7 Jerk Antiheroes Who Were More Anti Than Hero

[@warandpoetry9542]

Idea: 7 video game characters in search of redemption who aren't cowboys

[@anarchyantz1564]

* Andy will remember this *. You have now unlocked Andy's cowboy impression photo mode.

[@Aliciously]

I hope they are related to the color red.

[@neilcognito]

Wait, will that mean I can watch an Oxbox video with the word Redemption in it and it will have nothing to do with RDR? Oh the sweet anticipation - yaay, do this, please!

[@Joearango481]

I would rather see 7 characters who are seeking redemption that are cowboys

[@LifeIsABeach3210]

Booker Dewitt

[@zeronoctis6638]

Ok, so I disagree on Heavy Rain, it does not have an anti-hero protagonist, Heavy Rain has a villain as a protagonist. The distinction is important because he isn't an anti-hero, he is a villain masquerading as one. Anti-heroes ultimately act for the greater good of all or themselves, meaning they react to the change caused by the villain in the story, Scott Shelby on the other hand, embedded himself in the story as an anti-hero reacting to the actions of a serial killer and "investigating" what he himself caused, the murder of kids.

[@CapHowdy]

The only reason he is even investigating it is so he can get rid of evidence and silence witnesses.

[@sweeety969]

If you want to call anyone in that game an anti-hero then the cop (whose name I forget) would count. The one with the addiction to drugs whose gameplay would get substantially harder if you didn’t allow him to use. Yeah he’s a bit of a jerk but he IS trying to get the job done and save kids and stuff. He’s not really looking for fame or acclaim or kudos, the only thing he has to gain is the relief of knowing he saved that child.

[@cptteacosy6158]

@@sweeety969 The FBI agent with he AR glasses? I think he was called Jayden tho i could be wrong 😂😂

[@mayhemmcfly4229]

@@cptteacosy6158 Norman Jayden. Although I always called him Jayden too.

[@Giga-lemesh]

Agreed

[@legocorvo]

Corvo's non-lethal methods are definitely candidates for the Batman loophole. :p

[@dastvan8002]

Hell he even looks like an electro/steampunk batman. Would that make Emily his Robin...

[@BesterP12]

@@dastvan8002 Helena Wayne robin/huntress I hope, and not Damian.

[@rashkavar]

Honestly I'm fairly certain that some of the things Corvo does are even worse than what Batman does to people. The branding is bad enough, but his next couple of targets, he knocks out and has them shipped off to become slaves in their own mines. (Anyone familiar with the history of mining and slavery knows just how fucked up this is.) I'm also fairly sure Batman would shy off of actually mind-wiping someone with high intensity ECT the way Corvo/Emily does Jindosh in the sequel. The stalker one takes the cake, though, especially since Lady Boyle's only crime is financially backing the others. (Which, granted, is still treason, but she's not engaged in religious indoctrination the way the high overseer is, or running slave mines like the Pendleton brothers) She's actually the one person I always kill, even in low chaos runs (aside from that one run I did for the no-kills achievement).

[@chrishubbard64]

His whole deal was ironic punishments really. Slave owners enslaved, a religious fanatic treated as a heretic, etc etc etc.

[@insaincaldo]

@@rashkavar Depends, we do have a criminal branding version of batman.

[@levifowler7933]

To me, Corvo's "non-lethal" options are less about being kinder to the person. Much more likely the opposite in fact. I see the point as twofold: How he represents the Empress His restraint from just killing the people that did him and his wife/daughter harm. Instead he takes the action that's more about eliminating them from the scene and less about satisfying his desire for revenge

[@kamo7293]

should be noted that according to the developers, the canon end of some of the targets is death. a no kill run is not canon

[@Humanresouces]

​@@kamo7293Thae fates very based on the targets canonically.

[@Kefkaesque13]

I feel a point of order should be made about the difference between an Anti-Hero (someone like Corvo or Duke) and a Villain Protagonist (someone like Trevor or Scott Shelby).

[@VeraTheTabbynx]

Agreed. Trevor does absolutely nothing heroic, he's just the pure embodiment of total insanity, and Scott Shelby is literally the game's primary antagonist trying to cover his tracks.

[@ferrisfamilygaming3876]

You guys are quick to through trevor under the bus. Hes saved Michael and Franklin, helped save lamar, kidnapped Patricia but quickly feel in love with her. He could've killed her, but let her go instead. He had all right to kill Michael, but didn't. He may not wear a Cape, going around saving random citizens, he may kill a lot of ppl, but to his friends, I'll bet theyd disagree with you. Hes the epitome of an anti hero if you were close to him.

[@TigerGoblin]

@@ferrisfamilygaming3876villain can save his friends. Not killing everyone close to you hardly qualifies you as non villain

[@ferrisfamilygaming3876]

@@TigerGoblin villians are pure evil and wouldnt save anyone. Anti heroes can go around killing whoever they want in the name of collateral damage.

[@LdNidd]

@@ferrisfamilygaming3876 Er...what? A lot of games are that black and white, yeah, but there are at least as many that aren't. Take the Illusive Man from Mass Effect. He saved Commander Shepard in ME2 and gave them the resources to go on a critical mission to find information about and ultimately delay the Reapers arrival. In ME3 he's the secondary villain, using Cerberus to try to slow Shepard down while he looks for a way to control the Reapers. The thing is, his motivation and goals didn't change all that much between the two games, as is made clear in the ME2 ending where you destroy the Collector base. He is a villain, but he's a complex character with some understandable goals and even noble intentions. Even disregarding villains with that level of nuance, though, villains who are more clear-cut evil can still save people, it's just that those people tend to be allies or underlings. Loyalty is an admirable but morally neutral trait, after all. And I would say that any anti-hero justifying bloody rampages or killing "whoever they want" instead of just the enemy they're supposed to be fighting isn't a hero in any sense. Anti-heroes may not go out of their way to avoid collateral damage like their purer kin, but they shouldn't go out of their way to cause it, either. The only time I could see that happening (where it wasn't something like the enemy's base where collateral damage would be genuinely helpful) is to show that the anti-hero is becoming something darker, like a "he who fights monsters" amoral type, or straight up villain protagonist.

