2020 Ford F-250 7.3L Tremor Review: Towing with Ford's 'Godzilla' 7.3 and Tremor Super Duty

[@hamhouke]

I have the 7.3 Tremor 250 to pull a true off-road camper. It’s a hell of a paring. I travel with this rig full-time and live out of the camper. 23K miles in less than a year so far. My existing camper only weighs a touch over 4K lbs and it is insignificant behind this truck. The plan is to upgrade the camper to a unit that weighs about 7K at about 26 feet. Something like a Black Series HQ-19 or such. No need for the Powerstroke, but the off-road capabilities pared with a truly off-road camper is where the need for this truck sits. There are a lot of us digital nomads on the roads these days, so this configuration isn’t as niche as it seems to a traditional truck buyer.

[@OutMotorsports]

It's definitely the right truck for an owner like you! Should do just fine with that new camper - safe travels on your adventures!

[@dropthepost7803]

Maybe reviews should come after living with them. The ride with the Tremor is better then stock no Tremor, tire psi can come down and add to the ride comfort with out a load. We’ve only had ours for 2 weeks and km/100L is around 17. Our 2015 F150 5L was at 13km/ 100L. The trucks not even broken in yet and we are back country 4x4 driving on snowy roads. For the size and capability. This truck will be amazing.

[@OutMotorsports]

We had it for a week and lived with it as many, many buyers will. That's to say, daily driving (hauling air) with some towing thrown in. Yes, it is a very capable truck and it's awesome that Ford is selling one basically modified as some would through the aftermarket, but in a more cohesive package and with a warranty. If you're using it day in and day out as a truck and much of that is also in an off-road setting, it's a very good package. Tires on ours were inflated per door jamb sticker which is clearly not a Goldilocks sort of number.

[@JeepCherokeeful]

Post one please!

[@dropthepost7803]

@@JeepCherokeeful would like too. But up in Canada we are full snow covered and campers are parked for the season. Once spring hits and we get a chance to haul I’ll post a vid for sure. Thx.

[@JeepCherokeeful]

@@dropthepost7803 some Canadians use campers in winter;)

[@dropthepost7803]

@@JeepCherokeeful yup. Just not us.

[@benjaminlewis3600]

Gotta say, my 2020 Tremor Lariat with the 7.3 has been unreal. We tow a 13k-14k 5th wheel depending how much gear we bring. The ride quality both loaded and unloaded is just fine for my taste. I wasn’t seeking a tremor but the payload numbers on our truck were what I was looking for. I’ve put about 7k miles on it since June. I’ve done a wide variety of driving both loaded and unloaded, mountains and flat highways. No complaints from me whatsoever. Towing we get about 10mpg and unloaded I’m about 13 city and I’ve seen as high as 17 on flat(ish) highways. For a truck this size with these capabilities out of a gasser, I’m pretty happy. I say if you like the truck, it makes you happy, rock on! Enjoy it!

[@OutMotorsports]

Glad yours is working out well for you! 17 MPG unloaded is pretty good for how big it is and how much it'll haul/tow.

[@benjaminlewis3600]

@@OutMotorsports yeah. That’s using eco mode and doing about 60-65. On a more hilly type of highway I’m about 14-15 unloaded highway.

[@15Jeep]

Does your truck have the 3.55:1 or 4.30:1 gear ratio?

[@OutMotorsports]

@@15Jeep Every Tremor has 3.55

[@benjaminlewis3600]

@@15Jeep 4:30

[@15Jeep]

Good Review. That said, I respectfully disagree with your comments on ride quality @ 12:22 ......ride quality does not suffer with the tires and suspension. The ride quality with the Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac 285 / 75R - 18 tires and softer Tremor Package springs is much better than a Standard Super Duty or other Class 2 and Class 3 trucks. It might be a little rougher ride than a Class 1 "grocery getter" truck.....but will do much more.

[@Abuzac]

Grocery getter! Maaaaan… why you dawging us out lol. We look pretty in it. Thank you very much 😂 jk.

[@15Jeep]

@@Abuzac Ha, Ha, Ha! Hey....make no mistake.....I really like the GM V8 gas engines....just do not like the Chevrolet and GMC 4WD trucks. Those trucks just don't get it done off-road in the Rocky Mountain states.

