Electric Trucks Tow 500mi Over The Rocky Mountains! Cybertruck vs Lightning vs Silverado EV vs R1T

Trucks are meant to work. Time to put these EV pickups through their paces over the entire Rocky Mountain range, twice! From Denver to Grand Junction & back, find out which of these trucks makes for the best towing experience.
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[@OutofSpecReviews]

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[@chrisnicholas5509]

Silverado EV in the next race to Vegas ?

[@jarrodf_]

Appears the Silverado would be the way to go for people actually using EV as a truck (presumably for average daily commutes, with home charging).

[@Slider68]

One thing that would improve the video is if you could add a text overlay stating which truck is being videoed and discussed at that moment.

[@MotoGPatrick]

@@jarrodf_ Until you factor in the inefficiency driving the cost to be the same as gas. GMs bad track record with batteries and only 100,000 mile warranty on them not 150,000. GM made a big pack, only selling 300 to fleet operators at a loss to get attention to pretend to be ahead of the competition.

[@jarrodf_]

@@MotoGPatrick Not aware cost is the same as gas. Tesla's battery warranty is also 100k. Silverado EV is available to retail customers in a few months; dealers already taking orders.

[@Owenscameron]

Kyle at 7:08 "Let's just go for it, let's not make this a super long video." Also Kyle: Publishes 2.5 hour video 😆 Love it!

[@Cowcow211]

My thoughts exactly lol

[@schutrupsg]

I guess for Kyle super long means more than 3 hours.

[@Jordan_Schiefer]

Actual footage was over 5 hours, I had to cut out over half. 😁

[@treborheminway3814]

Time is relative....

[@andyzegerman]

Though one would have to say, if you are trying to get a truck for mostly towing, then a long video like this is research gold.

[@Dannyar10]

Im here to save everyone 2:30 hours. Silverado won by a LOT. 500 mile trip, only needed 1 stop to charge. So essentially, 250 miles of range per full charge towing.

[@TroySavary]

I always look for posts like this in Kyle's videos to save watching it. That guy sure loves the sound of his own voice.

[@jessestone117]

Also has a 200 kWh battery... Nearly twice the size of competition, lol

[@jysmtl]

@@jessestone117The point is that it won this test. By a lot.

[@jessestone117]

@@jysmtl yeah it's just such an unimpressive and unsustainable way to win the range competition. Crazy expensive

[@cterry511]

Booo.. Thanks.. Still watching on 1.75..

[@mattbrew11]

I have ten lightnings as part of my work fleet and they have been flawless. A couple of them are approaching 60k miles. Towing or hauling every day.

[@fastindy]

Out of curiosity, what is the average payload, daily miles, and average towed weight? Or general use case?

[@mattbrew11]

@@fastindy thats hard to state but towing is on average about 5500lbs

[@DustinBigMac]

That's awesome, I'm curious on how far they will do but other than that keep me posted

[@Paul-cj1wb]

All these EV truck tests and races makes this the greatest EV truck series to ever be done and recorded to this point in history. And EV trucks should all have their port on the right front to accommodate pull in charging while towing on V3's and other chargers. Even Tesla fails by not placing their own Cybertruck's port there. We know that pull through stalls will take quite a few years to propagate all throughout the country. And of course, all should be 800v with backwards compatibility with 400v chargers. Either by splitting the pack in two, or a proper on-board DC charger that provides at least 200kw charging on them.

[@Nebula1701]

What everyone is missing is the port location is really dependent on charging equipment location in the truck and the shortest cable run into the battery. It becomes a packaging and efficiency issue with longer runs needing thicker wires.

[@chrismuir8403]

How about 2 charging ports - right front, and rear left. Full compatibility with nose first or tail first charging.

[@bikeaddictbp]

@@chrismuir8403That's pretty expensive to do ... each one needs independent means of electrical isolation. You cannot have the live pins on the same circuit - you cannot have the pins in the unused port live when the other one is being used.

[@bikeaddictbp]

@@Nebula1701It's true, but all of these are all-wheel-drive, and they all have "electrical stuff" with high powered electrical circuits at both the front and rear of the vehicle. Both Ford and Rivian got it right ... and GM has it in the right spot on their other EVs.

[@bikeaddictbp]

I had an intuitive suspicion that a front-mounted charge port would be better for on-the-road charging while towing before watching this video, now I'm absolutely convinced of it. Seems like that's the only main knock against the Silverado.

[@AnshelSag]

I love you guys, but if you're going to do a 2 1/2 hour-long video, could you at least PLEASE use chapters?

[@Noisy_Cricket]

I don't think Kyle/Alyssa use an editor. They seem to be doing all the editing themselves, so that would explain it.