[@derepa06]

How is Scott Shelbyville an antihero? He's a serial killer.... That's a villain. Straight up.

[@arndnaj]

Not all serial killers are villains. Dexter Morgan as exhibit A.

[@andrewpowell2730]

@@arndnaj Assuming Dexter is an antihero, consider this. Dexter killed people who were villains. Shelby killed kids. I'll argue that killing kids to punish their parents is a villain move.

[@arndnaj]

Scott Shelby also did some heroic deeds.

[@Pickoffarwim]

Nathan Arndt No serial killers ARE villains! Stop being edgy

[@simen30]

but he made a great point like jigsaw in saw

[@beholdnonsense5100]

"If the god of war was a chill dude, he'd be more like the god of hey-why-don't-we-talk-this-out" Did you mean: Athena

[@beholdnonsense5100]

@@KaoKacique That's fair, but tbh you'd be hard pressed to find any Olympian who wasn't a jerk from time to time. Except Hestia, she never hurt anyone.

[@MsWatismyname]

@@beholdnonsense5100 And that is why Hestia is a pretty unknown Goddess, compared to anyone else really.

[@cheyenneoliver5184]

@@KaoKacique You mean Arachne. Theseus was the one who screwed over Ariadne. Though in all fairness, it's not like bragging you're better than someone and then weaving a tapestry depicting Zeus as a horny fool, banging his way across the Mediterranean (which, while not exactly untrue, is maybe not something you would show to his daughter) are exactly good qualities of an upstanding character. Also, there's actually a lot of versions of the myth where Athena's weaving was so beautiful it shamed Arachne so greatly that she hung herself and Athena, taking pity on her, turned her into a spider so she and her ancestors could continue her weaving. Though in most versions it was punishment for her hubris.

[@saiyanfang1047]

did you mean Tyr

[@tjfrye11]

Did u even see the end of God of war 3 where she's like "we could've ruled the humans ourselves" that's not chill or talking it out

[@farwunderwmn]

I always thought Corvo's non-lethals weren't necessarily jerk-ish. Those people were vying for money and power at the expense of the city, and sure their ends sucked for them but the general population could chalk what happened to them up to random chance instead of falling to chaos out of fear of a strange extremely lethal guy going through the city killing everyone he lays eyes on. But honestly that may be me rationalizing the actions of one of my fav characters :D

[@tba113]

Trevor is not an anti-hero at all. He's just a murderous psycho - even by Rockstar game standards, where you're usually on the right track if you just assume everyone you meet is a violent maniac. ...You know, I think I now have a headcanon about why the police are so quick to punish any infraction in that game...

[@michaelday3187]

Trevor is the best character Rockstar ever created ever.

[@dosbilliam]

...Mostly because he's how most of the players of GTA play, just without any holds barred.

[@gamerguy6990]

Michael Day wrong

[@AlmightyPolarBear]

The only time Trevor and hero are in the same sentence is when "isn't a" is in between them.

[@harmonlanager2670]

Michael Day Arthur Morgan surpasses him.

[@CalebratedTV]

I love the idea of Duke nukem, when he was signing his name for that kid, squinting his eyes with his tongue slightly out his mouth, really concentrating hard, then hands the book back to the kid and is so proud that he spelled his name with a k facing the right way. Lol

[@nyshodmayo8406]

Lara Croft is bit of an anti-hero......she destroys ancient buildings while trying to steal the priceless artifacts inside them....murders innocent animals for weapon parts and kills anyone in her path....and she sometimes rescues the friends she hasn't gotten killed

[@anarchyantz1564]

Additionally she Skins her enemies to make use of their body parts. Not sure if in the new one it is just restricted to non humans........yet.

[@notserious6458]

You can't murder animals

[@Will-yy7cg]

At what point does she cross the line between anti-hero and villain?

[@krise99391]

@@notserious6458 is this an incredibly bad koke, or are you actually serious?

[@IamaPERSON]

@@krise99391 considering the username, I'd go with option one

[@miss-petrolea]

*whispers* If the "anti"-ness of your protagonist is dependent on your playstyle, I don't think it's them, especially xD

[@steevenramos1746]

If we’re being honest any Rockstar protagonist in the right hands could be on this list

[@shadow3675]

Steeven Ramos that's very true

[@kyleschomburg2527]

I mean.... Some of the characters in Red Dead Revolver weren't ALL bad.

[@OhNoTheFace]

They are not heroes, at all

[@abhimaanmayadam5713]

CJ from GTA SA. Killing hundreds of people, literally hundreds. He did clean up the crack dealers so, maybe he's good. Still a jerk. Favorite by far is NIko Bellic. Not an anti hero.

[@IamaPERSON]

@@abhimaanmayadam5713 if anything, Niko's a guy that's trying to live in the city, but keeps getting himself in bad situations.

[@monsterhunter66]

17:37 to be fair that"innocent victim" in the hydra's throat was a slave trader so...he kind of had it coming.

[@monsterhunter66]

@@jackguy6326 it’s mentioned game’s novelization.

[@NisansaDdS]

Canonically, few years after you deliver Lady Boyle to Lord Brisby, Brisby disappears and she takes over his estate. A rumour speculating that she had arranged his disappearance spreads but no one could find any evidence. (Dishonored: The Corroded Man P118-119)

[@thegreatpineapple4425]

Great to hear. Finally I can replace my guilt of assisting an abduction with the guilt of assisting a potential murder.

[@NisansaDdS]

@@thegreatpineapple4425 That is Dishonored for you. LoL.

[@mattkennedy9308]

She was always supposed to manipulate him and turn him to her will. It just seemed worse in the game because we've applied real world logic not Dunwall logic.

