Outer Wilds - Part 2 - The Livestream of Many Deaths

[@sirprintalot]

2:49:12 "it feels like a really inelegant solution, just waiting for the right time". Jon, it's a game with 22 MINUTE CYCLES, GROUNDHOG DOG STYLE. This is what the game is you giddy goose. You liked them when you solved them (ie. Ember Twin) but when you fail (Brittle Hollow, Interloper) it's suddenly a 'bad puzzle'. Sour grapes Jon.

[@Indiscrimi]

3:09:23. It's not an easy thing to miss if you just stop reading chat and follow the hints that the game actually gives you. If you wanna play with a walkthrough, play with a walkthrough, but you can't then blame the game for you not getting the full experience.

[@sirprintalot]

So on Giant's Deep he found the Quantum Tower AND the counter-clockwise vortex sending him through to the core ENTIRELY BY ACCIDENT?!?!?!?! Jon, -1 Perception, +10 Luck.

[@RainaThrownAway]

They actually do handwave why the log remembers: It's made out of the same kind of special rock as the special statues that do the whole memory saving time loop thing.

[@RainaThrownAway]

Did Jon just fucking.... He just fucking dipsy-dooed his way through the current.

[@RainaThrownAway]

It's literally a game about time loops. Waiting for a certain event to occur before you can do a thing is pretty much a staple of that genre.

[@RainaThrownAway]

We may have shown up late to the last two world wars, but we're definitely going to be first in on the third one.

[@Crysai]

majora's mask in space time sensitive game with time sensitive triggers jon: not elegant a comunitive facepalm was had that day

[@AlternaHunter]

I tend to agree with him to some extent honestly. This game desperately needed an unlockable means of fast-forwarding time *on the go*, not just at campfires, and preferably a means of rewinding too after a certain point. I spent a lot of late loops standing around just waiting while I was trying to complete my rumor board, bored out of my skull, not to mention the utter drag that was the Dark Bramble.

[@juggftw4868]

Jon, You have done what even Dan never could and died before even touching the ship

[@sirprintalot]

34:00 - Claire: "to find out more about the Moon you're going to have to pay really close attention!" At which point Jon flies straight past the "disappearing moon" that he was just looking around for. Oh, Jon.

[@sirprintalot]

3:07:40 Jon makes the logic for once, that the ice on the Interloper will melt when it reaches the Sun. After then standing on the rock and only looking at the rock, he then blames the chat, even after failing to look at any ice. DOES ROCK MELT, JON?

[@robbieginsburg1050]

yes

[@sirprintalot]

3:11:30 the frustration, and the mocking of Jon *could* be unfair, but when Jon actively has a go at the chat and/or the game for messing up when it had nothing to do with the chat/game, then I think Jon does open himself up for mockery. The frustrated viewers are only that way as they give Jon some kind gentle clues (like they were doing) but then received nothing but hate back from Jon when it was ALL his fault. Love you Jon, but it's on you.

[@sp0ckz0mbi3]

Yeah if Jon doesn't get the answer in like 10 secs he just fucks off.

[@JediS1138]

"Claire I've lost the (cocking) moon!" -Jon 2019

[@robjames4032]

Loved seeing this. For whatever reason this stream was really enjoyable, even more than the others I’ve seen. And I’ve yet to watch one that I didn’t enjoy enough to finish the whole thing.... Haven’t seen them all tho, Prolly only close to 2/3 seeing as I only subbed back during his epic fallout 4 runs. I hope to find whatever job it is that makes me love it as much as Jon loves his job. And Claire secretly loves the part of her job where she works alongside him, even tho she knows Jon’s gonna do the Jon thing to her the whole time. Keep up the enjoyment for us all, please.

[@sketchy-gio]

Does Jon ever figure out that on Brittle Hollow his scout says on screen what the structural integrity of the landmass is, therefore hinting at how long until it falls?

[@sirprintalot]

Just want to say though, in the spirit of fairness, that I also made mistakes when I played this alone. I forgot, twice, to put on my suit before leaving the ship. I fell into the black hole a bunch of times. I also figured out a bunch of things first time, including the White Hole Station and getting to the 6th Location on the Quantum Moon (seriously, use the audio scanner thing-y and follow all the Quantum Rules instead of trying to brute force it). I also, however, did things in a completely different order to you AND I didn't have myself playing on stream. I commend you trying to play this on stream, Jon. This really should have been an LP series, but whatever.