[@londonwestman1]

If your looking at things to improve for the viewer, it would be nice to have a little sign when we switch to know which truck is which. I'm there trying work out which truck we're in from the middle of the steering wheel when it's in shot or the screens. Or from Andreas' accent.

[@CS-qc7np]

@@londonwestman1 we were thinking the same thing.

[@j4k3br4k3]

I just did a 500 mile towing trip in my R1T at 60mph. 1.4 mi/kWh, 5500# load with small area, 3 charging stops. 500 miles towing on 1 stop is insane for the silverado.

[@swedechef9628]

The Chevrolet SilvErado is an absolute game-changing beast. Very Impressed!

[@MH-Tesla]

Until the battery fails because they push the charge rate too much. Win early, lose in the long run.

[@bahamatodd]

@@MH-TeslaThe battery can take such a high charge because of its size. It's really only two batteries charging at about 175 kWh each. It's not strained at all.

[@MH-Tesla]

@@bahamatodd I own a lawn care company. I really prefer an 8' bed, but can work with a 6' bed if needed. Never does a crew go even close to 100 miles in a day. My primary issues with trucks: 1) they don't make me money. They are a necessity to get the crew to jobs. 2) the crews damage (dent) trucks. They also rust quickly. 3) the cost per mile for a truck that has an acceptable body/looks okay, that's what I need. If I get any of these trucks for my company, the Cybertruck is the only one close. Once the price gets where it will after ramp and used trucks are being sold, the only truck for a contractor is the Cybertruck. That's the real work truck.

[@chetsaxton1526]

The charge rate is not to high. 4WT is duel 400 VDC packs in parallel, when charged by EA 350 KW (around 1000 VDC) the two halves switch to series turning it into a single 800 VDC pack. Haven't watch the full video yet, but the Cyber truck is reported to do the same thing going to keep watching to see if that driver gets the same charging speeds when connected to 350 KW / 1000 VDC charger.

[@niktak1114]

​@@MH-Tesla the Silverado charging at 350kw is roughly equivalent to a model Y charging at 120kW

[@Bfranklyn731]

It isn't just a bigger battery in the silverado, it's also fast charging!!

[@evanstumpges1851]

A higher capacity battery is usually complimentary with faster charging. Silverado was definitely impressive in this EV towing competition!

[@Bfranklyn731]

Thanks!

[@orlandosaenz1553]

Silverado also has coolant directly fed into the charge inlet to keep it cool while charging.

[@Bfranklyn731]

@@orlandosaenz1553 👌

[@DustinBigMac]

​@@orlandosaenz1553That's awesome

[@iMaxPatten]

With working chargers the Silverado EV is unstoppable.

[@davidbeppler3032]

If they had the Cybertruck battery extender, this would be a closer comparison. $16k for 47kWh of 450lbs battery.

[@mattbrew11]

@@davidbeppler3032and then your max towing gets destroyed because of the huge payload loss. The weight on that battery is gonna be 625 because it needs to meet DOT regs

[@Saddex]

​@@davidbeppler3032the Silverado would still win though because the battery capacity is so much larger still, 212 kwh vs 170 kwh.

[@davidbeppler3032]

@@mattbrew11 So, still 1500lbs less than the Chevy? Seems good. Also, the Silverado efficiency is pretty low.

[@mattbrew11]

@@davidbeppler3032 no. Your understanding of payload as it relates to towing is non existent.

[@popcornisgood]

Hello from the driver of the transit van you threw shade at after passing at 31:10! 😋 I had just seen your range video and when I saw a bunch of EV trucks towing identical payloads on i-70, I had a feeling it might be you guys. Sure enough! Looking forward to your EV van content someday!

[@DYT-jx4jp]

Cool this part made it into the video 👍😁

[@solomongabert6776]

Whenever Kyle sees a car.. "Wow! Look at that! Amazing old car! I am a huge fan of that car! Amazing! So cool! Wow!" ... and ten minutes later the same conversation.. different car... 🤣 We love it! Keep it up Kyle!

[@lemongavine]

His dad does that too

[@777Outrigger]

Kyle's just a force of nature.

[@tazeat]

It's not JUST big battery though, it's also the solid 800v charging curve. Trucks NEED 800v and big boy curves.

[@oof_Dad]

What do you you think you gain from over 250 kw speed? A few minutes from 0-30%, everything over that is below 250 anyway. Holding 250 kw longer/deeper will increase speed more. 800v is better for cost but cells still limit charge curve.