[@bogwitchbrigade]

@@thegreatpineapple4425 Well the man was the kind of person who would kidnap a lady and keep her captive, so not really the kind of being you want to exist in the world anyway

[@thegreatpineapple4425]

@@bogwitchbrigade are you secretly a vigilante of some sort?!

[@danieb52]

Ben McCall was the great grandson of the original Call of Juarez protagonist, Billy Candle (who later took the name McCall) not Ray McCall (who was attempting to kill Billy for most of the game because he thought that he murdered Ray's brother). Also the "likable" McCall brother, Thomas, eventually became a wife- and childbeater.

[@jizzyg1559]

Typical wild west family.

[@kitmakin289]

I thought the likable brother was William...

[@NickReffin]

I don't really think Trevor or the bloke from Heavy Rain count as anti-heroes, they're pretty much straight up villains really.

[@insaincaldo]

I don't know about Trevor, he is more like a rabid dog

[@Mailed-Knight]

I agree with you he's a villain, crazy or not he is smart enough to understand what he's doing to people and especially what he does to Wade. Wade is his slave, his girlfriend is his slave.

[@erickpoorbaugh6728]

Yeah, there's a difference between "Anti-Hero" and "Villain Protagonist." Anti-heroes may not be paragons of honor or virtue, but they're still ultimately on the right side or display at least some heroic traits. Characters who are completely villainous aren't "heros" (anti- or otherwise) just because they're protagonists: while the term "hero" is often used to mean "protagonist" (since in most works the protagonists are also the main heroes), the terms are by no means synonymous, as evidenced by those works that do have unqualifiedly evil protagonists.

[@DivinityFallen]

Scott is kind of an anti hero, cause you play as him and he often makes choices that aren't ba when it doesn't relate to his serial killing. Depending on how you play it. The fact that he helps Lauren, even though he knows it may result in him being revealed as the origami killer its testimony to that. There's never an option to kill lauren before the car scene, and he easily could. He knows he didn't kill her son, and willingly hunts for the person who did, but ultimately he could pretend to not care and just ignore it. Maybe it's pride, but he wasn't all bad. The fact is he was fucked up, but his story was also sad. Not okay to then kill children but he was trying to find parents who did care.

[@Leonhearth0]

You're right, they're both bad guys in their own way. Thanks to Trevor and the Origami killer, it's easier to understand the difference between a psychopath and a sociopath.

[@dominateeye]

Fun fact: Ray's voice actor in Call of Juarez is Marc Alaimo, who also acted in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. This means that in that game, you play as Gul Dukat in a cowboy hat with a bible.

[@normative]

Err, I'd tend to say Scott Shelby is just the straight up villain. I think of an antihero as someone who you still sort of root for at some emotional level, despite their flaws, and maybe even if you recognize their actions are ultimately wrong. Is anyone *rooting* for Shelby after the reveal, on any level?

[@mandickthetittysmithy5117]

Scott is more of an anti villain.

[@DivinityFallen]

I wasn't rooting for him, but I certainly felt compassion for him.

[@DouglasDundee]

Someone's always rooting for the depraved

[@blastinus3714]

I think for Trevor and Shelby, you might be confusing anti-hero with villain protagonist here. An anti-hero is someone who fights against evil while lacking in the typical heroic qualities of nobility, self-sacrifice, etc. A protagonist, meanwhile, is just the viewpoint character for a story whose actions and motivations we follow. The hero is often the protagonist, but the protagonist doesn't have to be a hero.

[@Giga-lemesh]

Yeah

[@stevenn1940]

I mean, You're not wrong in that corvo's non-lethal eliminations are cruel, but at the same time, they are "just deserts." Looking back on them, with a few exceptions, most are simply receiving what they did to others. Slave owner literally becomes his own slave, the head of a religious organization that hunts and persecutes is now marked as someone to be persecuted by that organization. A paranoid tyrant is deposed and replaced by the body double he put in place. A spy unintentionally reveals what he's done to harm not just a nation, but the previous ruler, and is at the mercy of the ones he sought to rule over.

[@Przemko27Z]

Didn't the assassins use Outsider powers, too? That kinda makes the whole conspiracy heretical.

[@NivMizzet89]

'Desserts', not deserts.

[@premiumheadpats4150]

I was just saying pretty much the same thing.

[@fabi3790]

I still wouldn't say Corvo is a 100% good guy Well depending how you play. I don't think he could have a Pacifist run differently

[@bartudundar3193]

@@fabi3790 uh huh. And how is he meant to deal with the crisis in front of him? He is not allowed to kill them cuz "killing bad" and he is not allowed to use non-lethal and mostly public ways to dispose of them. What is he meant to do ? Talk his way out of the rat plague and the massive corruption within Dunwall ? Some of you people on the internet remind me of Gandhi and how he took his "moral superiority" so ridiculously far, to the point of being downright stupid.

[@HesmiyuMC]

People tend to not play as Trevor? that means i've been doing it wrong all these years then?

[@kosaba11]

I definitely have more hours playing Trevor than I do either Franklin or Michael.

[@lordbanetheplayer8844]

No, no, what they said it that they avoid it. Cowards.

[@loveaffect]

Hesmiyu ive always hated playing as trevor because of Him being such an asshole who doesn’t care about shit and has mommy problems . I always kill him at the end of the game

[@brianb8060]

Trevor didn't kill Debra or Floyd. I was a syrup incident.

[@CapHowdy]

Most people I know will spend most of their time as Trevor in GTA. Hell, with the Call of Juarez bound in blood, I preferred playing as Ray as well. People, despite what they claim, when given the choice between a more clean cut character to play and a violent psychopath, will choose the psycho because it is more interesting and lets you do stuff you would not even dream about in real life.

[@Fantafaust]

Scott shelby is more of a twist villain than an anti-hero lol

[@Feja2503]

Yeah wth... He isnt an anti hero by any means. He is a complete villain, he was just a main character hiding his villain role.

