Overcoming Hobby Drain

[@EonsOfBattle]

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[@danieljaimez9925]

will you ever paint lieutenant Titus?

[@brokenheroics8223]

I feel burn out on a whole different level recently. I opened up my own game store in Feb and I sell GW products along with other mini games. There is not a single moment I'm at the shop that I'm not talking about the models, painting the models, watching everyone else play with their models and on and on. I feel burn out due to it being my job. So when I come home, the last thing I personally wanna do is paint, build or play any games. I'm just brain dead from info dumping and sometimes conversations that go south. Hopefully this will clear out soon and I can enjoy the hobby again. Thanks for the video, Jay.

[@surelylune]

sucks to hear that man! really hope you get your mojo back, and find some inspiration. it sounds corny to say, but im sure youre at least inspiring some folk to get hobbying yourself

[@KRickOnEm]

What @surelylune said… you’ve probably been the entry point to the hobby for several people at this point and man…. that’s a really cool thing. I can’t remember the name of the guy that ran the local Games Workshop store that I walked into over 20 years ago , but he’s been one of the most influential impacts on my 33 years of life. That’s a beautiful thing. We all get burnt out from time to time, but this too shall pass. Much love this morning from an internet stranger. Thank you for shepherding more people into this wonderful hobby.

[@magnusmillerwilson]

I hope you get some help so you get a break to get some time to yourself!

[@Lizard_Man45]

You’ll get your rhythm back, just keep on keepin on!

[@trevormelton3060]

You should try other games that aren't wargames! I highly recommend D&D.

[@moweu]

5:54 so cursed to see Jay standing next to another human (I often forget that he has legs)

[@Nordic_Redhead]

Ya anytime he's in front of the camera I think his lower half is off-screen with no legs just connected to hoses and rod, like the machine god wanted

[@nono-dq9kh]

😂

[@medicinalmadam]

It's just an AI coverup doctoring over his little floaty Yoda chair thing.

[@davehlewis]

I'm always impressed by the angles you find to talk about things. This could easily have been an "I won X at this event", or "I went to X event", but you manage to make such a compelling video framing it in a completely different way the people can relate to way more. Even I feel inspired to finally leave the house and find something going on locally.

[@colouredIncognito]

Event of 4... Come on now

[@davehlewis]

@@colouredIncognito Can't say I understand the comment - what do you mean?

[@kiLLjoytroopers]

hey jay glad to have met ya during the event. I am one of the AOS players that was there playing, and the vibe you were talking about it is a big part of the community, everyone I know who like myself came from 40k all agree that AOS is a breath of fresh air and right now much more enjoyable in our opinion. The event required battle ready painted armies to play but playing AOS with the grey is always a grand time. There was also a huge focus on hobby and painting with a lot of fantastic conversions so this was a more relaxed enviroment compared to other GT's however all in all it was a fantastic weekend of games, heywhoa has a stream going over the armies and some of them are an absolute delight to look at. Seeing and playing agaisnt other extremely well done armies is what help kicked my hobby burnout and now im painting almost 5k points worth of stormcast, it also help that the group i am with, Broken ranks, kept pushing me to have a painted army after so many RT with grey minis. Time to slay the grey!

[@xManzi]

If your brain ever goes "You know what, I don't want to paint anymore, I want to watch Joker 2", there are far bigger problems than hobby burnout to watchout for. You should go to see the therapist. 🤣🤣 But on a serious note, this video just radiates with happiness and joy from event... This was so cool and watch.

[@doubletime9098]

Going to a LGS can definitely help with burnout. When I went to the Warhammer store in Akihibara, Tokyo (which you should all check out if you're ever in Japan. Its huge and has the best gaming tables and terrain ive ever seen in any LGS. it even has a cafe) i saw two people playing a 2000 pt game and asked if I can watch them since im a beginner. Hanging out with them definitely wanted me to keep painting my models once I got back to my home country.

