Stacy Rasgon, Bernstein semiconductor analyst, joins 'Power Lunch' to discuss why Rasgon has kept his forecasts the same for Intel and AMD, whether the potential chip ban could escalate trade tensions, and more.
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@whatyousaid13752 ай бұрын
When US ban & block these and that is national security. When China ban a little piece of US product, US media call escalation trade war 😂😂😂
@kenyup79362 ай бұрын
Not small pieces, all social media banned
@whatyousaid13752 ай бұрын
@@kenyup7936China didn’t ban any US social media. They refuse to keep the data in China -china data protection law and decided to leave china. TikTok is also required to keep US data in US - in Oracle according to US data protection law.
@kenyup79362 ай бұрын
@@whatyousaid1375if it wasn’t ban why we can’t access them without VPN?
@DubboU2 ай бұрын
@@kenyup7936 do you consider overseas content on Netflix banned, since we can't access them without a VPN?
@xiphoid20112 ай бұрын
Lol, as a Chinese, I laugh at the governement propaganda you are pushing. Of course China bans most western social media and news, every Chinese knows this fact.
@bigmantrue12 ай бұрын
For years, China relied on buying chips from the US, using money from selling cheap goods to Americans. But now, with US politicians ban chip exports, China is rethinking its strategy. This pressure is driving China to boost its own technology. China may soon appreciate the US for catalyzing this shift, as it's prompting China to enhance its tech and upgrade production-a move it hadn't deemed necessary in its staunch belief in the "free market".
@peronliu6886Ай бұрын
For years, US relied on buying cheap comodaties from China,using moeny from s arming taiwan....
@Kevin-fq3zhАй бұрын
i find your sense of misplaced optimism extremely comical
@edwardchen9920Ай бұрын
@@Kevin-fq3zhHe just stated a fact; it's not about optimism. If we're talking about optimism, I think you will spend the rest of your life trapped in fear and hatred of China, unable to extricate yourself.
@Kevin-fq3zhАй бұрын
@@edwardchen9920 facts? he just expressed an opinion which anyone is free to disagree with. China’s biggest fear is decoupling because China still relies on the West for high end technologies like MRI machines, precision instruments & industrial software. And this is something your own industry leaders said so as reported in Caixin & Yicai…. 醒醒吧
@edwardchen9920Ай бұрын
@@Kevin-fq3zh I don’t know what to say about you; as long as you are happy, that’s OK. Among thousands and thousands of reports, you can choose only what you like to read, but of course, your understanding will stay there and cannot improve. Living in one's own imagination is also a way of survival.
@happymelon71292 ай бұрын
US Ambassador to China said “we will not live in a world in which China is the dominant power”. 😢 Chinese spokesman: Countries, big or small, rich or poor, are all equal members of the international community. China will not dominate the world, nor does it believe that the world should be dominated by anyone. China has no intention to surpass the United States, but to be a better version of itself so that the Chinese people can live a better life.
@teoeehuat8742Ай бұрын
First World Country with Third World mindset. He must be dreaming.
@loremasteringwion9930Ай бұрын
China is a dictatorship, plus China wants to destroy the West and bully its neighbors.
@@Kevin-fq3zhHe is enlightening you; otherwise, why would you respond? Fool.
@topz8196Ай бұрын
the point is wests want to dominate the world china want balance
@amunra53302 ай бұрын
The last breath of a dying empire.
@KangachThiey-gx8bn2 ай бұрын
😂😂
@mniay2 ай бұрын
I'm actually confused because I sincerely can't tell who you are referring to.
@amunra53302 ай бұрын
@@mniay why the US of course
@DW-op7lyАй бұрын
The USA had to borrow 2 trillion a year to prop up its economy China trade surplus with the world is over 820 billion a year
@loremasteringwion9930Ай бұрын
@@amunra5330 Ok, you've clearly revealed your anti-American bias.
@greatdancer2 ай бұрын
It is very obviously that the Chinese is looking for a way to stop reliance on American chips. No one should doubt the intention. It might take a while for the government agencies to use the Chinese chips and iron out the obvious issues. Then the general public would probably follow suit soon, given the clear cost advantage of home-grown chips. There isn't much consumer market for high-performance, blooding-edge processors anyway. Home-grown chips will do fine for 95% of the use cases. Make no mistake, Intel and AMD need to think about how their CPU businesses survive without the Chinese market. Since the American public has already reached this consensus of inhibiting the Chinese tech development, American high-tech companies should prepare for operating without the Chinese market. Somehow, the world gets into this confrontational and hostile situation, that is a clear trend in the foreseeable future. There is an old Chinese saying, "Harmony creates and grows wealth." I think there is quite a bit wisdom in it. So Americans don't care about harmony, and are very sure of winning this trade war, then at least for the short-term, they should prepare for losing quite a bit of wealth.
