Volvo EX90 Full In-Depth Tour! This Is The Electric SUV I'm Most Excited About

Kyle is in his element checking out the new Volvo EX90 for the first time!
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[@KyleConner]

I also wanted to add but totally forgot, this will be built in South Carolina and should be able to spec a nice one for under $80k (for tax credit purposes 👌) Also, a huge thanks to Tyler at Volvo for helping us bend the rules to sit inside of this display unit while the other vehicle was being slammed with so many people. EX90 just seems so right. Can’t wait for it to hit the roads ⚡️

[@MBergyman]

I love this SUV design - 3-row, plenty of space, Volvo quality interior (so good). I'll unfortunately have to wait for the used market ($$$) but glad to see them coming, and built in US :)

[@Foersom_]

8:12 CCS type-2. World most used charge port. Good.

[@vikramdias5496]

Outstanding review Kyle. I drove the 2004 Volvo 2.5T FWD for 18 long years and fell in absolute love with the brand from a safety, reliability and engineering standpoint. Can’t wait to see the EX90 in a showroom soon. Keep up the great awesome work! 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@richardt2052]

Hi Kyle, great review as usual. I know you're a Volvo fan, I am too; but just curious how does this compare to the GV70 electrified in terms of fit and finish?

[@trevorMshackelford]

Did you get any sense of what a “nice one for under 80k” actually means? Hopefully well equipped for under 80 isn’t code for “base price.”

[@elde667]

I just gotta say: Alyssa is an absolute artist in “filming” these videos! Always a super quality performance even under difficult circumstances such as those encountered here. Awesome job.

[@cbatiau2528]

I agree but am surprised that she's using a smartphone (iPhone?) instead of a dedicated video camera with a better lens, better resolution, etc.

[@ericklein5097]

@@cbatiau2528 The video quality on the latest iphones is so good that for KZbin purposes I don't think buying a dedicated camera is worth it. 99% of people can't tell.

[@cbatiau2528]

@@ericklein5097 understood, but I presume that I'm not alone in watching these videos on a large-screen desktop computer. And dedicated video cameras also tend to have more storage and easier/faster capability for downloading videos. Furthermore, good dedicated video cameras can cost a lot less to buy than the iPhone 12 or 13, whose expense is not high because of the camera...

[@MaxStraesser]

Volvo and Polestar are absolutely killing it. Like-for-like compared to the competition (BMW iX, Tesla Model X, Audi Q8 E-Tron etc) they're offering a noticeably cheaper and yet better product.

[@PeteLenz]

What no one talks about is how much of this tech comes from Geely.

[@MaxStraesser]

@@PeteLenz true for certain components, but I'd argue that LIDAR and infotainment are the biggest innovations, so Luminar and Google / NVIDIA would be the companies to thank for those. That being said, it's unlikely that it'd be profitable to put these technologies into the P3 & EX90 unless cost synergies were found from the economies of scale that Geely provides, so your point does stand.

[@shankhadeepshome3982]

Cheaper, why say better than Model X? You know that based on what?

[@MaxStraesser]

@@shankhadeepshome3982 well for one, the P3 isn't produced by an insecure, petulant, temperamental man-child. Second, build quality and infotainment is superior. Third, design is objectively more appealing for both the P3 and EX90. Lastly, they have actual steering wheels and physical indicators. And LIDAR.

[@krishtandon7394]

While I do agree it is a competitively priced product as compared to competitors (especially Audi and Tesla), the EX90 seems to fall slightly short to the BMW iX. Range seems to be quite a bit less, but we will have to wait for real world tests of course. In terms of interior, I do think the Volvo falls short of the BMW’s. Most notably, the performance figure is quite a bit less, with the performance version of the EX90 having over 100 less HP than the BMW, and driving dynamics are likely not as good. While I definitely agree the Volvo is more appealing to the eyes, I do not think it is really a better product than the BMW (unless you’re looking for a 3rd row). Surprisingly, the BMW is wider and taller than the EX90 as well. Overall, amazing product from Volvo for sure, but BMW’s offering is extremely competitive with this as well. Kyle called the iX “the best electric SUV on sale” a few weeks ago, and it’s easy to see why.

[@jagan0285]

Thanks Kyle for bringing this to us, no matter how many people talk about EX90 at CES, only u can give the feeling of what actually it looks and feels. I have both R1S and EX90 reservations- I don’t know yet which direction I am going to go.