[@ssblue8832]

Ethan is more of an anti-hero, though I'm not sure he qualifies either. He does at least put a lot of people in danger like by driving the wrong way on the highway in order to save his kid. YMMV on whether that makes him anti.

[@amyschildgamerlive4519]

Exactly

[@minnieshoof]

What about Magus, from Chrono Trigger? He’s so anti-hero he’s strictly optional as a party member and will just as likely fight you as join you.

[@polkarrty]

Kratos is the epitome of a hero just to himself, considering everyone he encounters dies,usually to get that good experience/ health orbs

[@JeedyJay]

The classic D&D "murder hobo" character.

[@insaincaldo]

@@JeedyJay Kratos is only homeless in the transition periods between loosing home and family.. by his own hand..

[@Feja2503]

@@insaincaldo Hey at least last time he didnt! third time is the charm right?

[@quincyking010]

In god of war 2 and the new one he wasn't as bad as he was in 1 or 3. And in the new one he actively trys to not fight and only kills people because they try to kill him

[@insaincaldo]

@@Feja2503 We don't really know how his last wife died

[@austinparks7428]

I feel like Jackie Estacado from The Darkness/The Darkness 2 would fit the description of anti-hero pretty well. Dude and his murder snakes end up being a Mob boss, but still ends up going around and killing other criminals and dismantling a corrupt police force.

[@thewelshdm]

I feel Celebrimbor from Shadow of Mordor/War should be on this list. The guy flat out brainwashes intelligent creatures and forces a murdered man to fight for him. Not to mention what he does at the end of Shadow of War!

[@samtownend6744]

Plus he was tricked into making the one ring like a complete chump

[@jokairou489]

I'd say that by the moment he tried to dominate and enslave Isildur after finally breaking him free of Sauron's power, Celebrimbor proved himself to be the extreme opposite to Sauron. If not for Talion's last ditch efforts to completely free Isildur and restrain the other Nazghuuls' advance beyond Mordor, Celebrimbor would've had the human vessel required to defy the limited potential set on all immortal races by the gods, then "cleanse" and dominate all of Middle Earth with methods equal to or worse than Sauron's, and the lands outside Mordor would have no time or opportunity to prepare their defenses and form the Fellowship that would destroy The One Ring, forever casting Sauron from the mortal realm. That was a ridiculously run-on sentence, but I'm too tired to fix it.

[@azzlackguhnter5635]

Makes him kinda Villanous to me

[@patrickd8654]

13:45 Mike: This list wouldn't be complete without Duke Nukem, the titular hero of "Duke Nukem Forever." Me: That's not "titular." It's "eponymous." Mike: And if you laughed at the word "titular," you're exactly this game's target audience. Me: Well played.

[@mnArqal93]

What about Edward Kenway? While he has his redeemable qualities, he spends most of the time committing piracy and just about attempting to screw over every Templar and Assassin he meets.

[@acecashman1237]

mhJazz93 yeah but by the time he gets killed, he's completely joined the Assassin Brotherhood in a committed role

[@Geek-LDS]

Ace of Games He’s the reason I didn’t finish that game! Also the tailing/eavesdropping missions. Totally hated all of those!

[@haydeng3316]

He has a redemption arc though and is definitely more good than bad by the end

[@mnArqal93]

Yeah not the best example. I know he eventually joined the Assassins in the end, but for the majority of Black Flag he's basically an anti-hero. Though, you could argue every single Assassin in the franchise is really an anti-hero. Altaïr also fits the description.

[@Geek-LDS]

Hayden G3 Yes, but he’s also such a jerk! I compare his story arc to Jacob Frye, who was a bit of a jerk, but not as bad. By the end of Syndicate he had become quite a likable character. I can’t say the same for Kenway.

[@zaonth1414]

pretty sure scott shelby is just a full blown villain edit: forgot i made this comment but i still agree. he was literally the antagonist

[@johnmarston4315]

Definitely agree

[@quinnmarchese6313]

that drawn out sequence of Duke 'signing' his name was comedy gold

[@nottoflex653]

Comedy silver

[@BelialHasToes]

Not to Flex sdseee we eseees see see

[@adamdevlin649]

@Recruit watch the video

[@adamdevlin649]

@Recruit then rewatch it

[@qkk1697]

@Recruit 14:19

[@gregw01]

I thought CJ from San Andreas is going to be in the video... he kills, robbs, Rigged a plane with satchel charges, stole a jet from an aircraft carrier to help Sweet get out of prison and to save Los Santos

[@shadowcat1606]

What exactly qualifies Scott Shelby as an anti hero ? I mean ... child murder isn't exactly heroic, not even anti-hero-heroic.

[@shadowcat1606]

@Sheldon Ford yeah, the script of this vid isn't written as a beginner to Heavy Rain, it's from a perspecitve in hindsight. And in hindsight, Shelby is nothing but a villain.

[@Veladus]

Nothing. This is just a terrible video by people who don't know what an anti-hero is.

[@bruhmoment3378]

Scott's not even an antihero he's just the villain hiding in plain sight

[@darthderivativ3278]

Catwoman from Batman: Arkaham Knight makes for a good antihero. Actually, Catwoman from pretty much anything makes for a good antihero, but Arkham Knight especially.

[@robstuart8474]

Catwoman (2004) doesn't make for a good anything, except perhaps kindling.

[@darthderivativ3278]

@@robstuart8474 That movie doesn't exist. I don't know of any Catwoman movie with Halle Berry.

[@robstuart8474]

@@darthderivativ3278 Thanks, I'll add that to the list of horrible, non-existent nightmares, between Metal Gear Survive and an Oxventurers D&D boss battle in which something - anything - goes according to Johnny's plan.

[@Akkihana]

can we add fallout 76 to that list?