[@sebastian.v2]

A little TMI that may help: i realised that i used to burn out due to something deeper - long story short, i was using hobbying obsessively to cover up anxiety or some sort of undiagnosed adhd or something like that. Any other fix was purely cosmetic and didnt do much for me. Once I started fixing myself with the help of therapy and all that (for unrelated issues - generalised anxiety - no meds needed) i started finding moderation, and now i still hobby but not nearly as much, and still love it.

[@iTz-_-WaTtSoN]

I have recently just started getting into warhammer over the last 2 week and that is party because of you I have been hooked on watching your videos and playing space marine 2 thank you for the content!

[@deltaplecks]

Painted the Hedonites of Slaanesh Spearhead recently and i had a blast. Painted them to the highest standard i am able too and had sooooo much fun

[@p.kohler4831]

i would like to thank the state of Wisconsin for two things. The Packers and EonsOfBattle.

[@Fughley]

Jay: it was a pleasure to have met you at Dragon Fall. It was great event and I hope to see you at the next one.

[@tannergee]

Whenever I feel like I want to hobby but have no drive to hobby, I grab a 1 off model I don't care about and try something new. Base coating and higlighting with nothing but sponging, using vibrant colors I don't normally use, or only dry brushing the everything but the tiny details. Within a few minutes i start to see something cool and my hobby mind kicks on and starts to drive again.

[@sinisterplank3113]

This is a great suggestion. My personal go tos are cleaning and building from the backlog, or grab a few spare bases and just try new ways to base.

[@ZiggyRa]

I got hobby burnout a year ago and came back to it yesterday and its great again

[@cbjewelz]

Yea I took a 10 year break ha. It wasn't even from burn out, I just churn through hobbies in cycles. It's pretty annoying cause I never finish anything...

[@mercuryrising9758]

​@@cbjewelz i dont mean to sound rude but as someone who has it, you may want to consider getting tested for ADD. That can be a very common sing and meds can do wonders

[@cbjewelz]

@@mercuryrising9758 Ha interesting I came across that way. I've always felt I have the opposite of ADD where I'm hyper focused/obsessive on things that interest me and then I burn out after a few months and move on but maybe that is a form of it? It also feels linked to my perfectionism where I research and research and go very meticulously so that I make little progress and also build up the tasks too much in my mind. It turns into pressure or a chore and then I get turned off. My mother specializes in learning disorders and I was never diagnosed with it as far as conventional education and learning...

[@pinkyysk]

I have craft burn out from embroidery. Which I'm so so over after last years gifts I made for people and decided to give up till mum asked me to do her an embroidery a huge one. I've been putting it off for ages. Now have a few weeks to do it. Just want to sit hunched painting singing loudly to what ever I'm listening to happily. Not repeatedly stabbing myself Good advice and well done on your wins

[@BielTanThom]

When I'm feeling a bit burnt out from intricate projects I like to do an easy project like scenery. Slap some paint on with a big brush and get some drybrushing on the go. Having a break from being a perfectionist can feel liberating.

[@-TheMachineGod-]

I do the same thing, but instead of scenery, I just paint Horus Heresy marines to avoid freehanding or NMM

[@BielTanThom]

@@-TheMachineGod- nice one! Horus Heresy has cool models 👍

[@Spongemonkey26]

Yeah I haven't painted anything new a several months. But I've found if you have burnout from painting the same scheme over and over again, try switching to something with a completely different one. Or if you only use layer paints, try out contrast style paints. Or if you're used to single infantry sized models, try something bigger.

[@BroodingEdgelord]

How are your dark elves?

[@lincolnsnow6166]

That sounds like such a fun tournament! I've been really afraid of going to a warhammer tournament because of struggling to remember rules but Dragonfall sounds so welcoming. Love the idea of combining painting with gaming for the army category.

[@thenapalmbrothershq5585]

Not sure if you have hobby burn out but that BT tank you just did was fooking stellar.