[@arunaryan1983]

I am in the same boat. Add polestar 3 reservation to EX90 and R1S. I am leaning towards the R1S though.

[@PhilKulak]

Exactly. Every other car reviewer just talks about the paint color and the wheels. Kyle's reviews answer every question I have, or failing that, tell me why we don't know yet!

[@rforegger]

This Volvo looks nice. I have the R1S, and it is an incredible machine. If you want a car, get the Volvo. If you want a real suv, then the R1S is likely the choice.

[@MrTjp1906]

As someone who's finally ready to get a EV, your channel is a one stop shop. Great reviews for the cars to different charging options etc. I'm gonna get no work done today watching your videos 😂 thanks for all the hard work you put into this channel for us all... 💙

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

Kyle was vaccinated with a record player needle.

[@michelmasse6225]

I agree with Kyle, the shifter at the right of the steering is the way to go for ease and safety while going forward and backward when parking.

[@randyshanofsky9903]

Great early peek at this nice vehicle, and great interview with the man from the design team. And, per usual, I appreciate Alyssa's fine work behind the lens, especially in this crowded and public situation. Keep up the fine work you two!

[@vikramdias5496]

Outstanding review Kyle. I drove the 2004 Volvo XC90 2.5T FWD for 18 long years and fell in absolute love with the brand from a safety, reliability and engineering standpoint. Can’t wait to see the EX90 in a showroom soon. Keep up the great awesome work! 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@barrylowry127]

Thanks Kyle and Alyssa for another great video! I agree, this is my favorite electric SUV. Volvo killed it with the design and tech! I’ve been waiting for a 3-row to replace my Mustang Mach-E. I placed a deposit on one the day it was debuted. It will be my first Volvo, and one I plan to keep for a long time.

[@rogerthat24]

That headlight tech is amazing.. but it'll be VERY costly to replace when/if it gets hit and damaged.

[@TotallyJoel]

Headlights are def on the expensive side nowadays.

[@gbsorenson]

I own a Polestar 2, we love it so far. I'd like to see an episode on what's coming with Android Automotive, and if it much of the new features/apps will be coming to the current cars running AA.

[@realteamme]

Yeah looks like there was a lot going on in the background about the future of AAOS

[@cbatiau2528]

I wish (as a '22 XC60 owner) that Volvo would drop Google OS and go to Apple for their OS and screens. Porting in the band-aid called CarPlay is a cop-out.

[@Michael-js6gp]

@@cbatiau2528 Android has the most market share globally. It would not make sense to use Apple's closed IOS just to please the Apple fanatics in North America and parts of Europe.

[@cbatiau2528]

@@Michael-js6gp it has nothing to do with phone systems... Apple does a better lay-out than Microsoft does, and we are talking OS for computers here, not OS for phones. Check out the new Apple OS introduced last year for car use: you can configure instrument panels in many ways -- it's just way more diverse and flexible and appealing than the Google OS in Volvo/Polestar and other automakers' cars this year. Google OS in Volvo and Polestar is a failure; ask me how I know.

[@Michael-js6gp]

@@cbatiau2528 You mentioned Microsoft and I'm not sure why. Regardless, are you talking about Apple CarPlay vs. Android Auto? I don't know of any carmakers using Apple as an operating system over Google or something proprietary to the brand. Which vehicle manufacturers are using Apple for infotainment interface?

[@enriqueali]

Those opening/ closing headlights are so next-gen futuristic and beyond cool! 😃😃😃👍👍👍

[@AlijahSimon]

Happy to see that Volvo woke up on the right side of the bed and is switching to the North American Charging Standard (NACS). Will be great to see these at Superchargers! Also, the first implementation of vehicle to load on a NACS connector will be very interesting.

[@javidam]

Nice to see Kyle in his element and showing off one of the best looking SUVs out there and Alyssa filming it all while jockeying with people all around. Really like those aero wheel covers. Great job on the video.

[@andrejensen9002]

Been waiting for this… Thanks for the review. Ordered mine a couole of weeks ago 👍

[@RickardEB]

The door handles from the old 240 are back! Love it!