[@tazeat]

Uh 350kW is 40% more speed over 250kW putting a lot more area under the curve for that part off the charge? The 4WT doesn't taper until like 35%, that's a whole MY LR battery before it even starts to slow. It doesn't go below 250kW until after 60%. Big boy curve. 250kW@400V=625A, which makes some pretty serious heat loss in just the wiring. It just doesn't make a lot of sense for trucks when you need to put in real energy.

[@oof_Dad]

@@tazeat true, the Silverado is on another level with that huge pack. Didn't realize how long it held 350. 250 is fine for the others but that monster pack has a LOT of curve over 250. Should have watched till that part before commenting 😬.

[@Paul-cj1wb]

Yep. Check out the 2025 Taycan curve. It stays over 300kw past 62% and then above 200kw till 76%. It can do that because 800v keeps everything around the pack so much cooler and it's so much easier to cool the cells. Most people can't understand that no matter how much you explain it to them. For example, the Taycan never went past 130F while the 250kw speed of new Model X (400v) with it's tremendous curve all the way to 31% reached 140F by that time. And the new Model X and S are charging monsters. But 800v simply takes it to another level. That's the future of all EVs, but especially for trucks. No trucks going forward can afford to be 400v.

[@alanrickett2537]

No it is just a big battery as that automatically gives you the other stuff, the problem is it's a dumb business decision to to put 3 cars worth of batteries into a one truck ,but they trucks never make sense for 90 percent of the idiots that buy them.

[@Tearitupsports]

I own a Lightning and my son has already declared the cybertruck to be his favorite after watching the first race across America video. I’m preparing myself for another ego beat down.

[@FastRedPonyCar]

Range issues or not, at the end of the day, at least you're the one driving a normal looking truck.

[@pasad335]

Is you son 8 years old?

[@timberthewolf733]

Different trucks for different use cases. The F-150 is great and relatively affordable... But too small for me just like the Rivian. Cybertruck is long enough for what I need but I'm not paying that exta 20k foundation series.

[@Tearitupsports]

@@pasad335close. He is 7

[@whodat9198]

@@FastRedPonyCarwhy am I not surprised at the number of insecure males driving pickup trucks 😂

[@Someguy-rf1cu]

Silverado is the real "Beast." What a performance!!

[@mrtt9800]

For sure becauses it has massive battery

[@davedubreuil]

33:24 “Imagine if we stopped our test here and called it the Ike… glove or something like that” 😂 😂 ❤

[@-Enginerd]

2:01:15 "Kyle is already out in Pennsylvania I guess". We've got a funny German on our hands! Haha

[@newscoulomb3705]

1:13:49 Generally, Silverado EV drivers are still going to want to prioritize ChargePoint, EA, and EVgo over the Superchargers because of the voltage differences. Luckily, with the Silverado's range and flatter charging profile, people will be able to be a bit more picky about which 350+ kW public chargers they use.

[@bradallen1832]

Is there a problem with using 800 V SuperChargers?

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@bradallen1832 There wouldn't be a problem other than the fact that they don't currently exist.

[@martianwheels]

Funny watching our car go on a road trip without us!

[@OutofSpecReviews]

We tried to keep the miles down on it.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

U were th winner got th best mileage per kWh👍

[@newscoulomb3705]

1:08:58 ABB units were the ones installed with the first-gen HUBER + SUHNER cables that had the faulty thermistors. So the reduction to 100 A occurs when that thermistor doesn't have a good temperature rating. It's possible that even if it is buggy, EA might allow the full 500 A when the thermistor is functioning. Of course, EA should have replaced all those cables by now, but it's really hard to tell where they are in their upgrades.

[@Cowcow211]

Kyle driving with high beams on in the snow, driving me crazy.

[@brianh854]

That’s what it looked like to me. I was hoping he would have moved the camera to the screen to see if the highs were on. If not then damn the lights need to be adjusted. Without the highs on he would have had a clear sight of the road. Rookie mistake

[@newscoulomb3705]

People were so gung-ho to criticize the Chevy Bolt EV that they completely overlooked the fact that GM has had some of the best, most dialed-in blended and regenerative braking systems of any automaker since 2017. I know some people prefer the regen configurations from other automakers, but most of that seems to stem from personal preferences and a desire for coasting, which is unnecessary if you have proper blended breaking and cruise control.

[@wzDH106]

Agreed, the Gen 2 Volt had intuitive blended, regen, and regen on demand, it didn't matter what sequence or combination of regen techniques were used, it was all incredibly smooth the way it blended together.

[@wzDH106]

Agreed, even the slightly earlier Gen 2 Volt had intuitive blended, regen, and regen on demand. It didn't matter what combination or sequence of regen techniques were used, they all blended together into a smooth execution. Unlike some Korean brands *cough Niro cough*.

