The Honda Prologue Left Us Whelmed - Kyle's First Drive Summary | Episode 273

Join Francie and Kyle as they sit down to discuss the new Honda Prologue. The Prologue is built in collaboration with GM. Kyle explains how the specs are competitive and also somewhat unimpressive.
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[@renes7944]

Love the information on all these videos but I must admit Francie is the main reason I watch…..so beautiful and a great presentation of material. Keep up the great work.

[@James_Ryan]

Indeed she is beautiful, but I'm just here for Kyle. :)

[@stargazer3828]

Seems like a nice compliance EV in order to avoid buying carbon offset credits from Tesla!

[@darrinv6798]

It looks great and has conventional looks and features (pull door handles! Knobs to adjust temperature and volume! Turn signal stalk!). I think it’ll sell well.

[@remyd8767]

it even has 90's era passenger door locks!

[@vlad2838]

There has been precedence between Honda and GM: Some years back, GM’s defunct Saturn division sold a Vue with a Honda V6.

[@joshflaumenhaft3997]

I just leased a prologue, and so far I love it. I'd be willing to to lend it to to out of spec for testing

[@PeaceChanel]

Thank You for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ ☮ ❤

[@ElderNames]

You do understand whelmed means "turned". Overwhelm is overturn. By itself whelm has a sense similar to roll, sway, upset.

[@RooKooRarr]

Mexico🇲🇽? Did Francie road-trip the Vinfast to 🇲🇽? I'd watch that out of spec motoring video 😁

[@davidbaker9943]

No lane centering is a deal breaker and I own a CRV. I am literally their target demographic and they struck out for me.

[@RussBrownFL]

I remember back in the early to mid 1990s when Honda partnered with Isuzu to market the Rodeo as the first Honda Pilot. This was a time when pretty much everybody had a Ford Explorer - like SUV and Honda still wasn’t sure if the SUV trend would continue. Private labeling the Rodeo was a way for them to test the waters until they did their own R&D and came out with their own model. Seems like that’s what they’re doing now by testing the EV market with somebody else’s vehicle. To me it’s the exact opposite of Tesla, and I think Honda is being gutless.

[@chris_favreau]

That was actually the Honda Passport 😉

[@kubi0461]

It’s my favorite styled ev so far, but I don’t trust Ultium at this point. Plus given the recent extreme cold issues and it would be my only car, I think I’m holding h out for the next generation of EVs.

[@fjalics]

I suspect the $7,500 tax credit had something to do with this deal. GM has factories here.

[@ernschin8958]

Can a software update fix the issues with the state of charge that tells you about your mileage and battery percentage

[@ronaldgarrison8478]

Got to admit, this is the very first time *in my whole life* that I've encountered the word "whelmed." If you even consider it a word.

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "this is the very first time in my whole life that I've encountered the word "whelmed." no worries just go with it, it may help to remember that historically the "Cool Kids" are the ones who "set the lingo" for the rest of us "Loser kids". 😃

[@ronaldgarrison8478]

​@@phillyphil1513 I've learned to distinguish what I can ignore from what I have to actually deal with. Crucial for preserving sanity. It reduces the problem from thousands of things, down to a couple dozen at most. So yes, "whelmed" is just one of those ignorable things. I may comment on it, but I still consider that ignoring it.

[@jeffs6090]

The Honda e:Ny1 that Kyle mentioned actually looks like a nice vehicle! It's a shame Honda doesn't bring it to the US. Perhaps because it is smaller (like HR-V), but they could have made it with a longer wheelbase on a stretched platform.

[@TravisBennett-h3i]

I am sure there is an audience for this the vehicle seems sensible and balanced. The exterior and interior looks good but doesn’t stand out. To me this is more of a release designed not to take away CRV sales, but retain former CRV buyers looking for an EV alternative.

[@joshreed1216]

hard sell to most crv owners. its a gm product. CRVs have known reliability. This is an unknown and shaky with gms ev background. and that is a large price jump from a fully loaded crv to even a bas model let alone top trim of this. With little to no benifit in features.

[@TravisBennett-h3i]

@@joshreed1216 that’s basically what I mean. I don’t see an upside over CRV unless you live in a state with outrageous fuel prices. The average public will not know or care that it’s a gm product though and in a few years the ones that do will have forgot anyway.