[@anthonymaravola3966]

So glad you had a blast, and than you for shouting out the show! Your army entry was so deserving of its Gold coin! But i want to point out that Ghazghkull won a copper coin, not a bronze, because Dragons horde copper, not bronze 😂 Cant wait to see you next year!

[@deerclops8184]

Just got back into wargaming after 20 years. Picked up a space marine starter box with the three marines and 6 paints to see if i want to be fully back into it. (Painter main) Your videos got me excited to pick it back up and the new space marine models are really nice, i miss the old helmets but the new ones are starting to look cool to me.

[@markgriffiths2659]

This is such good advice. Been feeling a bit of the hobby burnout for a while now, but just hearing you talk about this event has made me want to check out some kind of event at some point. And your Ogres are just superb! 👌🏻

[@TheTaoZun]

Absolutely love that army category rule

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

Personally I have a list of things in my head I “need” to finish and the things I want to do. I never push myself to hard to finish the “need” list and when I start getting really sick of it I move on to something I’ve been looking forward too. I also can’t just rush out and army just to play. Every model has to be painted to a certain level of satisfaction or I won’t call it done. If I really just can’t sit down to paint that day or I wont get into it then I just wont. Usually a couple hours of stomping as skarbrand in warhammer 3 will get me back in the mood.

[@magnusmillerwilson]

OK fine. You have convinced me to go to Dragon Fall next year. I don’t have any excuses anyway and it would be great to meet you, Zambies, Sam Lenz, and Uncle Adam!

[@blakearius]

Like just for mentioning Terraria and Factorio. Those are some chefs kiss type games.

[@gammafighter]

Age of Sigmar players start bright and early because they gotta get home and mow the lawn.

[@Drivestort]

I was experiencing burn out for a lot of this year because of struggling to paint Tau infantry and Seraphon, I ended up deciding to axe the Seraphon for Hedonites, and pivoting from more infantry heavy Tau to battle suits, and dipping into getting the smaller skirmish games to be able to switch around what I'm doing and have been inspired again.

[@epicolly0572]

I now love you more knowing you're a fan of terraria.

[@CandellieStudio]

I've been painting a while now and played my first ever game as combat patrol earlier this year. But I haven't attended a war gaming event. Funnily enough, there is one this weekend that I had thought about attending. So with this I think I'll give it a go.

[@Mosaic117]

My way of getting over burnout is to just paint a trivial little mini which isn’t really part of an army. I did a little 2nd edition snotling recently :D

[@capo1mico]

3 friends of mine and me are buying our first minis ever and are eager to start playing some games. Unfortunately, the consensus is to go the 40k Combat Patrol route while I'm so, so much interested in AoS and the spearhead mode. I'm happy I have a couple of friends that want to start the hobby, but at the same time I have such a sour taste in my mouth...

[@sculptdude]

Congratulations on the Spearhead win!!! Hopefully this makes up for some of the recent 40K shortfalls.

[@bravefastrabbit770]

08:45 wat, they serve booze at these events?

[@robling1937]

I had a dsicussion on reddit about hobby burn out in the DnD community and this was my advice for people feeling worn out. I think it is applicable to war games too. Switch it up: go buy and play some alternatives to DnD. Let those other games inspire new directions to take your players and allow yourself to import interesting mechanics from other games. A few suggestions in no particular order: Cairn, Dungeon Crawl Classics, Shadowdark, D20, Call of Cthuhlu, Into the Odd, and Cyberpunk. Collaborate: find someone who you can share your ideas with. Find out what ideas excites them. What seems a bit thin. Use them to inspire you. Keep Going: keep playing and keep DMing. A plateau isn't overcome by taking a break. You will continue to grow and learn as you go, but you have to keep going to get those benefits. Emulate: find a DM irl or online that is very different from you and learn somethings from them that you wouldn't normally focus on.

[@choclan3336]

I found dipping an intercessor in nuln oil and dry brushing it off and repeating for an hour gets me in the mood for painting

[@tomm9011]

Reading devastation of baal reignited my love for blood angels

[@maxxammax0]

Something that recently jimmyed my jam was building a few gundam kits. Great fun. The 3rd party ones are getting amazing.