[@marckruse2181]

You created a nice review. I disagree that the Tremor has a rougher ride than the non off-road Super Duties. I have a Tremor Diesel and the ride is very comfortable unlike in most other Heavy Duty trucks. You have softer suspension and more tire!

[@hasley84]

Agreed. Tremor has a softer spring rate and the larger tires with increased sidewall should help the ride quality over the 20inch standard wheels and tires.

[@15Jeep]

You and 903 Motorsport are exactly correct

[@anthonyc993]

I just bought a new 2020 ford f250 lariat with the 7.3, and so far it has been a good truck. Time will tell. I traded in my 2016 ram 2500 cummins. Diesels are getting ridiculous with all the emmisions on them.

[@macgyver515]

I'm ordered the same, also coming from the Cummins. Any complaints/concerns with the new truck, yet?

[@lakebuster]

I almost did the same, I sold my 16 CTD to a friend as I never tow heavy and just picked up a 2021 Ford Tremor with the Lariat Ultimate package. After 600 miles tires have quit wondering on highway. He is correct it does not sip fuel as I get 12 in town and 16 mpg at 70. I also aired all tires to 60 psi and it rides much better. But a perfect truck for my needs!

[@anthonyc993]

@@macgyver515 so far so good. Only have 600 miles on it. Has good power and warms up much faster when it's cold outside. Haven't really found any negatives , besides it does like its gas. Where I live it is hills pretty much to and from town.

[@anthonyc993]

@@lakebuster I am getting around the 12 mpg myself. So far it has performed well. Haven't towed anything yet. I had to purchase a new mount and wiring for the truck for my boss v plow. Waiting to get some snow to see how it plows.

[@macgyver515]

@@anthonyc993 I am very excited for mine to arrive, but the wait is brutal.

[@billysmith5977]

I can buy a lot of gas for 10k unless you need maximum towing capacity there’s not really a reason for diesel. Especially with def and the other emissions shit on new diesels

[@15Jeep]

The $10K savings for not buying the optional 6.7L diesel gives you the standard 6.2L gas engine. If you buy the optional 7.3L gas engine, the additional cost is about $2000 over the standard 6.2L gas engine. The 7.3L gas engine cost about $8500 less than the 6.7L diesel engine.

[@billysmith5977]

@@15Jeep I can live with a 2k$ upgrade not a 10k$ upgrade... the 6.2 is useless now that the 7.3 is around unless reliability proves to be an issue with the 7.3 time will tell.

[@15Jeep]

@@billysmith5977 Good Comment. I completely agree...and like your use of the "unless reliability" words. Yeah...$2K instead of $10K, not to mention the expected maintenance and repair costs for the diesel engine. Although the 6.2L is not literally useless...it is practically useless with the introduction of the 7.3L.

[@proudamerican5518]

While I disagree with some of the points you highlighted, I respect your honesty and candor. I personally love the ride of the Tremor and the 10 speed, but if everyone who reviewed the truck agreed with me, there would be no point in the reviews. Thanks for taking the time to put this out.

[@OutMotorsports]

Thanks, Dan! The 10-speed is generally good and our critiques were kinda nit-picky... the ride, though... it's hard to get a 3/4-ton truck to ride well unloaded no matter what, but our test truck seemed especially rough. Fine, of course, once you got weight on the hitch (or in the bed). Glad you enjoyed!

[@15Jeep]

@ 6:35 - the 10 speed transmission in the Super Duty trucks is the 10R140.....NOT the 10R80. The later is the 10 speed transmission in the Ford F150 trucks. The previous transmission for the Super Duty was the 6R140 and the F150 trucks had the 6R80.

[@mattbram8993]

Best review I’ve watched on the 7.3! Thanks!

[@georgegeorgepht]

Excellent presentation sir. I was on the fence about a gas vs diesel. But being a truck driver, I know way to much about def and regen and know it’s the kiss of death. I’m not interested in deleting a truck I just bought. So the gas it will be for me. This seals the deal. Thanks.

[@OutMotorsports]

Thank you and congrats on the upcoming purchase! Modern diesels are great if you really need them, but there is a reason a lot of people (and companies managing fleets) are going to big-block gassers.