[@JeroenReumkens]

Really love your videos, as well as the amount of them you’re currently pumping out 🔥 Would be awesome if you could add timestamps/chapters to your video by the way! Keep up the great work 😁

[@kevincozby]

I love my C40 Recharge and am looking forward to getting my hands on the EX90! Thanks for the early video!

[@ChristianBehnke]

Can't wait for the full interior look!

[@CourtneyThompsonPemberton]

Considering the praise sandy just gave Kyle curious to see if they have a video together at CES

[@marcf5399]

It was nice to meet you K. The new volvo platform will require a lot of NVH testing (noise vibration harshness) before it meets the high industry standards at the set price level

[@genosails2]

Thank you camera lady for the fabulous video work, making the video so enjoyable to view.

[@BHBeckenbauer]

Love the design guy talking about ‘electric vehicles don’t need a big grille’ with the i7 in the background 😂 Now this is how you do an EV. So classy and refined. Looks like a futuristic version of a current Volvo - just what people want 👏

[@donicaliubaker9286]

lol saw that too

[@nevea2be]

Great video guys! It really is a beautiful car and can’t wait to see it in person. ❤

[@yhk1977]

Nice review Kyle. 👍🏼 1) will there be a ventilated seats option with the wool seats? 2) massage seats available? 3) captain chairs option / 6 seater option? Keep up the great work!

[@AAhmad3449]

Captain with arm rests!! I hope so

[@BrandonDoyleMN]

Oh hey it’s me at 8:04 I tried to stay out of the shot unlike the other oblivious people in background, anyway nice to meet you both in person. Keep up the great work and safe travels

[@michelmasse6225]

I have FSD on my TMYP+ and I hear that version 11 will improve graphics. Volvo is adopting the Polestar interface and bringing it tôt he next gen. my neighbour has a polestar 2 and the finish is very nice.

[@daviddraddy]

Great walk around! I wonder if they would let you ask about the design efforts put into reliability/maintenance? If the LiDAR unit breaks, do they have to pull the roof off, or can you access from the inside? I don’t think any of us are ready for the cost to maintain functionality on cars with such advanced features like this one once they start aging.

[@BR0SE1DON]

Let’s face it, only well off people will buy this car, very few keep a car for more than 3 years, let alone 5+ I don’t think it factors into the buying decision, it’s someone else’s problem.

[@0p3ragh0st]

This is the review I needed to see. I was on the fence but with my current S60 ER PE that I absolutely love, this just led me to drop a deposit on it.

[@carlagat1075]

It's so cool to see Kyle so excited.

[@ardenthebibliophile]

That center console looks super similar to Rivian's, especially the part where the rear passengers interact with it

[@j-StaR_XXII]

Absolutely loved this showcase. Wasn’t on my radar until now, only wish more companies would adopt landscape displays for sitting at chargers when on road trips to watch movies or shows.

[@gerradwalker346]

That's what Fisker Ocean 🌊 is on.

[@TonmoyGhosh]

Like Tesla?

[@OfficialNintendo]

I love this car and I'm super excited to get it eventually. Oddly enough I don't love not having a grill. I know electric cars don't need it but I think I'm still just not used to not seeing one. One of my favorite parts of my XC60 is the grill and front end it looks so good. We'll see when these go into production though I think its growing on me.

[@philcord4812]

Thanks for the great video as always. I realize it's part of the styling but that hood is big, if you need to get the charge cable out on a windy day that thing is going to take off!

[@philiphelge6835]

Hell yeah Volvo4life! thx for the awesome video Kyle :D

[@daviddickerson495]

Now that we are nearly empty nesters (and no dog), we're leaning toward the Polestar 3. We recently drove a Polestar 2 and were impressed. It is the only EV experience that came close to the Taycan. But I can see how the EC90 would appeal to families or those needing the extra cargo capacity.

[@Knnnkncht]

IDBuzz has Air vents in the rear, you can see them in Bjørn Nyland Video

[@alanhold2468]

Cool stuff from Volvo. Thanks Out of spec🙏👊

[@jcl3j]

@KyleConner Thanks for another great tour. If you get a chance, please ask if it has any towing capacity. I could not find anything on the volvo website.

[@samsacre]

This is why I subscribe! Big big thumbs up.

