Is Section 31 the Worst Trek EVAR? Actor Publicly Freaks Out as Rumors Begin to Fly

[@PoolKid75]

"it's not the Trek that people want." THEN WHY ARE YOU MAKING IT?!?!

[@rogerrussell9544]

It has a brave diverse woman of color and her lesbian romance interest probably.

[@TowGunner]

Can say the same thing about EVERY ST show since Enterprise

[@travisgravelle7687]

This is probably the most relevant response imaginable.

[@Fred-gu6pk]

But is it the Trek people deserve? Probably not.

[@crazyman8472]

“GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!” 😎

[@JessRenee91481]

I've said it once, I'll say it again. Even at its worst TNG still felt like Trek. Even the worst TNG is better than Klutzman Trek.

[@Sealhunt]

I completely agree with you. There were TNG episodes that made me double-take, they were so bad, but they were still better than what Kurtzman made.

[@LKaramazov]

The first seasons of TNG had no more similarity to TOS than STD had to TNG.

[@psychonaut5921]

TNG at its worst could be really BAD. Boring plots, boring characters, overall boring AF. The first two seasons were awful, but just the other day I watched an episode from Season 7 and you know what? Boring as hell! Still, I agree that it was way better than the Star Travesty done by Kurtzman and his minions.

[@LKaramazov]

@@psychonaut5921 the alternate universe story in discovery was good with the torture chambers and the fact that the captain was actually from that universe, the Klingon plot line was excellent. Season one of discovery to me was quite good. I really don’t get the hate. Yes the doctor sucks and the butch engineer, and the helmsman, but tilly was ok. I think people are way too hard on season 1. They lost me with season 2, the AI story, but maybe I should watch it again.

[@Gantiz]

The worst Voyager was better than the best KurtzWrek

[@sethkaicer319]

A show about the Starfleet secret service that is so secret they have their own bases and spaceships and emblems. Gene Roddenberry is rolling over in his grave 🪦

[@Willrocs]

Why ? Star Trek has always been 💩

[@vegeta002]

They're not even supposed to _have_ their own ships and bases to begin with, they're not the Tal Shiar. DS9 and Enterprise typically portrayed Section 31 more like a bunch of vigilantes with high-ranking friends in Starfleet, co-opting Starfleet stuff whenever they needed manpower or resources instead of having stuff of their own. It was the alternate universe JJ movies that made them into their own faction, making it bizarre when Discovery used that version of 31 and claimed the show was set in the prime timeline.

[@thurin84]

@@Willrocs nope.

[@josebrown5961]

The whole thing just makes no sense.

[@linuxuser4895]

@@Willrocs Nice try.

[@stephenshelton4267]

DS9 Section 31 - Deeply covert, no official presence Kurtzman Section 31 - In yo' face with special business cards, supercool black ships, and on Monday morning when everyone arrives to work at the Section 31 building in downtown San Francisco, you'll often find employees standing around the water cooler in their best rubber bdsm gear talking about the previous weekend's parrises squares tournaments.

[@edgarbm6407]

DS9 is so good. At the end of DS9 it is implied that its possible Section 31 existed entirely in Sloan's head. That's how it should have stayed.

[@udirt]

And DS9 was about exposing yourself to morality and grey zones - about the responsibility, about paying the dues when you do bend the rules. Not just what happens to you, but about ensuring you close Pandoras box, with whatever effort, whatever amount of goodness that is needed to do that. To think and accept the burden, for the whole path back when you take that wrong turn. Everything STD isn't.

[@StonedVet81]

Im sure id have a chub if they made a DS9 version of Section 31 ... IF ONLY

[@ForceMaximus84]

DS9 is for people who like Star Trek, but don’t really believe in it.

[@mannylamont5757]

Don't be surprised if Kurtzman doesn't put twerking in there for some reason.

[@sulijoo]

You know things are bad when spoof movies like Galaxy Quest (a movie that actually did love and respect the fans) will be considered more like Star Trek than anything Kurtzman ever vomited up.

[@motorhead281]

I love Galaxy Quest... it was obviously made by Trekkies! To me, it is "Trek". I gave STD a chance, but lost interest fast... it is NOT Trek.

[@morlock2086]

Are you sure it was vomited up? I think it came out the other end.

