I feel like it’s not an accurate comparison. Both vehicles are set up very differently and honestly, I hear more noise from the gear I have on top of the truck compared to the KO3s underneath. I’ve enjoyed the ride, grip, etc. on the WPs and would consider looking at them again when I need the next set of tires for the truck but based strictly on road noise I’d be hard pressed to choose one over the other at this point.

[@nathanolewnick7588]

@@jaredkish8716~ I really like the look of both on vehicles. Strictly comparing the road noise (mentioned above in a reply) is tough to judge because the AT3s are on a Forester and the KO3s are on the Tacoma. Road noise alone it’s a tough call because of the comparison I have but I’d absolutely look at the KO3s for your ride when you’re ready to swap out. Zero issues with either tire in both wet and snowy weather for me. Two friends have had difficulty aligning/maintaining alignment with AT3s on their Tundra and Tacoma so I was open to trying the KO3s based on mass feedback of KO2s and the fact they were available at the time of my lift. I’ve noticed the KO3s picking up a small stone in the treads more so than the WPs but they are also much bigger tires. Not something that’s been an issue at all but May be a consideration for some depending on the bulk of your terrain.

[@mjbskidoo]

Hi, I have a set of KO2’s 35 X 12.5 X 20 on my 22 Ford Super duty diesel . I love that they are quiet and the look of them. What kind of pressures should I run? My door tag says 60 front 80 rear and it rides a little rough but don’t want to wear them out. I live in Michigan and don’t off road just ride through snow and rain. Thanks.

[@TinkerersAdventure]

very informative. thank you for making this review!

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thanks for watching, hopefully it was helpful.

[@danielanthony9621]

Excellent review, Thanks. I pull an RV on extended trips with a Chevy Silverado 2500 High Country. Do you think the KO3 would be a good choice. I'll stay at parks as well as boondock sites. Most of the driving is Highway but some of the boondock site roads are pretty ugly. Gravel, sand, rocky and bumpy and somtime slick pinestraw and can be not very well maintained. So tires that can handle anything are very important to me. Thanks for your time. Oh, im a Tennessee Volunteer!!! Go big Orange!!! Who's your team..

[@matthewculpepper5261]

I’m guessing 49ers fan. And thanks for the great detailed review; on my 3rd set of KO2s and happy to know that they’re not gonna f anything up!🤞🏼

[@mattclark1278]

That would be someone in Idaho liking something from California - and that will get you not just canceled but also probably shot dead in Idaho these days... KC fan.

[@GiselleTrujillo]

Hello dear. How are you? I am converting my 2008 Land Rover LR3 to micro camper..... we decided to convert from air suspension to coils, my new coils are heavy duty and now my Landi is high. My standard tires are 255/60R18 but, my tech wants to put 265/65R18. What would you put on my rig? Keep in mind we will be adding some wight, pulling out 4 seats and some glass. I've been advised the BFG's or Sumitomo. Your honest advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you so much. Have a wonderful weekend, please let me know.

[@alanm.thornton4055]

Great review, and it backs up almost everthing I found when I picked these up in Sept 2023 for my FJ cruiser. Same as you, had the KO2s for YEARS, and generally loved them. These new ones are more comfortable, they are more responsive on highway, better in the wet and cold, and though I never really thought the KO2 was 'bad' for me on snow and slush (also had original BFGs that SUCKED), these were shockingly "amazing", in comparison. What I did note and worry about was the WEIGHT: they are I think 6lbs heavier for the same size and Load Range (C-285/17). I worried a TON about fuel mileage since I commute 3-4 hours for work a couple dozen times a summer in wildland fire. So far, weirdly enough, my MPG in all conditions went UP, a solid 2mpg, including city. From what I was told by tire shop it is because desoite the weight (as you noted a solid carcass), the tire has a greatly reduced rolling resistence (tread pattern and compound material). I don't know how these will do for those who tow toys and trailers, but I would bet they perform at least as good, but my bet would be even better for you.

[@TheChris1299100]

I gained about 2mpg as well. I'm very pleased with the KO2 after having switched from Duratracs.

[@alanm.thornton4055]

@@TheChris1299100 glad to hear that! I was really wondering if it was just me/my driving or if the tires really were helping gain a bit more MPG!

[@jpjp3873]

KO3’s on your fj?

[@alanm.thornton4055]

Correct @@jpjp3873 . Not more than maybe 2000 miles on them I think? Very very little winter snow driving on them, but pretty good so far.