[@macattackmicmac]

Jon not understanding the tower of quantum knowledge puzzle despite it being spelled out for him is peak Jon.

[@TheGrinningViking]

I just realized Jon can't finish this game without crawling up into a jellyfish. Jon's pretty dense this time, but delightful all the same. 👍🏼👌🏼🎐

[@punkguy373]

BEST. CHANNEL. EVER. I thoroughly enjoy watching/ listening and this live stream is one of the best EVER! I hope to someday be able to actually catch one live. Keep up the good work, you have helped get me through the worst year of my life and I will be eternally grateful.

[@sirprintalot]

2:40:00 the Seymour Skinner meme, except "Am I wrong? No, it's the games instructions that are wrong."

[@markcakeandcake1053]

*Experiencing the last few minutes of a doomed solar system* I don't like where this is going

[@SquashFactor]

I love how Jon somehow picked the Idiot savant perk in this game too, it's great fun

[@BarbarianGod]

1:35:00 it's actually not that hard to find the tornado, it's the only one that spins in the other way, there's a lab on brittle hollow that you can project into that shows two tornadoes going in opposite ways, not sure if you can get there by foot tho 2:57:00 also it's so frustrating to see Jon constantly over-accelerate at things and then back again and so on.. 3:21:00 it's amusing that he didn't notice the corpse change positions like 4 times or so

[@juggftw4868]

Loved the moment Jon found the quantum moon and very quickly proceded to un-find it edit: Clair: in order to find it you need to be inside a giant tornado which you didn't notice you went into Jon: oh, does this thing live inside a tornado Clair: yeah Jon: oh yeah that would explain why i'm surrounded by tornado How the hell does Jon just accidentaly stumble onto everything

[@ginge641]

Holy shit the sheer amount of time it took Jon to realise that he can use the camera from the ship.

[@scoutobrien3406]

As for heating the backside, our thick atmosphere is what conducts heat behind us, Mercury's backside is -300f/-165c If all the ice on comets melted as they got really close to the sun could there still be ice on comets in general? Comets have almost no gravity so melted water and anything else heated into a non-solid form would just blow away from the surface at the most insignificant push. Which is what a comets tail is, where solar wind and even higher energy light blows that stuff away. The interloper seems to have a tidal lock for game modeling with its swing around the sun *always* facing in one direction but on other comets the darkside during the closest pass still doesn't melt much at all with parts of the front side cracking and melting refreezing along the backside presumably creating those nifty ice spires.

[@XianghuaSmiles]

He's playing a game about time loops and is mad that there's timed events...?

[@scoutobrien3406]

Had to stop watching this series after I decided I needed to play it because of your videos. Watching it now. Can't breathe. Send help.

[@ZumbaMarx]

1:39 for Claire's first audible sigh. Is that a record?

[@Novasky2007]

Sigh? or groan of existential despair.

[@dragonjaw95]

Quantum object don't "exist" while being observed exactly. They just don't change state while observed / remain in the observed states. Existing and not changing is a very different thing jon.

[@Tarantulah]

"seems like the temperature should be more dependent on the distance than the side of the planet"... Jon... What is night time? also the frustrating thing isn't that he's not figuring out puzzles, it's frustrating that he's calling them inneligent when he's been told the sollution without seeing the elegent ways they are meant to be figured out

[@scbtripwire]

Holy shit, Jon's description of the American revolutionary war. 11/10!

[@mintybirdy3850]

I get what Jon was saying about feeling things were not as elegant as perhaps other parts of this game. I do think people who have played this game before are being too harsh as well. He hasn't at all said the game is bad or not fun, just a bit frustrating because what I believe he was trying to get across is that the application of presenting the timed puzzles is the unelegant part, not the science behind it. Because really, the theories are fascinating and wonderous and I am sure Jon would agree, space is cool! However I do believe that he is correct in that there could have been better ways to gauge things so working out the timed puzzles weren't so frustrating for a first time player. It is easy to sit back and be like: Boo! You are doing it wrong! Or getting hecked up by valid critic because you enjoyed the experience of it. Looking at some of these comments, it was a little disheartening. To see how unnecessarily harsh or short sighted people were being and completely taking his comment as a whole; too far when it was merely a constructive critism which could improve the experience and hardly take anything away from it. Anyway, thanks for playing this Jon, I am enjoying the experience and I too got frustrated at the same parts because I too wanted to enjoy space, not get slammed with time puzzles that you literally have no way of figuring out unless you sit there... and observe (which realistically means multiple deaths, that is not fun.) Like you I'd have preferred a more calculatable manner of working the time based puzzles out, not just sit and wait. 😊🛰️🚀🌠

[@nothingmuch6666]

Hi Jon! Wish I could have made it to the stream when it was live but living in New Zealand has its drawbacks

[@mikistenbeck6517]

having absolutely god awful internet is one of them, right?