[@Gantiz]

Never give up, never surrender

[@TheRealRusDaddy]

Hell seth mcfarlanes star trek knock off is better then anything in the last decade and he halted production to let turdsman get more eyes on his trash instead of seths infinitely better show

[@mysheitzbrown]

loved, loved this movie. having ms. weaver in it was the icing on the cake.

[@WilliamParry-db5kx]

Every time I hear "Kurtzman" in reference to Star Trek, I start laughing. I don't mean to, I just do

[@MrMirageCaster]

It's like putting "Clown" in front of "Car". After you do that it can't be treated seriously.

[@KnarfMetmohn]

Is it a hysterical laugh like you going crazy? A sad laugh like you gonna put a gun in your mouth?

[@josebrown5961]

@@KnarfMetmohnThe second one…

[@philjones3824]

I just hear "cursed man, cursed man, cursed man" everywhere.

Do you sound like Doomcock?

[@Michael-wh1vs]

The last gasp of a failed company.

[@hammerheadms]

That's not a gasp you hear, but the off-gassing of a rotting corpse.

[@cheeseburgerinparadise7124]

Sadly, they'll keep gasping because, sadly, a lot of people simply consume.

[@noonenowhere6158]

True. The money trail is as far as you need to look.

[@Foxonian]

A Kurtzman contractual obligation film. Now, that it's done we can move on with the reset.

[@axelhopfinger533]

And NEVER speak of it again!

[@breach005]

Hopefully that jackass gets reset into a fry cook position where he belongs. Should be legally barred from writing or headlining a show ever again.

[@aezee5138]

Section 31: Apathy; Couldn't care less. Star Trek Unification: Legendary.

[@jkasiron2275]

same

[@Red_Lanterns_Rage]

rewatching the classic movies 1-6: this is Trek! absolute legendary stuff and to think half of it spun out of the ending to the second film? oh no spock's dead oh buy Spock's back oh no whale probes....where's the nuclear wessels? why does got need a starship? shakespere klingons? why not.... also David Warner was awesome as Gorkan....and Christopher Plummer as Chang Legends!

[@jkdbuck7670]

I accidentally downloaded something called Section 69 by mistake. Accidentally.

[@rogerrussell9544]

Did Kurtzman direct it?

[@facelessone6555]

My kind of accident. 😅🤣

[@SwiftTrooper5]

Axle Braun make it?

[@Wulfyr]

I'll bet it sucked.

[@dandolanphotography8983]

😮

[@mitchellalexander9162]

3:01 "And THAT is why you Fail." -Master Yoda

[@natehoustman]

Kurtzman's only real skill is securing contracts.

[@theelder4797]

I'll bet he's hoping certain lists remain hidden so he can keep his blkMail leverage.

[@sambas9257]

This has been the poisoned pill of the fired Les Moonves. He knew very well how abysmal was the Kurtzman talent both as writer and producer but he knew very well how untouchable were both Kurtzman-Abrams in Hollywood for their links and origins

[@natehoustman]

@@theelder4797 I think I know what blackmail you mean. It's on everyone's mind because Elon's making a stink about the UK prime Minister.

[@davidgantenbein9362]

What we know about that contract makes me think it was deliberate by whomever represented Paramount. No way a big studio like Paramount doesn’t have better lawyers and better negotiators than that.

[@ThatWilyOtter]

Not The TREK that people want, but THE DREK that they want to force feed us.

[@benhealy2330]

The reason Kazinsky why people want more TNG is they want mature/well acted intelligent stories, not click bait/diversity box ticking/childish immature popcorn crap Kurtzman tries to peddle as star trek.

[@stevew8513]

We want Star Trek that's been smartened up, not dumbed down. Aim high, not aim low. The level of scripts coming out of NuTrek's writers show that they aren't capable of intelligent storytelling because none of them are intelligent.

[@marcyd700]

With you right up until the point where you whine about seeing women on television. Grow up

[@stevew8513]

@ I only mentioned the quality of the scripts. I don't have any clue where you got the "seeing women on television" thing from.

[@khathaway414]

Section 31 movie is going to be 20 pounds of 💩in a five pound bag.