[@noble_hermit2133]

@@Akkihana Yes, yes we can

[@dead_fox]

What about Aiden Pearce from WatchDogs? [SPOILERS] He was in a way responsible for the death of his niece (for doing ilegal work for some mercs) he lies to T-Bone, treats almost everyone like crap, gets his sister kidnapped, because of him his sister and Jack had to flee Chicago, he manipulates and gets Bedbug killed. He still has good intentions and all but Walker from Spec Ops the line also had and look where that ended hmmmmmm Plus you can take the homicidal route in the game

[@PleasureGELF]

He is a vigilante. The game tells you not to kill people.

[@sweeety969]

I think he definitely counts. For a ‘redemption’ story his whole thing falls flat. How can you redeem yourself by doing the same thing that got your niece killed? It’s not a redemption thing at all but rather a revenge story. The guy is obtuse, careless, self centered, self righteous and selfish. He claims to care about his family and to be doing what he does for them but really it’s to justify his own stupidity in messing with the wrong people in the first place. I couldn’t stand the guy.

[@aloserwithoutamiddlename.]

Alex Mercer from prototype 1 !! He eats...sorry "consumes" people. But he saved new York that one time so yeah

[@smithwesson1896]

Then he became the villain of the second game

[@Formoka]

Adrian Banda Lol if you play him like I do, he only consumes people that were shooting at him first..... I don't know what shade of moral Gray that one is.... but yeah. Alex should be on this list.

[@esledge5271]

HE caused the outbreak.THAT HE SAVED

[@Luke-nz5xo]

@@smithwesson1896 There's a comic that tells you Alex Mercer from Prototype 1 dies or something like that and Alex Mercer from Prototype 2 is some kind of clone.

[@jokairou489]

Considering the fact that he's just the virus taking on the original Alex Mercer's physical form, personality and mind, you can't exactly blame him for his carnivorous/viral behavior, let alone hold him to human standards. Also, let's be honest, he's me unstable than a schizophrenic LSD addict.

[@JamesOKeefe-US]

Just rewatching this and Mike is soooo funny. The crazy eyes and comic delivery is brilliant! Mike if you read this, thank you for everything you do on the channel! I crack up everytime you get your section. Don't get me wrong, the whole team is awesome but I know you get crap quite a lot but we think you are awesome :) of course you too Jane and Andy!!!

[@alexnowak1392]

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[@WinchesterxNL]

Now I know what to make for dinner. Thank you!

[@Geek-LDS]

Dude, seriously? Vanilla? That’s only for those with a sweet tooth! Some of us prefer our pancakes buttery and salty, thank you very much!😜

[@Sophie_the_Sapphic]

Probably the best and most original comment I've seen in a while.

[@bluezebra6701]

This is a very rarely used copypasta. Last time I saw it was when I used it a year ago. Nice to see it again.

[@Geek-LDS]

Zac Foelster But...why the vanilla?! Why?!

[@sonnyswanson919]

You forgot about the punisher from xbox/ps2 era. When you got the information out of the people who you interrogated you could kill them in different ways, or how you could shove a grenade/flamethrower down someones throat. Good times.

[@kellenwoods4633]

What about Alex Mercer or James Heller from Prototype, or Renegade Shepherd from Mass Effect

[@KorilD]

Alex was barely a hero; more a villain protagonist. I mean, he literally EATS PEOPLE.

[@kellenwoods4633]

KorilD one of the reasons they both work for a video with that title

[@Cyfrik]

I'd argue that Paragon Shepard is a bigger jerk than Renegade Shepard. I mean, yes, Renegade Shepard is obviously a jerk. There's no way to deny that. But Ren!Shep is at least honest and up-front about being a horrible person. Paragon Shepard, on the other hand, is a massive hypocrite who puts on a facade of niceness, much more insidious. Think about it. How many missions (especially the second game's loyalty missions) go like this?: Shepard and company indiscriminately kill a whole bunch of soldiers or mercenaries, that are acting on orders from others, without giving them any chance of surrender. When they reach the person who gave the orders, the one responsible for everything, a teammate wants to kill the one responsible, but suddenly Paragon Shepard intervenes and gives a speech about how all life is precious and everyone deserves a second chance. ... Yeah, where was that second chance for the twenty-or-so people you mowed down on the way there? Renegade shepard at least makes it clear from the start that he/she doesn't care about anyone.

[@kellenwoods4633]

Cyfrik you know you might be on to something

[@KorilD]

Kellen Woods There's a difference between being an anti-hero and being a villain protagonist, though. An anti-hero does bad things for good reasons, while a villain protagonist does bad things while being the point-of-view character. If you wrote a book from Voldemort's perspective, that wouldn't make him an anti-hero - he's still the villain, we're just seeing him do awful things from his perspective instead of the hero's. Alex and Heller may have started out as anti-heroes, but you can only kill people for selfish reasons for so long before you become the bad guy.

[@AeternaNox01]

Saints Row boss. From basically every part.

[@oozysprings894]

I mean, at least he cares about his friends

[@splattt8088]

he kills hundreds of people every week. most are innocent, he's a likable villain

[@AlexWithington]

In cannon the saints 1 and 2 boss is insane

[@gentlemanpleasant7335]

@@AlexWithington *Puckish Rogue*

[@FnRenner]

Anti-hero...devasting release of energy...science stuff...kills animals to see if they die...So Jane is the hero we need and not the one we deserve?

[@misterthegeoff9767]

No, Jane is the other way around. She's a supervillain we have a soft spot for, not a hero we hate.

[@andreasamardzija1496]

Cutting back to Trevor randomly was always a gift. This one time he was just on a scooter on the freeway screaming "SCOOTER BROTHERS! SCOOOOTER!" at another dude, another he was in a dress in the middle of nowhere after I left him in Los Santos. Flushing a foot? Come on that's comedic gold

[@kate1361]

Gotta be honest guys I feel like Scott Shelby qualifies as a straight up villain.

[@Peter_S.Woldrich]

I think that Ray McCall, and McCall Brothers in that matter, were very well written as characters and I enjoyed them a lot.