[@nothingmuch6666]

@@mikistenbeck6517 Depending on where you live, yeah. Currently I'm in Dunedin where fibre is available basically everywhere, so my internet is fine, but I've lived in places where you're lucky to get 2Mb/s downloads.

[@mikistenbeck6517]

@@nothingmuch6666 my goodness, 2Mb/s? that's a snail's pace, jesus,

[@nothingmuch6666]

@@mikistenbeck6517 Yeah, that was a pretty rural area though.

[@mikistenbeck6517]

@@nothingmuch6666 ah, makes sense,

[@MadTurnip]

The only thing better than ancient history with Jon? Modern history with Jon.

[@stormypinkness4030]

Love this game, thanks Jon.

[@SocratesOnFire7]

Broke: Patroclus was killed by Hector Woke: Patroclus's murder was a false flag operation carried out by Dr. Thomas Hockenberry

[@scoutobrien3406]

Agamemnon absolutely killed Patroclus by creating the situation where not-Achilles tried to stand in for Achilles in range of enemy spears.

[@Smeghead76]

Hey Jon, have you ever considered doing a history/mythology collaboration with Overly Sarcastic Productions? Edit: Also, Jon, did you forget about the bit where Agamemnon sacrificed his own daughter so that the Achaeans could get their murder on? And didn't Aphrodite kidnap Helen because Paris decided to give Eris' golden apple to her?

[@Novasky2007]

That guys teacher is from a quantum earth where aristophanes yeeted himself into a rock before writing his plays

[@timothyblazer1749]

Geographic north is the normal to the axis of rotation. Aka if you curl your right hands fingers in the direction of rotation, your upward pointing thumb is the north pole. There is no reason that a magnetic North pole has to have anything to do with a geographic north pole, that we know of, although planetary physicists keep theorizing about it...no hypotheses about what generates planetary magnetic fields have ever been proven. Also, regarding QE, the entangled target particle is affected in the opposite direction. :-)

[@comyuse9103]

gabbro is straight up waifu material ngl

[@maxdon25]

How many times do y'all think Jon going to say infinitely scalable during this live stream.

[@sirprintalot]

I'm sorry, Jon, but.... you keep shouting at the chat that you're reading, and then you skim everything or not read anything at all. Even beyond 2:00:00 you're just skim reading but insistent you're reading. Then you make giant leaps of unfounded logic because you're not reading anything. At 2:05:00 Jon finds another Escape Pod but assumes he's already found that (incorrect, he found it on the Hourglass Twins). He'd have realised his mistake if he bothered to read anything. EDIT: 2:17:30 - Quantum Moon Shrine - he starts trying to create logic about the 'Rule of the Sixth Location', a rule he HAS NOT LEARNED ABOUT YET AND ONLY READ 1 MINUTE BEFORE ON THE SHRINE. He mistakes the Tower of Quantum Knowledge for the White Hole Station when there's a BLACK HOLE ON THE PICTURE. WHY U DO DIS? Also, 'Rule of Quantum Entitlement' lol.

[@megamihestia4049]

All Jon needs to do when in the quantum shrine is turn the lights off, and Jon was so close to have done it accidentally. EDIT: and the most beautiful thing about thsi stream is that Jon didn't manage to figure out the entanglement rule despite the fact that he has already seen it in his video.

[@Mirality]

He was still trying to do it too soon, with only one quantum shrine solved.

[@jackl7566]

goddamnit, read this as the outer worlds. still watched the stream after it finished though lol.

[@NojoJojo598]

After seeing this episode I don't think Jon knows what Newton's Laws of Physics are

[@tortoiseoflegends4466]

Jon's natural lack of perceptiveness, density, bad memory for information and complete lack of understanding of physics, makes this very interesting. Like a Chimp typing Shakespeare but more posh. For a start, solar system != Galaxy. EDIT: Finally finished the entire thing, Jesus fuck, Jon has 0 comprehension skills. Also, he complains about waiting for certain events to pass as "bullshit" but the game literally lets you skip time right at the start, so if you want to check something that happens at the end of the cycle, you can just do that and pass 20 minutes in 60 seconds.