[@williamfuerst190]

I love your reviews. So informative. Can’t wait to see these tested in the real world. I’ll be in need of a set of tires this summer

[@jamesbender1967]

Big tire geek here! Love BFG AT’s, learned how to wheel in my Dads Cherokees with original BFG ATs. They performed great in MN snow, sand etc. I had BFG AT KO’s and was very pleased putting them through some serious tests on my Lifted Grand Cherokee ZJ. 31x10.50 tire. RARELY got stuck in that Jeep. Tires performed great! Sand dunes to deep snow and ice, even some mud at times. Obviously mud is the weakness of any AT, but they did what I needed several times in some nasty mud, tires spinning and throwing mud like you want. SUPERB performance in snow/ice and sand. Even had a giant Nail “staple” penetrate my outter lug near sidewall,BAD spot, Discount Tire said I might need a new tire. They pulled it out and it NEVER leaked! Tri-guard sidewall for the win!! Missed the KO2s as they came out while my tires were still 50+%. Then with years of back injury hell, currently living. Hoping to have a successful surgery, recovery and build my next Jeep and put KO3’s on it!! Can’t wait to put them to the Minnesota challenges.

[@mavericksdad050]

You’ve helped me make up my mind. KO3s in 285/70/17 LR C being installed on my 4Runner tomorrow. Thank you.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Nice… those are great tires for a 4Runner

[@netcruzer]

Nokian Outpost AT please! Great video on KO3 learned a lot of tire tech and BFG history.

[@davidt8438]

Tread depth and water depth are the two main factors in hydroplaning. Speed is also a big factor depending on tread depth. Also at 10:27 he says the little bumps inside the sipes help strengthen the tread. No- they prevent the heavy rubber tread from collapsing on each other and closing the sipes in the event of tire squirm so you don’t lose traction in the rain during cornering.

[@OutdoorAuto]

So you just restate what ppl say in their videos with different words? Wait… are you the Thesaurus? I always wanted to be trolled by a Thesaurus.

[@davidt8438]

@@OutdoorAuto My my aren’t we touchy! I didn’t restate anything you said. You left out anything about water depth, tread depth and speed in relation to hydroplaning so I cleared up what actually causes hydroplaning as well as your inaccurate information about your “little bumps” inside the sipes. They don’t do what you claim about keeping the tread blocks as a strong unit. That was wrong and it’s too bad you have to troll me just because I knew something. For the most part your video was clear and concise but you should lighten up.

[@AdventureBraten01]

I would absolutely love a review on the new falken at4w

[@OutdoorAuto]

I like this idea...

[@AgaetiAlex]

My anecdotal review: I have the at3 on my truck and now the at4 on my 4runner and all I can say is they’re fucking amazing and look awesome too with the new alternating side tread blocks. Do well in snow and off road

[@jordantrujillo293]

I love them so far, the AT4W and Baja Boss AT are my current favorite two all terrains.

[@jeffjourney1878]

AT4W vs. KO2 or KO3 . . . Overall performance for the $

[@dannifl6329]

Finally a video about the KO3 ‘ I got my KO3 a few weeks ago and was looking for a video about them.thank you for the information looking forward for the next video about them.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Wow, you are an early adopter for sure.

[@Alexb_1775]

I’m excited to see what happens with the ko3 once guys are able to put them to the test. But I will say other then mud and deep snow these are the best tires I’ve ran. They are incredible in the winter on the roads. I live in a place that get far more snow then most places and I drive a Toyota sequoia.

[@foonus406]

Nice overview. The real question for a buyer in 2024 is K03 Vs Duratrac RT now that both of them have a load rating that won't destroy your vehicles advertised tow rating. I've been using the original Duratrac 10 ply on my smaller truck but both the Wranglers and K02's lacked the load rating needed for my bigger haul rig. Would really be interested in how the 2 wear, and more to the point, how will they wear when pulling a 27,000lb rig in a single rear wheel 1 ton.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Add the Falken AT4W to the mix as well... they just introduced new HD tires specifically for towing...

[@tomkruger3496]

I really like the KO2 tread pattern. I chose it over a lot of other tires, but now the KO3 tread pattern looks more like the ones I didn't choose. We'll see how it goes.

[@davidhelms-ml3ew]

I thought the same thing. That K02 look was unique

[@michaeloleary1304]

Interesting take... moreso the sidewall or the tread was your focus?