[@Kingcold2002]

I can’t wait to get that tremor f350 with the diesel king ranch package because the tremor is perfect when I go to dirt messed up roads when I go fishing and haul both my 4 wheeler and boat

[@howardriggins4010]

Reviewer made mention of gears skipping in the lower numbers. It’s hardly noticeable. If you want it to go through all the gears put it in sport mode. But going through every gear might be more important if you’re towing. Not casual driving.

[@loverjoeyable]

Awesome review sir, and it does big boy look fantastic, look a Beast as Truck Man’s toy, I’ve thought quite sometime to get myself one not necessary platinum, just in mid range like Lariat with Tremor package with it, I own F-150 FX4 but my attention now is that big boy F-250 7,3 L V 8, thanks for reviewing about what the truck meant to be, such a low cost maintenance etc but, the Truck is sound and look fantastic

[@chaddaniel5796]

Great overall review but I respectfully disagree on the ride difference on the Tremor. I have an 2012 F250 diesel every day driver that rides decently. I've driven two new 2021 SD's with the 7.3L gas, Non-Tremors (one F250 and one F350), and they rode similar to my '12 diesel, though clearly lighter in the front, which was felt, for the better, in handling. But I also drove a barely used 2020 SD Tremor F250 with the 7.3L at the local dealer and it was the Goldilocks setup for me: Still rode like a truck (which I prefer) but was noticeably softer riding than the non-Tremor SD's I've driven, including my diesel (and far softer than our 6.2L gas SD F250 at work). And the everyday driving and acceleration with the 4:30 gears was a night and day difference vs. the non-Tremor SD's with the 3:55 or 3:73 gears. My last two SD's have been diesels and they have provided me with over 16 years of great service but after watching and reading reviews, driving the new 7.3L Tremor and evaluating the cost of the diesel upgrade for my driving needs, and it simply no longer makes sense to buy another diesel for me. These Tremors seem to be the best all around package for on and off-road capability, tolerable ride, and towing/payload capability. Was very impressed with the 10-speed tranny during my test drives. These trucks might be a jack of all trades, master of none. But I say it's the Goldilocks truck for those who need their truck to do a wide variety of tasks and need something more than a half ton...and look darn good while doing it! I think I'm sold on a 7.3L Tremor, but am holding out for one more model year - hoping some of the new F150 changes will carry into the 2023 SD's, like the on-board generator option, interior material improvements and the new dash displays. Thanks again for the thorough review. Well done overall!

[@RobertHamiltonabout]

This was spot on 👍🏼

[@Jassman3536]

I wanted a Tremor but opted for the Sport Package and then got the Carli level 3" system which added 3" springs in front. 1" taller than the Tremor and I changed my F250 2" block to a 3.25" F350 block. The system came with softer but progressive springs in front, 4 Carli shocks, sway bar and a few other things. Cost was about 2k including labor...still 2k less than the Tremor, and rides substantially better, more like a 1/2 ton. I then went with 37" tires and some different wheels which cost me about 3200.00 Truck stance looks amazing and I wish I could post a pic sitting side by side against a stock Tremor. Main thing is the ride for me and the Towing is the same. It is more leveled, looks better, rides much better than the stock tremor. 35k miles and have been pleased switching to a gas vs diesel.

[@dphoenix1]

The one thing I’d also point out is this is Ford’s first OHV/pushrod V8 in the F series since 1996 (the old 5.0 may have soldiered on in the Explorer for a couple more years after that, can’t remember), and it’s their first clean sheet OHV V8 in many, many decades. They went all in on OHC V8s starting in ‘91 - a move the other two of the big three didn’t make. So the announcement of this engine really took me by surprise. And that gets at really what I want to know, that no auto journalist has really done a deep dive on: WHY? Sure there’s the offhand comment about simplicity and reliability, but there’s got to be more to it than that. As you mentioned, the V10 was dead-nuts reliable, as were the 2-valve non-VVT 4.6 and 5.8 (see: million mile van), so they know how to make a low-maintenance OHC engine, and probably could’ve come up with a more powerful replacement for the V10 that derived from the modular platform. Power figures on this new engine are decent for the era, but aren’t gonna blow anybody’s skirt up. It’s a big block, so fuel economy is never gonna be great. And I can’t say I’ve seen or heard much demand for a new OHV engine, nor are people beating down dealers’ doors to get their orders in. I guess it boils down to this: coming up with a clean sheet engine design isn’t easy or cheap, to say the least, and likely even more expensive for Ford given they haven’t done any in-house OHV development in decades. I know the bean counters wouldn’t have approved it without some really good reasons, and I’m just extremely curious what those reasons are. Do they plan to develop this into a platform to replace the modular? There’s got to be some compelling logic behind it, because from where I’m standing, this whole thing really came out of left field. And that isn’t to say I’m not excited about it. Hell, it’s a new V8, and from a manufacturer that’s been recently betting big on four and six bangers boosted to the moon - they have their place, but it’s nice to see V8s aren’t completely dead, at least not yet. I just feel like we haven’t got the full story yet. Whether Ford will provide that information or not, who knows, but from articles I’ve seen, I have no idea if anyone’s actually pressed them on it.