[@RealmDesigner]

Just starting my Hedonites journey. Really looking forward to seeing what you do with them!

[@ShadowCoH316]

Sigmar players fully painted and ready early in the morning? Yeah, we call it Dadhammer for a reason lol

[@MrZangetsu1997]

My solution to burnout was to change what I was painting, I can spend weeks just painting one Blood Angel model, sinply because of the way that I paint, I paint to Parade Standard and I don't like to batch painting I recently cracked open my first Tyranid kit out of my massive pile of shame from Leviathan + Extra kits for my 1K list and blued together my first Hormagaunt Not only was it much faster assembling the Nids than the Marines, but it was fun to learn how new colours worked together, plus the entirely organic shapes made for faster and easier painting steps and it doesn't need to be as clean So my recommendation for hobby burnout is to paint something entirely different, with different colours that you're used to, it might just be the refresher that you need and you may learn something new for your regular models

[@ryc03]

For me, I go from hand-painting centric modelling (miniatures) to build centric models (Gunpla, mecha-musume), or large scale models (statues, terrains, even cosplay) before moving back to miniatures. Despite being similar hobbies, they all feel different and bring new perspective to the other niche of the same genre of hobby.

[@theww3attackbattletoaster975]

Let’s go!!! He said factorio

[@EonsOfBattle]

SPACE AGE SPACE AGE SPACE AGE

[@minisarefuntopaint]

It doesn't always need to be an 'event', especially if you don't spend much time around other wargamers. Going to my local wargaming club for the first time had much the same impact on me in terms of increased enthusiasm. 10-15 people playing a bunch of different things, and actually managing to play a couple of games with another human being instead of by myself? Awesome!

[@cbjewelz]

Same! I saw two guys painting casually at a table in my local store and I was instantly motivated. I would hobby so much more with even a friend in the same room. That's how I got into it in middle school decades ago.

[@michaelmorgan9086]

I used to live in Wisconsin I’m still pretty close ish I moved to IOWA if you go next year jay I’ll go too. Hopefully I’ll have my army painted by then

[@Greybeardstavern]

Hate you Jay!!😜 I’ve been waffling about painting/crafting/hobbying. And now I’m feeling energized by association. 😂 Great video! Thank you!

[@uncleabeski]

Brave Little Toaster mad love boss!!!!

[@stiffbristles8771]

8:46 Everyone else heard "another absolute joyous thing about events is the booze" right?

[@pynksalmon4472]

i love those painting contest rules... i kinda want to try for my first comp. what other events have similar rules?

[@loneratwar4746]

I do that exact same thing in the beginning, been Painting the Iconography onto my Flesh Tearers, once I was done I realized they looked way better

[@Kapow666]

yaaaayyyy new EoB upload 🎉

[@davidring681]

I’ve got Uriel and the company hero’s squad to paint and then I’m done with my 10th edition list I’ve been building since last Christmas. Went on a painting bender a few months ago and did 10 sternguard and 10 terminators plus the terminator captain in short order. Since then and since Space marine 2 came out I’ve been lacking on my hobby lol

[@MulletMan_Gaming]

You know, in my corner of the hobby, warhammer fantasy back in the day also had all the best painters and fully painted armies during game days.. must be something in the water lol

[@mbphilipblack8993]

As I'm starting to get into prop Replicas they're expensive so i have to limit how much LEGO i collect in addition to not having a whole lot of space I'm having to really decide what i want to keep and what i want to put ins storage i kind of like it as it focuses me more on my collections/waves. But I've definitely experienced the "i want to but don't want to" feeling with the amount of unboxed sets i have and as they're larger sets i can't really build them as i have no space to display them💀💀💀 and with my growing Speed Champions sets I'm thinking of getting wall mounted displays. The problem with LEGO though is that it Retires (i don't know if Warhammer figures retire also) but the FOMO, more so not just wanting to spend 2-5x MRP so you have to buy them now and store them for later. As I'm not into a lot of hobbies/collecting I'm not too burnt out 🙏🏾. But If i ever get into Warhammer 40K, i think I'd just stick to Ultramarines/Salamanders and Tyrinds 😫. I'd like to get Thousand sons and the Necrons 🥵 but they really expensive and time consuming but it seems fun ngl 😅.