[@TimothyBaylosis]

YES you listened to my tweet. 30 minutes babbyyyyyyy. I am a Day 1 pre order for this bad boy cuz my April 2022 R1S pre order going to take forever! Time to brewwwwwww a coffeeee

[@charleslewis04]

Those wool seats look sooooo nice. Though the headrest with the massive speaker holes has that unsettling tripophobic feeling to it.

[@slijkhuis]

I love Volvo as well, the only thing holding me back is the Google OS in it. Certainly it can most likely run Apple Carplay and/or Android Auto into it, however I really prefer car manufacturer OS systems like Tesla or some others do. We all know that Google and some other firms stop updates after a certain time and only focus on newer models. So basically the ‘base’ OS should not be Google, nor Apple or Amazon’s. And then I have not started on the Privacy aspect yet. However, it is definitly a beauty. 🙂

[@cbatiau2528]

I think that Apple could produce an excellent OS for cars... Their CarPlay basically sucks, but then it's just a band-aid for crappy infotainment systems out there now... Let Apple design the instrument and main computer screens, but mandate that climate and audio controls be placed back into physical buttons/dials -- and you'll get an awesome system.

[@JoePolaris]

This is a really interesting design, i like the optimizations and the thoughtfulness, Kudos to Volvo ! The top LIDAR cam spot is a good call, offers also scale in the future to add INFRARED/HEAT vision to complement ADAS performance.

[@cbatiau2528]

well, Volvo is missing the boat by not offering infrared camera screens like other automakers have had for years now...

[@George_Paul]

There is no wow factor on this one. When you ask that kind of money you cannot compete that way. When XC90 hit the market it was something new and refreshing. This is not the case for EX90.

[@gregeast147]

Good stuff. Dig the new logo!

[@enriqueali]

Looking forward to seeing the EX40 in a few years' time. Think that will be the sweet spot EV for many.

[@donicaliubaker9286]

Still holding off on CCS until charging network works in all conditions but this car just went to the top of my list. I'm sure i'll be placing a deposit soon to hold my spot.

[@loriallen67]

This is the first large SUV I have ever thought looked nice. I hope the design language moves down to smaller vehicles. Look forward to your review.

[@redwhite_040]

Previous generation was 10x better. This is Tesla 2.0 especially the interior.

[@sneaky_krait7271]

EX30 will be a small SUV with same type of design

[@anthonyc8499]

Great review Kyle and excellent camera work as always from Alyssa! Volvo's decision to stick with 400v means EX90 and Polestar 3 owners are going to be sad pandas waiting at paired CPE250 chargers getting a whopping 80kW instead of the 120kW using 800v.

[@erinmoore6463]

Excited for this. Love our xc40 recharge but definitely need more space.

[@sicario4254]

Man, that is a saweeet ride! I love Volvos !! Had an S60..Pushed that to 300k miles. Yes, in miles!! I drove that car everywhere. Got it brand new and pushed it till it choked. Lol. Looking forward to all the new EVs that are and will come on the market. Super cool! Thanks for all that you guys do. Cheers! 🍻(I take Alyssa got the dibs on the next CES !!)

[@mrmr1734]

My first Volvo was a 97 S70; I loved that car so much that when it was totaled in an accident(not one scratch on me) I kept the grill for years. I lost interest with the most recent Volvo b/c the engines are coarse and sound awful. But this EX90 is EXactly what I'm looking for. This model is making me fall in love with Volvo again.

[@Vsp1140]

I love this car and it will be a contender to place my EV6, but the range concerns me. I really want something more than 300 miles. Winter weather her in Colorado kill the milage and if I can get something with a higher range, it will offset the frustration of the winter range. Great video

[@aaronjones7078]

This .

[@cbatiau2528]

The bigger issue is that BEV automakers absolutely *have* to start focusing huge attention on the public-charging infrastructure! They must help build out EA, Chargepoint, etc., but also push for daily maintenance/oversight of them, preferably by adding covered charging stations and full-time attendants with food (like the "food marts" at most gas stations today). If you get public-charging stations maintained and attractive, the range issues become much less in importance (and tech improvements will address that anyway with time, as well as charging speeds, whereas the actual public charging stations need to be in place NOW, not later).

[@mikeredmond1000]

Hey Kyle, great Video, I love the Volvo EX90 and Polestar 3... but can you review that 777 over your shoulder! Looks to be electric!