[@tomkruger3496]

@@michaeloleary1304 I liked bothe the tread and the sidewall of the KO2. The KO3 just doesn't appeal as much to me but maybe it will grow on me.

[@ep8199]

Excellent review! I’ve run several sets of KO’s and KO2’s in all types of terrain and temperatures. They’ve always held up great but have left me wishing for more traction in wet and snowy conditions. Will probably try these after my Wildpeak AT3W’s wear out. Really hoping for a 35x11.5R17 option. Probably won’t get it though.

[@michaeloleary1304]

I'll check this week if we'll have this size for you

[@lukem636]

I'm picking up a set of Falken Wildpeak A/T4W this week.

[@OutdoorAuto]

That is awesome... I really like their AT3Ws... I still need to get a set of those for testing... Hard to keep up with all the new tires.

[@lukem636]

@OutdoorAuto For sure! I've seen a couple people post about them but it's way too early to know for sure. They are definitely more aggressive looking and seem to have improved on comfort of ride, but I've also heard they have a little more road noise.

[@bumblebee8599]

Don't the KO 3 is out already

[@OutdoorAuto]

@@bumblebee8599 the KM3 is out… that is a MT… different tire. K03 was shipped in 1 size Oem on 1 truck all other sizes and general sales are not out yet.

[@lukem636]

@@bumblebee8599 I decided against the K02 due to the wet road performance, and I don't think even the K03 improve beyond the Wildpeaks, which is why I chose the A/T4Ws

[@impala-wf2sd]

I'm on my 2nd set of ko2 on my tacoma. I am looking an AT for silverado Z71 4x4 3.0 . High mileage and low noise. Any suggestions?? Should i stay with the ko2 or try the ko3?

[@thurstonhowell9782]

The tread pattern definitely looks better for wet conditions which is my issue with the KO2. Every time it rained the rear always slid around. The casings are tough as nails but that killed it for me. They look promising though. Personally I prefer hybrid tires these days and I’m going to the Maxxis razr at811 next.

[@OutdoorAuto]

I haven't tested that Maxxis.... I liked their MT's a lot though. I will have to check those out.

[@satriaadventures8]

Nope.. he didn't talk about Rims Protector 😊 , that thing is deal breaker for me

[@aiden8317]

what would be your recommendation for most comfortable but reliable AT tire? I'm ~70% on road and 30% offroad, but the car is also my daily drive. Can't decide on which brand to go! Thanks

[@garretlewis4103]

I haven’t run BFG A/T tires since the first generation. I am currently running Falkin Wildpeak A/T 3s on our Colorado and Gladiator and Falkin Wildpeak A/T trails on my Subaru. I get what you were saying about larger A/T tire sizes. When it came to my Subaru, I was glad Falkin made some smaller A/T tire sizes so I could run stock size A/T tires.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Falken has made some impressive tires lately for sure... my only thing on the AT3W's is they are really heavy, like really heavy, yet only have the 2 ply sidewalls. But they have proven to be pretty solid tires.

[@jimrice4699]

Does the number of stated "plys" really have anything to do with the optimal purpose of the tire? What I am getting at is that I thought many tires manufacturers talk about the number of plys but that is in the context of load rating, not the actual number of "plys" used in the tire construction. My interest is in optimal purpose and that includes an understanding of sidewall cut resistance, sidewall flex, and load rating if it is an Offroad tire. As an example, I had a recent phone conversation with Nokian re: some of their winter tires and the tech I spoke with told me that despite Nokia's marketing brochures, there was no improvement in sidewall cut resistance between two different lines of their tires despite the "implied suggestion" of a difference in the sidewall cut resistance as described in their marketing literature.... Upon careful review it became apparent that Nokian was being "cute" with its word selection to create an impression without making the factual statement. (For the record, I did purchase studded Nokian Hakka LT3's this winter and their snow and ice performance is nothing short of amazing....). For instance, if one tire manufacturer advertised an E rated tire as 10 plys (which may or may not mean ten actual "plys") but they were all polyester and another advertised its E rated tires as having fewer plys but they put (making this up) lots of aramid fiber in the sidewalls, couldn't the second tire have better sidewall cut protection when off-roading? Beyond that, at some point isn't it likely that "lots of plys" results in an unduly stiff sidewall that makes for a very rough ride, like using an "F" rated tire off-road when a "D" rated tire (with cut resistant sidewalls) might be better? @@OutdoorAuto

[@kenwilliams4086]

Can't wait till they release the KO54.