@kenyup79362 ай бұрын
But the problem is which are the replacements, our govt did this before back then some years ago, it didn’t work, it just their aggressive rhetorical, it ended up with failed, we still using intel and AMD as well, big enterprise companies still use oracle database so on
@greatdancer2 ай бұрын
@@kenyup7936Time is different now that the Chinese can make 7nm chips and better. The Chinese has the x86 and Arm alternatives, and the desktop OS from Huawei as well. There will be initial transition issues, but once those government agencies work out some flows, the momentum will get going to a bigger scale. It is the same story with database. All the big Chinese companies, Alibaba, Tencent, Huawei have good in-house alternatives. Given the right moment, which could be now, I don't see why the Chinese government wouldn't start to phase out the foreign databases, using national security as an excuse, just like Americans do.
@kenyup79362 ай бұрын
@@greatdancerI don’t think our ppl accept that kinda things , 😂 let me prepare the popcorn 😂
@Anthony-dj4nd2 ай бұрын
Might be a global national issue. Who's to say America won't try to make other countries reliant and then suddenly block exports
@vegamoonlight2 ай бұрын
I should have liked it but saying Americans are winning? No, you are losing. China and its allies can benefit high-tech products at low prices than offered in the West.
@happymelon71292 ай бұрын
Research experts at Canalys report that Dell was the biggest loser in last year's Chinese PC hardware sales with a 44% fall
@James-mc5hc2 ай бұрын
The sanction will force the Chinese to create their own chips as always.
@kenyup79362 ай бұрын
if your rhetorical for politics yes, but if its for economy and for practical usage I dont think our country is able to build a competitive CPU. no way
@vegamoonlight2 ай бұрын
@@kenyup7936😂😂😂 China's Lenovo is the number 1 PC maker in the world. Are you even Chinese?
@vlhc46422 ай бұрын
Already did, it's about ecosystem, and this is how you create ecosystem.
@giganigga96242 ай бұрын
Nobody said China can’t make their own chips. But It will take china atleast 20-30 years to even catch up to today’s chips. By the time they catch up we will have even better chips. Having advanced chips is literally what is keeping Taiwan alive. Because the US wants to have advanced chips. And will go to war to have them
@kenyup79362 ай бұрын
@@vegamoonlightso you didn’t answer my question, what are the replacement? Lenovo don’t production CPUs itself
@WhatsTheCode2 ай бұрын
My prediction is that come 2028 the world will have tired and moved on past this ruckus ….china will be having and probably using their own chips and the US will be still trying to stop them from growing but when the world has allowed that china will grow bigger and bigger for the betterment of the world
@kenyup79362 ай бұрын
no way, in 2028 the prediction will be our tech obsolete with days in China
@giganigga96242 ай бұрын
China better stop being assholes in the South China Sea first
@DW-op7lyАй бұрын
Embarrassing take as China leads the world in 37 of 44 critical technologies of the future But let’s focus on 1 sector which the Chinese are behind but fast catching up
@happymelon71292 ай бұрын
China need to de-risk from Iphone(with C"1""A backdoor) also
@Jen-xg3iq2 ай бұрын
Dude, you banned advanced chips export to China, now you complain? 😂
@nntflow70582 ай бұрын
China has been banning companies like youtube and google from operating in China. Now they complain about tiktok being banned in the US. 😂 😂
@nntflow70582 ай бұрын
China has been banning companies like youtube and google from operating in China. Now they complain about tiktok being banned in the US. 😂 😂
@darthvadeth62902 ай бұрын
@@nntflow7058 where is the law in China that says it bans Google? Cite me that law please ❤
@nntflow70582 ай бұрын
@@darthvadeth6290 😂 I love delusional people who forgot that people could use google outside of China.
@darthvadeth62902 ай бұрын
@@nntflow7058 I love lying people who make claims like "Google is banned in China" that they cannot prove 😂😂
@happymelon71292 ай бұрын
2024, mark the first year of Apple’s decline? iPhone shipments in China fell 33% year-on-year last month. iPhone shipments in the Chinese market have declined for the second consecutive month. Total iPhone shipments in January were approximately 5.5 million units, a decrease of approximately 39% from the same period last year.
@vegamoonlight2 ай бұрын
When that expert failed to regard Huawei saying China does not have a leader. But SMIC exists and also Huawei that NVidia considers a serious competition.😂😂😂
@ismailalialiali12162 ай бұрын
We shall see. Other countries will follow China using computers and servers without American chips. When China announces something, there is always a plan. Quantum chip, and etc could be coming soon. lol
@LanNguyen-vd4zt2 ай бұрын
When pigs fly and cat talk
@hpw-ws6bj2 ай бұрын
@@LanNguyen-vd4ztwhen viets can fly and talk like pigs and cats instead of an uncle tom. 😂😂😂
@DW-op7lyАй бұрын
China is the biggest chip importer in the world as they advance in a chip manufacturing that mean less that countries are exporting to China
@somethingpodcast21502 ай бұрын
Good for consumers too, phone and computer prices will fall. Also in the near future they might get computers without Microsoft or intel.