[@G00GleIsACr33p]

💩 nuggett

[@NuclearFridge1]

A transparent bag so that you can see what's inside. Sickening

[@cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775]

The rumor does potentially make sense. The original concept for Section 31 was to make it a series, but when it was announced that they were going to drop that and turn it into a movie, then all they did was take the first two episodes, slapped a potential "conclusion" to it (if they did it at all), and called it a day. With Paramount hitting bankruptcy and falling into massive budget cutbacks at the time of its creation, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened. Unfortunately, if that turns out to be true, all it is is a godawful pilot to something that's not going to be made and was shut down entirely.

[@josebrown5961]

I think it will show that it should never have been made. A series about Section 31 was never needed. It is supposed to be a shadow organization and JJ/Kurtsman trek has just ruined them. Section 31 just needs to be randomly used in whatever show not turn them into the Starfleet Tal Shi’Ar.

[@thomaslaurita4180]

I predict a warp core breach.

[@davidlandrum]

Computer, initiate auto destruct sequence.

[@lex2333]

Let’s have anybody involved, not to abandon ship

[@Red_Lanterns_Rage]

greetings [insert agent name here] if you are seeing this it means the clandestine agency within starfleet has failed or is failing or will; fail, the secretary has at this monent disavowed this group calling themselves -Section 31- if you have not done so the red handle above you is a self ejection handle, pulling that hopefully will reduce the freefall state you may be feeling if not enjoy a fee bath in that large drink you call an ocean.... this message will likely be deleted in 10 seconds....

[@DeepThinker202]

Not its an alien bugs shit turned marp goo...

[@edwardbailey4368]

I don’t recall people hating TNG. It gradually gained an audience because it was good. There was word of mouth before the internet.

[@odojang]

My recollection also.

[@wildbill4496]

TNG started slow and got better (something a lot of shows have done: Babylon 5 and Stargate SG-1 being 2 other scifi examples). STD started weak and got worse as it went along. I wonder if TNG (and those other shows) would succeed today, where there are far more options and things are often cancelled if they don't start strong, rather than given a chance to grow.

[@VersVlees]

Its the same argument The Last Jedi defenders use saying people hated The Empire Strikes back when it came out back in 1980. They are so full of BS and its another gaslighting tactic.

[@Zan_Jayna]

Nope, people thought it was silly and lame the first season. They almost cancelled it.

[@odojang]

@@wildbill4496 Judging how trash like this gets multiple seasons, they would have thrived. The TV landscape is quite different from those days of commercial-driven broadcast with the advent of streaming. Even shitshows like Discovery, The Acolyte and Batwoman can get hundreds of million in budget from subscriptions to professional sports and much better shows; if not from vanity projrcts of deep pocket owners as in the case of Amazon's Rings of Power.

[@facelessone6555]

In other words; They have learned nothing. Well at least thanks to you I will save the time I would've spent watching it.

[@bentonmarcum8924]

You needed Doomcock to tell you not to watch.?

[@facelessone6555]

@@bentonmarcum8924 No; Not really but getting a forewarning is needed for those who are not paying enough attention when something is going to be awful. So, I encourage it when I can.

[@slimbombur7922]

We have had 2 decades of Star Trek that none want. And now it is time for more of the Star Trek none wants. How was that definition of idiocy again?

[@wildbill4496]

2 decades? Which decades and what Star Trek shows are you referring to? Kutzman Trek hasn't been around for 2 decades.

[@JohnS-il1dr]

Since JJ started in 2007. So almost two decades unless the OP was referring to Enterprise as the beginning of garbage trek.

[@wildbill4496]

@@JohnS-il1dr I wasn't even thinking of those movies, but that would make sense, if we aren't just talking TV shows.

[@davidalangay1186]

StarTrek could soon become StarWreck after SuctionDirtyOne's release. 😭

[@ptonpc]

StarWreck, In the Pirkinning is pretty good.

[@davidh0159]

I was around when TNG was originally broadcast. And yes, the first two seasons were difficult to get through. Riker was wooden, Worf was weirdly just there, Geordi was a naïve navigator, and they killed off Denise Crosby with a BADLY written script. It genuinely took until the third season for them to find their groove. And then it was good entertainment. The first two seasons were just... iffy.

[@peterlang777]

I would agree but add the farpoint episodes were interesting.