[@bradarmstrong3952]

Thanks for your honest and detailed commentary on the KO3's. I'm now looking forward to more!

[@JeffBrauss]

Agreed about the balancing issues with the KO2s. I’ve had three sets and my last set, no shop could get a proper balance on. Regardless though, they are my first choice in snow and ice (Alaskan here) so I’ll stick with them. ✌🏼

[@Jay-me7gw]

I've found KO2's to be pretty disappointing in snow and ice. I've run two sets now and have had some scary moments on my KO2's, which is not something I experienced with 4 sets of Duratracs.

[@JeffBrauss]

@@Jay-me7gw that’s interesting. Maybe over-inflated? I take a few psi out every winter, but I imagine most people don’t . They are one of the only triple snow peak certified tires, and leaps and bounds better then the stock Firestones that came on my trucks. Those tires are dangerous. Like they say “ go with what ya know “ 👍🏼

[@JeffBrauss]

* triple snow peak AT tire (E rated)

[@valuri9017]

I still miss the sidewall design of the k01, best looking all terrain tire of all time. Unfortunate that us old school wheelers can't find a good looking tire to mach vintage 4-wheelers (Jeep CJ). For all the newer vehicles, highly anticipated and will be rocking them on my tacoma!

[@jamieforrester7108]

really looking forward to seeing how the k03's do in the snow. I don't need them often but my experience with the ko2's in the ice/slush/snow were sketchy enough to have me looking elsewhere when I replace in a few months.

[@jasonf1340]

What do you think about Nitto I have K02 now should I stay with the Ko2 or try Nitto ?

[@mitchsargent5543]

No one talks tires better than you! Well done and thank you!

[@8todd8]

I have my ko2's in Costa Rica on my Hilux and they work perfectly, definitely my favorite tire I have ever used, and cant wait for the ko3's thank you for your review!!!

[@Cloud30000]

Note: “Unused” is different than “brand new”. The older it is, the less capable the compounds are to deforming around obstacles, providing less grip after a few years even if they have never been mounted.

[@jdoboy6835]

I have a '06 Dodge megacab 4x4. (very heavy) I often pull a loaded 5T utility trailer, & a 35' camper, & 26' boats off road & many miles down the hiway. From day 1, Ive had BFGs RUGGED TERRAIN, load Es on it. (discontinued!!) I loved how they did in the rain, so now I'm looking for my 4th set of tires to put on this truck. THANKS for your honest opinion,,,, I'll look into the BFG 3s! ;>) $$$$? Do they even make a Load E 10 ply rated?

[@Pesmog]

The KO3 seems to address the three problems that I had with the KO2; poor (sometimes scary) cornering on wet & cold asphalt, poor braking grip on the same, and slightly sub optimal snow performance. Unfortunately, I currently don't have a suitable 4wd vehicle to try some KO3's on. Maybe next year.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Hopefully next year🙏

[@sonofdemigod]

Sounds like driver and vehicle issues. XD

[@mattwhyte7590]

On my second set of Ko2s ..first set got 95,000ks out of them on my dedender 130. Second set are at around 50,000 now and still look great. Frequent tyre pressure checks and a rotation at 10,000 seems to work great for me.

[@OutdoorAuto]

What Tire Would You Like To See Next?

[@raincity_tundra6706]

Toyo RT Trail! Or a segment on RT tires in general? 🤙🏽

[@dasfahrer8187]

Nitto Ridge Grappler

[@underscr0e]

AT4W is it as good as ko3 ?

[@402bw]

ATW4 please, if you haven't already. I have the OEM ATW3's on a Tundra and they do ok. Just unhappy with the specs that Toyota wanted on them. 9/32 of tread to start with isn't enough. Thanks!

[@402bw]

AT4W...sorry

[@drfreedom1192]

I put kO2’s on my 2014 wrangler when I first bought it in early 2015. I still have them and they have greater than 50% tread. These are fantastic tires. I wait for the snow every year because I have zero fears. No tire has ever given me such confidence. I will always turn to KO’s.

[@djparra41]

These things need to come out already! I dying to put them on my 4Runner

[@OutdoorAuto]

I agree!