[@yetisiedzinski1007]

Coasting seems natural to people who learned and drove on auto transmissions most of their lives. Give me proper regen breaking controlled by the accelerator and possibly some "virtual gears" to control it! just like manual trans please :)

[@JT_771]

Can we please get summary information at the end of these? Preferably time-stamped? Interested in the info but am simply unwilling to watch 2.5 hours of minutia to get it.

[@SomeTechGuy666]

I agree, this is terrible videography. I even watched the summary video and I still don't have any numbers - average speed, range, charging time, etc. All I got out of this is the Silverado has a big battery. I knew that before I watched the video.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Most videos are fast for ward accessible

[@TeslaDrew]

Exactly the test we needed!

[@AWIraq]

for the love of God, please make your videos 25 - 35 minutes max , it will be more attractive

[@jysmtl]

@@AWIraqNot this one. I want every detail.

[@AWIraq]

@@jysmtl ya. i understand, but he can simply separate it into multiple videos

[@jysmtl]

Yeah, or edit this long one into a nice concise one. Or, at least, add a nice summary at the end. To his credit he did provide the basic results there at the beginning.

[@RickMcMichael]

Yeah I clicked the video to find out the results... The Results... are there any, still havent seen them except the one at the end.

[@Williamxmr]

EV trucks need huge batteries, period.

[@Bryan-Hensley]

We were talking about that on another channel. To charge that battery in 30 minutes would require the power infrastructure the same as 132 homes for just one charger. 10 chargers would require the power infrastructure to power 1,320 homes. So a state the size of Georgia would need an extra power infrastructure to power 105 million extra homes.

[@Williamxmr]

@Bryan-Hensley how many gallons of gasoline does America burn per day? That's a real consideration if EV's are ever to "take over"

[@davidmcottrell]

Love this video. It's awesome to see the real world tests. Also great to see the shout out for Emerald City Rivian Club as well 16:40!

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

👍

[@dixikloos5352]

Cybertruck and the Silverado are the coolest😎

[@Boomtendo4tw]

Silverado isn't getting the attention it deserves

[@iamnid]

probably because it isn't available to anyone but fleet purchasers at this point.

[@jysmtl]

It won’t get attention until it’s available to the public.

[@Nunya-lz9ey]

I kind of agree. From a technological perspective, it’s not impressive, anybody can pack 200kWh in a truck and get their range. From a range perspective alone, it’s great. From a towing perspective it still stinks because the lack of pull through chargers. From a price perspective, it prices out 99% of people. From a complete package, it’s an expensive and inconvenient solution to a minor issue.

[@gmv0553]

​@@iamnidorders are being placed while we speak! I know someone who ordered his a couple weeks ago. They told him to expect it by May.

[@gmv0553]

​@@Nunya-lz9eythe Silverado they are testing is $50,000 less expensive then the Cybertruck they are testing! The Cybertruck is a failure for the money!

[@stingerBTW]

Most American video I've seen all day 😤😤👌

[@alancobbin]

You are certainly smashing these truck videos guys👍💪😉

[@sorka95032]

How does this channel only have 217K subscribers? It should have millions given the value it provides.

[@shainebingham9310]

I was thinking the same.

[@mattbrew11]

Speaks to the current ev market

[@Ultimatebubs]

It's pretty niche content at this point. Most people aren't towing with EV's right now. Cool content, but if someone had done this with an ICE truck they probably would have beat the Silverado EV's time by an hour.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

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[@Iangamebr]

I guess it shouldn't be a surprise, but cool to see that the Cybertruck was the most efficient of all. It could definitely be second place in this race but things like choosing the wrong stop do happen in the real world as well.

[@bikeaddictbp]

I don't think it would have made up the difference. The charging curve is still not great, and the charge port is in the wrong spot (unhitching), and you can't use a CCS station, so fewer charging options.

[@Iangamebr]

​@@bikeaddictbpthey definitely had all 250kw charging stations that was needed that trip. Same charging speed at 250kw at the top compared to rivian with a more efficient vehicle, Cybertruck could've definitely gotten second there.

[@boostav]

@@bikeaddictbp Would have definitely made the difference, he hit two 125kW chargers and even spent time power sharing at 60kW.

[@felgen24]

Put Kyle in the Cybertruck and he would have won🎉

[@GA-wq8xq]

@@felgen24he didn’t win in the cybertruck on the coast to coast race

[@phxees]

Future videos should have text in the corner telling you which truck is which. Really difficult to keep the trucks straight especially if you skip around a little.