[@thegreatpineapple4425]

Agent 47 surely fits the bill. With all his death quips I feel like "amoral killing machine" is more of a facade. (Specially with all the Ansel pics I've been taking recently :P )

[@theogoltzman5372]

Agreed. He's got no hesitation about killing his targets, but canonically he kills pretty much nobody else (except if he used accident kills, which I can't say for sure). He even goes out of his way to limit collateral (and save the world once. See the Patient zero DLC for Hitman 2016).

[@devilhowl7455]

Sly Cooper is an anti-hero. Just in a more cartoon/comic book kind of way.

[@osmarcarlos1159]

He's like an family friendly anti hero

[@CosmicVibin]

He's less antihero and more Nathan Drake.

[@floppydisksareop]

@@CosmicVibin I mean, if you look at Nathan's body count, the fact that he is literally a thief and adventurer, etc., you will find that he is very much an antihero as well

[@CosmicVibin]

@@floppydisksareop Good Point I just think Sly is less of an anti hero but I can see how others call him a family friendly anti hero too

[@floppydisksareop]

@@CosmicVibin I'm not saying you are wrong, because I actually don't know Sly Cooper. I'm just mentioning that Nathan Drake on the other hand absolutely is an antihero

[@rangerecho]

Every single Vault Hunter in Borderlands

[@kcollier2192]

Except Krieg- he's just full on nuts...

[@BesterP12]

Hey! Gaige was screwed over in that science fair. The... Aftermath was totally not her fault

[@SponsoredbyCOV]

What has Salvador done except for manslaughter, theft, arson, destruction of property, trespassing, cannibalism, public indecency, and profanity

[@someguy1ification]

I should point out that Roland and Mordecai are, at least in Borderlands 2, the coolest dudes in the universe, while Lilith and Brick are lovable maniacs. The playable characters front the second game, though. They be crazy.

[@donkeymanusa6364]

Zer0 is a political assassin who speaks in Japanese poetry. Pretty cool in my book.

[@comettamer]

Nice to see Call of Juarez getting some love. The first two were awesome. The third was slightly entertaining, with the fourth rescuing the series slightly.

[@duncanallaire2392]

But I WANT antimatter heroes

[@KelltheTitan]

The show Secret Saturdays had antimatter heroes.

[@turma8eac]

Funny valentine showed why that doesn’t work

[@bingobingo7755]

When u spare lady Boyle and give her to lord Brisby- Theres a the book “dishonored the corroded man” where u find out lady Boyle had him killed and she absorbed all of his wealth

[@happybob1441]

Accidentally dynamited a nun? Was it really an accident Mike?

[@robertagu5533]

An in the end remember he's the one that gets to outlast EVERYONE else. An watch them ALL friend and foe alike pretty much have to either go away forever or literally die. Winding up being the franchises LITERAL cheese that stands alone

[@vladdracul5072]

Never mind the nun, but running a horse off a cliff - that's horrendous and nefarious!

[@alexbenavidez4500]

I won't lie. I laughed ridiculously hard at Duke's apparently illiteracy at 14:50. Holy shit that was brilliant.

[@paulwade5853]

Don't you think it's about time we give Andy what he wants, and sent him to the farm to live out his cowboy dreams. It's okay, my childhood dog will be there to keep him company, my folks sent him there 15 years back, I'm sure he's having a wonderful time, playing in the fields, chasing cows......

[@lionocyborg6030]

Caleb from Blood is also quite an apt anti-hero. He's a vampire gunslinger who looks like Alucard only dressed in black instead of red and a high ranking member of an evil cult worshipping an elder God. Probably has special shielding that protects him from sunlight, making him extra dangerous, has no qualms about shooting innocent people or poking them with his pitchfork, and eats his victim's hearts for health as they contain all the blood he needs. But he gets fired from the cult at the start of the game and his girlfriend gets killed by a gargoyle on orders from his ex master so that's alright then.

[@Kewryn]

Also Kain from "Legacy of Kain" series, for a fact that he was Kratos before we had Kratos :D According to cannon, Kain literally sacrificed an entire world because he was too selfish at the end of the first game and subjected his trusted lieutenant to ages of suffering out of jealousy... and yet he did "save Nosgoth" on at least two occasions :D

[@rogen8094]

Me: "Wow, that Duke Nukem guy is such a jerk!" Steam: "Buy Duke Nukem Forever collection, 80% off!!" Me: "Heh, well I mean.... It does look kinda amusing...." Steam: "Thank you for your purchase!" Me: *sigh* "Well played, Steam. Well played."

[@MrDextroll]

Man, I still hate the fact that we wont get a sequel to LA NOIRE!

[@samtownend6744]

They should do one set during another traumatic period of American history, maybe the 1920s or 1970s. The 20s one could be even more about gangsters and the 70s one could deal with serial killers and Vietnam vets

[@callmehanson9466]

I think that a spiritual successor would be better. Jack Kelso and Cole Phelp's stories wrapped up well and it'd be interesting to see a different time period or even a different location like New York or Chicago during a different era.

[@jolosarmiento7382]

It’s a real shame. Most people just don’t like smart games with a slow pace

[@Matthew-pd4zx]

Yeah I liked LA Noire a lot. It would still work with all new characters and time period, just that detective gameplay and story, and Noire feel was a lot of fun to play through.

[@thegameknight8916]

You never know, it might happen.

[@bionicangel1098]

Some how, of all the things to do on the autograph, actually signing his name is by far the funnies you can do.

[@Geek-LDS]

I would have added Edward Kenway to that list. He has more of a consistent, slow building jerkiness, a bunch of little things like being a pirate, mugging a guy begging for help, then killing him when he resisted, or encouraging an incredibly unqualified innocent guy to be a pirate, or to mindlessly risk the lives of those pirates under him looting and pillaging, or pursue a legendary alien artifact, or just to kill somebody...I could keep going, but, I’m not making this video!