[@Jayzilla-jr4fr]

I've run 6 sets of KO2s on 5 vehicles. They all had the same issues. They slipped in the wet, suffered from flat spot when cold, they all cupped badly on the outside lugs, and they got very, very loud when worn past halfway. I think the rubber dries out big-time as they get older, and they get hard as steel. Made them slip more and louder. Worked well, especially in snow when new, but come halfway, they became terrible. I started buying other brands and wish I had sooner.

[@MK-sl4dj]

Fantastic review. Thank you. Have 235 85R 16 ko2's on 2019 Sprinter 170 3500XD (dually) 4x4 w 37k and 4 years on them. I like them and all around and 3 ply side walls. Any insights as to if/when this size in ko3 will be available? TIA

[@rediron44]

My old KO all terrains wasn't terrible in the mud. We was on a Jeep group trsil ride in Virginia, and it rained and rained. The orange clay got super slick, fairly hard but about an inch of slime on top. My Jeep got up a hill most struggled to get up. They did OK

[@RC.56]

Classic review, no Bs. Thank you. I’m still trying to make a decision. Ive seen most of your tire reviews, but it’s hard to prioritize what I’m looking for. I don’t have a desirable size, (285/50/22. New ram Limited, don’t do much offloading, would like something quiet, but more aggressive, and something that balances well with a reasonable weight. Also, one that does not get excessively loud as it wears. Midwest, few snow days, occasional rain.

[@roberthenry9319]

Consider sizing way down from those 22s. You are right. You do not have a desirable size. Method Racing Wheels (a really great wheel maker) does not even make 20+ sized wheels. That is because it is the amount of rubber that comes between the road and the vehicle that makes the ride comfortable, the road control sharp, and the steering accurate. The little bitty strip of rubber that goes on 22s really makes a comfortable ride, sharp road control and crisp steering impossible. 22s are produced only because folks think they look cool. But they mess up the driving experience considerably.

[@lancefletcher6010]

I love my KO 2’s. But have they addressed the rubber cracking issues? I only get about 50% mileage before significant cracking issues.

[@richardguse3410]

BFG is owned by Michelin and Michelin ,to my knowledge, invented the segment molded radial tire, kind of like an orange. Mold marks will appear at regular intervals across the tread. Many of the old radials were clam shell molded, cut a donut in half through the middle of the tread. Difficult to control quality and balance. KO3 in the pictures appears to be segment molded.

[@Slowfocus]

Really enjoyed your video! I want to know more about road noise. I have a 2013 F150 with V6 turbo....we seem to notice differences in road noise from tires quite a bit. Had Duratracs for a week or two...the noise on the highway was untolerable. Have had 2 sets of KO2s....they got noisy towards end of life. Now have 25,000miles on Falken AT3Ws and they're getting noisier. The KO2 was the best overall compromise. Good pavement manners, decent fuel economy, good wear, etc. The AT3W is better offroad but noisier and burns more fuel on road. All of these are 285/75/17 (approx 33")

[@MrTurtleMontana]

I'm extremely impressed with the KO2s! I purchased a 2022 4-door, 4WD Ford Bronco w/ 8 miles on the OD, back in May of 2022. The Ford dealership installed a 4" RC lift kit, and slapped on some 35x12.5x20 BFG KO2s on 20" Fuel wheels. As of today (7/29/24), there are 99654.5 miles on the odometer, and I'm still running on the original rubber. I'd estimate a mix of 60% highway miles, and 40% dirt roads. I kept the PSI consistently at 35, and I had Discount Tire rebalance and rotate all 4 tires (not the spare) with every single oil change (5k-8k mile intervals). The only reason I even need to replace them now, after almost a hundred thousand miles, is because the crappy Rough Country upper control arms have cheap ball joints that went bad and unevenly wore down the inside of my front tires. I agree with the KO2's less-than-ideal handing characteristics in water, mud, and snow. I hope the KO3s match or exceed the longevity and handing of the KO2s...

[@soulsurfer8797]

Great reviews. Why do you opt out of Car covers? Worth their weight in gold?

[@OutdoorAuto]

You know... you have a point... the Troopy is going in the shop as soon as I get the snow off... but a few car covers would def be a good idea.

[@battleborn4590]

Thank you for the awesome review. I have been looking at these tires and thinking about buying them for my truck. Currently running Toyo AT3 and love them. This is a great review. I am going to guess that your team is the 49ers. GO NINERS !