[@Nebula1701]

Guess they are expecting you to know the people per each truck or recognize the interiors. Wasn't hard for me but I am already relativity familiar with each truck.

[@phxees]

@@Nebula1701 I tried, but it's a two-hour video and I was multitasking. I feel like it's a little work on their part and thousands will benefit. Plus, if you share the video starting at a timestamp then there's much less need to explain.

[@londonwestman1]

Totally agree.

[@TreDeuce-qw3kv]

Epic! What an adventure. Felt like I was riding along. Most people have know idea how spectacularly beautiful most of I-70 is from Provo, Utah to Denver. I just drove a family members 'Foundation' CyberTruck' and loved it. It is a head snapper with people doing u-turns to follow it and when parked draws the curious with big smiles. Ya gotta allow time to show and answer questions. Truck was driven up from the Bay area to Sutherlin, Oregon @ a max speed of 65-mph with one 10-minute stop to charge . I-5 has a lot of Tesla Super Charger stations right off the freeway.

[@MrStian78]

Famous last words: "Let`s not make this a super long video!" 150 minutes later.... 😄

[@ChicagoBob123]

That silverado is impressive

[@fergman300]

Grand Junction....visited there 15 years ago, pulled the trigger and purchased a house there. Best move of my life. Luv that town...Hope they step it up and invest in some of those latest generation ChargePoint DC fast chargers.

[@thewaterboy2013]

Often times I will put these on in the background and not watch as much as listen. Visuals of the mountains in this though were just too gorgeous to not watch.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Spectacular indeed

[@stevehofer3482]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if these trucks got about 1.3 miles per kw/hr then that would be about 43 mpgE. Compared to gas pickups towing at 12 mpg, that's a lot more efficient. It will be interesting to see how efficient the upcoming trucks will be that use an electric motor and an ice generator.

[@UintaDave]

I’m trying to have an open mind. But seeing everyone stand around a charger while they pay ~$80 doesn’t really persuade me.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Very

[@alancobbin]

I watched this from start to finish,superb guys what a journey,thank you to everyone involved 👍💪😉

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Dig dat

[@SmokiesDen]

I never understand why on these races to vegas / across colorado the tesla drivers never stop in edwards at the 250 for a quick top up to make rifle or parachute which are both 250's and always stop at the craptastic 125 in glenwood springs.

[@AWildBard]

Keeping it Real! Great real world testing.

[@JackOLanternBob]

Would be nice if you could plug the model 3 that's being towed into the truck to expand the battery while towing

[@briankeeley6464]

Or the trailer. Imagine if the deck of that trailer was a battery that the truck could use. I keep wondering why Tesla isn't building one of these.

[@davidmenasco5743]

​@@briankeeley6464Trailers with batteries seems inevitable to me, especially if battery prices come down as expected. The thing that's missing is a standard for getting the trailer's energy into the truck. I suppose they could just have the trailer battery drive the trailer wheels and take that load off the truck. But I'm not sure what kind of challenges that would bring, maybe a lot. I think it's already being done by a couple of companies but haven't heard anything about it lately.

[@Nick-ue7iw]

@@briankeeley6464 Because if the trailer has a giant battery, it would be useless since you couldnt load anything on it. Duh.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Indeed

[@jayv5624]

I have to hand it Chevy. Only made it half way through the video and the Silverado seems to be the most useful truck when it comes to towing. I'm impressed so far.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

I hope it’s not as hard for you as it is for me …. But ya gotta give credit where credits due MAN THAT HURTS

[@nroose]

I saw one of the Silverado EV's on Tuesday evening at the Berkeley Marina.

[@kingbran923]

@OutOfSpecReviews You guys are killin it with this content, I love it!

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

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[@PeaceChanel]

Thank You Everybody for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ ☮ ❤

[@colegreene2153]

I know these can’t be cheap videos but this is exactly the cutting edge testing I look for

[@hardyk2010]

@10:32 Jordan rocking the MKBHD hoodie.. he should've been towing the Miata ;)

[@randr10]

The surge brakes on these uhaul trailers might actually hurt range on the electric trucks because the brakes come on any time the tow vehicle slows whether you want it to or not. They work great and they're super smooth for towing but you don't want friction brakes coming on when you're doing regen only. I would assume that the manufacturers designed these to not apply the electric trailer brakes during regen. There's a solenoid that bypasses the brakes when your tow vehicle reverse lights come on, so there may be a way to trick that into happening on the tow vehicle during regen, but I don't know if the engineers thought of that. I would assume they didn't.