[@coopers1716]

Hearing Jay went undefeated at a tournament is like hearing the British finally got better teeth than us. Well I'll be damned.

[@codemon1352]

I'm experiencing hobby hangup, have yet to pull the trigger on a good paint set. Started with the old AP paints and quickly realized I was fighting the paint so everything is on hold

[@VotePedroNo1]

To avoid burnout I keep my unpainted mini's hidden away, and just keep one or two mins visible that I want to paint, otherwise I'll start to feel overwhelmed. After 30+ years I switched my Warhammer to warlord Bolt Action mini's for WW2 themes. It's interesting to collect mini's with real history and learn more about that pivotal time period via Netflix documentaries. Of course I'll not ditch my love for Warhammer.

[@stevekearns6173]

Gratz dude! nice one!

[@barazo1011]

I'm dealing with 40k burn rn and picked up the Aliens AGDITC game and am messing with that with some buds with no rush or thought really on even painting these lil buggers. I'm sure I will but just enjoying the game so far. Waiting for Nemesis Retaliation 2025... stoked!

[@robtibbetts890]

Every gamer should go to a big gaming con at least once. If you can go a long way and make a road trip of it, that’s also a great feeling.

[@charlessaint7926]

I have an ongoing project where I write 1,000 words a day onto an evergrowing Word document. The story is kinda all over the place. The idea is, keep the mind occupied by constantly forcing it to think, and gain influence by the environment. Started this on 1 January 2024. It's now 21 October, and I'm up to 282,000 words, or 595 pages! I'm a bit behind, being out of town a lot this summer. There's a lot of days where I feel burnout. Still I force myself to do it. i feel that, if I put it for even a day, my attitude will lessen to the point I will lose interest and forget the project altogether.

[@socalastarte6727]

I have the exact opposite problem. Not enough time to paint. I get at most 1 afternoon a week to paint. I have a huge pile of shame and it ends up taking me forever to complete my hobby projects. The cure for Hobby Drain? 65 hour work weeks. (sigh)

[@b4dd1x]

I didnt even realize about the event in lake geneva, ill have to hit it up at some point

[@twiptwip8203]

Terraria inducement took J from the best mini painting KZbinr to the bestest

[@Laz2074]

Aw hell yeah, love hedonites of slaanesh

[@rockybolick9646]

Finding the time to go to these events is what's problematic. I let the season decide, when it's time to paint again. If it's nice outside my brush stays dry. But if it's starting to get cold and rainy, that's when I awake out of hybernation. My problem is, that I don't like to play the games (maybe MEBSG).

[@greenbook7315]

As yes the booze, the most important part

[@FrexieFrex]

when i wanna paint but i dont wanna, i just paint like a tabard quickly, quick small jobs on my army. that way i feel like i got something done. and after a couple of days i just wanna paint again because i see the paint sloooooooooowly grow over a character

[@lotus7175]

FACTORIO MENTIONED!!!!

[@rylandvance5304]

got a local con called Shore Hammer that I'm legit considering going to in December just to check things out. Have definitely been burnt out lately.

[@KageApolloBiff]

TERRARIA MENTIONED

[@thejeremymotley]

0:34 ayy the best game ever

[@xxTONIGHTYOUxx]

Currently sitting here waiting for Space age to drop for Factorio, less than half hour to go! cant wait!

[@colouredIncognito]

Eind drawing conclusions on a sample size of 4.. .😅😂😂

[@272rc]

Finally someone who agrees that terraria is better than Minecraft. What is your opinion on mods like calamity, Fargo’s souls, redemption, and or the tiny Quality of life mods

[@lordhoratio]

Oooooh! I can't wait for the Slaanesh videos!