[@odojang]

They also came out at the time of a writers strike and a directors strike in a period when the TOS movies where starting to soar. No wonder it was not enthusiastically received at the start or as good as it should have been. But it earned it's laurels soon enough. The exact opposite of Abramstrek and Kurtzmantrek; eagerly anticipated because of fans being deprived of any new Trek for over a decade after a brutal stop (looking at you Les ''I-Hate-Si-Fi'' Moonves) and millions in budget allocated... then it all went crashing down from there. This Section 31 farce is the sound of hitting rock bottom.

[@nealgrimes4382]

It's funny at the time, i didn't find it difficult to get through the first 2 seasons, maybe i was more forgiving then, or just bouyed that Star Trek was back, but on a recent rewatch it really dragged.

[@odojang]

@@nealgrimes4382 Same. But at the time, just having new Trek with brand new characters and wonders to discover with the same spirit and soul as the original, that was good enough. Looking back decades later, the weaknesses of those first steps becomes glaring. But seeing how it found it's footing to reach new heigths was worth it.

[@lancebaylis3169]

The thing is, it was two years of finding their feet - and they found them relatively quickly, all being considered. Alex Kurtzman hasn't found his feet with Star Trek yet, and he's been writing it since the late 2010s. The guy is incompetent and has taken Star Trek down with him.

[@clivegriffiths1363]

I just wont bother i haven't bothered since it was announced 😅

[@louistully3831]

Everyone should watch Star Trek Continues

[@omnimetric84]

I’ve seen all 11 episodes. I recommend it highly.

[@earlwyss520]

Absolutely! The guy they picked to replace Shatner as Kirk looks SOOOO much like him, plus James Doohan's son as Scotty, & Grant Imahara as Sulu, great casting for a great transition from TOS to TMP.

[@jeremyblackmouth3323]

The only reason why The Next Generation wasn't so well recieved was the fact none of the cast from The Original Series was returning. Any other 'reason' is just a smokescreen to cover up the lack of imagination and creativity.

[@hammerheadms]

It was a jarring start to that show, but the few times we got to see original cast make an appearance was magical. The fact that the writers were able to turn that show around after the first season is a real testament to their writing abilities.

[@wiredtardis]

Hacks will say "But people didn't like TNG when it started" as some justification to intentionally make a bad product, but TNG became an iconic show after they fired the lead producer and writer. If Skydance wants people to like the "Star Trek" they make, then they'll have to do same kind of house cleaning

[@aracelymoran2504]

+ @wiredtardis hire people who have delved and KNOW the source material.

[@wiredtardis]

@aracelymoran2504 My requirements would be hire people who can and have read a book

[@PumpkinKingXXIII]

Worse Star Trek so far. So far! Never underestimate their ability to make something even worse tomorrow!

[@whos-the-stiff]

It will be called Starfleet Academy !

[@RichardStone-l3z]

'It's dead, Jim.'

[@thisiszaphod]

Wait until Section 32 comes out!

[@linuxuser4895]

Of the closet?

[@DeepThinker202]

Section 39 cause they haven't invented section 40 yet...

[@matthewgerwing6520]

I will never pay for anything Trek, that has the name Kurtzman or JJ attached. I deeply regret watching Picard season 3. Its dead. It's gone. There isn't any spirit anymore.

[@peterlang777]

it left jj style mystery boxes with no resolution plus many plot holes Picard 3 was terrible

[@lancebaylis3169]

It delights me that people have woken up fast to Picard S3 being just as bad as the first two seasons. It shows that the default "let's throw some nostalgia at it to appease the fans!" strat isn't working anymore. Bad writing is bad writing, and Picard S3 was just awful. A terrible end of The Next Generation's legacy.

[@matthewgerwing6520]

@@lancebaylis3169 I agree, its painful to hear people talk positively about season 3. It was an utter disservice to everything TNG was, especially the characters, and they way they treated the D like it was some toy that could be thrown together in spare time.

[@tuttuttut7758]

Its a coping mechanism after a decade of absolute doodoo

[@DeepThinker202]

Its as if many voices called out and pain and wee suddenly silenced.... Oh wait its just Section 31

[@mitchellalexander9162]

2:30 Can you hear the Silent Panic? The Barely Contained 'Oh Shits' and the 'Oh God...That's Us right now...' As Section 31 more and more Shapes up to be Star Trek's Very own *The Acolyte* Moment? The Tianchusatsu of Star Trek? Just like Star Wars had?