[@OutMotorsports]

We’ll see what we can find out, if anything.

[@DanMar5858]

Also, it seems like Ford has plans to phase out the 6.2L V-8 which is the base model engine in the Super Duty lineup. And BTW, if you’ve tried to find a truck with one of these engines on a dealers lot...good luck! They are selling like crazy! I’m on some Ford forums and many are trading in their 6.2’s that are 1 or 2 years old just to get this new 7.3L engine. I own a 2020 Tremor w/ the 7.3 and it is a great truck! My last Super Duty had the old 7.3L Powerstroke Diesel and this engine feels more powerful and mated to the new 10 speed transmission it drives like a dream!

[@15Jeep]

The OHV V8 has a lower rpm torque band / range compared to the OHC V8. So...that'd be the reason for the building a big OHV V8 from the ground up. Ford made a good decision to build the 7.3L OHV V8 gas engine for the Super Duty trucks The 6.2L SOHC V8 (aka - 6.2L Boss engine) gets it's engine DNA from the "holy grail" of Big Block V8's....but not the big block Ford 429 Boss...instead, it is the big block Ford 427 V8 SOHC. It is the big block Ford 427 SOHC V8 (aka - Cammer) that Ford built to compete against the Chrysler 426 Hemi V8.....and was later outlawed by NASCAR cause the little Pentastar and Goodwrench boys were crying in their beer. Moreover, the big block Ford 427 SOHC V8 kicked but on big block Chevrolet V8's and big block Chrysler V8's...including the 426 Hemi at the drag strip. In addition, it is the same engine that later became internationally famous for beating Ferrari a few times in the 24 Hour of Le Mans race. The SOHC V8 and DOHC V8 engines have a higher rpm torque band / range compared to OHV V8 engines.....thus better suited for car platforms. That said, the 6.2L SOHC V8 was a good choice for the Ford F150 Raptor 4WD which with the IFS axle is designed for "high speed" off-road. The a low torque band V8 is better suited Super Duty trucks with the Solid Front Axle for towing...AND offer better articulation off-road on uneven terrain, especially in mud and snow. Ford Ford Super Duty with the Tremor Package is an excellent choice for an owner who needs a truck for towing...and wants good off-road capaility......upgrade to Carli suspension with Front Sway Bar, Deaver Rear Leaf Springs, and King Shocks for excellent off-road capability. Might sound like I am a total Ford guy.....and I am for trucks. However, on muscle cars...equal opportunity...like 'em all...but favorites are the 1969 Chevrolet COPO Camaro with big block 427 V8 and the 1969 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-500...not the 428 V8 Cobra Jet.....but the 427 SOHC V8. Modern muscle cars, I prefer the 2014 or 2015 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 with the 7.0L small block V8...awesome suspension.....and increase in HP is easily attained.

[@danielleveque9167]

There is in fact one engine (possibly more, similar to our beloved modular family 4.6 5.4 6.8) being built based off the new 7.3 and it's going in the new '22 mustang and will be an option in the '22 f150 as well as the raptor R. It will be a 6.8L ohv all aluminum block with the 7.3 heads and 7.3 bore spacing with either a shorter stroke or smaller bores not sure which. So far the only names i can find is 6.8 windsor or baby zilla, no code names as of yet but very exciting none the less. I owned a 4.6 from new for 16 yrs and it was absolutely bullet proof. I now have a 2017 5.0 f150 and its a great mid range and top end rever but lacks low end torque for towing. I dont trust ecoboost long terme reliability and i dont need a 3/4 ton to tow a 6000lbs camper or 2 quads. A new baby zilla v8 f150 with somewhat decent fuel economy that is low end torque biased vs dohc mid top end bias would deff be on my radar !