[@RainaThrownAway]

I mean, everything else is dying too. I didn't notice the few times I'd seen the game before NerdCubed showed it in his Completes of the game.

[@EmulatedNostalgia]

You fully destroying the ungrateful colonials was 10/10

[@sp0ckz0mbi3]

Good lord Jon is dense with this one. Although Jon is totally right about the Quantum tower not being good.

[@Novasky2007]

The vid keeps cutting out to an Error at 3:07:00 for me, im leaving this time stamp so i can try and find my place, KZbin is so quantum entitled so inelegant XD 3:07:16 3:08:00

[@Akeldama9]

Not-a-fun fact: After enough time, *our* sun will also grow in size, engulfing the terrestrial planets (i.e. Earth), before exploding.

[@piratekingomega3292]

Brando J yeah but that’s for future generations to worry about for now so fuck them

[@KurosakiYukigo]

Fortunately that will be thousands of years in the future, when humanity is probably already extinct so... yay? Not that we'd really be able to do much about it in the first place.

[@OriginalPiMan]

Not all of the terrestrial planets. Mars is predicted to survive the expansion, and Earth has a chance too, as its orbit will grow in a few billion years to be around where Mars is today. @@KurosakiYukigo Billions of years

[@thekeeper6570]

The sun expands only because its gravitational pull is reduced by the burning. The earth's orbit would grow as the sun's pull is diminished.

[@timothyblazer1749]

Literally Nothing said about this is correct. That being said, it is the result of solar physicists lying to the public. They call it "lies we tell children". I kinda wish i didn't know what the underlying research was... The fusion hypothesis for star formation and fuel is under attack at the moment, but you wouldn't know it...those folks don't want the public to know just how shaky the model is, because it is the model in every science textbook. There is a reason we are spending so much on a solar probe, folks. And on deep field analysis.

[@SoraHjort]

Alright! time to see if Jon can be a little less infuriating than Dan has been in his complete series on this game! *starts watching*

[@Vipertooth007]

Dan's playthrough is much less infuriating than this one.

[@zeroday5441]

Who's Dan???

[@darklordforte8731]

@@zeroday5441 3+ years later, answering the question you forgot you asked and long stopped caring about, and potentially figured out on your own already! Dan is OfficialNerdCubed

[@scbtripwire]

Let's hope Jon never buys a lottery ticket and quits KZbin because the amount of dumb luck on display here is astounding. ;)

[@hopin8krzys]

Jon would win every lottery with his 10 luck, but never realize that because of his - 1 perception

[@dapeopleeaters9887]

mm ik this is really old but its kind of a shame to play this game in a stream environment where everyone is trying to give you hints, where this game is so much better to explore things and come back to them later rather than seeing a puzzle and expecting to solve it immediately (or just straight up being given the answer by the chat in brittle hollow's case)

[@dapeopleeaters9887]

the shame particularly about the brittle hollow case is that the way you figure it out is the "integrity" percentage which is perfectly intuitive -- but the only thing jon got from chat is "just wait" which, to be fair, would constitute a kind of random unintuitive puzzle anyway, chat really needed to just shut up and let him figure things out!

[@CaptainAwsome]

SCP 096 should remid you that a drawing of a thing != a picture of a thing

[@dusgy1]

3:21:30 anybody else notice the body moves? ima just nope outa here

[@Khono]

Jon's perception and debuffed to below zero, didn't it?

[@ginge641]

Ah yes, the egg.

[@pelyphin0]

It's sort of frustrating to watch Jon stumble through all the secrets out of ignorance, but he *almost* makes up for it by being oblivious. By the time he found it, I'm not sure I'd even noticed the quantum moon. I noticed the behavior first on Ember Twin, in the caves. ARGH, Claire's hints. It is so much more rewarding to figure it out alone. Never heard the word "yeet" before. As someone who likes English, I find it annoying. I feel like Jon was tired of chat by the end. Not totally his fault, but kinda. Be firm on the backseat gaming thing with just a rare exception... too much backseat gaming and that happens. One of the chatters had a great point, that everyone is "trying to jump 2/3 through the story." You really ought to be exploring more at this point. The computer gives perfect hints if you need them. Otherwise, just exploring the next site that seems interesting gradually reveals the path. There's some Zen-like purity in it. The game is so much more fulfilling that way. All the hints kill this game more than most others.