[@Texscripter]

Interesting to note that during the ST:TNG years, people off the street could submit scripts for consideration. I remember reading about how a few newbie writers were able to get their starts in TV writing by having scripts bought and made into TNG episodes. Wish I could remember which ones they were offhand. Can you imagine that, in this day and age?

[@TheNameisPlissken1981]

Star Trek?! More like Star Drek! God forbid you give the people what they want!

[@denismilic1878]

Drek is shit in Croatian

[@TheNameisPlissken1981]

@denismilic1878 that's pretty much what it means in English too.

[@johnbernhardtsen3008]

Alternate Universe was a nice plot back then, now its the weakest story to tell! things doesnt matter because they can jump back and forth to get Maguffins to cancel the previous actions and travel back in time is also just as bad!

[@RagtimeBluedream]

Star Trek by and for people who hate Star Trek.

[@aster4jaden]

"Commune with us Doomcock, share your wisdom!".

[@garethdowson]

"Don't get dead " What a classic line.

[@bentonmarcum8924]

I thought the Section 31 project had been canceled.

[@edgarbm6407]

We all hoped it was.

[@breach005]

Id agree with Doomcock that it actually basically was I think, downgraded into a shitty movie to get contract obligations handled then puked to streaming for a quiet death. I really wish we could see the test screenings audience reactions for this dog shit instead, I bet that is entertaining.

[@G00GleIsACr33p]

Section 31 should remain mysterious with no actual headquarters. That is one way to create fear in the franchise.

[@David-James]

Absolutely right.

[@shauncraigparkinson8165]

as in DS9

[@breach005]

The entire premise of this show/movie/horrorfrombeyond is absurd. Kurtzman has never seen DS9 or any of those episodes and its pretty obvious. That chode just took the name because it sounds cool and slapped it on his Guardians of the Galaxy knockoff.

[@DeepThinker202]

My breaking point was breaking the startrek into a multi verse to then break it again with crap...

[@shauncraigparkinson8165]

@@DeepThinker202 So true. It became a silly CW show. Zero direction. And 'The Burn' how embarrassing

[@keithmichael112]

I think we're all going to have a lot of fun with this one

[@joimumu]

The charm of section 31 in DS9 was that we didn’t know if it existed or if it was just one mad man

[@Sketchcook81]

I saw the trailer for that. It just doesn't look like what Star Trek is supposed to be. Not that, that is surprising coming from Kurtzman.

[@davepitts4479]

Section Thirty None: Old trek fan here. It's a show nobody is all that interested in.

[@nunyabizness6595]

Why hasnt Skydance fired Kurtzman already? Why is it taking so long? Please tell me this isnt a KK situation?

[@odojang]

It _is_ a KK situation. Les ''I-Hate-Sci-FI'' Moonves gave him a steelclad contract to turn Trek into ''Game of Thrones in Space,'' After seeing the BS he made with the Abrams movies, he knew he had his man and promptly made the original show runner, an actual Star Trek alumni, to go away. But fortunately, all bad things too come to an end.

[@saladinbob]

It's a lie to say everyone hated TNG when it came out. When it came out everyone very quickly liked it. When it was in pre-production, when it was announced there was a vocal section of TOS fans who wanted a new show with the original cast in it. It was never going to happen because the cast was too old and it was only a small minority calling for it. TNG never had near the level of universal hatred STD does.

[@RobertPreston-z8y]

I can''t understand why Star fleet should need Section 31.

[@keithmichael112]

It worked in Deep Space 9, but it was pretty clear it was a bad thing on that show

[@davidlandrum]

It doesn’t. Section 31 is merely a loophole in the Federation’s charter. It’s not an organization at all.

[@odojang]

@@davidlandrum It's such a loophole that it actually doesn't exist at all. I have the UFP charter in print and nowhere is there a section 31 of any article to be found having any of the provisions given on screen. It is a pure invention from DS9 writers, to bring about different storylines than what has been previously done, to fit the grittier nature of the show and provide new perspectives to ponder; a staple of good Star Trek.