[@vangoodwin7335]

Thank You very much for the perfect timing! Once I finish getting the rebuilt 351 back into my 88 Ford 3/4 4X4 she'll need new shoes. Pulling a trailer in my 89, back in 89 with BFGs I was extremely happy but now my 88 restoration will be pulling a camper 70 to 80% of it's life. The camper has been modified into a toy hauler for my 825lb motorcycle so the camper will have a constant load but not overly heavy. Will this newest model of the BFG AT be a good trailering tire while affording me some off road play with my rig? Thank You very much for your timely video and terrific info. While in Alaska I ran off the original siping on a set of tires and the local shop had a cutter to sipe deeper into the tread. Pebbles smoked the cutter but the siping paid off for the rest of winter and didn't hurt me driving the rig back to and around Georgia. With Respect, You are in my prayers Hoka Hey

[@louietuna8091]

Awesome review. My '96 Bronco has my second set of KO2's (now half w/o). One of the tires refuses to balance and has the most annoying slight bit of a hop at 67 mph. You know what I want. Thx brocefus, for the deep dives you do. New sub.

[@fuddrucker74]

I got well over 50k miles out of some e rated ko2's on an '07 ram 2500 with the 5.9 cummins. I just checked the air and rotated every oil change. They were great overall tires. We live in upstate ny. So, hot humid summers, wet springs, and snow filled winters. I liked them a bunch

[@calebbailey221]

I’ve used K02 and K03 on my truck for a dumpster rental business. I go through dumps driving through debris and mud all the time. I get nails and screws in my tires a lot. My new k03s haven’t let me down yet. No tire maintenance with a few months of dump runs so far!

[@oakdalejoe4495]

Love Your video Nathan. Since I have a long 5/8 inch rock driveway, rock retention in the tread is a big concern for Me. Had a set of all terrain Goodyear tires that drove Me crazy. When doing Your reviews, it may be beneficial to Your viewers to touch on this issue. Rock slinging at 70 mph and compromised balancing are no fun at all.

[@frictionhitch]

I bought some property in new Mexico and it is crazy clay mud roads when wet. I need more rubber on the dirt roads but having a number of heavy trailers including a fifth wheel I don't want to severely damage my towing capacity with an overly wide tire. I am considering an aftermarket "phony dually" addition to my f-250. IS my thinking right and if so what tires would fit my needs best. Highway and mud towing. Thanks

[@P6life]

What is the hold up on release? Any insight as to when non OEM and various sizes will be available? I really want a set of these and have been holding out for a set of 275/70R17 for my 4x4 Sprinter Van...not sure how much more I can get out of my current KO2s at 56K miles. The K02s have been great tires, just really noisy now and loosing steam.

[@prophetseven728]

I have to get new tires on an Jeep YJ, All Doors are off. So I can hear all noise. Im mostly on the city streets with this one. Will noise on Streets be a big difference?

[@robertweller2662]

I had the BFG all terrains on a 2004 Ram 2500. Once they were about 1/2worn out they lost their bite in snow. I switched to Cooper ST’s and was very impressed with them. Once those were about 5 years old, I replaced them with Cooper ST MAXX tires. Those were even better in snow than the ST. I would be very interested to hear your opinion of the ST MAXX compared to these new KO 3 tires. I now own a 22 F350 FX4 and will be looking to upgrade from the Goodyear Adventurers in a couple of years. Nice job on this video.

[@176988]

Great video, the shoulder ridges within the water channel are for introducing air into the tire when clearing or driving in thick or slick mud. Think of them as a stick when your foot gets stock in mud or quicksand. Keep the videos going. Would love to see a RT video comparing the Toyo RT Trail, Falken Wildpeak RT and other brands!

[@Zappy1210]

I'd like some advice if possible about my company truck tires. I work as an electrician in the mining industry so I am constantly running through and over rocks from 1/4 in size to 2-3 inches in size. I also spend a good amount of time on the highway as I maintain 5 mines in the State of Kentucky alone. My longest and unfortunately most common route is 120 miles there and 120 miles back home on the highway. I have used just 2 brand of tires over and over and why I do not know... Both have had blowouts going 70 MPH+ on the highways. I used to go about a year and a half or about 45k miles per set, but that's when I had a ton of blowouts. I now only go a year or 30k miles and buy new and that seems to have mostly stopped the blowouts although I had a Michelin LTX blowout at 25k miles... The 2 brands I've used is the Michelin LTX AT's and Firestone Transforce AT's. Neither really gives decent traction in the mud or rocks I find myself in, but both ride good on the highway. I drive a Ram 2500 4 door, 4X4 utility body loaded to about 9800 lbs on a normal day. I do at times exceed 10k lbs, but not to often. Question is, is there a better tire to accommodate the road and the terrain I am in, or do I go one way or the other? I choose road ride over rough terrain traction if so. Suggestions on a duel fix or even for just a better tire than I am using? My "tire guy" suggested using aggressive tires and air them down when at the mines, but no one has time for all that... also, aggressive tires are very loud and I don't want that either.