@ahmedaminemejri62262 ай бұрын
China is only the beginning
@jeffrose56222 ай бұрын
AMD will never break $200 and most likely drop back to about $125.
@yapsiauwsoengie6507Ай бұрын
One more that will bring hell to them is when China start to compete them in international market.
@brucej24902 ай бұрын
Arm chip can replace intel
@zhanghg50802 ай бұрын
We China didn't ban chips, just ban them in devices of goverment owned, even not in all devices. For us, we will still use Intem and AMD
@johnnyq4260Ай бұрын
Right, just like what Micron said when it got banned in China.
@AbuShivaToyib2 ай бұрын
Welldone
@vincentwady2 ай бұрын
Why the West worried for China when they told you they only want to use calculators, not PCs. Let them use calculators.
@vegamoonlight2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂 But China's Lenovo is the #1 PC maker in the world.
@KingofPeriodicTable2 ай бұрын
Because China is the only country using computers, said analysts 😂
@MetaView72 ай бұрын
most of the computer work can be done with a Chromebook. Which is basically a dressed-up calculator.
@7hx8929 күн бұрын
So what exactly is your position? Do you want to gain access, OR block the supply to China’s market?? Can you do both at the SAME time?
@silvertone123 күн бұрын
They also scream their government doesn't help them at the same time calling everything they are offered socialist and veto it! :P
@VL-inquisitorАй бұрын
This is where the US is a clear winner and a forerunner as well. USA has decoupled (or de-risked) from China for quite some time now. Now China is doing exactly the same on American products and services. So, please don't complain.
@slap992 ай бұрын
Government computers only or all of China? And if so, what type of CPU do you want to install?
@kenyup79362 ай бұрын
Absolutely only the govt , our govt tried to replace American tech companies before some years ago, but ended up with failed, ppl still use intel and AMD as well, big companies still use oracle database so on
@pohmoh35902 ай бұрын
Chinese companies have X86 licenses. Also Loongsan cpu. For servers they have RISV chips. One obstacle is chip mfg where SMIC is restricted. Govt can later forced Chinese ppl to use non Intel, AMD systems to do govt online services.
@kenyup79362 ай бұрын
@@pohmoh3590 did you see our PCs and our servers use Loogsan CPU? lol
@zsarimaxim6922 ай бұрын
@@kenyup7936You forgot Obama banned Intel chips for Chinese supercomputers, and China switched to domestic RISC-V chips and now still holds the lead in supercomputing.
@yudogcome59012 ай бұрын
The government and state-owned enterprises are promoting de-Americanization. You can take a look at the recent bidding content of state-owned enterprises and governments. For example, China Mobile. Only 1/3 of the servers recently purchased are American CPUs, while the PCs used for office use are all going to the United States. However, if the Communist Party is confident in saying it, it will definitely be done.
@YarhnamАй бұрын
This is what US wish for so don't be surprised
@reggie22612 ай бұрын
Completely agree
@sebastianlassus9122 ай бұрын
NOTHING IS BEARISH, scream it out loud baby!
@zentandi1199Ай бұрын
Such a small ban could drive US crazy?
@darrenhere58562 ай бұрын
stacey's PT on AMD is like $145....
@xinyiquan666Ай бұрын
yeah, everything is not that big in US, even it is collapsing
@daramy9507Ай бұрын
He is downplaying things quite a bit. Maybe he is correct, but the implications could be large especially if other Chinese companies start to feel that they should align their purchases in a similar way.
@kcchong5661Ай бұрын
Tell them to Intel and AMD.
@wewave232 ай бұрын
This guy is trying so hard to say banning AMD and Intel dont matter to America, but his argument is so weak, almost tantamount to sweeping under the rug and pretending all is well and dandy. Haha, go on and hope everything is rosy. He's rattling on desperation.
@lindafukuyu5767Ай бұрын
That is typical American .. don't want to admit they're losing the battle and keep bad-mouthing China. America is supposed to work together with China instead of hating China. What a Loser !
@RaffaelPallusАй бұрын
Intel now is weapon manufacturing vendor
@user-br9oi2sh7o2 ай бұрын
Yes, take it easy,no big deal,relaxed.
@pohmoh35902 ай бұрын
Chinese companies have X86 licenses. Also Loongsan cpu. For servers they have RISV chips. One obstacle is chip mfg where SMIC is restricted. Govt can later forced Chinese ppl to use non Intel, AMD systems to do govt online services.
@kenyup79362 ай бұрын
our chips are joke actually, i DIDN'T SEE ANY case for our chips usage scenarios in China yet
@dr4jm2 ай бұрын
Are PC chips becoming obsolete? High powered mobile chips can do more now than in the past.