[@davidlandrum]

@ oh ok

[@vegeta002]

@@keithmichael112 It's kinda ironic that they made Section 31 out to be a negative, but also made them the only reason the Federation Alliance was able to win the war the proper Federation way. Even if it was indirectly and not quite what S31 intended.

[@anthonygray333]

Thanks!

[@OverlordDVD]

Hey Anthony, thanks so much, and Happy New Year!

[@kendrickl5913]

Delayed 4 years and downgraded from a show to a movie - we could be in for something really especially bad

[@SpaceDad42]

I’m not. I have no plans to watch it. Haven’t watched any “new” Star Trek

[@MildandLazyGuy]

I don’t care if it’s “officially” decanonized or not. It’s not Star Trek and I’ll skip it along with STD and the ilk.

[@davidrichardson1636]

Creating a series that projects the perverted message he wants to project has required Kurtzman to slap the Star Trek name on it to get at least some Trek fans to watch. Kurtzman can only soil the franchise. The new owners must fire him.

[@danielclark-hughes692]

Just let it die along with Star Wars. We need to spotlight _good_ products, bringing light to this brainless mush isn't doing anything to improve it. Trek was great, now it's dead. Star Wars was great, now its dead. We need to move on.

[@SirMattyD]

Star Trek needs to take a 10 year vacation. And while we're at it, Star Wars could use a decade off too.

[@jackgriffin4538]

Add a zero.

[@Straywork]

Then why make it?! Are they allergic to money?

[@willpower8061]

Non-Trek Section 31...meeeeh.😑

[@WilliamStarkeyIII-hd2cj]

Star Trek has turned into SHIT . It turned into SHIT when they went into JJ Abrams mode . JJ Abrams is and will always be the most insulting director to Gene Roddenberry's entire vision . Just like Disney has ruined Star Wars . We don't need the " ANTI- hero " , "wokeness" , or DEI in entertainment . Get back to the same " Formula " as the original Star Trek .

[@jamesterminiello8763]

I will pay them to take the name Star Trek off of this detritis.

[@gregorysharp]

I prefer Original Star Trek. But I had no problem with TNG. I was actively watching it as each episode would be aired. More Original Star Trek please. Somehow. ❤

[@DonDonP1]

I’m so down for a new era of _Star Trek:_ one under the leadership of anyone who understands the franchise from the get-go. Take heart.

[@MichaelMaloney-x2r]

Section31 big write-off ?

[@matthewdavies2057]

In DS9 it was made clear that Luther Sloan WAS Section 31. All of it.

[@ZoeMalDoran]

Sloan and a few others - when Bashir and O'Brien are inside his head, he says something like "There is no building like this in the real world. All these files exist here, and with a handful of others" ... though the Star Trek Adventures RPG does include "Section 31 is only Sloan" as one of the options for using them

[@alexmuenster2102]

@@ZoeMalDoran >>he says something like

[@cliffordterrell5524]

Star Trek fans come from all different backgrounds and ages different genders and race. I started watching Star Trek because my parents liked it. What we share in common is a love from intelligent writers who identify solve problems in a creative way. This soap opera style without substance spells cancellation.

[@mikedignum1868]

I'm glad i don't have Paramount+ Why is Michelle Yeoh still involved with this, they must be paying her buckets full of cash.

[@DonDonP1]

@@mikedignum1868 well, there are some good stuff there, including “NFL Slimetime.” I hope Paramount+ would be the new streaming home of the _Power Rangers._

[@BubbaThaumaturge]

More kurtzman crap. Just what we didn't want.

[@rogerrussell9544]

I hope it goes way over budget and needs volumes of reshoots.

[@VinzKlortho]

The trailer was enough to turn me away from it 😂

[@DonnieTNJ]

i want a section 31 run by the people in charge of ds9

[@DevinWatson-k3v]

"... Like telling people gravity is still in effect" well said Harvey!

[@Paul-du3qq]

The saddest part is that Michelle Yeoh is an amazing actress. Especially her movies before 1994 "The Heroic Trio" movies being my favorites.

[@richardspears6849]

Hang in there Doomcock!!! Your sacrifice will be remembered!!!