[@kayleyanna3164]

Yeah when I played black flag, I just kept thinking "Can I play as Kid instead. You know the actual assassin, who isn't a jerk."

[@rioluxgaming2396]

I feel like Alex Mercer (From Prototype 1 at least) would've fit pretty well on this list. That's not even considering what the PLAYER does on commute between missions...

[@thatmcarnguy4098]

Deadpool from Deadpool the game, he kinda is The Anti-hero. Love you guys regardless.

[@IamaPERSON]

Definitely

[@spacebear4742]

not as big a jerk as those on the list

[@IamaPERSON]

@@spacebear4742 that's debatable

[@thatmcarnguy4098]

Space bear I agree, he can be a jerk at times. But most of the times it’s light hearted( to a degree) and for comedic relief.

[@sgg3586]

Honestly, Kratos is one of the most irredeemable protagonists in any game series. His failing and being killed/locked away for eternity in an empty abyss would have actually been the best outcome for literally EVERYBODY.

[@azmunt6855]

Well. He do be brutal, he do be horrible. But so are the gods in his world. If the gods weren't such an arses, then Kratos wouldn't do a lot of stuff he did (Though he'd still be a spartan warrior killing people). Most of the things he did were caused by gods messing with him. His brother? Kidnapped and killed. His mother? Turned into monster by Zeus. His Wife and daughter? Killed by his own hands due to Ares trickery. Later he got his home and capital destroyed by Zeus, because "his Papa was too scared that his son will turn on him due to prophecy". Kratos was basicly angry man, done with everything, messed with over and over, where he just stops to care and starts doing the worst things. He is not a good person, but he tries to make things somewhat right in later games.

[@Protoa-Ash-and-Arc]

Have you played the two newest god of war games

[@Stabra_Cadabra]

Andy's next video suggestion: the top 1 Marstons who are named John.

[@Madhattersinjeans]

Kain from the Soul reaver series would fit the bill as an antihero. And hero, and villain. Complicated story that.

[@greypoupon2052]

Scott Shelby is a straight up villain, fam. He's literally the main antagonist of the game

[@DalyActual]

Call of Juarez bound in blood is one of my favorite western games of all time and Ray is actually a good character lol the banter between the brothers is great and killing his younger brother wasn’t “for no reason” lmao

[@alhena11]

"Accidentaly dynamited a nun." I definitely wouldn't even imagine hearing this words together.

[@astrisperspecto4130]

Well, I can and also the situation. Heck, Luke and Ellen were again on that case and I can hear him say: "don't Worry, she's fine over there, over there and over there"

[@loveheartdiamonds8570]

1:44 I don't think I've ever related to something this much

[@Kewryn]

No mention of Renegade Shepard from the original "Mass Effect" trilogy? I mean that is the guy to whom solving problems commonly boiled down to "shoot someone" or "beat the cr*p out of someone"... given enough time, he could probably wipe out the galaxy in Reapers' stead :D But than who needs compassion or patience when you have guns and/or sport biotic powers?

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

LOL Renegade Sentinel Shepard was a BEAST! :P

[@Kewryn]

@@Zack Ceasar: well, at least he's consistent :D

[@suhrfranbacon]

Joel from last of us always comes to mind. Taking a girl across the us in the hopes of curing what is essentially a zombie plague, bonds with her as you’d expect a human would, and decides her life is worth more than saving humanity

[@SebasTian58323]

To be fair, the fireflies were not very good at the whole curing thing to begin with

[@CapHowdy]

Shelby is not an anti-hero, he is the villain.

[@The_CrownlessKing]

Travis Touchdown from No More Heroes. Seriously! Dude won't stop swearing, kills people with a smile on his face, suplexes them for giggles, and he's doing literally days worth of killing just because a girl said she'd sleep with him.

[@notorious.scoundrel]

Some antiheroes really embody the "Good is not nice" character archtype.

[@HellYeahCorp]

What about Agent G from House of the Dead: Overkill? I mean, he doesn't *do* terrible things, but his personality certainly doesn't hold up and makes me wonder how he even got hired. Same goes for *MISTER FRANCIS YORK MORGAN* from Deadly Premonition.

[@TimedRevolver]

Well, York's got issues, so at least he has a reason.

[@alecflood8261]

Can confirm, I laughed at "titular". I'm sorry.

[@captainsoup868]

Dammit Jane, I totally would have watched "Two Great Cowboys Who are the Worlds Best Cowboys".

[@DivinityFallen]

Riku from Kingdom hearts: constantly tries to belittle his best friend to attract a girl, willingly goes to the dark side for no reason, assumes his best friend has betrayed him by being special, and then works for the dark side for ages. Takes your keyblade and keeps trying to kill you. Has a sulk for a year disguised as someone else.

[@Drakon_Minaka]

He tried to kill Sora *once* and was being manipulated by Maleficent the whole way up until he finally gave himself over to the darkness. Even then,he beat it and eventually managed to use the darkness for good instead of evil. KH1 you have a point,but CoM and onwards,not really.

[@DivinityFallen]

@@jackfrost9512 I was typing on my phone and my phone loves to autocorrect everything :')

[@DivinityFallen]

@@Drakon_Minaka I mean, nah, he willingly went to the darkside on destiny island, so I think he had it in him to begin with. While I agree he kind sorts himself out, even in KH2 he's kinda not a hero but more of an antihero until the end. Personality wise as well, Riku's pretty much an asshole to Sora for ages. Yes, he's being manipulated, but he has that anger towards Sora already, and covets Kair's affection.

[@DaybreakJones]

PI stands for pissed individual now? Guess that explains a lot about Jessica Jones as well!

[@angelbarrera3890]

How about 47? Granted most targets have it coming there are tons of innocent bystanders who get killed(by being in the way of chandeliers, explosions, or otherwise), knocked out with a variety of weapons, thrown in freezers, mulchers the list goes on.