[@mircasta]

i have yet to play this game but i already realized that the moon is in quantum entanglement with the other planets and im guessing the "egg"

[@thomasesr]

Can't wait for the next The Fallout 2 episode.

[@thomasesr]

If the warp, you observe someone arriving before leaving, its probably because light takes thousands of a second before it reaches the destination. And the warp its quantum instantly

[@Elfishery]

You get confused easily dont you, like, you know, grammar and such.

[@CaptainAwsome]

also, the British and the French fought over Ohio (the best state.)

[@Elfishery]

Jon's very slow moving stupidity is the opposite kind of play style needed for this game, considering you only have 20 mins before the sun explodes and everythings reset. His slowness has never been so aggravating.

[@Ris3451]

It all restarts anyways, no big deal.

[@bdk336]

Really? Cause what's irritating me is that he keeps missing huge ammounts of translateable text.

[@Elfishery]

@@Ris3451 yeah it all restarts but you won't make any progress if you can't get thru the puzzles in time to get new information in your ships log thing, and he spends sooo much time just standing around making pointless snarky comments and complaining about the puzzles not being clever enough, he would make the worst first responder ever I stg

[@redleader4512]

58:00

[@timothyblazer1749]

Every single Kerbal Space Program player: "flipping zero orbital mechanics!!??? Torch drive???!!!" :-)

[@ponticrook8208]

jon, am i supposed to be able to comment on this

[@DonnaPinciot]

It's unlisted; it'll probably be made public in a few days.

[@rolandgunslinger37]

The saddest thing about his explanation of the American Revolution is that Jon is not wrong. The sad truth most Americans only know "No taxation without representation!". Then you ask them what that means and they have no idea. I am amazed and appalled by how little most Americans, which I am one, know of their own countries history. The worst offenders are the ones who call themselves real Patriots most of the time. I can't even begin to count how many times I've had to explain that the 2nd Amendment cannot have aspects stripped out of it or removed. It's obvious those people know nothing about the Constitution.

[@OriginalPiMan]

Even if the founders really believed that the right to bear arms should be without any limitation, they were only human and only had the context of mid-late 18th century society and technology. They didn't know of fully automatic weapons that are pointless for self defence, and they had no concept of SWAT teams giving your local police force the same equipment as the army. The words of fallible humans 250 years ago should not be taken as gospel. There are many bad reasons for there being more guns than people, and very few good reasons.

[@rolandgunslinger37]

@@OriginalPiMan Add to that those same people misread, including some Supreme Court Justices, the language of the 2nd Amendment. I've heard it argued that the commas somehow alter the Amendment to mean two things in one sentence. That would be a first in the English Language. See the first sentence above for an example. Also that "Regulated" somehow doesn't mean what it has meant for Centuries now.

[@OriginalPiMan]

@@rolandgunslinger37 The meaning of regulated has changed in that time, but not in a way that helps their arguments much. At first glance, some think it means that the right to bear arms is supposed to have plenty of regulations, like waiting periods and background checks, but no. Regulated in this context is more closely related to the word "regular", meaning well trained and disciplined, like the British regulars. That means that the purpose of the right to bear arms is to be part of a disciplined state militia (not just some haphazard gathering of gun nuts), and therefore a requirement that everyone undergo military and firearms training before they are allowed a gun is quite reasonable. Alternatively, the constitution was built to amendable, and the second amendment should itself be amended.

[@rolandgunslinger37]

@@OriginalPiMan That's the biggest problem with the language used in that Amendment in particular. The word "regulated" can mean multiple things. That's one interpretation and the one I inferred is another. Both may actually be true though to a certain degree. The language is just to ambiguous.

[@derektroutman4793]

I wont argue whether or not it should be changed or removed, but the argument that it cant be removed is just wrong. Yhe constitution (and its amendments) was designed to be able to be changed. The bill of rights were changes that were made to the constitution. It is possible for any part of the constitution, including the bill of rights, to be changed or removed. Whether you think it should or shouldn't be altered, that's another argument. But it legally can be changed

[@thomasesr]

Gotta love the quantum entitlement theory

[@thomasesr]

Watching Jon TRY to pilot a space ship is the most cringy thing I've ever seen

[@arthurdouwes5821]

am I the only one who feels clare is lowkey abusive?

[@ginge641]

No, but she should be.

[@cityuser]

This game seemed good for the first half of the stream, but the 2nd half just showed that it's really pretty rubbish.

[@GrimKhazi]

Your rubbish

[@sirprintalot]

You're rubbish. This is Game of the Year.