[@constantinnescu1564]

I cant believe I looked an over 2 hours video, and be so captivated. Well, this adventure was deservind an Graphics result with times and parameters for every car and not the obvious conlusion that the Silverado îs the best. Something like , / total pits / total charging time / total kwh charged / AVG. Consumtion / AVG speed / 500 ml towing chalenge final time A lot of thanks and apreciation for this supeproduction which will remain în history for ever.

[@keithwilson1554]

Try to Remember Towing should be done at Safe Speeds and the Driver needs to take responsible Breaks to maintain concentration. If you can get 300 Miles out of a Tow in an EV before needing to charge that should be enough. Batteries will only get better. Regressing to a Diesel which emits Carcinogenic Fumes is like someone taking up smoking Again but making sure everyone nearby gets secondhand Smoke.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

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[@MLHunt]

One thing I've noticed with our Mach-Es is that Sync nav voice input takes several minutes to initialize after you power up the car. It will work immediately if you type in an address or POI though. Annoying.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Ty for ur comment

[@bestestimesreborn]

Great video, great editing. Enjoyable to watch. Thanks

[@BradleyHetherington]

One minute in to the video and I'm already thinking, OoS content is going off the charts!

[@kyle8380]

Great job Kyle you are doing bigger better things than all the other EV channels

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

True….. real world situations

[@grantlouw3182]

Wow epic test, thank you and well done!

[@wasabi521]

Looking forward to this

[@yayinternets]

Dang, you beat me.

[@pfang100]

Competition is great. Glad to see so many e trucks all doing well. It is sure that if you are not in a race. Every one of this truck is doing well.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

No useful emissions emitted NOT ONE

[@jonperkins8696]

I'm very impressed at how much better towing and range has got on trucks

[@jon1913]

Honestly, my house is fully EV (Tesla Model X and a Chevy Bolt) and I've never considered an EV truck for long distance towing but that Silverado was impressive. I currently tow my small retro camper with the Model X and it get the job done but the Silverado would put it to shame. Maybe in 6-10 years when it's time to sell the Tesla I'll pick one up.

[@schutrupsg]

Great video guys. Love the long distance races.

[@Alex-je6od]

Rivian's software is the #1 reason I got the R1T instead of the Lightning. Legacy automakers can't make good software, and they still prove it over and over.

[@danchen6783]

My Lucids software is horrible.

[@lkuhn65]

Jordan - if you are going skip a charger, you need to remove it from the route plan, and then the Nav will recalculate to find the next option. If you don't remove a charger from your route plan, the Nav cannot read your mind.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Great comment ty

[@Speedy2222]

Yes! These are the tests we need

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Quality indeed

[@LJLion]

Silverado is definitely the right equation for ev towing which CT should have been. It's a shame that you can only get as a fleet for right now.

[@bikeaddictbp]

Retail versions are about a month or two away, so it won't be long. I believe they've already started building them.

[@danchen6783]

My Chevy dealer said they started taking retail orders last week.

[@davidmenasco5743]

It's good to have an EV truck designed with longer distances in mind. I suspect, as time goes on, people will think more about whether they need all that battery or not. I guess the question is, if only 10% of truck drivers ever tow, what percent THINK they need a truck that will tow long distances? This will determine the market size for big battery trucks. Of course, part of the consideration will be resale value. Even if I don't need to tow, my truck will hold value better in the long run if it can.

[@LJLion]

@@davidmenasco5743 This is carefully weighing in the balance between abondance and scarcity. I prefer the former. Give me big battery, that way range whether towing or not becomes a non issue. 400+ miles range is definitely a good threshold.

[@shahzadiqbal1976]

Amazing video guys. And loving the sound tracks and the production quality.

[@valerianteritron4424]

This video is sooo great!!! Having the best 4 electric pickups in such a great comparison! This video should be a must for a US pickup interested people to finally choose their pickup EV !

[@islandoftiki]

Thanks!

[@paulbram2]

I'm impressed with the Rivian. Oldest truck out there. Was first to market, and still came in second.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

👍

[@andr0373]

This is great, what a fun and useful experiment. Hopefully the manufacturers watch and make improvements, many of which could be done with existing hardware. I tow quite a bit with my MYLR and it has some similar issues, but also is an excellent tow vehicle for less than a couple hundred miles.

[@beltrams]

I love how Kyle knows all the voltage and ampacity capacities and limits off the top of his head. 'A total EV guru!

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

I’m saying

[@bsaxman2012]

I've blocked out 30 minutes a day for the next 6 days to watch all of this. Can't wait!

[@kqschwarz]

Watched the whole thing. Great video.