[@dianewallace6064]

16:00 Hyundai gave me 2 years of free EA charging. I liked that.

[@James_Ryan]

I think it will do well in the US, given the relative lack of competition in that segment (over here in Europe, the eNY1 faces competition from Peugeot, Citroen, Renault, Vauxhall, MINI, Smart, MG, BYD, GWM etc., all of which have leasing deals way lower than Honda's offerings).

[@Angelboy99]

And don’t forget the Tesla model Y, the most sold passenger vehicle in the world, EV and ICE included.

[@FRWD_FXLRST]

lol it’s way overpriced.

[@Pekirt79]

Kyle please explain your comments on how you say it is bigger than the Model Y. The specs say the Model Y is 20 cu ft bigger behind the first row and 9 cu ft bigger behind second row including frunk. I'm so confused.

[@jamespaul2587]

He may be referring to passenger space

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "I'm so confused." no worries regardless of what specs you have in hand, there's just no getting around how the Ultium platform that the Prologue, Blazer, and Lyriq all ride on uses a MONSTROUS wheelbase of 122 inches (for those unaware this is basically same as a Chevy Tahoe). in comparison the wheelbase used for the Model 3 and Y is at most 114 inches or a whopping 8 inches shorter... right so what this means in comparison to any of the Ultium models is, the Tesla 3 and Y are like a "baby's toy".😀 in fact i finally looked at some Lyriqs in person (and outside) at a local Dealer, and while i certainly like the design, i was slightly put off at just how LARGE the bloody thing was relative to all the traditional Gas Caddies on the lot, did i mention i was outside...? yeah this goes some way at explaining how the "averaged" Curb Weight for these vehicles is 5200 lbs.

[@MoreOnEVs]

Nice looking and definitely a more traditional interior alternative to a Model Y. I’m sure it will sell well if they can actually get them made

[@MrGMawson2438]

Its ok cheers Francie and Kyle

[@williamconrad1087]

IMHO Honda says, what does our customer want? GM says, we think they will like this!

[@phillyphil1513]

6:19 - again SOFTWARE...!!!

[@Weezedog]

No one should buy badgengineered monstrosities like this vehicle, it leads to terrible service experiences. You should just get the GM version. If you take this GM EV to a Honda dealership, a brand that doesn’t have other EVs, they won’t know what the hell to do with it or how to service it. Then when GM and Honda breakup up in a few years Honda will not support the platform. You are just asking for service problems down the road.

[@joshreed1216]

Thats why I think it will be a short run vehichle and replaced with a honda ground up vehicle sooner than later. I give it 5 years of production tops, likely less.

[@FRWD_FXLRST]

@@joshreed1216the Honda Sony or Sony Honda vehicles are coming. 😂

[@urbanstrencan]

Would love that Honda borings something like this to EUROPE

[@JP-sw5ho]

So it's $7000 to expensive, it has the wrong charging port for at least the next year, and is likely to be orphaned and unsupported 5 to 7 years from now when nobody makes the prologue anymore. All that launching into the most expensive consumer credit market in most peoples lifetimes is going to be a hard sell

[@BubbaBearsFriend]

The Lane Keep Assist is weak sauce because it's a carbon copy of GM's Lane Keep Assist. I doubt Honda Engineers will be tweaking any of the "GM Driver Confidence" features since it relies on sensors and software that is unique to GM vehicles and not any ones engineered by Honda. I was surprised at how subtle LKA was on my Bolt. If one's hands are on the wheel, applying any pressure on it, LKA will only slightly increase resistance as the car drifts to and past the line, and only beeping when one is over the line by a significant amount. LKA does a bit better if one completely lets go of the wheel and the slight correction it applies will adjust to correct slow drifts towards lines. That's useless for me since my hands are usually on the steering wheel.

[@berthogendoorn2133]

No lane centring, not something I would suggest, especially as it would have been a good road tripper, not the best but really good, come on Honda, get that active lane keep working, how hard is that!

[@thechicken7092]

very interested as a current honda owner.

[@pnketia]

No problems with Software????? Redline Reviews tested it and during the testing of the control display it froze and stopped responding! Also for a ground up EV coming out this late to not have a frunk, 800 volt architecture, no NACS, and no bi-directional charging I cannot see buying this over the Kia EV9 IMHO!

[@Snerdles]

Isn't an EV9 like 75K vs about 50k for this?