[@reyniknamyrion3557]

Yeah, but canonically 47 only kills his targets - the 'Silent Assassin' and all that.

[@altdorfkalle6227]

Angel Barrera, Ah, so I see you play the game in the Mike-Style

[@Geek-LDS]

I was playing the Three Headed Serpent level and totally accidentally killed a guy because he fell into water after the wrench hit him in the head and drowned in the 6 seconds it took me to get to him! He probably shouldn’t have been working in a drug field...

[@altdorfkalle6227]

VG Philosophy, Actually don’t think any of that would hold up in court as why that totally wasn’t murder. Lol

[@Geek-LDS]

Altdorf Kalle Drat.

[@svengonsalves8538]

“The two best cowboys are Arthur Morgan and John martson” *sad red Harlow noises”

[@BogeyTheBear]

If the "Uncle is Red Harlow" theory holds, then the assertion remains true.

[@Platonis-The-Warlock]

Yay, I see Jane FINALLY get the script from Andy. Next step to recovery - is 24 hours marathon of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate or Mario Party. And remember - NO more Red Dead Redemption 2.

[@siralonnevincenthan841]

No RDR2, well aint gonna happen it will continue until RDR3 come out in the next6-7 later😁

[@zatoichikenku8291]

Garrett from Thief 1 & 2 - you spend the games trying to avoid doing anything remotely heroic because EFFORT = DIMINISHING RETURNS. No one complains more about the plot still finding him than Garrett. Stephen Russell

[@ducksruleflorida4882]

8:12 Yeah... I may have accidentally slammed Boyle's head against a pipe when dropping her...

[@Wandergirl108]

The only characters I've played as that could be called "antiheroes" are Mint from Threads of Fate (whose stated goal is to take over the world), and mostly Velvet from Tales of Berseria, who is actually the "bad guy" (the Lord of Calamity), except that the "good guy" (the Shepherd) wants to suppress all human emotions and drive humanity into oblivion…but Velvet definitely acts like a villain, so…

[@Darcnhife]

Uuuuuh. I probably could have gone with a spoiler warning.

[@Wandergirl108]

@@Darcnhife …What? How is any of that a spoiler? Plus, this is a KZbin comment on a video full of spoilers for other games, spoilers for stuff in the comments should be taken as a given. But if you're complaining about me revealing the goal of the "good guy" of Tales of Berseria, that's not a spoiler, dude talks about emotions being bad from the first time you talk to him in game. The "driving humanity into oblivion" thing is more of what's implied will happen if he succeeds, not exactly his goal per se. I can only assume that's what you're complaining about, since the other instance couldn't possibly be clearer within the first scene of the game.

[@darraksden1727]

I always get confused on this topic but why is Shelby a anti hero and not a villain?

[@erickpoorbaugh6728]

Because they've apparently confused "hero" with "protagonist" and lumped villain protagonists in with anti-heroes. Shelby is definitely a villain protagonist, not an antihero (as are some of the other characters on this list).

[@RainbowEssence-c3w]

4:26 that would've been hilarious if you inserted Ave Maria there. XD

[@NarrowSpider]

One of the ending options for Gunslinger was literally called "Redemption"

[@ButterflyScarlet]

The thing about being an anti-hero is that the traits that define heroism change frequently. In early runs Captain America's heroism was defined by being a patriotic, obedient soldier (Lawful Good). However times changed and now unquestioning obedience isn't considered as heroic. In Ancient Greece Odysseus was considered an anti-hero because they valued a more beat-em-up style a la Heracles therefore Odysseus relying more on his wits would have been seen as cowardly.

[@moth8775]

Your friendly neighborhood stalker.

[@yorkshirepuddin_]

Agent 47. Sometimes he saves the world from deadly virus outbreaks. Other times he throws explosive rubber ducks at people

[@omiorahman6283]

True

[@Incarcerant]

He's not an antihero, he's just well rounded lol

[@TMWriting]

"SHUT YOUR FU**ING MOUTH!" may just be the funniest out of context clip I've ever seen. Goddamn hilarious, guys.

[@javis999]

You all know Jane is the boss and if you say otherwise your the antihero.

[@thundergaming5785]

Trevor didn't kill Debra for "no real reason." The woman pulled a gun on him. Not everyone is going to react peaceful and compliant to that. You can't point a gun at somebody and just not expect them to retaliate. Especially when you don't know if you've got a violent unhinged lunatic at the end of the barrel. Moral of the story: Don't threaten someone's life and expect no retaliation.

[@Darsh0019]

That captain in God of war was a slaver. You rescue some women from his cabin

[@amthatdad3450]

Doesn't he end up having sex with her in a cut scene?

[@jedimike7622]

"Rescue"...

[@ryanpennington8108]

I actually liked playing as Trevor the most then probably Franklin and I hated Michael. It felt like Trevor was a release valve, he never tried to hide who he was. You knew what you were getting just by looking at him and he was the debaucherous, ultra violent, and impulsive end that I think everyone has locked away deep inside. Trevor was freedom in it's most base and pure form, while Michael was trying to fit into a system that wasn't really him.

[@eve5558]

Scott Shelbey isn't an anti-hero though, he's a pure villain. Anti-heroes, like Deadpool, aren't as morally driven as heroes, but still work to stop the bad guys, and killing children to see if their parents care enough to try to save them doesn't really count as fighting the bad guys.

[@keiyangoshin3650]

Plot twist. The main character you play as, is not always a hero. That’s just the default definition games came up with. Often times, your playable character is anything but. 🤷‍♀️

[@mistercaddzola734]

13:49 No, I laughed at “Hero”

[@ZeOnetruth]

No

[@BobBobson]

Mutual annihilation of matter/antimatter is only ensured if every atom of each contacts each at the same time. If you ran into an antimatter version of yourself (assuming no reactions to air and such) the first point of contact would explode, flinging bits of you in every direction. Less annihilation and more chunky pink mist.