[@denverbasshead]

Dude this engine was meant to replace the 6.2L and old V10. Ford said they needed something reliable and with low end torque for their commercial customers (which is why this engine was designed.) Ford said they reverse engineered this and started the design by asking what their commercial drivers needed in a new engine. Turns out and oldschool pushrod big block V8 was the most effecient way to go. I have a 250 crew cab long bed and get 14mpg empty on country roads. Its amazing

[@leer9031]

You are spot on with the 10 speed - definitely prefers to be loaded or on the throttle - if you "pawpaw" it around it wil drive you crazy

[@baseball373]

7.3L GODZILLA Emblem Decals... found They have them for the Doors and Tailgate they are on ebay under 7.3L GODZILLA DECALS

[@3sticksoutdoors]

I just put a chrome/black 7.3 emblems on my doors tonight.

[@reillystsb]

What if you drive it tow Hall mode That should make the transmission stay in gear longer

[@FordF250Tremor]

Thank God Transfer Flow offers a 56 gallon tank. That should be a factory option. Waiting for my 56 gallon to come in and install. With diesel now $ 1.90 more a gallon makes the 7.3 a no brainer unless you are towing 15k plus regularly

[@josephcraig765]

Another important note. 7.3 equips Temors have a different leaf pack and rear axle. The 6.7 tremors have a beefier leaf pack comparable to the 350.

[@shaunharrison9618]

I think you may have been close but not really correct. The F250 and F350 Tremor have the same rear leaf pack. However the F350 has a larger rear axle which is why the payload and towing is higher. Rear springs are the same though.

[@josephcraig765]

@@shaunharrison9618 I wasn’t sure if they were the exact I’m just going off of what I’ve seen but couldn’t confirm they were the same. I’ve also heard conflicting things that the tremor also has the 350 rear axel. If that’s true I really don’t understand why it wouldn’t be badged 350.

[@shaunharrison9618]

@@josephcraig765 well I bought a 2021 F350 Tremor and asked the dealer what the difference was between that and the F250 Tremor because I already knew the suspension was the same in both. I was told the F350 had a larger diameter rear axle but now I am not so sure. I did some checking and it apears they lied to me and they are both the same. I can't say 100% one way or the other. I am pretty sure the F350 has a higher payload and towing numbers than the F250 but if suspension and axles are in fact the same I am not sure why? 🤔

[@josephcraig765]

@@shaunharrison9618 I have no idea that is an odd thing to do right? I mean I’m not complaining though on my end lol. I am guessing squat with my trailers won’t be an issue though haha

[@OutMotorsports]

All Tremors get the "standard rate" F-350 rear leaf springs. Front coil springs are unique based on which engine you choose but not based on 250 vs 350. We can't find any clear differences otherwise based on some quick searching.

[@ripfletching]

Love this truck

[@meatandmetal7764]

I love how reviewers always say it rides terrible. LOL You're buying a 3/4 ton to TOW.... Not to have a Cadillac ride. And BTW , I loved my V10 , it wasn't a race car but pulled great and never had a single problem with it.

[@OutMotorsports]

Just worth making people aware if they think an F-250 is a suitable daily (somehow) the ride is kinda harsh unless you’ve got a bunch of weight on the rear! And yep, the V10 is super stout for the most part, there’s a reason it was used so widely for so long. Finally had to replace it but it was fine for a lot of folks.

[@billysmith5977]

The cab and chassis start with the f350 and go to the f750

[@Garagegraderacecar]

I blame AEV and their light overland builds on 2500 rams. they wont legit overland, but thes+2500 trucks become huge camping machines... and they are all towing their side by sides (at least on I81)

[@OutMotorsports]

Seems like they'd be useful out west! We just don't have nearly as much space to roam on the East Coast and the truck felt kinda big for our style of off-roading here.

[@Garagegraderacecar]

Out Motorsports getting to some of the “paddock” areas at these dirt bike, side by side, off-road parks on the east coast aren’t too fun. Creek crossings, wash outs, etc... all while towing. But you are right ... 99% of these folks are buying them to show it off because they have been using regular trucks for years doing the same stuff

[@ajsomp]

What’s the difference between the FX4 vs Tremor? All I can really find is the limited slip front differential. Maybe I’m just missing something. Thanks!