@user-km3hv8qo9pАй бұрын
Though China is innovating more strongly than the US and faster moving generally, I think the US will hold out for longer than some think. Long term - yes, China will be technologically a lot stronger than the US, however I still think the US will hold out for a few more years, before they significantly fall behind.
@sirkeg12 ай бұрын
Ah how nice! So China is strengthening domestic industry at little cost to US companies. Nice positive story. No chance this gets blown out of proportion.
@DanBurgaud2 ай бұрын
Only the future will reveal who is the winner: China or USA. Place all your bets!
@silvertone123 күн бұрын
You can't be serious. That race is over, China won. We're playing catch up in most fields and this chip bs is out last bastion. Even our planes will be rejected..our EVs too. Capitalism can't compete without capitalists and capital.
@mokulashiАй бұрын
relax American , we Chinese are de-risking for national security as well. Its just 1.4B market you are losing , relax , you can go find India to replace us , hahahah
@X-jn87ybtАй бұрын
Actually we are planning to do the same when they sanction Russia.
@weichengcnАй бұрын
Very silly for this man to view phasing out of US chip in chinese telco operator as retaliation of trade war. This is a strategic move!
@tompell3032Ай бұрын
Please Mr Xi, ban Intel but not AMD chips.
@BowlofIndoMee25 күн бұрын
Good, China just used the Uno reverse card
@AP-ei4jtАй бұрын
these analysts are quite funny, making one bad call after another, yet kept on chugging along 😂😂😂. China is an ecosystem. If they ban intel, there will be ramifications in the whole supply chain.
@TodayTrends1Ай бұрын
Best decision
@lianghao71282 ай бұрын
They said exactly the same thing when China basically banned Boeing.
@billinsf882 ай бұрын
China “banned Boeing”? I didn’t know that but they should be concerned with the quality of their aircrafts
@lianghao7128Ай бұрын
@@billinsf88 Last year, China ordered 175 Airbus, 0 Boeing. The year before last year, 300 Airbus, 0 Boeing. Its ypical Chinese style, we won't tell you that we have banned you, so if you want to talk, maybe I will continue purchases. But right now, they aren't really talking to each other. If this continues for 10 years, 20 years, how much money will it cost? There will be more and more defects in Boeing, like doors flying away in the air. because when they earn less, they cut corners. You will be concerned.
@lianghao7128Ай бұрын
@@billinsf88 Its typical Chinese style, we won't tell you that we banned you, so if you want to talk, maybe I will continue purchases. But right now they aren't really talked to each other.
@RangKlosАй бұрын
@@billinsf88There's a company called airbus you know?
@billinsf88Ай бұрын
@@RangKlos and?
@YSKWatch2 ай бұрын
it just warning related to tick-tock.
@animeao6980Ай бұрын
An arrogant bully and a clever thief
@JackKing12.2 ай бұрын
Now that is 😂😂😂😂😂🎉
@chingtuckmeng11222 ай бұрын
@CNBC Television World is USA? game just started....makes my day when ANYTHING US of A banned
@joeandrew13002 ай бұрын
The devil rebukes sin······
@tedchandranАй бұрын
Jai Hinduja. Why don't just ban Intel and AMD chips for Chinese military?
@rakeshkrishnan10996 күн бұрын
Your level of fear increases as you bark louder. 🤣🤣🤣
@johnnywong1018Ай бұрын
Not that big . china population 1.4Bn US 300 Million
@athalyaaАй бұрын
lies as always
@fw1000015 күн бұрын
g😊
@knt32192 ай бұрын
Has This Market Changed. What Future Market Is Forwarding ! That Has Been Important Than Any Thing Else. In Such Instance , As An Investor , You Must Ask YourSelf This Realistic Question : Where Are We Hitting On Chips 💚💚💚And What Are The Important Chips As U.S. 🇺🇸 Economy Forwards. Welcome To 2024 , A Different Look At Future Market Where Innovation Structure And Market Leading Takes Place Once Again. Sincerely❤️❤️❤️, KNT.
@kenyup79362 ай бұрын
Don’t worry, I believe it’s really small portions of products , and I don’t think we have a better replacement, we dont have something else option actually, can you figure out what products can replace intel and AMD as well?
@user-cn6zr4mh4h2 ай бұрын
A Chromebook based on ARM cpu for the usual office tasks?
@kenyup79362 ай бұрын
@@user-cn6zr4mh4hChromebook actually unavailable in china
@FoundingFathersUSA2 ай бұрын
Chinese horse and carriage beats an automobile any day…
@kenyup79362 ай бұрын
lol
@user-ph3fe8ko8rАй бұрын
the purpose is actually to de-risk,, who knows when the us gov stops supplying suddenly in the future?