[@sevensixtysteve8662]

Stunning car - I am a Volvo fan and I have always loved their different take on car design and how that has not only survived but has been so well executed in this model. Whilst BMW have chosen ugly as their design theme and Mercedes have decided to channel Dolly Parton and spent a lot of money to look really cheap, Volvo have majored on simple, elegant and modern design incorporating cutting edge tech. Love love love this car.

[@kilpatds]

I tend to assume any real V2G/V2H is based on DC, just because that lets you output more power (use CCS to hook up an external inverter to your giant battery: profit. External inverter then gets to be huge if needed)

[@perlani]

Amazing car. Great Scandinavian design as always

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

Damn looks sick!

[@greenfrog58]

Great video! 👍🇸🇪

[@JonathanRootD]

Yup preorder this bad boy. Finally a good FULL size SUV.

[@ajk.659]

Great video - Kyle, you and Alissa should wear Out of Spec Swag when you go to these events - maybe an OOS sweatshirts?

[@tannerdavisr]

Looks really seek and promising. Might have to check out a Volvo for my next car. Not sure how much I like the little lidar bump but we'll have to see

[@kevinkollmansberger9229]

The headlights are awesome!

[@aznboycols]

Shhh...don't tell my sister. She got the XC-40 as soon as it was available and loves it.

[@TeslaDo_d]

Awesome $5000 headlights! LOL! Can't wait for the first small fender bender or when the actuator stops working during a yearly inspection.

[@cusman]

I had a pre-order on the XC40 Recharge, but I ended up cancelling after taking a test drive because I felt it had less storage than my Tesla Model 3 (2018), and we were looking into it to replace our KIA Sedona (2015). This EX90 has the 7 seats we would like, and looks like it is designed for enough storage with seats folder to haul a fridge if we had to. That makes this very viable for our consideration. I can see in your pinned comment that this will be made in US and possible to configure for under $80k to get full $7.5k FTC. When will it be available for deliveries in TX?

[@KCautodoctor]

$500 deposit now to hold your place in the reservation que. Then select color & options in Fall 2023, with deliveries expected in early 2024.

[@cusman]

@@KCautodoctor Thanks. I'll certainly consider making that reservation.

[@fineartz99]

I am genuinely intrigued!

[@andreasl4507]

11:35… don’t forget to check out that dumper!

[@godofdun]

Beautiful vehicle, but the wife and I are really looking forward to a smaller crossover on the same new platform, either a 40 or 60. The Polestar 4 also. Or hell, a bespoke platform V60 ev would also be amazing.

[@plushiie_]

Think that with stuff like autonomous systems and such you either add everything or nothing. So stuff like lidar/radar is essential and it is not enough with just cameras. Especially when you consider all kinds of lighting/weather situations.

[@ericfhernandez]

Kyle - Sorry if someone asked, but would you say the passenger space is similar to the R1S? Particularly curious about passenger width (ie hip/shoulder room)

[@Badgerpat83]

Can't wait until they are drivable. The design looks amazing. Maybe I don't have to wait for an Audi E-Wagon.

[@Ianmundo]

Love it, the EX90 and Polestar 3 are too big/expensive for me. I really want to see the EX60 and Polestar 4 as potential replacements for my Model Y.

[@realteamme]

I have a Polestar 2, and have eyes on the Polestar 4 or EX30 as my next vehicle. Hopefully we learn more about them this year.

[@Isaac-un4cn]

Looks great! Wondering what the ground clearance is for the car? It doesn't look super high up but can't tell very easily.

[@friedputty]

Air suspension, so you choose your own ride height

[@IrenESorius]

Amazing design,, 🥰

[@cypvh74]

Those wool seats look really nice.

[@thatevchick]

Super cool tanks fo rthe share

[@narenp69]

@Kyle corner good info video. Can you compare specs and features R1S vs EX90

[@LaytonKnightt]

One trend I’m noticing (probably for fuel efficiency) is carmakers going back to flappy lift-up door handles, rather than the hoop style ones you pull that seem to be the standard the last twenty or so years.

[@davidck1]

I almost bought the c40recharge but I couldn't because of vibrations coming from the drivetrain and Digital radio DAB doesnt work in Europe

[@nanoflower1]

I can't say I like the idea of having the headlights hidden away as that seems like something that you really don't want to be able to fail (and it will fail eventually.)