[@the-grand-moff]

Ahh yes factorio if you love your free time don’t play the space exploration mod for it it takes like 1000+ hours 0:42

[@KAINIVERUS]

What if you live somewere if theres no nearby events or game shops. Figured you would talk about other solutions to burn out.

[@brittanislarp3850]

HELL YEAH!! 🎉🎉❤❤

[@tunguskalumberjack9987]

If someone wants to put their onus on you, make sure you use protection.

[@wout6708]

I thought you were a good youtuber, saying Minecraft is a bad game...... Unforgivable!

[@owlboy9897]

lol the mention of terraria too has to make it the most obvious Jay troll xD

[@elbloncomagnifico]

To be fair, he’s is correct. Minecraft is a bad game to be playing when you got an army to build and paint. I find myself getting sucked into it all the time when i paint.

[@Spiegelritter56]

HERESY!!!!!!!

[@vast9467]

@@user-kz9zi7rv9p i don’t remember flash games being known for full 3d.. 2d however…

[@fallennightmare563]

​@@user-kz9zi7rv9p are u dumb, these are 2 different games, terarria is progress based with a shitton of bossfights, and minecraft Is a game about CREATIVITY

[@robertvsgamming4649]

What advice would you gove yo someone who doesnt have a proper 40K like circle to play? For example Im in germany and the hobby store I get my resources from had evemts but thats a 2 times a month board game night and magic the gathering card games. Did encounter 1 or 3 people in thise board game nights and was even durrected to a proper store that's open most saturdays for free tabletop gaming. However the way there is long (2H drive) and since I dont have a car and transit system is slightly more and more unreliable I dont think I can make it there to play proper games and carying my whole army teough a train is a feat on its own so how can I combat this?

[@toweroftrollgaming]

That was another reason my wife pushed me to start doing commission excepting to paint for others

[@lat1n0_h0t]

The reason for the hobby difference between AoS and 40k is that the 40k crowd is on average youger. The average AoS player/collector is a white male age 35-45 married with two kids. Where on earth is he going to find the time to get out and play a bunch of games. He still stays in the hobby by painting his armies and is used to be up early bc he has to get the kids ready for school. There is a reason why aos is the Dad's game. It's not a bad thing

[@LeoFletcher-s8m]

Ok i will

[@J_23ph]

That is me right now with star wars legions

[@KRITORISS]

0:25

[@jedthefroggy]

Of course Jay plays Factorio

[@toastedwheatbread9966]

Jay you should paint blood bowl

[@grimdarkEarth]

Will we see you at Rock-Con 2024?? It's in two weeks already

[@StMansur]

paused the vid at the 1:35 mark. Making old models feel like new models could be a vid. Stay frosty.

[@venomx99x]

0:35 based

[@-TheMachineGod-]

I wish enough people near me played 40K to have events/ tournaments that are dedicated to warhammer. Congrats on winning a tournament though!

[@scotthartley7837]

What a slanesh thing to say. I want them better and faster!

[@RecklessFables]

It's a shame GW content is required for a channel to exist. I really enjoyed your Infinity vid from 2 months ago and just ordered my first models

[@graemehall6767]

I thought you said "the boooooze", not "the booths". I'm sure that's good too though.

[@justa12packofrccola81]

NGL, I’ve always wondered why Jay uploads his videos at 3 in the morning

[@guilliman1990]

Its actually 9pm at night.

[@moweu]

It's the middle of the day in europe, maybe a big part of his viewers come from there?

[@jakegoodrich6520]

He has said Wisconsin before, so it's like 5am for him; as another central time zoner I enjoy waking up and watching the video while waiting for my dog to poop before work

[@salamanda550]

I cant imagine showing up to a big tournament with unpainted minis. With your buddies, sure, but with strangers at a tourney????

[@ManlyPHall-ce8dc]

My sons play MINCRAFT My daughters play Terraria