[@OmegaZyion]

TNG wasn't received well when it came out, but people grew to love it. Kurtzman Trek, however, wasn't well received and soured like expired milk on a hot day as they continued to double and tripple down on political pandering.

[@drewgonzales9027]

Bring back Ronald D Moore!

[@Zan_Jayna]

I miss his stuntwork

[@fermidox]

in the woke mindset, anything an "inclusive" person does cannot possibly be evil.

[@dufjdh3u87rhhdbhfhd]

I identify as inclusive. You're not included.

[@alderwolf7687]

The idea of section 31 isn't a bad one despite clashing badly with people happy feel good vision of Star Trek because it's something that would happen in real life. It needs to be well written with realistic and compelling storylines but I just don't have faith anyone in Hollywood is capable of that. Star Trek as we know it might be currently dead but the universe is very much recoverable with new characters and ships totally unrelated to past series. Like Star Wars, it's a big universe with unlimited potential for story telling without the need to recycle anything.

[@Brian-pz3wh]

Honestly, most of them are dubious crap at best with a few good moments. Discovery leads the pack in stupidity.

[@craigshepherd2928]

Star Trek hasn't been Star Trek since Nemesis and Enterprise. Kurtzman hasn't got a clue what Star Trek is all about. This section 31 movie is an absolute joke. All Paramount have to do is make a Star Trek show or movie that the fans want!

[@LorisSawmill]

Skydance Media now own Star Trek after buying Paramount.

[@aracelymoran2504]

+ @craigshepherd2928 Didn't the entire show get "canceled" in the finale by being just a hologram experience of Capt Ryker? or was it just the ending that was a hologram experience?

[@FightForTheUsers]

I think Star Trek is beyond "want". Apathy at best!

[@tm502010]

The Star Trek nobody wanted, to appease a fool’s ego… How often must fans shriek in pain? Doesn’t the parent company(s) want to make money? Why don’t they make what people want?

[@PaulJohn01]

I loved the glimpses we had of Section 31 in previous ST shows and Luther Sloan is 1 of my favourite characters. But i don't want my memories to be ruined by the abomination we're about to get, also Michelle Yeoh or any other actor/actress getting $12 million is terrible.

[@MrJonnydanger]

Thanks for reminding me why I stopped consuming new star trek post 2005

[@enigmaticdropbear]

I support, but don’t envy, you reviewing this nonsensical Trek travesty. Stay strong my friend and keep your helmet on. We here at Xanadoom have got your back.

[@OverlordDVD]

Thank you Enigmatic Drop Bear! I am NOT looking forward to this, but it needs must be done! Arrgh!

[@loufher284]

TNG had problems but they were really minor, I don't remember ANYONE trashing it until "THE MESSAGE" suddenly became important. I will STILL watch any TNG episode over any of this crap...

[@johnharrison6745]

The irony being that Section 31 organization was the MOST BASED part of Star-Fleet and the Federation.

[@LorisSawmill]

Darn it! If they want to do a new Star Trek, do the Mirror Universe from the Star Trek Enterprise 2-part Episode "In A Mirror, Darkly". Would like to see what Empress Sato does after she takes control of the USS Defiant, NCC 1764.

[@ZoeMalDoran]

that's the first third of the Star Trek Mirror Universe anthology book "Glass Empires" , with the second story following Spock's rise to power after Mirror Mirror though the equivalents of TOS season 3 and the TOS movies, and the third story follows Picard after Vash and Soong hire him to help them track down the mysterious Borg for help against the Klingon/Cardassian Alliance

[@llywyllngryffyn8053]

I remember loving STTNG when it came out. Hearing that 'people didn't like it' when it came out is news to me. It sounds like fake news to me.

[@NotTomS]

The decanon hammer can't hit soon enough...

[@TheAnarchist01]

It might be so hilariously bad that it's actually fun to watch and laugh at the stupidity. It's not star trek so it can't insult me.

[@DigimontamerB]

A project like this could work but only if: A) It was in better hands And B) if Trek was in a better and more true to itself, creatively

[@WilliamStarkeyIII-hd2cj]

Maybe there is a writer out there who can come up with something that will restore , revive , and resurrect the actual Spirit of the original Star Trek ? I thought Strange New Worlds would do it , but it is disappointing as well .