[@NoelBarlau]

Really nicely done. Best comparison out there of the current generation of EV pickups for towing bar none. Gotta say that Silverado EV is impressive, and I'm feeling pretty happy right now that I placed a first-hour pre-order.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Congratulations enjoy

[@ryansherman4556]

great job on all the work you did to get this done

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Well edited

[@nevco8774]

If someone tows occasionally all 4 trucks will do just fine. If someone tows regularly let's say once a month then it is much better the Chevrolet Silverado vs others. If someone tows across the country once in a while it is better to wait for RAM Range extended EV truck. If someone tows daily moderate loads it is better to have right now a Ford F150 HEV or a Toyota Tundra HEV. If someone tows heavy loads daily on very long distance then a Diesel HD truck will do the job for now.

[@777Outrigger]

The subconscious assumption here is that to be a real pickup, then you have to be able to tow 1000s of pounds 100s of miles regularly. That's only about 7% of the pickup market. But if you need to tow with an EV, then the Silverado is the beast.

[@Nick-ue7iw]

Why do people assume pickup owners either constantly tow or never tow? Most of us tow 1-2 times per year, maybe 3-4 in a busy year.

[@ItsJustFelix]

The algorithm graced me with this channel yesterday, and I've binged a whole lot! I adore road trip videos from gears and gasoline, so these being a lot longer is AWESOME! :D

[@Jd-pp7fx]

Enjoy the video. I tow a boat all over Georgia and Florida. After watching the towing video that was entertaining. I will keep towing with my 2015 F150. A lot less hassle and stopping. Plus the Charging cost is close to the gas fill up.

[@glenmurra3856]

The charging cost is more he went from Denver to Grand junction and back to Denver if you doing it right you recharge the battery at Denver so it's a complete test so it would have cost somewhere around $170 to $200 for $500 and some miles what a joke if you figure a gas pickup would only get 10 mi to a gallon it's around $4.10 a gallon of gas to come out to the same cost as these electric vehicles I don't know what a pickup pulling a trailer gets for gas mileage but I think it's more than 10 mi to a gallon just goes to prove that these electric vehicles are big joke

[@bradallen1832]

If your car sits at home during the day and you have enough sunny property, that energy could be cheaper than gas. Otherwise, if you're gone during the day, no chance for that.

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Big picture here…… future generations consciousness

[@nevco8774]

Charging port location in Rivian is the best of all other trucks for all around needs.

[@Paul-cj1wb]

But still wrong. It needs to be on the right front, not the left front. Same with the Ford. And Farley has already said that's being moved to the correct side.

[@nevco8774]

@@Paul-cj1wb If the drive through system for charging stalls, like in Norway, would be implemented, then it would not even be an issue about port location at all. For now I would prefer a Rivian port location. Hopefully the future Ford charging will be the best as you wrote.

[@Paul-cj1wb]

​@@nevco8774 That's the future, yes. But for now we all have to live in what exists in reality. That'll take many, many years to get there on a country as large as America, not to mention Canada. If manufacturer's want to sell vehicle's, they have to move it to one of the correct 2 locations or fall far behind. And even fail in Rivian's case. Like it or not, there are more V3 stalls/dispensers out there than ALL other stalls/dispensers combined. In fact, more than 4 times more than all other Fast DC charging ports. So unless you want to restrict your options to only 25% of the charging options out there without having to carry around an extension that can be lost or stolen, or taking up two spots, you place it on the correct location. Which for towing is ONLY the RIGHT front.

[@crimsondecade7420]

More proof that if the CT came with the 500 mile truck as it primised it would have been killer. Range extener is a waste of time, no one wants to give up bed space . CT needs a redesign . Improve battery capacity and change the headlight position. They can completely delete the frunk if they need to and shift everything foreward to make room for more batteries. Silverado proves why a large battery is needed .

[@mattl7967]

The vast majority of people will never tow like this. Tesla would be fools to design or redesign for this purpose.

[@crimsondecade7420]

@@mattl7967 Yes... They would be fools to sell a truck that did truck things.. As long as you keep using it for shopping at costco your golden...

[@mattl7967]

@@crimsondecade7420​​⁠life is a game of trade offs. Buy the darn Silverado if you want to tow like this. You may want to do some math on daily driving costs though. Hauling all that battery around isn’t cheap.

[@corresandberg]

Grand Junction ❤ So much fond memories together with Grand Rapids. I played Railroad Tycoon many times and this two stations earned me mighty dollars 😂❤

[@KevinBarrier]

Good video guys! Thank you!

[@bob15479]

An aerodynamic load favors more aerodynamic trucks.