[@pnketia]

@@Snerdles A base model EV9 starts at $57,340. The $50k price of the Prologue won't see the light of day because GM limits production of all ultium platform-based EV's because they lose money on them so limited supply equals dealer markups. Expect $65K - $70K out the door price for the Prologue.

[@Snerdles]

@@pnketia No one is actually buying the base model EV9 though, that's the one with the useless battery. Then you compared to the top spec Prologue... That's very disingenuous and manipulative.

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "Redline Reviews tested it and during the testing of the control display it froze and stopped responding!" and not just KC and Sofyan, but also the Straight Pipers (Yuri and Jakub) also had "touch sensitivity issues" with their unit up in Canada (eh?). i suspect the issue is likely with sourcing a cheaper/cost saving interface for Ultium than what they even used in the supposedly "lowly" Bolt and many of their Gas cars (though this likely doesn't explain the outright "glitch-fest" Edmund's suffered in their Blazer, or the "DCFC fails" Inside EV's suffered in that Blazer).

[@1964mcqueen]

This shows just how un-serious Honda is about EVs. A company known for it engineering, after years of dragging their feet on EVs, bring out a boring version of someone else's vehicle. Are they just conceding the EV space to Tesla and BYD? It sure looks that way.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Evening

[@flattire707]

Sorry, it is really not a Honda. I have owned many. I would not buy a GM EV. Does not have the NACS connector yet? Charging credits for non-Supercharger systems are of little value. No lane centering? My Model 3LR/FSD has set the standard for me.

[@susansammy5448]

So its a re-badged Chevy Blazer??? WTH - also didnt realize ZDX is GM based.. Honda is cheapening out...

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "So its a re-badged Chevy Blazer??? A: yes. re: "Honda is cheapening out..." A: also yes.

[@rosmarin2438]

Call it the Honda prolapse

[@DBGE001]

Like the Honda fall through

[@johnpoldo8817]

Stop free DC charging clogging the network

[@kyliefan7]

Pretty sure it’s pronounced the Honda Anyone.

[@davidroddini1512]

I always thought it was supposed to be said more like “Honda, Anyone?”

[@kyliefan7]

@@davidroddini1512 GOOD reply!! I feel for them (in the Sears and K-Mart isn’t around sense) because I have fond memories of Hondas I’ve had but they are all looking like they want to go out of business because they aren’t making any gains on EVs.

[@RW-ur7ym]

This is a huge disappointment! Why buy this instead of the Blazer? I think it’s going to be a service nightmare, similar to the early days of Honda before they had Honda dealerships. I owned an early model Accord. The mechanics were working on an LTD in the morning and TRYING to figure out the Accord in the afternoon. Total disaster!

[@jmbickham]

Because the Blazer is ugly as sin…?

[@MrGMawson2438]

😆

[@surfguy777]

Good luck to whoever buys this. So many drawbacks for the cost.

[@viper5ko]

Upvote if Francie is a BADDIE

[@robertharman4938]

As with many on the market why spend more for a vehicle with a 150kWh max charge rate when competitors offer 200+ kWh capability for less?

lets face it in the next ten years the existing car Mfg's will no longer be around due to extreme competition so iam guessing this is a prelude to a Honda GM merger.

[@avaughs]

We don’t care.

[@johnlabernik4599]

You lost me at 155kW peak charging speed… give me 350kW!

[@MrGMawson2438]

When Tesla FSD and Bot ChatGPT Moment? Brighter with Herbert

[@bluedog9935]

A decent compliance car? Maybe.

[@xkr510]

I wouldn’t touch that thing even if it was free. It has GM guts in a less ugly body. Not a chance. It’s a dud. It’s about as exciting as my refrigerator.

[@MrGMawson2438]

2024 Honda Prologue General Motors EV has 300 Mile Range for $45,000 The Electric Viking

[@MrGMawson2438]

Japan are stuck in a loop

[@phillyphil1513]

POINT: "Japan are stuck in a loop..." COUNTERPOINT: Toyota are selling Hybrids like HOTCAKES, and in 2023 their GR/Gazoo Racing Team won their 6th and 7th WEC Championships with their GR010 Hybrid. also, i just saw a blurb last week that Toyota are now actively testing the 2024 Spec of their winning GR010 Hybrid Racer in preparation for the coming season.