[@stonecoldprose]

"What Trek fans want is everything darker and more morally ambiguous." Said no Star Trek fan ever. DS9 is as dark as anyone ever wanted it to get. That's it. Full stop.

[@RPGmodsFan]

So, my boycott of Paramount continues. And until Star Trek is rebooted, I am now extending my boycott to include Skydance as well.

[@KiloOneThree]

6:32 This was my thought initially. That it was intended to be for TV, looked like a fail, then put together as a movie to test the water. Well, the water says cold!!

[@chadallen7474]

I love Star Trek!!! But I got burned my discovery. Haven’t seen anything since. But definitely not watching this crap. Hopefully something good will happen in the future.

[@GKHTS]

Why do the Vulcans ears stick out that way which isn't like in anything before this Kurtzman crap?

[@davidlandrum]

They don’t understand the difference between Romulans/Vulcans and elves.

[@SparkyMiller1524]

You are my hero, Great Lord Doomcock! I look forward to your review, knowing you'll report accurately!

[@sharkdentures3247]

I'm starting to get the vague impression that Section 31is NOT like Star Trek the Next Generation! Nah! I'm probably just imagining things.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

One of the many smart things about DS9s Section 31, was that they subjected Dr Bashir to a elaborated loyaltee test (suposedly the KGB had a similar test) before offer to recruit him. Thus making the incredible level of secrecy about them believable. Kurzmanns 31 on the other hand just hires the evil emperor from the parallel universe, and a klingon double agent, and aparently whatever cardboard character that desperately needed a excuse to apear on screen. No matter how obvious the security risks would be.

[@boblum3360]

I would only see it on $2 dvd from an asian mall.

[@jasondale2442]

People didn't 'hate' TNG when it debuted, it was just mediocre. A lot of that was due to Roddenberry's influence as he was 'behind the times' in the 80's and the episodes with his input to the story showed this. There were some good eps in the first 2 seasons, but compared to 3 and 4 especially, they just aren't as good. But that's not saying anything, since season 3 and 4 of TNG are some of the best TV ever made. Sooo many good episodes, iconic even. The middle seasons of TNG blows anything from the OST out of the water quality-wise, and only some of DS9's top episodes hold a candle. I can't believe the writers haven't figured out what to do with ST after all this time: MOVE ON. Just do what TNG did compared to OST: advance the timeline like 50-80 years, intro some new tech, new ships, new cast, new storylines, and go with it. Instead it's all rehash, remake, recast same characters, redo same plotlines, or worst of all: hamfistedly insert THE MESSAGE into everything in a transparent attempt at social relevancy or outrage clickbait. Alas, I was hopeful after 2009 Trek, but the sequel killed that hope. Real Star Trek died after DS9.

[@CharlieCarstensen-e1o]

Why don't they stop making shows for the calven time line and go back to the og time line

[@BobaDavis]

There's nuance missing from her statement - TNG was exactly like TOS but the issue was that the audience needed a more "mature" telling of people in space. Halfway through season 2 was when Roddenberry lost creative control and stronger writing came into play. I suppose the best way to summarize TNG was that it didn't become what everyone wanted, it became what everyone needed, because the writers themselves were actual lovers of science fiction and they knew how to communicate their interests to a general audience that previously had little to no interest in anything that was Sci-Fi.

[@thatpatrickguy3446]

I remember when TNG came out. I was in my teens. All my friends and family members who loved Trek were curious and hopeful. We didn't hate it. We missed the old characters, of course, but the new scripts were almost all well done, enjoyable, and made the characters likeable or at least understandable. With Kurtzman Drek, it's never an argument over which is the best, it's an argument over which is the least intolerable with "None of 'em." usually winning. Section 31 looks like an effort to drive their soaring success chart even higher. Sadly, nobody told Kurtzman he has the chart upside down.

[@andrewbaggley276]

This has all the hallmarks of the classic, "It's so bad, it's..." Well, I can't finish that with the archetypical ending, because it doesn't deserve it, but it can be stated that, "It's so bad, it's BAD." Kurtzman has concocted something that is condemned to burn in science fiction infamy, and as a signpost for future Star Trek writers to follow the dictum, "Don't do what Kurtzman did. EVER."