[@alexanderkenway]

Cybertruck was really hurting his chances going to 120 KW chargers

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Learning experience

[@alisagarza4209]

We have towed our OBI Dweller 15 RV with our Ford Lightning for the past 3 weekends and we totally sympathize with Jordan and the software craziness not being able to find chargers and totally inaccurate mileage. We have to use ABRP for more trustworthy predictions but we thank Out of Spec for all the EV knowledge that gives us the courage to own a Lightning and use it for towing. 😁

[@extralock1045]

With my car, the fastest way to travel is to drive faster. But the cheapest way is to slow down. I cruise on the interstate in the far right lane at 55 MPH, and get 60-63 MPG. I'm very happy with that.

[@External2737]

Almost a perfect video. Please show the steering wheel logos more in the videos. I would lose track of who was driving what, which ruins the narrative.

[@l10industries]

Or put the truck in the corner in editing.

[@bradallen1832]

I had to memorize their voices.

[@stikbotforzafilmsandmore]

If the cybertruck weighs less then the R1T and Silverado ev, then how is the cybertruck not epa range tested yet? Because the Silverado ev is 9,000 lbs and is epa tested.

[@evkx]

It is not illegal to EPA test a heavy truck.

[@realMysta]

Because Tesla likes to skirt requirements in their favor/save time.

[@TroySavary]

Because the EPA numbers will be lower than their fraudulent claims.

[@bikeaddictbp]

For >8500 GVWR manufacturers can opt to go through the test procedure, and may have done so in order to demonstrate what they can do. Others may have chosen not to, for whatever reason. It isn't mandatory for >8500 lb GVWR.

[@boostav]

@@TroySavary Yeah sure, the only truck that hit its stated range while doing 70mph in Kyle's side by side test.

[@naarealy]

Silverado is the truck Cybertruck should have been. Team Cybertruck also had terrible race strategy in this video, basically just winging it.

[@WestCoastChicano]

If I were in the market for a pickup truck it would be between the Chevy and the Tesla. The Chevy because of that phenomenal range and the Tesla because of it's otherworldlyness! Excellent video as usual, you guys! 🚗🇺🇲🔌⚡

[@sillystuff6247]

For these long battery test videos, it would be nice if y'all tacked on a summary conclusion wrap up section.

[@Nebula1701]

The Out of Spec PodCast just released has a shorter description of what happened and conclusions.

[@sillystuff6247]

@@Nebula1701 The "conclusions" video is a rambling 30 minutes, which didn't state any conclusions that I could understand.

[@ThreeDogsTwoCatsAndAWife]

I love this comparison test, however, I'd oddly be more interested in day to day things like parking in a grocery store parking lot, fitting child safety seats, cleaning stuff outta the bed, the cab, hauling kids gear or my tools, getting that stuff in and out, charging daily, thermal management, and cost per mile. I'm still keeping my V8 Nissan for the "real" towing trips. EV trucks aren't made for towing. Let's be honest. The charging structure is there for regular passenger vehicles. Not long range towing.

[@jysmtl]

Kyle has plenty of videos with the kind of content you are looking for. EVs are fine for towing, but not for towing distance, as you point out.

[@bradleycunningham1727]

"Imagine stopping here and calling it the Ike...glove...or something..." 😂😂😂

[@stevedowler2366]

Thanks for another OOS wild ride! If you can swing it one day, I'd love to see a comparison of trailer types and their effect on range. Real-world long distance towing will include a big camper trailer, maybe even one of those hookups on a truck bed mount. Compare that to a mid-length trailer like 22ft or so hooked up on a weight distributing hitch mount. And then try a pop-up trailer that should change the aerodynamics significantly, Cheers and safe racing ... er, driving.

[@dakota4766]

Really like this demonstration. Would of been awesome to throw a diesel in there to get perspective on how much longer it would take to tow with electric…

[@FrankTimms-cs5hl]

I imagine the diesel would have won. I tow cars occasionally with my LBZ Duramax over various terrain and average about 500 miles on a tank. My opinion on EVs is to take a “wait and see” view on buying one.

[@dakota4766]

@@FrankTimms-cs5hl I’m sure you are correct. What I wanted to see was by how much time would the diesel beat the electrics.

[@alcampbell1958]

That Silverado touch 350kw is the next EV truck I’ll buy. That big ass battery is no joke

[@GoFast58]

Do you know when it is gonna be available for sale?

[@niktak1114]

​@@GoFast58RST version is expected in the summer I think

[@GoFast58]

@@niktak1114 What about the non rst models?

[@niktak1114]

@@GoFast58 hopefully soon after. It depends on supply and demand though.

[@skorpion1298]

This is next level damn! But what I expected from you guys!