[@OutMotorsports]

Hey Drew - so first of all, FX4 is available on more Super Duties than Tremor. Tremor requires a single rear wheel configuration and only certain trim levels are eligible. Assuming single rear wheel configuration: FX4 gives you 33" all-terrain tires and a locking rear diff, skid plates for transfer case and fuel tank, "off road tuned" shocks, and Hill Descent Control. Tremor adds to FX4 by swapping the 33" all-terrains for 35" "off-road" tires and unique wheels. You get different axle gearing (4.3's on 7.3L gas, 3.55 on 6.7 diesel) which is optional otherwise but guaranteed here. Ride height is taller due to different front springs and front approach angle is better thanks to a unique front air dam. Front diff is limited slip as you mentioned. Vent tubes are added to the transfer case and axles to help with deep water crossing. And Ford gives you more software stuff with Rock Crawl and Trail Control modes.

[@mashpataters1012]

Whats the RPMs like? I assume this has the 4.30 diffs in it? Rev quite high at highway speeds or relatively low rpms?

[@OutMotorsports]

Yes, every Tremor has the 4.30s (it seems to be the easiest way to find a Super Duty with them) and while it revs higher at highway speed than a taller-geared F-250, it wasn't obnoxious at 65-75 mph given the 10-speed. Can't remember exact RPM but maybe 2k or so? Pretty unobtrusive.

[@mashpataters1012]

@@OutMotorsports Right on, thanks!

[@douggore1431]

I have a 2021 tremor with the 7.3 liter. At 70mph the rpms are 2000.

[@legion1630]

That will be me flexing..life is short..i tow 2 x a year

[@lightning9279]

So you are on record saying the 250 and 450 have the same frame ect?

[@nathanbehling823]

Can you elaborate if you’re using the tow/haul mode and what differences you notice from normal drive?

[@OutMotorsports]

Yes, used T/H mode - biggest difference is changing the shift mapping so it delays the upshifts longer than usual to let the engine use all of its torque and power band, and auto-downshifts quickly under light braking or going down hills to help slow the rig (or maintain speed) and save the brakes.

[@15Jeep]

@@OutMotorsports Very Good description of Tow / Haul

[@nobodyimportant4171]

Tremor also has 4.30 gears...

[@MrDraper38]

Great video

[@OutMotorsports]

Thanks!

[@AP-lh1bq]

Solid video.

[@OutMotorsports]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed!

[@thelasthallow]

i keep trying to spec out an F250 with the tremor package, but i cant get the paint matched bumper.

[@OutMotorsports]

Which trim of F-250 are you configuring? You may have to step up to certain variants of Lariat or Platinum to get the paint-matched bumper. We just built an XLT Tremor that appeared to still have the chrome front bumper on the configurator.

[@thelasthallow]

@@OutMotorsports yeah i looked its only available on the platnum level, eh no big deal i. i think the blackout package will do just fine on the lariat.

[@DangerClose805]

I’m in construction and just want a big truck

[@tomfoolery5033]

“To fit 35”a you need lift it or trim the fenders... but Ford just stuck these 35’s on and they fit........ ....... now there is a lift kit on this truck” 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@SauceHK]

Really only need 2 inch lift for 37", 3 is better.

[@tomfoolery5033]

@@SauceHK don’t know what superduty’s you’re talking about, but you only need to level 2017 and newer to fit 37’s.

[@SauceHK]

@@tomfoolery5033 yeah a 2in or 3in level is what I meant.

[@tomfoolery5033]

@@SauceHK 👍🏻

[@tomfoolery5033]

@@SauceHK BTW.... I was quoting what he said in the video. I was making fun of the fact that he said Ford just stuck tires on and they fit, and then mentioned the lift kit.

[@danielsnook5029]

When are people and manufacturers gonna stop trying to turn trucks into off-road vehicles?!? They aren't and never will be Jeeps, they're built for towing/hauling. Rant complete.:)

[@legohead6]

Youve clearly never seen some of the places ive hauled my excavator into for a job. There are lots of reasons to need an off road capable truck where the end goal isn't simply to go off roading.

[@Icutmetal]

Nice troll.