[@andrewisaacs2778]

You might look into the Toyo open country C/T or R/T tires. I'm sure other brands make a commercial style tire but I've always had good luck with Toyos.

[@ryandeane1141]

I previously had 35x12.5 KO2 on my Chevy Silverado and loved them. Currently have a 2020 wrangler rubicon with 285 falcon MT and shopping for new tires and the KO3 seem very promising. More of a daily driver but enjoy the off road capability with the tires I choose

[@ShouldersMoondog549]

Thanks for this review of the BF Goodrich tires, I'm currently looking into replacing the original tires on my 2016 F250 with these. Your review has me thinking to go with the KO3 tire. I don't do a lot of off road driving (due to only having the "all season" tires on the truck) I just want to be prepared for when I need to go off road for any reason!! Also watched your video on the Goodyears Wrangler RT. of the 2 which one do you use the most? They both look to have similar tread patterns. I do at times haul a fair amount of weight on my truck. I'd like to see more footage of you off roading in the snow!! We haven't gotten much snow here were we live in West Virginia lately.

[@alberthechme4001]

Been researching AT tires for my 2023 4Runner. I’m not happy with the OEM tires. The KO3 were the top rated overall and your video just helped me make the final decision. Thank you!!

[@mikechandler3791]

Thank you, I have been running KO2's on several vehicles for years and am only now looking at - possibly going to the Falken WildPeak A/T4W (would love a comparison to the T3) on my Taco for various reasons. - Are you a 49'ers fan, congrats on the outcome, we (GB) didn't play well overall but went much farther than expected for as young as we are. OK back to tires, have BF gotten closer to actual sizing or are they still off whne you ask for a 33" you get a 31.6" (Ithink tht is where they are running). Thank you for the review.

[@OutdoorAuto]

You guessed it... GB sure gave the Niners a fight... I was stressed the whole game...such a young team... I think GB is going get good next year. Back to tires... BFG hasn't shipped released any of the large sizes but as soon as they do i'll get an update out on sizing.... its a good question.

[@ShortyAKALestat]

Great info, new sub. Good luck in the SB. Hopefully, GB will make it to the Championship round next year. A new defensive coordinator should help. What do you think these tires will do in a towing environment? I have some Wranglers that came with the truck when I bought it. They did OK towing, but in the snow, let just say I am glad northern WI has not gotten much snow.😂

[@bradleyphillips204]

Thanks for doing this video. I haven't used BFGs since the tire before the ko2. From what i had heard people say no big loss but the ones I had in the 90s and into the 2000s were pretty decent. Had 3 sets. Im really interested in trying these new ones on my 2016 GMC Sierra Z71. Also I was always into the white letters also. Mine were always out. Plain black wall looks boring to me but everyone is different 😅

[@damontabron8836]

Solid video. The KO2s surely suck in the rain. Thanks for the info gonna try the ko3s, and they did bring back the white lettering on them!

[@slmjake]

Excellent review sir!!! Someone cut my KO2 sidewall once. Couldn't believe I could drive home and later to repair shop. My ko2s were great. Looking forward to trying these ko3s some day

[@carbybirett]

Thank you, very interesting for me as I am currently running KO2s on my 3.2 diesel Ranger here in Australia. Bitumen, corrugated gravel and sand treks, rocky river crossings and steep climbs over rocky terrain, the KO2's are great. The only minus is as you pointed out the wet road performance like now in our tropical rain season. You just have to be careful. Snow and ice does not concern me here. Will be definitely looking to the new tyres when I need a replacement. Carl 🇦🇺

[@CBL138]

Great video. How do you think the K03 will perform on roads in the summer down south? Thanks for the video man.

[@alexmaclean1]

K02 was still my favourite at tire. I sold my truck with an almost new set and my new truck has general grabbers in it now, they are definitely better in heavy rain but I'll surely be trying the ko3 when I need a set in a year or so.