[@watershed44]

@nanoflower1 My guess is that there is a manual knurled knob on each headlamp module that will allow you to manually crank the trap door parking light covers open in the case of a failure, but seriously who asked for something this complicated and unnecessary?

[@dsan2509]

Most likely if failed will fail open

[@watershed44]

@@dsan2509 Problem we are referring to will be a failed motor or actuator, when that happens the software failsafe won't help you.

[@jeffsjalops]

Great video as always, Kyle. As a Volvo nerd, we just need a wagon version! (An EV90?)

[@KyleConner]

Would buy that instantly - Europe will get it, probably not America

[@gabrielmillien7439]

Yes

[@cbatiau2528]

@@KyleConner As Jonny Smith (The Late Brake Show) noted in his review of the Polestar 3, it really is essentially a Cross Country wagon in BEV form (roof height, ground clearance, etc.); it is not an SUV...

[@mrabadia]

Volvo - All leather free … “Conscious design” great review as always 👍

[@prawler646]

You will see more models from Volvo in the coming months/years. Based on smaller platforms, with less functions but also a more affordable price. The focus on CES is the Google interaction of the car, which is most likely the reason why you did not get the full chance to interact with the vehicle fully, cause I can tell you most of the things you spoke about which you did not get to see, is functional in the very car you reviewed. You can check the reveal here on youtube to check more.

[@rogerthat24]

@13:47 The wireless charger in my EV6 does not heat up my phone and charges it rather quickly even while using wireless AA (via an adapter). Wireless chargers heat up phones when it's not properly aligned to the coil and/or does not have enough ventialtion from my experience.

[@tonyc6996]

So glad my washer and refrigerator will fit in the back.

[@haolsen3607]

Good that they have the charging port on the left rear so they easily can charge at teslas chargers

[@andreasl4507]

Polestar 3 is the best choice for most people ❤ my order is done✔️

[@jandraelune1]

That full BEV off-highway 777 dumptruck by Catipiler in the background.

[@andrewthomason3857]

If I was there in Kyle’s place, it would go like: VOLVO REP: “blah blah blah Thor’s hammer headlights blah blah blah . . .” ME: “Ooohhhhh! Dumptruck!”

[@rmorales1029]

Check out the Fisker while you are there. I know they are doing drives outside the event.

[@twcz3]

How come you did ask about the lidar performance in the snow? What if snow gets on the lidar camera? Is there heating, will the wiper spray knock off any snow or icy build up?

[@Drumox]

I have an XC40 Recharge and the only disappointment to me is the range. This one was an instant reservation for me

[@jamdoodles]

I really hope over engineered things like the moving lights & the automated door handle’s don’t make it to mass production. I love this vehicle, but stuff like that adds pointlessly to the cost & adds points of failure. Love the lidar on the roof though: that’s where it needs to be.

[@beyondcleon]

All of these upcoming EV SUVs really make me appreciate Rivian’s design! Love this Volvo but Rivian’s front storage (and overall) is extremely impressive! Even when compared to other luxury vehicles.

[@ElectricBlobz]

Do we know if X/C40's will get this UI through OTA eventually?

[@alexdrinkwater28]

Any reason for not liking lightbars kyle?

[@evanhatfield705]

I heard that the new Volvo EX90 is going to have a self driving system called Ride Pilot and the new Ride Pilot system will basically allow you to take your hands off the wheel and your eyes off the road and Volvo’s Ride Pilot system is basically Pilot Assist 3 and i can’t wait to see you make a video of the Ride Pilot

[@anan7s294]

about the headlight, how does dipper (pass light) work with high beam hidden behind DRL? Does the DRLs flash in place of high beam?

[@TheAdventureAuto]

I really love this vehicle. In regards to that lidar location, it seems like the downside would be road debris easily hitting it. How much is a rock chip gonna cost you in insurance? May have to lower the deductible lol.

[@xiaoyang9758]

i have Li auto L9 same lidar location with EX90 ,the replacement fee about 20000RMB = 3200 USD

[@guseks8413]

Looks like a separate glass over the windshield that covers the lidar. Probably easily changeable just like the windshield. Here in Sweden with Volvos insurance changing the windshield is about $150. I imagine it would be simillar to change that glass so it is not a big cost, atleast over here.